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Paper - 17 Mar 2004 16:30 GMT
on the weekend. Omigod - the longer I'm at this, the longer I wonder
if I will ever acquire a working brain that doesn't respond to stress
with an all-out binge. I disgust myself while I'm bingeing, but it
doesn't stop me. I feel like crap when I'm finished - that doesn't
stop me.

Back on the wagon.

Paper
Ignoramus5568 - 17 Mar 2004 16:49 GMT
> on the weekend. Omigod - the longer I'm at this, the longer I wonder
> if I will ever acquire a working brain that doesn't respond to stress
> with an all-out binge. I disgust myself while I'm bingeing, but it
> doesn't stop me. I feel like crap when I'm finished - that doesn't
> stop me.

have you sought medical help, specifically, have you seen an
endocrinologist. you are pretty sick if you binge like this.

i
JC Der Koenig - 17 Mar 2004 16:50 GMT
Try running away from your problems.

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Most of us probably aren't in danger of eating too little. :)

Becky P.

> on the weekend. Omigod - the longer I'm at this, the longer I wonder
> if I will ever acquire a working brain that doesn't respond to stress
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>
> Paper
katie k - 17 Mar 2004 20:22 GMT
> Try running away from your problems.

Well at least a couple of miles a day...

katie k.
Luna - 17 Mar 2004 17:13 GMT
> on the weekend. Omigod - the longer I'm at this, the longer I wonder
> if I will ever acquire a working brain that doesn't respond to stress
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>
> Paper

Hey. You know what?  Stress happens.  We all have different ways of dealing
with it.  Eating is an unhealthy way of dealing with it that provides
temporary relief but in the long term just adds to more stress.  You know
this.  Please, the next time you are that stressed out, try something else.  
You know yourself better than I do, but here are some suggestions based on
what works for me in dealing with urges to overeat, urges to smoke, or when
I'm about to lose my temper:

First, when you feel that urge to binge, stand up if you're sitting, stop
moving if you're walking, and close your eyes.  Breathe in through your
nose, and out through your mouth, slowly.  Count to 10 with each inhale and
exhale.  Or say some sort of mantra like "I'm not hungry" on the inhale,
and "I don't need to eat" on the exhale. Sometimes I up it a notch by
slowly tensing up all muscles on the inhale and slowly relaxing them on the
exhale.  If you do not feel relaxed and in control after a few minutes of
this, try getting out of the house, away from the food, and go for a walk.  
Or a jog if you're in the shape for that.  Or, (this is what I do when I
want a cigarette) do some pushups.  I can't actually do many on the floor
yet, so I do them against a wall.  This may or may not work for you, but
for me it releases endorphins which chemically make me feel better, and
it's good for me which psychologically makes me feel better.

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Paper - 17 Mar 2004 19:48 GMT
>First, when you feel that urge to binge, stand up if you're sitting, stop
>moving if you're walking, and close your eyes.  Breathe in through your
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>for me it releases endorphins which chemically make me feel better, and
>it's good for me which psychologically makes me feel better.

Thanks for the suggestions. I know you're right. The only time I let
stress get the best of me is when I'm working (weekends) and not on my
regular exercise and meditation schedule. The gym opens too late for
me to go, but there's no reason why I can't get up early and do an
extra long and fast walk with the dog. I can't do pushups yet either,
but I CAN do them if I use the stability ball, or as you say - against
the wall. It seems so easy when my brain is functioning properly...LOL

Paper

If it's not one thing - it's your mother.
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JC Der Koenig - 17 Mar 2004 20:05 GMT
Let's hear about all the stress.

Do you live in a combat zone?

Are you dying from cancer?

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Most of us probably aren't in danger of eating too little. :)

Becky P.

> >First, when you feel that urge to binge, stand up if you're sitting, stop
> >moving if you're walking, and close your eyes.  Breathe in through your
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> If it's not one thing - it's your mother.
> High Weight 308/225-Atkins Start/221.5/150
Marsha - 18 Mar 2004 01:54 GMT
> Let's hear about all the stress.
>
> Do you live in a combat zone?
>
> Are you dying from cancer?

I can't imagine much stress worse than being a teacher these
days.

Marsha/Ohio
JC Der Koenig - 18 Mar 2004 02:30 GMT
> > Let's hear about all the stress.
> >
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> I can't imagine much stress worse than being a teacher these
> days.

That's what a lot of teachers say, but it's all relative. I've been in much
more stressful situations with the military, so I believe that many teachers
whine a lot and make a mountain out of a molehill. The great part is that I
tell some of these teachers my unfettered thoughts, adding to their
"stress". Life is good.
Marsha - 18 Mar 2004 02:51 GMT
>>>Let's hear about all the stress.
>>>
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> tell some of these teachers my unfettered thoughts, adding to their
> "stress". Life is good.

Retracting my statement.  Now that I think about it, your
examples are definitely worse.  Thanks for that perspective.

Marsha/Ohio (thought for the day - someone is always worse
off than you)
katie k - 18 Mar 2004 14:36 GMT
I've been in much
> more stressful situations with the military,

Stories, PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!

katie k
JC Der Koenig - 18 Mar 2004 14:45 GMT
> I've been in much
> > more stressful situations with the military,
>
> Stories, PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!

You mean like the time we were setting up a perimeter defense for an airbase
in Riyadh, when SCUDS started coming in and we weren't sure if they
contained chemical agents or not?
katie k - 18 Mar 2004 19:45 GMT
nahhh, something much more dramatic...
JC Der Koenig - 18 Mar 2004 20:08 GMT
You only don't think it was dramatic because you weren't there.

> nahhh, something much more dramatic...
bidkev - 18 Mar 2004 03:16 GMT
>> Let's hear about all the stress.
>>
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> I can't imagine much stress worse than being a teacher these
> days.

Foster carer?
Angie - 18 Mar 2004 04:55 GMT
i have stress for u.
how about being the only one in a realationship that has income coming in
and worry about if rent is going to get paid.
or if you will have money to buy food after bills and rent are paid.
how about working with the public all day long and getting told by
customers for no reason that if they new they had to look at ur face that
morning they wouldn't have bothered coming to ur store and then turning
around and calling u a piece of sh**t becuase u appoligized for a mistake
that another employee made and the day the mistake was made u weren't even
working.
how about living in a place that is infested with bugs and disgusting
people and having no choice but to live there because u don't make enough
money or ur b/f is on social assistance and well lets just say my list goes
on and on.......
  for those of us who fall off the wagon because we are under stress doen't
make us terrible people. and if our stress doesn't add up to someone else's
big deal. we all have days that we just don't care if we eat right and if us
eating all the crapy food that is in our house apartment or if we happen to
make a special trip to the store to get what ever it is we want ten oh well.
At least we get back on track and try again.
I was told by someone on another board once that we haven't given up or
failed if we haven't quit......... Which I think is darn good advice.

angie

> > Let's hear about all the stress.
> >
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>
> Marsha/Ohio
JC Der Koenig - 18 Mar 2004 05:29 GMT
Should I call the waaahhhhmbulance for you?

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Most of us probably aren't in danger of eating too little. :)

Becky P.

> i have stress for u.
> how about being the only one in a realationship that has income coming in
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> >
> > Marsha/Ohio
TavliGal - 18 Mar 2004 06:55 GMT
>> i have stress for u.
>> how about being the only one in a realationship that has income
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>> don't make enough money or ur b/f is on social assistance and well
>> lets just say my list goes on and on.......

Sounds like losing the boyfriend would make your life easier.
Monica

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katie k - 18 Mar 2004 14:38 GMT
> i have stress for u.
> how about being the only one in a realationship that has income coming in
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> money or ur b/f is on social assistance and well lets just say my list goes
> on an on.......

how about prayer?

katie k
Lorelei - 18 Mar 2004 18:02 GMT
> Let's hear about all the stress.
>
> Do you live in a combat zone?
>
> Are you dying from cancer?

My husband is dying from cancer so then I can claim stress..??
we all handle things differently. To look at me you would think that I am as
cool as a cucumber (so people who "know" me say) but I am in a constant
state of stress and you'd only know it if you felt my shoulders.
Lori
JC Der Koenig - 18 Mar 2004 19:19 GMT
> > Let's hear about all the stress.
> >
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> state of stress and you'd only know it if you felt my shoulders.
> Lori

I believe you're under a lot of real stress of the worst kind, but I wasn't
writing about you specifically.
Sleepyman - 18 Mar 2004 21:41 GMT
>Let's hear about all the stress.
>
>Do you live in a combat zone?
>
>Are you dying from cancer?

Ya know, I may be an a.shole, but you are just petty, mean, and
childish.

Your Pal,

Sleepy

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Bush - Cheney - Ashcroft - Rumsfeld
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JC Der Koenig - 18 Mar 2004 21:51 GMT
> >Let's hear about all the stress.
> >
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> Ya know, I may be an a.shole, but you are just petty, mean, and
> childish.

Yes, let's not talk about reality. That would be petty, mean, and childish.
bidkev - 18 Mar 2004 23:36 GMT
>>> Let's hear about all the stress.
>>>
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> Yes, let's not talk about reality. That would be petty, mean, and
> childish.

Why? When *I* talk about reality it isn't petty mean and childish.
Perhaps that's all your reality/life consists off?

You're a real sad f.ck.

Did the diddum widdums get frightened in Riyadh and developed anger
issues? You should've been helping fetch the Kurds down from the
mountains in the North in 91. Perhaps you would have learned some
compassion for others, you arrogant, ignorant, smug, self-opinionated
turd.

BTW, can't you tell that I just *love* your approach to enthusing
others?
JC Der Koenig - 19 Mar 2004 00:12 GMT
And you think it's my problem that you don't like the way I present reality?

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Most of us probably aren't in danger of being overly-sensitive Brits. Just
bi-kev.

> >>> Let's hear about all the stress.
> >>>
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> BTW, can't you tell that I just *love* your approach to enthusing
> others?
bidkev - 19 Mar 2004 01:50 GMT
> And you think it's my problem that you don't like the way I present
> reality?

*Your* reality........twisted.

>Most of us probably aren't in danger of being overly-sensitive Brits.

Australian citizen actually, and yes, I am sensitive........to bullies
such as yourself.

>Just bi-kev.

Totally heterosexual. Got a secret?

Most of us probably aren't in danger of being arrogant, smug, bullying
bastards.

>>>>> Let's hear about all the stress.
>>>>>
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>> BTW, can't you tell that I just *love* your approach to enthusing
>> others?
JC Der Koenig - 19 Mar 2004 02:12 GMT
If you're totally heterosexual, why do you so obviously have a hard-on for
me?

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Most of us probably aren't in danger of thinking too little.

> > And you think it's my problem that you don't like the way I present
> > reality?
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> >> BTW, can't you tell that I just *love* your approach to enthusing
> >> others?
bidkev - 19 Mar 2004 07:53 GMT
> If you're totally heterosexual, why do you so obviously have a
> hard-on for me?

You should be so lucky.

Most of us probably aren't in danger of attempting to demonstrate our
manhood through the bullying of others.

>>> And you think it's my problem that you don't like the way I present
>>> reality?
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>>>> BTW, can't you tell that I just *love* your approach to enthusing
>>>> others?
Sleepyman - 19 Mar 2004 07:08 GMT
>> Ya know, I may be an a.shole, but you are just petty, mean, and
>> childish.
>
>Yes, let's not talk about reality. That would be petty, mean, and childish.

You must have a very small penis.

Your Pal,

Sleepy

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Bush - Cheney - Ashcroft - Rumsfeld
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bidkev - 19 Mar 2004 07:54 GMT
>>> Ya know, I may be an a.shole, but you are just petty, mean, and
>>> childish.
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>>
> You must have a very small penis.

Double whammy!! He probably couldn't see it from above, even if it was a
big one.
JC Der Koenig - 19 Mar 2004 12:22 GMT
Why are you so interested in my penis? That's just creepy, sleepy.

> >> Ya know, I may be an a.shole, but you are just petty, mean, and
> >> childish.
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> Bush - Cheney - Ashcroft - Rumsfeld
> ---------------------------------
Jean B. - 17 Mar 2004 17:18 GMT
> on the weekend. Omigod - the longer I'm at this, the longer I wonder
> if I will ever acquire a working brain that doesn't respond to stress
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>
> Paper

How long have you been on this WOE?  How long do you go between
binges?  Just wondering whether you even go long enough so you get
to the point where you have more control.
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Paper - 17 Mar 2004 19:56 GMT
>How long have you been on this WOE?  How long do you go between
>binges?  Just wondering whether you even go long enough so you get
>to the point where you have more control.

Oh...my dear. I have been on and off for the last 25 years. The last
two years have been a constant daily workout at getting myself into
some sort of control. A lot of inner work, a lot of therapy and a
realization that dropping the dose of my anti-depressant was probably
not a smart thing to do. I'm back to my doctor next week to talk about
that.

You know what? I look so normal...LOL

Paper

If it's not one thing - it's your mother.
High Weight 308/225-Atkins Start/221.5/150
Jean B. - 18 Mar 2004 03:17 GMT
> >How long have you been on this WOE?  How long do you go between
> >binges?  Just wondering whether you even go long enough so you get
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>
> You know what? I look so normal...LOL

Okayyyyyyyyyyyyy, so forget my musing....

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Jean B.

John V - 17 Mar 2004 18:51 GMT
I woke up to the realization this morning that I can continue with my WOE
and wrap my head around what that means, or I can become just another of
those millions who made a new year's resolution and deserted it sometime
within the first 90 days of the year.  I have lost close to 30 pounds and
have no intention of going back.  When you feel like crap, remember where
you were and look ahead again to where you want to be. In a year, you will
be one of the success stories of this newsgroup, even as I damn well intend
to be.

Keep at it!  Back on the wagon.

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> on the weekend. Omigod - the longer I'm at this, the longer I wonder
> if I will ever acquire a working brain that doesn't respond to stress
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Paper
Paper - 17 Mar 2004 19:58 GMT
>I woke up to the realization this morning that I can continue with my WOE
>and wrap my head around what that means, or I can become just another of
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>be one of the success stories of this newsgroup, even as I damn well intend
>to be.

Thanks. You're too right. I haven't given up nor do I ever intend to.
This last binge was hopefully just that - the LAST binge.

Paper

If it's not one thing - it's your mother.
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JC Der Koenig - 17 Mar 2004 20:14 GMT
You don't look normal at 225 pounds.

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Most of us probably aren't in danger of eating too little. :)

Becky P.

> >I woke up to the realization this morning that I can continue with my WOE
> >and wrap my head around what that means, or I can become just another of
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> If it's not one thing - it's your mother.
> High Weight 308/225-Atkins Start/221.5/150
DigitalVinyl - 17 Mar 2004 20:20 GMT
>on the weekend. Omigod - the longer I'm at this, the longer I wonder
>if I will ever acquire a working brain that doesn't respond to stress
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
>Paper

Well some people are overweight, not because they have some genetic
predispostion to being obese but because it is a psychological reflex
to other issues. Sometimes it is that other issue must be tackled too
to make a permanent change. I live with a lot of family stresses and
have seen myself eating shortly after a phone call from family.
Sometimes you have to ask yourself what have you really done to reduce
stress in the future. We often do sh.t that is of no consequence,
doesn't help or makes things worse meanwhile telling ourselves there
is nothing we can do. And then we eat for no good reason.

You should consider creating a more binge-friendly atmosphere. Get rid
of anything that isn't low carb by its very nature (out goes cans of
beans, corn, sugar, flour, frozen meals, potatoes, all sweetened
drinks.) Stock up on low-carb binge food, pork rinds, dill pickles,
cheese, deli meats, stuff that is ready to eat. If you suffer a binge
again, you'll be able to eat LC things and hopefully get past it. I
know in my first two weeks I had six 3000+ calorie days. I let myself
eat, just kept it to low/zero carb fare. I ran through cravings for
more and more but stuck to LC. I overate, but it got me past bad days
and didn't cripple my weight loss. Once i got past those bad days my
cravings went away and those hungry-for-anything days have only occur
2-3 times in the last 7 weeks. Again, I overate for the day but stuff
to more low/zero carb fare. I hope my body learns it isn't going to
get whatever the hell it wanted eventually.

Good Luck

DiGiTAL_ViNYL (no email)
350/316/Mar-315/200
Atkins since Jan 12, 2004
katie k - 18 Mar 2004 14:40 GMT
> >on the weekend. Omigod - the longer I'm at this, the longer I wonder
> >if I will ever acquire a working brain that doesn't respond to stress
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> predispostion to being obese but because it is a psychological reflex
> to other issues.

nope... the are overweight because they eat more than they need to.

katie k
Dawn Taylor - 17 Mar 2004 21:01 GMT
On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 10:30:48 -0500, Paper
<papergrrl8112CARBS@hotmail.com> announced in front of God and
everybody:

>on the weekend. Omigod - the longer I'm at this, the longer I wonder
>if I will ever acquire a working brain that doesn't respond to stress
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
>Back on the wagon.

It may take awhile, and practice, and patience, to overcome that
reaction to stress. But it can be done.

For a very, very long time, binging was my reaction to both stress and
depression. I went through periods of bulemia and compulsive
overeating when I was younger.Therapy helped -- but what really tdid
the trick was my systematically training myself to just *not* do that
when I was stressed.

Whether it involved reading a book or taking a hot bath or shutting
myself in my bedroom and screaming into a pillow or just rocking back
and forth and breathing deeply (in the nose ... out the mouth ... in
the nose ... out the mouth ...) I made myself do anything BUT eat a
half a cake or a bag of chips or a dozen cookies to make myself feel
better. It was hard but, eventually, it worked.

Today, I rarely think about binging in response to stress. Almost
never. I conditioned myself to go in other directions to ease my
stress. But it took some dedication and hard work -- it is, however,
work well worth doing for your own health and self-esteem.

Good luck.

Dawn
jpatti - 18 Mar 2004 20:43 GMT
> For a very, very long time, binging was my reaction to both stress and
> depression. I went through periods of bulemia and compulsive
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>
> Good luck.

I think the important bit is finding replacement behaviors that work.
My daughter didn't binge, but she was a cutter.  Too many of her
therapists focused on the cutting, as if that were the issue, rather
than on teaching her alternative self-soothing behavior.  Just
*stopping* doing something doesn't work if you don't have something to
replace it with.

For depression, I find certain types of novels make me feel good...
ones where the people behave heroically.  Curling up in bed with a
Heinlein novel usually fixes a short-acting depression - it works way
better than pizza for me.

My issues have more to do with rewards than with self-soothing.  My
first month sticking to low-carb and regular exercise, I rewarded
myself with an appointment with a massage therapist.  Now *that* is a
reward that beats the heck out of an ice cream sundae!

On a more daily basis, I'll reward myself for doing everything on my
daily "to do" list by renting a movie or something.  Anything fun I
want to do and have been postponing.

I think it's important to find non-food-based ways to make yourself
feel good.  Food is definetly one of the pleasures of my life as
opposed to strictly fuel, but if it's what makes me feel better when I
have a shitty day or what I use to reward myself, it gets all
out-of-proportion.
Luna - 18 Mar 2004 21:01 GMT
> For depression, I find certain types of novels make me feel good...
> ones where the people behave heroically.  Curling up in bed with a
> Heinlein novel usually fixes a short-acting depression - it works way
> better than pizza for me.

Hey, I used to be a Heinlein fan too.  Terry Pratchett works even better.    
:o)

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jpatti - 18 Mar 2004 23:14 GMT
> Hey, I used to be a Heinlein fan too.  Terry Pratchett works even better.    
> :o)

I *adore* Pratchett... he's a blast.  His books are like carbs, just
make you crave more of them.  He's incredibly fun.

But Heinlein works to fix *depression* for me... when the world is
hopelessly gloomy, the heroic things makes me feel better about the
world.

I suppose if I were too damned happy, I could read Vonnegut for that.
;)
Paper - 19 Mar 2004 11:33 GMT
<snip>
>I think the important bit is finding replacement behaviors that work.

Big thanks to you and to EVERYONE who responded to this. You all have
some very good advice and I thank you for it.

Paper
Angie - 18 Mar 2004 01:00 GMT
i know what you mean i did the same this weekend too. i ate so much at one
point that i felt like i was going to be sick to my stomach but i still ate.
why do we do that to ourselfs. I know exactly what you mean about how u feel
after wards and it still doen't make u want to stop. hope things look up for
you im back on track yet again. does this ever get any easier

ange
> on the weekend. Omigod - the longer I'm at this, the longer I wonder
> if I will ever acquire a working brain that doesn't respond to stress
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>
> Paper
 
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