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Weight Loss Forum / Low Carb / March 2004Low Carb MLM - Is this for real?
Greetings, I am on Atkins and have lost about 35 pounds (down to 227 at 5'9"). A friend just emailed me about a new "great opportunity" since he knew I was into low carb big time (trying to be "littler" time). Anyway, the pitch is that this network marketing company is going to launch in April, and is using web based "mirror" sites to get people in the line-up before it costs. I went in and poked around. The "charter" product appears to be a starch blocker (and I have seen your page on starch blockers, Jenny) with a lot of promises about other products offered down the road. I went ahead and signed up (free, no obligation until the official launch, took about 15 seconds) and poked around to see how the system will look, and it is pretty easy to follow and see how it will work (although I have not the slightest idea what a 3 x 8 matrix is). Anyway, if you want to check out the site, here it is: http://www.lowcarbsuperbooster.com/mlm/spon.aspx?spon=locarbprofits I have not decided yet if I will sign up and hand over my credit card once they launch (and frankly I would not be interested at all if I was not a serious low carb fan), but would like to hear from some of you about this "oppportunity." Is this starch blocker product worth what they will want for it? Do you think they will deliver the goods on more low carb products? Are there other low carb business opportunities out there? I would love to make money with low carb, but I would like some feedback before I get hooked. Malcolm Looks like you've gone for this type of thing in the past: http://tinyurl.com/2mk77 And no previous posts to alt.support.diet.low-carb. Smells like lunch meat to me. Mike > Greetings, I am on Atkins and have lost about 35 pounds (down to 227 > at 5'9"). A friend just emailed me about a new "great opportunity" [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Malcolm and spam Teeb (wondering if Spam is low carb enough...) > Greetings, I am on Atkins and have lost about 35 pounds (down to 227 > at 5'9"). A friend just emailed me about a new "great opportunity" [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > follow and see how it will work (although I have not the slightest > idea what a 3 x 8 matrix is). >Greetings, I am on Atkins Yeah, right. Hell, no, that sh.t doesn't work. MLMers are the lowest of pond scum. They'll lie, cheat, steal, lie some more, cheat some more, and steal some more to make a buck. I've dealt with their shenanigans online for years and rooted out those who thought they were the best. I hope you die a slow and painful online death and may you never be in another search engine as long as you live. Amen, Brother Ben. Caught a spammer, killed a hen. -- Jean M. New food of the week: Ice water. Lots of it. (The jalapeño peppers are very hot!) Do away with flipfloping to e-mail. >MLMers are the lowest >of pond scum. They'll lie, cheat, steal, lie some more, cheat some >more, and steal some more to make a buck. There are indeed many MLM'ers that have done exactly that. But you'd best not buy anything from IBM, Excel, MCI, or about half of the Fortune 1000, because MLM is becoming the dominant method of sales in certain categories. You are going to find it increasingly difficult to buy *anything* if you refuse to deal with companies that use MLM. The ethics problems with MLMs are not unique to that business. Howard@FreshCoffee.biz http://www.freshcoffee.biz >>MLMers are the lowest >>of pond scum. They'll lie, cheat, steal, lie some more, cheat some [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >certain categories. You are going to find it increasingly difficult to >buy *anything* if you refuse to deal with companies that use MLM. That doesn't negate anything I typed. MLMers are the scum of the earth. Especially online. -- Jean M. New food of the week: Ice water. Lots of it. (The jalapeño peppers are very hot!) Do away with flipfloping to e-mail. >>>MLMers are the lowest >>>of pond scum. They'll lie, cheat, steal, lie some more, cheat some [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > That doesn't negate anything I typed. MLMers are the scum of the > earth. Especially online. offline ones are just as bad. i >>MLMers are the lowest >>of pond scum. They'll lie, cheat, steal, lie some more, cheat some >>more, and steal some more to make a buck. True. Only worthless scum becomes and continues in MLM. If your friend is involved in MM, drop that friend. You cannot be a successful or even ongoing MLMer if you do not lie and cheat all the time. > There are indeed many MLM'ers that have done exactly that. But you'd > best not buy anything from IBM, I am not aware of any MLM sales that IBMdoes. >Excel, MCI, or about half of the MCI is a fraudulent company to the core. They cheated me on some LD rates that they fraudulently promised me, not once but TWICE. Scum, scum, scum. > Fortune 1000, because MLM is becoming the dominant method of sales in > certain categories. You are going to find it increasingly difficult to > buy *anything* if you refuse to deal with companies that use MLM. You gotta be kidding me. > The ethics problems with MLMs are not unique to that business. No, but what is relevant is that MLMers are scum and only the scummy MLMers survive in the biz. i > Howard@FreshCoffee.biz > http://www.freshcoffee.biz Damn, I'm stupid!! What does MLM stand for??? -- AmyB LC since 12/01/03 238/211/165 > >Greetings, I am on Atkins > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Do away with flipfloping to e-mail. > Damn, I'm stupid!! What does MLM stand for??? Multi-Level-Marketing. http://skepdic.com/mlm.html -- revek Of all my relations I like sex the best, and Eric the least. - Nine Princes in Amber, by Roger Zelazny Duh, thanks. You'd think I could figure that one out. Like Amway, eh? -- AmyB LC since 12/01/03 238/211/165 > > Damn, I'm stupid!! What does MLM stand for??? > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Of all my relations I like sex the best, and Eric the least. - Nine > Princes in Amber, by Roger Zelazny >Damn, I'm stupid!! What does MLM stand for??? Multi-level marketing. It's another word for "Ponzi scam" or "pyramid scheme." Dawn >Multi-level marketing. > >It's another word for "Ponzi scam" or "pyramid scheme." Wrong, as are the other blanket condemnations of MLM. Howard@FreshCoffee.biz http://www.freshcoffee.biz >>Multi-level marketing. >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >Howard@FreshCoffee.biz >http://www.freshcoffee.biz LOL. Spoken like a true MLMer. How's that coffeemarketersdotnet going? -- Jean M. New food of the week: Ice water. Lots of it. (The jalapeño peppers are very hot!) Do away with flipfloping to e-mail. >>Multi-level marketing. >> >>It's another word for "Ponzi scam" or "pyramid scheme." > >Wrong, as are the other blanket condemnations of MLM. Sorry. MLM is a pyramid scheme, no matter how you pretty it up. The folks at the very top make all the money, the folks in the middle work like dogs to recruit the ignorant to work under _them_ so they can make money, too, and the folks at the bottom just work like dogs for no payoff. Multi-level marketing is about recruiting people to work under you selling Product X, so that you can skim profit off of their efforts. It's not about the product being sold, it's not about employee morale (beyond doing what it takes to keep suckers on the hook) ... it's about recruiting a constant stream of clueless idiots, desperate enough to open up their own wallets to buy into the promise of untold wealth. A promise that never comes. Amway is an MLM scam. Herbalife is an MLM scam. Really, that's all you need to know to understand MLM. Dawn >Sorry. MLM is a pyramid scheme, no matter how you pretty it up. The >folks at the very top make all the money, the folks in the middle work >like dogs to recruit the ignorant to work under _them_ so they can >make money, too, and the folks at the bottom just work like dogs for >no payoff. MLM is not equal to pyramid scheme. There really is a difference, which can be easily discovered by anyone with sufficient intelligence. Blanket condemnations prove nothing. As pointed out, a substantial percentage of Fortune 1000 corporations use or have affiliations with MLM systems. This is because for some products, MLM is the most effective way to market. Howard@FreshCoffee.biz http://www.freshcoffee.biz >MLM is a pyramid scheme, no matter how you pretty it up. *All* corporations are run by corrupt lowlifes to exploit the masses. Example: Enron. QED Right? That, for the irony-impaired, is an example of a blanket condemnation which is not true. Similar to the logic used to the above example of a blanket condemnation of MLM. I, too, know of MLM companies that violated the law, and got shut down. I know of legitimate MLM companies that have had some members get carried away with things they should not do, and lose their positions as a result. I also know how to spot them. For those willing to accept a clue: The most important question to ask about an MLM is, "would I personally buy that product at the offerred price, with no bizop attached?" If the answer is, "No," then the MLM will fail, guaranteed. If the answer is, "Yes," then there is at least a chance that the MLM will succeed long-term. MLM-oriented companies such as Avon, Shaklee, Mary Kay, and others have found enough actual customers to run a profitable business for several years. Back to the original post, however -- Low-carb MLM. Let's apply the above rule: I can't imagine buying any low-carb product via MLM, so it flunks that most important question. For me, low-carb simply means eating real food, and "Low carb junk food" is still 'junk'. That pretty much keeps me clear of potions & pills in general. -- Howard@FreshCoffee.biz http://www.freshcoffee.biz Re: Low Carb MLM - Is this for real? No. >Greetings, I am on Atkins and have lost about 35 pounds (down to 227 >at 5'9"). A friend just emailed me about a new "great opportunity" Yeah, right, and I have some Southern New Mexico beachfront property for you to buy; no need to even look at it first. Low carb is too simple to sell. Quit eating bread, sugar, and potatoes, and you're 90% of the way there. How the Hell do you sell that with MLM? The most important question to ask about any MLM is "would I buy that product at the retail price without the bizop?" If the answer is "No," then it doesn't matter what the bizop looks like, because it is a guaranteed loser. If you won't buy it without the bizop, neither will anyone else. Then, when you run out of bizop suckers, the bizop collapses under its own weight. Just for the record, starch blockers do not actually work, and there is a good chance your bizop will be shut down forcibly by the feds. Howard@FreshCoffee.biz http://www.freshcoffee.biz |
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