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Duffy - 17 Mar 2004 17:19 GMT
So here I am, low carb, confident and looking good at 124 pounds. I've
been at this stuff for a while and I know my limits and triggers. Or
so I thought.......

I visited my MIL and her second husband in Pittsburgh last weekend.
The trip was incredibly stressful. For one thing, they're both old and
sick. Grandpa Ed took a header getting off the toilet ten minutes
after I arrived. We called his part-time nurse to check him over. She
said he hadn't injured himself seriously in the fall but let me know
that he's probably going to die within a month or two. (It might sound
heartless, but my first thought was "Another trip I can't
afford!")Alternatively, I played the part of waitress, maid,
laundress, dutiful daughter-in-law. My husband and I fought on the
phone. The blast furnace atmospheric conditions and loud, loudest,
so-loud-so-you-can't-think-television (on 24 hours)inside the house
and the inescapable cold outside made the situation worse. But hey, I
told myself I was handling it okay.

When my flight home landed on Sunday night, my husband and I stopped
for dinner. I ate a biscuit. Not so bad,eh? Then I ate another. Monday
I was totally out of control. In just one day, I watched myself revert
to my old bad habits - secretive, high carb eating with accompanying
self-loathing that I was poweless to stop. Tuesday I did a little
better, but not much.

This morning I made out a menu for the day. I've used this system
before. I can't eat one thing that's not on the menu sheet. I feel
more in control and I'm confident I'll be able to get back in the
saddle again. Fortunately. Although I have terrible sugar cravings, I
am punching them down. I walked last night for exercise. I'll do it
again tonight.

The scary thing to me is how fast I came apart. Even the image of all
those fabulous size 6 and 8's hanging in my closet wasn't enough to
stop my hands from reaching for food. I have to face the fact that I
will never be "cured." And I know now that when faced with really high
stress situations, I will have to be extra vigilant about what goes
into my mouth.

I'm a carb addict, a junky. It sounds disgusting. I'm not apologizing
for what I am. I'm dealing with it.

Duffy
182/now 126 (thankfully that's all!!)
since 12-01-01
JC Der Koenig - 17 Mar 2004 17:23 GMT
You seem strong enough.

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Most of us probably aren't in danger of eating too little. :)

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> So here I am, low carb, confident and looking good at 124 pounds. I've
> been at this stuff for a while and I know my limits and triggers. Or
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> 182/now 126 (thankfully that's all!!)
> since 12-01-01
Bear - 18 Mar 2004 13:32 GMT
I like this side of you.

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> You seem strong enough.
>
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> > 182/now 126 (thankfully that's all!!)
> > since 12-01-01
Bob in CT - 17 Mar 2004 17:52 GMT
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> The scary thing to me is how fast I came apart. Even the image of all
> those fabulous size 6 and 8's hanging in my closet wasn't enough to
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> 182/now 126 (thankfully that's all!!)
> since 12-01-01

Yeah, but the thing is that you were under quite a lot of stress.  Shoot,
sometimes I'm off the bandwagon for no reason; at least you had a valid
reason.

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Jmmbear - 17 Mar 2004 18:48 GMT
>So here I am, low carb, confident and looking good at 124 pounds. I've
>been at this stuff for a while and I know my limits and triggers. Or
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>Duffy
>182/now 126 (thankfully that's all!!)

Stress sucks, no doubt about it.. ((((Duffy)))))

As always YMMV and this is JMO
Jeanne Type 2  Diagnosed 05/28/02
194/164/120
Clark Mertz - 17 Mar 2004 20:07 GMT
You need a better outlet for stress. Excuses are easy. Try walking or
jogging, worked for me.

> >So here I am, low carb, confident and looking good at 124 pounds. I've
> >been at this stuff for a while and I know my limits and triggers. Or
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> Jeanne Type 2  Diagnosed 05/28/02
> 194/164/120
CarbAddict - 17 Mar 2004 22:24 GMT
>  From: Clark Mertz (Wed, 17 Mar 2004 19:07:21 GMT)
> MsgId: <Jl16c.185$Xw.54@news02.roc.ny>
>
> You need a better outlet for stress.

Seems to me she gets that.
Clark Mertz - 17 Mar 2004 23:28 GMT
and?

> >  From: Clark Mertz (Wed, 17 Mar 2004 19:07:21 GMT)
> > MsgId: <Jl16c.185$Xw.54@news02.roc.ny>
> >
> > You need a better outlet for stress.
>
> Seems to me she gets that.
Roger Zoul - 17 Mar 2004 19:59 GMT
:: So here I am, low carb, confident and looking good at 124 pounds.
:: I've been at this stuff for a while and I know my limits and
:: triggers. Or so I thought.......

[...]

:: I'm a carb addict, a junky. It sounds disgusting. I'm not apologizing
:: for what I am. I'm dealing with it.

Yeah....I expect things to be exactly the same for me. My demons will never
leave...I might suppress them, but I'll carry them always..they are mine and
a part of me....and I must always be ready, willing, and alert enough to
deal with them.

Hang in there Duffy. You're the master of you.
Angie - 18 Mar 2004 00:52 GMT
we all have things that trigger us to fall of the wagon. we need to learn
how to get back on and to take control of them. At least you addmitted that
u have an addiction some of us can't even do that. and at least u are
willing to do something about it , we all are . most people don't care and
don't realize they are poisioning themselfs.
you'll get control again. just don't give up.
angie
> :: So here I am, low carb, confident and looking good at 124 pounds.
> :: I've been at this stuff for a while and I know my limits and
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>
> Hang in there Duffy. You're the master of you.
Sandy K. - 17 Mar 2004 22:47 GMT
> So here I am, low carb, confident and looking good at 124 pounds. I've
> been at this stuff for a while and I know my limits and triggers. Or
[quoted text clipped - 40 lines]
> Duffy
> 182/now 126 (thankfully that's all!!)

Sort of like an Alcoholic - take things one day or even on hour at a
time.....

I've been there and done that - don't let it get to ya.  Recognize it, which
you've already done, and move on....

Sandy K
Carol Ann - 17 Mar 2004 23:08 GMT
:: The scary thing to me is how fast I came apart. Even the image of all
:: those fabulous size 6 and 8's hanging in my closet wasn't enough to
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
:: 182/now 126 (thankfully that's all!!)
:: since 12-01-01

The wonderful thing about your experience, Duffy, is that you KNOW you can
stop yourself before you go too far.  That's the key to success IMHO;
knowing how to recognize the signs and stop yourself BEFORE you exceed
moderation.

I'm proud of you.  I'm impressed that you are so giving, too.  Your family
is fortunate to have you.

~Carol Ann
www.lowcarblosers.com ~ Home of the Monthly Weightloss Challenge
kc - 18 Mar 2004 00:32 GMT
> When my flight home landed on Sunday night, my husband and I stopped
> for dinner. I ate a biscuit. Not so bad,eh? Then I ate another. Monday
> I was totally out of control. In just one day, I watched myself revert
> to my old bad habits - secretive, high carb eating with accompanying
> self-loathing that I was poweless to stop. Tuesday I did a little
> better, but not much.

this sounds like disordered eating.  yes, i know "carb addict" is a popular
label on this board, but secretive, guilty eating screams of binge or
compulsive eating disorders to me.
have you considered talking to a therapist about the feelings you have when
you eat?  the feelings you have that "make" you eat that way?

i'm a compulsive overeater, and while i find that low carbing helps a lot
with cravings, it doesn't touch the major issues around why i overeat..
think for a while about why you overeat (or eat "bad" foods).  think about
the emotions you have, and what you expect to get out of the food.  do you
eat to fill an emotional void (this is what i do)?  do you eat to
"normalize" your emotions (i do this too)?  do you eat to cover up an
emotion you're not ready to deal with?

many people ease their emotional pain with food.  i think that's one of the
main sources of obesity in the US.  well, that and "super sized" portions.
:-)

congrats on getting back on track.  and i hope you feel better.

-kelly
Roger Zoul - 18 Mar 2004 01:02 GMT
::: When my flight home landed on Sunday night, my husband and I stopped
::: for dinner. I ate a biscuit. Not so bad,eh? Then I ate another.
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:: popular label on this board, but secretive, guilty eating screams of
:: binge or compulsive eating disorders to me.

Even if done very rarely?  I don't think Duffy is doing this on a weekly
basis, else she'd have gained a lot of weight back by now.

:: have you considered talking to a therapist about the feelings you
:: have when you eat?  the feelings you have that "make" you eat that
:: way?

Yeah....I like the feeling of food in my mouth...that's why I can binge.  I
guess I just don't buy this hooky-dooky head stuff.

:: i'm a compulsive overeater, and while i find that low carbing helps
:: a lot with cravings, it doesn't touch the major issues around why i
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:: too)?  do you eat to cover up an emotion you're not ready to deal
:: with?

hahaha. Eating makes me feel good (while I'm doing it). Thus, no matter how
I'm feeling at the time, eating will tilt the experience toward making me
feel better, in the moment.  Good times will be better, bad times will be
better.  Everything is better on a binge, which is why (IMO) bingers binge.
:)

Of course, I'm sure the "in your head" people will come up with more complex
reasons for it.

Tell me -- since you're obviously in tune with this "emotional" stuff, has
it helped you to not binge?  When was the last time you binged and how many
times in the last year have you binged?

:: many people ease their emotional pain with food.  i think that's one
:: of the main sources of obesity in the US.  well, that and "super
:: sized" portions. :-)

I disagree.  I think the main source (not all) of obesity is simply
excessive carb intake. Sure, emotional eating probably does factor in, but
if people didn't eat so much from carb sources, the weight gain would be
highly shunted.  Based on my experience, emotional eating is largely a
secondary factor. Obviously, just IMO.

:: congrats on getting back on track.  and i hope you feel better.
::
:: -kelly
kc - 18 Mar 2004 01:29 GMT
> Yeah....I like the feeling of food in my mouth...that's why I can binge.  I
> guess I just don't buy this hooky-dooky head stuff.

if you think emotional health is "hookey dookey", i don't know why you even
want me to reply.  you're obviously going to discount everything i say.

> hahaha. Eating makes me feel good (while I'm doing it). Thus, no matter how
> I'm feeling at the time, eating will tilt the experience toward making me
> feel better, in the moment.  Good times will be better, bad times will be
> better.  Everything is better on a binge, which is why (IMO) bingers binge.
> :)

there's a physical reason for this.  eating carbs releases serotonin in your
brain.  serotonin causes your mood to improve.
but since that happens in your head, i guess it's "hookey dookey", and
therefore meaningless.

> Tell me -- since you're obviously in tune with this "emotional" stuff, has
> it helped you to not binge?  When was the last time you binged and how many
> times in the last year have you binged?

i'm not a binge eater.  i'm a compulsive overeater.  i've never binged on
food.  i just kind of graze throughout the day, whether i'm hungry or not.
and i still overeat, i just overeat low carb stuff now.  yeah, watching all
the people here who are able to just count calories and get on with their
days is pretty depressing to me.  it's really hard to deal with. and it's
something i'm trying to get past.  i'm certainly better off now than i have
been in years (and much  lighter).

> I disagree.  I think the main source (not all) of obesity is simply
> excessive carb intake. Sure, emotional eating probably does factor in, but
> if people didn't eat so much from carb sources, the weight gain would be
> highly shunted.  Based on my experience, emotional eating is largely a
> secondary factor. Obviously, just IMO.

well, if you don't discount it for taking place in your head, there's a chem
ical reason for this, i posted about it earlier in the thread.  carb intake
leads to serotonin increase, which leads to better moods.  for a little
while, anyway.
so while you think eating carbs is not emotional, i (and many doctors) think
the two are closely related.

-kelly
carla - 18 Mar 2004 14:08 GMT
> Yeah....I like the feeling of food in my mouth...that's why I can binge.  I
> guess I just don't buy this hooky-dooky head stuff.

[snip]

> Of course, I'm sure the "in your head" people will come up with more complex
> reasons for it.

Roger, this is a little unfair, and I'm kind of surprised you are so
dismissive of the idea that there can be emotional as well as physical
triggers for eating.  You are usually not the sort of person who refuses to
see the shades of complexity in things.

I recognize your description - "I like the feel of food in my mouth" - it's
a good description of what binge eating sometimes feels like to me.  But
there's a transcendent state I can reach when binging - and I know I'm not
the only person who experiences this - where the food gets shoveled in and
scarfed down and I'm not even feeling or tasting or experiencing it any
more.

When a person is binging in that state, it is often accompanied by a kind of
detached, disgusted self-awareness - as if the binger is watching herself
from the outside, disgusted by the nature of the excess but powerless to
stop it.  It's not a happy feeling.  It can be connected with depression
though I don't know which way the causal arrow goes.

If you've never experienced that particular kind of weakness, then you are
lucky.  But it's wrong for you to assume that because you are not aware of a
psychological or emotional element to *your* binge eating that it is
"hooky-dooky" when others experience it.

carla
Roger Zoul - 18 Mar 2004 15:35 GMT
::: Yeah....I like the feeling of food in my mouth...that's why I can
::: binge. I guess I just don't buy this hooky-dooky head stuff.
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:: are not aware of a psychological or emotional element to *your*
:: binge eating that it is "hooky-dooky" when others experience it.

You're right carla....I guess I have not really experienced this kind of
eating.  Whenever I have binged, it was always because it felt good...even
when I was ashamed of myself for eating a dozen donuts (obviously when no
one was around to watch), I was doing it because I enjoyed the "mouth"
sensation.  It was more like being an irresponsible kid...there is an
emotional state that describes that feeling?

The thing about me is that my emotional state typically never varies too far
away from normal.  I don't have a lot of ups and downs, maybe because I live
alone.  I do remember back around January when i was debating breaking up
with my then girlfriend, that I had a binge on nuts....there was definitely
some emotional thing going on there...I just didn't want to maintain the
focus of controling myself, because (I guess) feeling bad about ending that
relationship was something I wanted to do, and attacking my body was a
method of making me feel worse?  Maybe I was trying to invoke an even deeper
emotional response....

Maybe I'm just the typical guy whose has no idea about emotions...
Angie - 18 Mar 2004 00:48 GMT
i know how u feel i have been struggling the last few days, i was doing good
all week and then friday night my scheduale at work changed and things went
down hill until today when i got back on track. I have been having massive
withdrawls. but i am doing better then i have all week. the main thing to
rememeber is that u got back on track and didn't give up completly. I was
told by someone once and it always sticks with me when I am having a hard
time. it goes like this

"you have not failed until you have given up completly......."

started lcing March 17 2004
weight watchers March 15 2003 goal weight reached 125 Sept  11/03
regain to 137lbs new goal 110 lbs 5'4 inches tall
goal for the last part of the month to get under 130lbs again. 3lbs away
from that goal.
Angie

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> So here I am, low carb, confident and looking good at 124 pounds. I've
> been at this stuff for a while and I know my limits and triggers. Or
[quoted text clipped - 41 lines]
> 182/now 126 (thankfully that's all!!)
> since 12-01-01
Marsha - 18 Mar 2004 01:43 GMT
> I visited my MIL and her second husband in Pittsburgh last weekend.
> The trip was incredibly stressful. For one thing, they're both old and
> sick.

Well, you got through it and you're back on track.  Good for
you!  Having been through my parents' deaths and my SO's
mother's death and impending father's death, all taken care
of in their later years by just us two, I can say that one
recurring thought always got me through - someday I'm gonna
be old, too.

Marsha/Ohio
RRzVRR - 18 Mar 2004 14:29 GMT
> The scary thing to me is how fast I came apart.

> I'm a carb addict, a junky. It sounds disgusting. I'm not apologizing
> for what I am. I'm dealing with it.

I hear you, its shocking that the hardwiring is still there even if
you haven't flipped the switch in a long time.

Try to keep in mind that being successful is not always about being
perfect, its about correcting your mistakes as quickly as possible and
learning from them.

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Duffy - 18 Mar 2004 18:37 GMT
> So here I am, low carb, confident and looking good at 124 pounds. I've
> been at this stuff for a while and I know my limits and triggers. Or
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> 182/now 126 (thankfully that's all!!)
> since 12-01-01

Thank you everyone for your kind replies. And thank you to the few
people with the not so kind replies.

I made it through yesterday without a hitch. As I mentioned, I used
the Duffy List system....a rather simplistic approach to squelch
out-of-control eating. The night before, I make a list of foods that I
can eat for the following day. I try to make the list broad enough
that it covers several possibilities, like going out to a restaurant,
having a quick snack, etc. Anyway, if a food isn't on the list, I
can't eat it. Period. Once the list is finalized, there are no
write-ins.

Yesterday I met my friend Paula for lunch at Subway and had a great
Spinach and Chicken salad (both of those were on the list). Dinner was
also made up of approved substances. I worked out over at the Fire
Department. I went to bed feeling more like myself.

Today the sugar craving demon is still calling, but the voices are
somewhat quieter. I know that by the weekend the demon will be gone
again.

For me, the most important issue of my diet journey comes down to
control. If I can control my eating, I am much happier. (The better
body is a great by-product.) I realize that when my life gets out of
control, food is the first place I turn for comfort. In turn, I hate
myself for eating stuff that isn't good for me and that makes me fat.
The awful feeling of standing with my hand in the Lay's bag of potato
chips and feeling powerless to stop, followed by a wave of
self-revulsion, is just too destructive. And of course, the reign of
eating does nothing to improve the situation that drove me to eat in
the first place.

Duffy's downward spiral can be controlled. Call it the Duffy List
System, call it Just Say No, call it Don't Say Yes, call it anything
you want. For me, at least, I understand that I can't control the
situations around me but I can control the way I deal with them and
stuffing my face just isn't an effective solution.

I hope that sharing my experience strikes a chord in someone here. If
not, maybe you're the lucky one. Because people who tie on a feedbag
in response to tough times are the ones who are going to have to fight
that urge over and over again. But folks, I am living proof that we
can fight it and win.

Duffy
182/now 126 (will weigh on Monday)
since 12-01-01
Roger Zoul - 18 Mar 2004 22:14 GMT
:: I hope that sharing my experience strikes a chord in someone here. If
:: not, maybe you're the lucky one. Because people who tie on a feedbag
:: in response to tough times are the ones who are going to have to
:: fight
:: that urge over and over again. But folks, I am living proof that we
:: can fight it and win.

good stuff, duffy.
jpatti - 18 Mar 2004 22:01 GMT
> 182/now 126 (thankfully that's all!!)
> since 12-01-01

*That* is the wonderful bit about your experience, getting back on the
wagon so fast.

Induction sucks, the withdrawal sucks, you feel miserable, no one
wants to go through it, it's so eaay to procrastinate another day,
another week, another month... I mean, you know you'll go back to
low-carb *eventually*, but maybe after this doughnut, after the
holidays, after, after, after...

How many posts do we see here where the poster lost some huge amount
of weight, fell off the wagon, and gained it all back before getting
back to it?  Getting back to it after a 2-lb gain sure as hell beats
getting back to it after a 20-lb gain or worse.
TdN - 19 Mar 2004 05:28 GMT
The great thing about this story is how you figured out what wasn't
working for you, and came up with a plan to get back on the path.
Very inspirational!

Thanks for taking the time to share this experience with us.  There
does seem to be a current of binging and/or "the Hell with it"
off-plan eating going around the NG right now...must be the equinox!

T.
 
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