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Paper - 17 Mar 2004 16:30 GMT on the weekend. Omigod - the longer I'm at this, the longer I wonder if I will ever acquire a working brain that doesn't respond to stress with an all-out binge. I disgust myself while I'm bingeing, but it doesn't stop me. I feel like crap when I'm finished - that doesn't stop me.
Back on the wagon.
Paper
Ignoramus5568 - 17 Mar 2004 16:49 GMT > on the weekend. Omigod - the longer I'm at this, the longer I wonder > if I will ever acquire a working brain that doesn't respond to stress > with an all-out binge. I disgust myself while I'm bingeing, but it > doesn't stop me. I feel like crap when I'm finished - that doesn't > stop me. have you sought medical help, specifically, have you seen an endocrinologist. you are pretty sick if you binge like this.
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JC Der Koenig - 17 Mar 2004 16:50 GMT Try running away from your problems.
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Becky P.
> on the weekend. Omigod - the longer I'm at this, the longer I wonder > if I will ever acquire a working brain that doesn't respond to stress [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Paper katie k - 17 Mar 2004 20:22 GMT > Try running away from your problems. Well at least a couple of miles a day...
katie k.
Luna - 17 Mar 2004 17:13 GMT > on the weekend. Omigod - the longer I'm at this, the longer I wonder > if I will ever acquire a working brain that doesn't respond to stress [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Paper Hey. You know what? Stress happens. We all have different ways of dealing with it. Eating is an unhealthy way of dealing with it that provides temporary relief but in the long term just adds to more stress. You know this. Please, the next time you are that stressed out, try something else. You know yourself better than I do, but here are some suggestions based on what works for me in dealing with urges to overeat, urges to smoke, or when I'm about to lose my temper:
First, when you feel that urge to binge, stand up if you're sitting, stop moving if you're walking, and close your eyes. Breathe in through your nose, and out through your mouth, slowly. Count to 10 with each inhale and exhale. Or say some sort of mantra like "I'm not hungry" on the inhale, and "I don't need to eat" on the exhale. Sometimes I up it a notch by slowly tensing up all muscles on the inhale and slowly relaxing them on the exhale. If you do not feel relaxed and in control after a few minutes of this, try getting out of the house, away from the food, and go for a walk. Or a jog if you're in the shape for that. Or, (this is what I do when I want a cigarette) do some pushups. I can't actually do many on the floor yet, so I do them against a wall. This may or may not work for you, but for me it releases endorphins which chemically make me feel better, and it's good for me which psychologically makes me feel better.
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Paper - 17 Mar 2004 19:48 GMT >First, when you feel that urge to binge, stand up if you're sitting, stop >moving if you're walking, and close your eyes. Breathe in through your [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >for me it releases endorphins which chemically make me feel better, and >it's good for me which psychologically makes me feel better. Thanks for the suggestions. I know you're right. The only time I let stress get the best of me is when I'm working (weekends) and not on my regular exercise and meditation schedule. The gym opens too late for me to go, but there's no reason why I can't get up early and do an extra long and fast walk with the dog. I can't do pushups yet either, but I CAN do them if I use the stability ball, or as you say - against the wall. It seems so easy when my brain is functioning properly...LOL
Paper
If it's not one thing - it's your mother. High Weight 308/225-Atkins Start/221.5/150
JC Der Koenig - 17 Mar 2004 20:05 GMT Let's hear about all the stress.
Do you live in a combat zone?
Are you dying from cancer?
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Becky P.
> >First, when you feel that urge to binge, stand up if you're sitting, stop > >moving if you're walking, and close your eyes. Breathe in through your [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > If it's not one thing - it's your mother. > High Weight 308/225-Atkins Start/221.5/150 Marsha - 18 Mar 2004 01:54 GMT > Let's hear about all the stress. > > Do you live in a combat zone? > > Are you dying from cancer? I can't imagine much stress worse than being a teacher these days.
Marsha/Ohio
JC Der Koenig - 18 Mar 2004 02:30 GMT > > Let's hear about all the stress. > > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > I can't imagine much stress worse than being a teacher these > days. That's what a lot of teachers say, but it's all relative. I've been in much more stressful situations with the military, so I believe that many teachers whine a lot and make a mountain out of a molehill. The great part is that I tell some of these teachers my unfettered thoughts, adding to their "stress". Life is good.
Marsha - 18 Mar 2004 02:51 GMT >>>Let's hear about all the stress. >>> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > tell some of these teachers my unfettered thoughts, adding to their > "stress". Life is good. Retracting my statement. Now that I think about it, your examples are definitely worse. Thanks for that perspective.
Marsha/Ohio (thought for the day - someone is always worse off than you)
katie k - 18 Mar 2004 14:36 GMT I've been in much
> more stressful situations with the military, Stories, PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!
katie k
JC Der Koenig - 18 Mar 2004 14:45 GMT > I've been in much > > more stressful situations with the military, > > Stories, PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!! You mean like the time we were setting up a perimeter defense for an airbase in Riyadh, when SCUDS started coming in and we weren't sure if they contained chemical agents or not?
katie k - 18 Mar 2004 19:45 GMT nahhh, something much more dramatic...
JC Der Koenig - 18 Mar 2004 20:08 GMT You only don't think it was dramatic because you weren't there.
> nahhh, something much more dramatic... bidkev - 18 Mar 2004 03:16 GMT >> Let's hear about all the stress. >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > I can't imagine much stress worse than being a teacher these > days. Foster carer?
Angie - 18 Mar 2004 04:55 GMT i have stress for u. how about being the only one in a realationship that has income coming in and worry about if rent is going to get paid. or if you will have money to buy food after bills and rent are paid. how about working with the public all day long and getting told by customers for no reason that if they new they had to look at ur face that morning they wouldn't have bothered coming to ur store and then turning around and calling u a piece of sh**t becuase u appoligized for a mistake that another employee made and the day the mistake was made u weren't even working. how about living in a place that is infested with bugs and disgusting people and having no choice but to live there because u don't make enough money or ur b/f is on social assistance and well lets just say my list goes on and on....... for those of us who fall off the wagon because we are under stress doen't make us terrible people. and if our stress doesn't add up to someone else's big deal. we all have days that we just don't care if we eat right and if us eating all the crapy food that is in our house apartment or if we happen to make a special trip to the store to get what ever it is we want ten oh well. At least we get back on track and try again. I was told by someone on another board once that we haven't given up or failed if we haven't quit......... Which I think is darn good advice.
angie
> > Let's hear about all the stress. > > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Marsha/Ohio JC Der Koenig - 18 Mar 2004 05:29 GMT Should I call the waaahhhhmbulance for you?
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Becky P.
> i have stress for u. > how about being the only one in a realationship that has income coming in [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > > > Marsha/Ohio TavliGal - 18 Mar 2004 06:55 GMT >> i have stress for u. >> how about being the only one in a realationship that has income [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >> don't make enough money or ur b/f is on social assistance and well >> lets just say my list goes on and on....... Sounds like losing the boyfriend would make your life easier. Monica
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katie k - 18 Mar 2004 14:38 GMT > i have stress for u. > how about being the only one in a realationship that has income coming in [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > money or ur b/f is on social assistance and well lets just say my list goes > on an on....... how about prayer?
katie k
Lorelei - 18 Mar 2004 18:02 GMT > Let's hear about all the stress. > > Do you live in a combat zone? > > Are you dying from cancer? My husband is dying from cancer so then I can claim stress..?? we all handle things differently. To look at me you would think that I am as cool as a cucumber (so people who "know" me say) but I am in a constant state of stress and you'd only know it if you felt my shoulders. Lori
JC Der Koenig - 18 Mar 2004 19:19 GMT > > Let's hear about all the stress. > > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > state of stress and you'd only know it if you felt my shoulders. > Lori I believe you're under a lot of real stress of the worst kind, but I wasn't writing about you specifically.
Sleepyman - 18 Mar 2004 21:41 GMT >Let's hear about all the stress. > >Do you live in a combat zone? > >Are you dying from cancer? Ya know, I may be an a.shole, but you are just petty, mean, and childish.
Your Pal,
Sleepy
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JC Der Koenig - 18 Mar 2004 21:51 GMT > >Let's hear about all the stress. > > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Ya know, I may be an a.shole, but you are just petty, mean, and > childish. Yes, let's not talk about reality. That would be petty, mean, and childish.
bidkev - 18 Mar 2004 23:36 GMT >>> Let's hear about all the stress. >>> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Yes, let's not talk about reality. That would be petty, mean, and > childish. Why? When *I* talk about reality it isn't petty mean and childish. Perhaps that's all your reality/life consists off?
You're a real sad f.ck.
Did the diddum widdums get frightened in Riyadh and developed anger issues? You should've been helping fetch the Kurds down from the mountains in the North in 91. Perhaps you would have learned some compassion for others, you arrogant, ignorant, smug, self-opinionated turd.
BTW, can't you tell that I just *love* your approach to enthusing others?
JC Der Koenig - 19 Mar 2004 00:12 GMT And you think it's my problem that you don't like the way I present reality?
 Signature Most of us probably aren't in danger of being overly-sensitive Brits. Just bi-kev.
> >>> Let's hear about all the stress. > >>> [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > BTW, can't you tell that I just *love* your approach to enthusing > others? bidkev - 19 Mar 2004 01:50 GMT > And you think it's my problem that you don't like the way I present > reality? *Your* reality........twisted.
>Most of us probably aren't in danger of being overly-sensitive Brits. Australian citizen actually, and yes, I am sensitive........to bullies such as yourself.
>Just bi-kev. Totally heterosexual. Got a secret?
Most of us probably aren't in danger of being arrogant, smug, bullying bastards.
>>>>> Let's hear about all the stress. >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] >> BTW, can't you tell that I just *love* your approach to enthusing >> others? JC Der Koenig - 19 Mar 2004 02:12 GMT If you're totally heterosexual, why do you so obviously have a hard-on for me?
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> > And you think it's my problem that you don't like the way I present > > reality? [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > >> BTW, can't you tell that I just *love* your approach to enthusing > >> others? bidkev - 19 Mar 2004 07:53 GMT > If you're totally heterosexual, why do you so obviously have a > hard-on for me? You should be so lucky.
Most of us probably aren't in danger of attempting to demonstrate our manhood through the bullying of others.
>>> And you think it's my problem that you don't like the way I present >>> reality? [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] >>>> BTW, can't you tell that I just *love* your approach to enthusing >>>> others? Sleepyman - 19 Mar 2004 07:08 GMT >> Ya know, I may be an a.shole, but you are just petty, mean, and >> childish. > >Yes, let's not talk about reality. That would be petty, mean, and childish. You must have a very small penis.
Your Pal,
Sleepy
--------------------------------- The True Axis of Evil Bush - Cheney - Ashcroft - Rumsfeld ---------------------------------
bidkev - 19 Mar 2004 07:54 GMT >>> Ya know, I may be an a.shole, but you are just petty, mean, and >>> childish. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> > You must have a very small penis. Double whammy!! He probably couldn't see it from above, even if it was a big one.
JC Der Koenig - 19 Mar 2004 12:22 GMT Why are you so interested in my penis? That's just creepy, sleepy.
> >> Ya know, I may be an a.shole, but you are just petty, mean, and > >> childish. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Bush - Cheney - Ashcroft - Rumsfeld > --------------------------------- Jean B. - 17 Mar 2004 17:18 GMT > on the weekend. Omigod - the longer I'm at this, the longer I wonder > if I will ever acquire a working brain that doesn't respond to stress [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Paper How long have you been on this WOE? How long do you go between binges? Just wondering whether you even go long enough so you get to the point where you have more control.
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Paper - 17 Mar 2004 19:56 GMT >How long have you been on this WOE? How long do you go between >binges? Just wondering whether you even go long enough so you get >to the point where you have more control. Oh...my dear. I have been on and off for the last 25 years. The last two years have been a constant daily workout at getting myself into some sort of control. A lot of inner work, a lot of therapy and a realization that dropping the dose of my anti-depressant was probably not a smart thing to do. I'm back to my doctor next week to talk about that.
You know what? I look so normal...LOL
Paper
If it's not one thing - it's your mother. High Weight 308/225-Atkins Start/221.5/150
Jean B. - 18 Mar 2004 03:17 GMT > >How long have you been on this WOE? How long do you go between > >binges? Just wondering whether you even go long enough so you get [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > You know what? I look so normal...LOL Okayyyyyyyyyyyyy, so forget my musing....
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John V - 17 Mar 2004 18:51 GMT I woke up to the realization this morning that I can continue with my WOE and wrap my head around what that means, or I can become just another of those millions who made a new year's resolution and deserted it sometime within the first 90 days of the year. I have lost close to 30 pounds and have no intention of going back. When you feel like crap, remember where you were and look ahead again to where you want to be. In a year, you will be one of the success stories of this newsgroup, even as I damn well intend to be.
Keep at it! Back on the wagon.
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> on the weekend. Omigod - the longer I'm at this, the longer I wonder > if I will ever acquire a working brain that doesn't respond to stress [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Paper Paper - 17 Mar 2004 19:58 GMT >I woke up to the realization this morning that I can continue with my WOE >and wrap my head around what that means, or I can become just another of [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >be one of the success stories of this newsgroup, even as I damn well intend >to be. Thanks. You're too right. I haven't given up nor do I ever intend to. This last binge was hopefully just that - the LAST binge.
Paper
If it's not one thing - it's your mother. High Weight 308/225-Atkins Start/221.5/150
JC Der Koenig - 17 Mar 2004 20:14 GMT You don't look normal at 225 pounds.
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Becky P.
> >I woke up to the realization this morning that I can continue with my WOE > >and wrap my head around what that means, or I can become just another of [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > If it's not one thing - it's your mother. > High Weight 308/225-Atkins Start/221.5/150 DigitalVinyl - 17 Mar 2004 20:20 GMT >on the weekend. Omigod - the longer I'm at this, the longer I wonder >if I will ever acquire a working brain that doesn't respond to stress [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Paper Well some people are overweight, not because they have some genetic predispostion to being obese but because it is a psychological reflex to other issues. Sometimes it is that other issue must be tackled too to make a permanent change. I live with a lot of family stresses and have seen myself eating shortly after a phone call from family. Sometimes you have to ask yourself what have you really done to reduce stress in the future. We often do sh.t that is of no consequence, doesn't help or makes things worse meanwhile telling ourselves there is nothing we can do. And then we eat for no good reason.
You should consider creating a more binge-friendly atmosphere. Get rid of anything that isn't low carb by its very nature (out goes cans of beans, corn, sugar, flour, frozen meals, potatoes, all sweetened drinks.) Stock up on low-carb binge food, pork rinds, dill pickles, cheese, deli meats, stuff that is ready to eat. If you suffer a binge again, you'll be able to eat LC things and hopefully get past it. I know in my first two weeks I had six 3000+ calorie days. I let myself eat, just kept it to low/zero carb fare. I ran through cravings for more and more but stuck to LC. I overate, but it got me past bad days and didn't cripple my weight loss. Once i got past those bad days my cravings went away and those hungry-for-anything days have only occur 2-3 times in the last 7 weeks. Again, I overate for the day but stuff to more low/zero carb fare. I hope my body learns it isn't going to get whatever the hell it wanted eventually.
Good Luck
DiGiTAL_ViNYL (no email) 350/316/Mar-315/200 Atkins since Jan 12, 2004
katie k - 18 Mar 2004 14:40 GMT > >on the weekend. Omigod - the longer I'm at this, the longer I wonder > >if I will ever acquire a working brain that doesn't respond to stress [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > predispostion to being obese but because it is a psychological reflex > to other issues. nope... the are overweight because they eat more than they need to.
katie k
Dawn Taylor - 17 Mar 2004 21:01 GMT On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 10:30:48 -0500, Paper <papergrrl8112CARBS@hotmail.com> announced in front of God and everybody:
>on the weekend. Omigod - the longer I'm at this, the longer I wonder >if I will ever acquire a working brain that doesn't respond to stress [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Back on the wagon. It may take awhile, and practice, and patience, to overcome that reaction to stress. But it can be done.
For a very, very long time, binging was my reaction to both stress and depression. I went through periods of bulemia and compulsive overeating when I was younger.Therapy helped -- but what really tdid the trick was my systematically training myself to just *not* do that when I was stressed.
Whether it involved reading a book or taking a hot bath or shutting myself in my bedroom and screaming into a pillow or just rocking back and forth and breathing deeply (in the nose ... out the mouth ... in the nose ... out the mouth ...) I made myself do anything BUT eat a half a cake or a bag of chips or a dozen cookies to make myself feel better. It was hard but, eventually, it worked.
Today, I rarely think about binging in response to stress. Almost never. I conditioned myself to go in other directions to ease my stress. But it took some dedication and hard work -- it is, however, work well worth doing for your own health and self-esteem.
Good luck.
Dawn
jpatti - 18 Mar 2004 20:43 GMT > For a very, very long time, binging was my reaction to both stress and > depression. I went through periods of bulemia and compulsive [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Good luck. I think the important bit is finding replacement behaviors that work. My daughter didn't binge, but she was a cutter. Too many of her therapists focused on the cutting, as if that were the issue, rather than on teaching her alternative self-soothing behavior. Just *stopping* doing something doesn't work if you don't have something to replace it with.
For depression, I find certain types of novels make me feel good... ones where the people behave heroically. Curling up in bed with a Heinlein novel usually fixes a short-acting depression - it works way better than pizza for me.
My issues have more to do with rewards than with self-soothing. My first month sticking to low-carb and regular exercise, I rewarded myself with an appointment with a massage therapist. Now *that* is a reward that beats the heck out of an ice cream sundae!
On a more daily basis, I'll reward myself for doing everything on my daily "to do" list by renting a movie or something. Anything fun I want to do and have been postponing.
I think it's important to find non-food-based ways to make yourself feel good. Food is definetly one of the pleasures of my life as opposed to strictly fuel, but if it's what makes me feel better when I have a shitty day or what I use to reward myself, it gets all out-of-proportion.
Luna - 18 Mar 2004 21:01 GMT > For depression, I find certain types of novels make me feel good... > ones where the people behave heroically. Curling up in bed with a > Heinlein novel usually fixes a short-acting depression - it works way > better than pizza for me. Hey, I used to be a Heinlein fan too. Terry Pratchett works even better.
:o)
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jpatti - 18 Mar 2004 23:14 GMT > Hey, I used to be a Heinlein fan too. Terry Pratchett works even better. > :o) I *adore* Pratchett... he's a blast. His books are like carbs, just make you crave more of them. He's incredibly fun.
But Heinlein works to fix *depression* for me... when the world is hopelessly gloomy, the heroic things makes me feel better about the world.
I suppose if I were too damned happy, I could read Vonnegut for that. ;)
Paper - 19 Mar 2004 11:33 GMT <snip>
>I think the important bit is finding replacement behaviors that work. Big thanks to you and to EVERYONE who responded to this. You all have some very good advice and I thank you for it.
Paper
Angie - 18 Mar 2004 01:00 GMT i know what you mean i did the same this weekend too. i ate so much at one point that i felt like i was going to be sick to my stomach but i still ate. why do we do that to ourselfs. I know exactly what you mean about how u feel after wards and it still doen't make u want to stop. hope things look up for you im back on track yet again. does this ever get any easier
ange
> on the weekend. Omigod - the longer I'm at this, the longer I wonder > if I will ever acquire a working brain that doesn't respond to stress [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Paper
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