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Keke3737 - 17 Mar 2004 04:25 GMT I see from reading the posts most of the time that in general people are saying to stay away from the low carb bars, shakes, russell stover candies or the low carb ice creams etc. I have a question about the breads. I finally broke down and bought a loaf. Its not awful, its not great. It definetely fills ya up. Is the nutritional information given on the breads a lie as well? If it says its 8 net carbs or 6 should i be looking on label somewhere to see if it is actually more and if so what should i look for. It would be nice to have a piece of bread every now and then. Im not missing potatoes or pasta so much as I am pizza and bread from time to time. I was thinking even if i use a piece of bread toated for crust at least its something and fill it full of veggies. Karen
JC Der Koenig - 17 Mar 2004 04:27 GMT Bread is not low carb.
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> I see from reading the posts most of the time that in general people are saying > to stay away from the low carb bars, shakes, russell stover candies or the low [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > bread toated for crust at least its something and fill it full of veggies. > Karen Susan - 18 Mar 2004 03:14 GMT > Bread is not low carb. Prove to me that a slice of low carb bread "is not low carb"
Tell me how one slice of bread every once in a while doesn't fit into a low carb life style.
Jerk.
Susan
JC Der Koenig - 18 Mar 2004 03:18 GMT Anything can be rationalized. One spoonful of regular ice cream is low carb too. Too bad you can't stop with just the first hundred spoonfuls or so. That's how you got fat in the first place. Idiot.
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Becky P.
> > Bread is not low carb. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Susan DigitalVinyl - 18 Mar 2004 04:00 GMT >> Bread is not low carb. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >Susan ... a waste of moving your fingers. Just kill filter those types of people and they cease to exist. It is a beautiful thing. And this newsgroup is more enjoyable and just as informative without them.
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Susan - 18 Mar 2004 20:58 GMT > ... a waste of moving your fingers. Just kill filter those types of > people and they cease to exist. It is a beautiful thing. And this > newsgroup is more enjoyable and just as informative without them. Thanks. I know. I don't normally feed the trolls but I was really cranky, irritable and depressed and the sheer stupidity of the post (which gets repeated over and over ad infinitum) hit me wrong @ a weak moment.
How come trolls have so much free time on their hands?
Susan
DigitalVinyl - 18 Mar 2004 22:35 GMT >> ... a waste of moving your fingers. Just kill filter those types of >> people and they cease to exist. It is a beautiful thing. And this [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >How come trolls have so much free time on their hands? Because it takes a few words for a troll to incite and more words to actually particpate in an intelligent discussion. You see, we waste our time actually explaining and talking about things!
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revek - 19 Mar 2004 05:53 GMT DigitalVinyl burbled across the ether:
>>> ... a waste of moving your fingers. Just kill filter those types of >>> people and they cease to exist. It is a beautiful thing. And this [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > actually particpate in an intelligent discussion. You see, we waste > our time actually explaining and talking about things! I always thought it was because most trolls still live in their parents' basement, in between jobs, of course, because of the dot.com collapse, or maybe because the games software industry is hurting, or because they haven't graduated middleschool yet. <g>
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The Queen of Cans and Jars - 19 Mar 2004 15:29 GMT > DigitalVinyl burbled across the ether: > > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > or maybe because the games software industry is hurting, or because they > haven't graduated middleschool yet. <g> ya know, i know you're partly joking here but i still would like to point out that i'm friends with quite a few "trolls" and most of them are well educated professionals who troll either to blow off steam or because they simply enjoy yanking the chains of the gullible (there are other reasons, and other kinds of people who troll, but i'm not going to write an essay before my second cup of coffee). that most people assume them to be pimply losers living in their parents' basements is testament to the small-mindedness of most people.
revek - 19 Mar 2004 18:36 GMT The Queen of Cans and Jars burbled across the ether:
>> DigitalVinyl burbled across the ether: >>> [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > people assume them to be pimply losers living in their parents' > basements is testament to the small-mindedness of most people. Yes I was partially joking, but I was also basing my particular joke on one certain person who used to hang out in one of my newsgroups-- he wasn't a pimply middleschooler, he was almost thirty (but that's the only exaggeration), but he was living in his mother's basement because of the games industry troubles. I also believe he really honestly believed what he said--and had no intention of setting off flame wars every time he started a topic, which almost always revolved around women and sex and the control thereof in one way or another.
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DigitalVinyl - 19 Mar 2004 21:51 GMT The Queen of Cans and Jars burbled across the ether:
>> ya know, i know you're partly joking here but i still would like to >> point out that i'm friends with quite a few "trolls" and most of them >> are well educated professionals who troll either to blow off steam or >> because they simply enjoy yanking the chains of the gullible (there >> are other reasons, and other kinds of people who troll, but i'm not >> going to write an essay before my second cup of coffee). How unsurprising, troll's friends think of trolling as simple fun and recreational. Some people just don't get that "trolling" is a lack of character and maturity not education or knowledge.
>> that most >> people assume them to be pimply losers living in their parents' >> basements is testament to the small-mindedness of most people. I don't think of them as pimply faced and living in parent's basements.
>Yes I was partially joking, but I was also basing my particular joke on >one certain person who used to hang out in one of my newsgroups-- he [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >every time he started a topic, which almost always revolved around women >and sex and the control thereof in one way or another. DiGiTAL_ViNYL (no email) 350/316/Mar-315/200 Atkins since Jan 12, 2004 OWL-35 carbs/day (CCLL=?)
The Queen of Cans and Jars - 19 Mar 2004 23:04 GMT > The Queen of Cans and Jars burbled across the ether: > >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > How unsurprising, troll's friends think of trolling as simple fun and > recreational. i didn't say any such thing.
> >> that most > >> people assume them to be pimply losers living in their parents' > >> basements is testament to the small-mindedness of most people. > > I don't think of them as pimply faced and living in parent's > basements. that's nice, dear.
The Queen of Cans and Jars - 21 Mar 2004 19:50 GMT > The Queen of Cans and Jars burbled across the ether: > > [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > every time he started a topic, which almost always revolved around women > and sex and the control thereof in one way or another. i know *you're* smart enough to know there are a variety of trolls and a variety of reasons for trolling, and i could tell you were relating anecdotal material. i just felt like making a point :)
revek - 21 Mar 2004 21:30 GMT The Queen of Cans and Jars burbled across the ether:
> i know *you're* smart enough to know there are a variety of trolls > and a variety of reasons for trolling, and i could tell you were > relating anecdotal material. You could tell that? Cool!
> i just felt like making a point :) Oh, well, that's ok then. :)
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jamie - 18 Mar 2004 19:58 GMT >> Bread is not low carb. > > Prove to me that a slice of low carb bread "is not low carb" > > Tell me how one slice of bread every once in a while doesn't fit into > a low carb life style. JC seems to think that everyone should stay on Atkins Induction for life. My DANDR actually lists half a small baked potato in the sample Maintenance menu section, and lightly breaded chops. Oh, the horror!
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Crafting Mom - 18 Mar 2004 21:08 GMT >>> Bread is not low carb. >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >My DANDR actually lists half a small baked potato in the sample >Maintenance menu section, and lightly breaded chops. Oh, the horror! In which case, if there are stages where you can have a real half of a baked potato, there are also stages where one can have real bread, or a real spoonful of real ice cream. That's where I find the seeking of the fake foods absurd, because there are points and time in which foods are gradually added back into the diet, anyway, but in more reasonable quantities due to insulin balance and proper appetite control.
I still maintain that IMO real food is the best way to go, but your own experience may vary.
CM
DigitalVinyl - 18 Mar 2004 22:36 GMT >>> Bread is not low carb. >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >JC seems to think that everyone should stay on Atkins Induction for life. Let me just stress a phrase... "seems to think" not actually "thinks" I think that is very appropriate. :-)
>My DANDR actually lists half a small baked potato in the sample >Maintenance menu section, and lightly breaded chops. Oh, the horror! DiGiTAL_ViNYL (no email) 350/316/Mar-315/200 Atkins since Jan 12, 2004
JC Der Koenig - 18 Mar 2004 23:00 GMT Notice that this fat fool will only speak about me, and not directly to me.
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Becky P.
> >>> Bread is not low carb. > >> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > 350/316/Mar-315/200 > Atkins since Jan 12, 2004 freeborn - 17 Mar 2004 04:49 GMT > I see from reading the posts most of the time that in general people are saying > to stay away from the low carb bars, shakes, russell stover candies or the low [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > bread toated for crust at least its something and fill it full of veggies. > Karen Now that I'm on maintenance I eat low carb breads regularly. The sprouted grain Eziekiel brand breads are great for toast. I also use Orowheat low carb bread @ 6 grams/slice .. fun for grilled cheese sandwiches. I had a grilled corned beef and swiss cheese sandwich this evening.
Cheers !
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TavliGal - 17 Mar 2004 04:51 GMT >> I see from reading the posts most of the time that in general people >> are saying to stay away from the low carb bars, shakes, russell [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >> thinking even if i use a piece of bread toated for crust at least >> its something and fill it full of veggies. Karen Hi Keke, Whenever I go shopping now I always take my calculator so I can check for hidden carbs. Here's what you do to check for the actual carb counts: Total Fat grams x 9 plus total protein grams x 4 = Calories from fat and protein. Now subtract calories from fat and protein from the Total Calories and you're left with Calories from Total Carbs. Now divide Total Carbs calories by 4 and you're left with the useable carb grams or net carbs.
There is also a couple of hidden carb calculators on the net where you can plug in the values and it will give you the carb amounts. You'll be surprised how many products lie. I've seen a few "low carb" breads out there that have fudged their labels. http://www.lowcarb.ca/low-carb-tools/hidden_carbs.html
Best of luck on your weight loss. Monica
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PJx - 17 Mar 2004 12:57 GMT >I see from reading the posts most of the time that in general people are saying >to stay away from the low carb bars, shakes, russell stover candies or the low [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >bread toated for crust at least its something and fill it full of veggies. >Karen I limit myself to one slice per day and keep the loaf in the freezer. I also get the brand with 2 grams of soy protein for health reasons and also am proud of the whole wheat content.
Pj
Jenny - 17 Mar 2004 13:46 GMT Karen,
The best attitude to take to all the new "low carb" foods on the market is High Suspicion. This burst of products is about manufacturers cashing in, not about them supporting your diet goals.
Beyond that, even before low carb became a big market, "Diet" Bread has a long history of mislabeling. Often they deduct the fiber from the total carbs so that you mentally deduct it again and think it is much lower carb than it is. Sometimes they give you nutritional info per serving with a serving size that is 1/2 of what you'd eat--i.e. a slice. There is no penalty but a slap on the wrist if they do get caught, but mostly they don't.
Remember that the ingredients on the label in the U.S. must be listed in order of their percentage (by weight) of the product. If the first ingredient is wheat flour, then you know the bread has a lot of it.
Until you have gotten your weight loss moving at a steady clip and can tell if a food is slowing you down or not, it is safest to stick with the basics: meat, cheese (in moderation), veggies and if you need bread, Wasas or fiber crackers which have been use-tested by successful low carb dieters for many years.
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> I see from reading the posts most of the time that in general people are saying > to stay away from the low carb bars, shakes, russell stover candies or the low [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > bread toated for crust at least its something and fill it full of veggies. > Karen Dawn Taylor - 17 Mar 2004 17:46 GMT >I see from reading the posts most of the time that in general people are saying >to stay away from the low carb bars, shakes, russell stover candies or the low >carb ice creams etc. I have a question about the breads. I'd say it all depends on what sort of low-carb plan you're following and what your reasons are for eating low-carb -- those should be your determining factors as to whether you buy the stuff.
If you're on Atkins Induction level ... low-carb bread is definitely out. If you're on South Beach, I dunno -- I don't know anything about South Beach. But if you're doing SB then you should have the SB book and it should address the issue of breads.
Also, what was your diet like before you went to low-carb? Did you eat a lot of sandwiches? Did you feel like you relied on bread a lot in your daily meals? If so, you may want to stay the hell away fom bread until you've adapted to a new way of eating, then maybe add a piece of toast or a half sandwich back in here and there -- but try going without for a few months first and see if you actually *want* the bread at that point. You may be surprised to find you don't need it.
Dawn
DigitalVinyl - 17 Mar 2004 20:05 GMT >I see from reading the posts most of the time that in general people are saying >to stay away from the low carb bars, shakes, russell stover candies or the low [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >net carbs or 6 should i be looking on label somewhere to see if it is actually >more and if so what should i look for. For most U.S. products subtract fiber from total carbs and that's your net. Sugar alcohols(carbs/glucose) gets subtracted for no good reason other than to karket Atkins Indulgence bars.
You can verify a brand's label by multiplying (TOTAL CARB - FIBER) * 4 PROTEIN * 4 TOTAL FAT * 9 and adding them up. You should come close to the total calories. If you are more than 5 calories off, then either the calorie count is high (i.e. for 500 calories the error margin is greater) or something doesn't add up. FYI Other countries don't include fiber as part of the TOTAL CARB count.
>It would be nice to have a piece of >bread every now and then. Im not missing potatoes or pasta so much as I am >pizza and bread from time to time. I was thinking even if i use a piece of >bread toated for crust at least its something and fill it full of veggies. Or do poor man's pizza--toamto sauce and mozzareli on a slice of toast. We did that as kid's with white bread or english muffins.
Sliced Breads don't use sugar alcohols (which cause digestive problems and produce glucose in the blood, despite "net carb" marketing tricks). At least I have come across a sliced bread that did yet. Muffins and more dessert-y stuff, yes! Also none of the bread I looked at had nutrasweet or splenda, so no artificial sweetners. Most of the LC have high fiber.
My biggest problem is the smell and texture of LC breads. I tried Janet's Rye(3g) and the smell was odd and the outside crust got very chewy. I just tried Country Kitchen Rye(4g) and the smell out of the bag is, well, gross. Very strong chemical smell, like nail polish remover or something you shouldn't eat. However, Arnold's Carb Counting MultiGrain(6g) smells like BREAD!! All of them taste fine toasted, although when toasting Janet's that odd smell would waft through the kitchen. Country Kitchen is the worst smelling I've tried. I was thinking of not keeping it, but it does taste okay toasted--which is what I usually do with Rye.
>Karen DiGiTAL_ViNYL (no email) 350/316/Mar-315/200 Atkins since Jan 12, 2004
PictrGirl - 18 Mar 2004 00:49 GMT >Subject: low carb breads >From: keke3737@aol.com (Keke3737)
> It would be nice to have a piece of >bread every now and then. Im not missing potatoes or pasta so much as I am >pizza and bread from time to time. For pizza I highly recommend the new Mission Low Carb "Soft Taco Size" Tortillas. They make great crusts! It's a a good sized portion and only 7 carbs! I have one a couple times a week and am losing a steady 2 pounds per week after 2 months on Atkins!
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