Youve been doing a modified version of a diet that is set up to fail.

Well, unless you weigh 300 lbs you probably won't lose any fat...

Was that a hotline on Atkins Nutritionals products?  He sold off that
company some time ago.  Of course they want you to "eat all you want"
especially of their products, so you'll continue to "need" them.
Atkins never, ever wrote "eat all you want."

When I lost weight, I was eating 2000 (and I am a 6'1" male), and that
was eating as much protien and fat as I wanted without counting calories
(except once out of curiosity.)

And you have lisunderstood that a reduced calorie diet is one where you
count calories. Atkins says that it is not necessary to count them. It
usually works out without counting. But if (as in your case) it doesn't
make you eat less, then you might have to do something else, like count.
  Or maybe you are eating too much because of otehr factors, like
boredom, emotional trouble, etc, which you need to address. Start
excercising bigtime, to allow higher calorie intake, and to get your
mind on something else than food and personal pain.

Hum...........   I sure think I remember reading in an Atkins book that
somewhere along the line, if you're not losing weight then you should
consider the caloric intake.   I don't think calories can be completely
ignored in some cases.

Gotta remember:  "Calorie is king."  If you require 2000 calories a day and
eat 3000 calories of anything you WILL gain weight.  Biology 101.

Did you even read the book?  Atkins is a process not a menu.  If you do
not follow a program of modification, then you are not following the
directions.  If you don't modify you aren't on Atkins.

... and one is enough!  <g>

Yes, i know all about you qocaj's, and id say you are a lowcarb drop out who is
sitting there right now eating a high carb chocolate cake.
How come you never post your stats or pics?
I dont think you have ever tried to diet because you couldnt hack it.
You just like to argue and put people down.
You are one sour hearted biddie.

Jessi

Thanks Eileen, Bear, and Evelyn. I'm hoping Jessi and other misinformed diet
gurus will benefit as well.
   Tom

Summary for Jessi.
  "The diet works"
  Tom

Then I see why you call hotlines and not bother reading... since long
paragraphs are so difficult to read. That explains everything.

DiGiTAL_ViNYL (no email)
350/316/Mar-315/200
Atkins since Jan 12, 2004

You've missed major points in atkin's book... they can be hard to find
because he wrote so poorly. It is your job to customize the diet, find
food addictions/allergies and try to incorporate foods or pull them
out of your diet. Each person MUST customize a diet to fit the
functions of their body. Everybody is slightly different.

I had no problem consuming up to 3500 calories a day in the begining,
but my appetite did reduce without trying to restrict myself at all.
I'm down to less than 2000 calories a day average. My guess is you
were eating something that caused cravings and simply didn't want to
give it up, nutrasweet-flavored products, heavy amounts of caffeine,
sugarfree/SA-laden products. I gave up all sugar, all caffeine, and
would not eat sugar substitute in the first four weeks. I found it
very easy after the first week to stay away from all of them.

Also Atkins Nutritionals Inc. has nothing to do with Dr. Atkins since
before his death and is just another company making money off of a
diet fad. SO if you are listening to them you need to double check
what they tell you.

DiGiTAL_ViNYL (no email)
350/316/Mar-315/200
Atkins since Jan 12, 2004

Not true....how can counting calories make it not atkins...does atkins get
to tell me exactly what to do?  please...

Jessi-

sa·ti·ate    ( P )  Pronunciation Key (ssh-t)

tr.v. sa·ti·at·ed, sa·ti·at·ing, sa·ti·ates

To satisfy (an appetite or desire) fully.
To satisfy to excess.

adj. (-t)
Filled to satisfaction.

This is what NO low-fat high-carb diet has ever done for me.  I watch
my carbs and my calories BECAUSE I WANT TO.  Here's breaking news:
Dr. Adkins doesn't say to eat "all you want" or "all you can".  He
acknowledges that one can over-indulge and negate any benefit.

I track my calories on fitday.com and know what?  The better I am at
controlling and selecting my carbs, the more my calorie intake falls.
It's not a deliberate calculation, it just happened.

Please worry less about the semantics that are at the foundation of
your troll and try harder to support the millions (and growing)
numbers who are breaking the chains that manufactured, high carb crap
has kept them in.

For the first time in my life I AM FREE.  It's my buddy "satiation"
kicking in, and you know who I have to be eternally grateful to?  The
late (and great) Dr. Adkins.  I pray he is in heaven looking down
chearing us all on, because he has done more than ANYONE in my life to
help me be a better person.

Nabisco, Sara Lee, Coke, Taco Bell, McDonalds, and all the rest can go
straight to hell.  They don't own me anymore!

Coff

Post less, contribute more

Straight from the Atkins website FAQ, added emphasis mine:
http://tinyurl.com/2k92r

"I'm used to counting calories. How many am I allowed on Induction?

The Atkins Nutritional Approach counts grams of carbohydrates instead of
calories. In Induction, you are allowed 20 grams of Net Carbs. When you
progress to Ongoing Weight Loss, you gradually add carbohydrates in 5-gram
increments as you move toward Pre-Maintenance, and finally, in 10-gram
increments as you approach the Lifetime Maintenance phase. Although you do
not need to count calories, *it is certainly possible to consume too many
calories even if your carb intake is on target*. If you are losing weight,
there is no need to concern yourself with counting calories. *However, if
you are unable to lose weight or actually regain weight lost, one
possibility is that you are taking in more calories than you expend through
exercise, thermogenesis (the body's own heat production) and other metabolic
functions.*

Research has shown that on a controlled carbohydrate program, more calories
are burned than on a low-fat, high-carbohydrate diet, so there is a certain
metabolic advantage to the controlled carb approach. *But understand that
this does not give you a license to gorge.*

If you are used to counting calories and are more comfortable with such an
approach, the general rule of thumb is to multiply your present weight by 10
to 12 to get the daily caloric range at which you would lose weight. For
example a 150-pound woman who consumes 1,500 to 1,800 calories daily should
continue to lose weight.

The real goal of the Atkins program is to learn eating habits that will
enable you to permanently maintain a healthy weight and lifestyle. *This
includes changing old habits such as overeating that contributed to your
original weight problem.*"

*****************

IIRC, this does not at all contradict anything that the Atkins book says.
It merely clarifies what he said himself, which is that the Atkins plan is
not a license to overconsume.  If you think that through for just a minute,
what really is the definition of 'overconsumption', besides eating past
fullness and/or when you're not hungry?

The real measure of overconsumption is still caloric intake vs. outlay.  And
what is 'overconsumption' for one person may be maintenance or even loss for
another.  So following that thought to its logical conclusion - if you
aren't losing weight while limiting carbs, then how do you know whether or
not you're 'overconsuming' unless you also know how many calories you're
taking in and burning?

The answer given above from the Atkins site is IMO perfectly in line with
the Atkins plan - if you are losing at your carb limit (20g for Induction,
and then at whatever your CCLL for OWL is), then there is no need to count
calories.  If you _aren't_ losing, you should count them to see if you're
overeating.

The possibility of having to count calories is provided for in the Atkins
plan - just as the 'fat fast' is also part of the plan, which not all of us
have done or have needed to do.  Just because I haven't done it myself
doesn't mean I'm not following Atkins - it means that I didn't have any need
to follow that part of the plan, per Atkins.  Just as I also didn't have any
need to cut dairy to deal with yeast overgrowth (which is also mentioned as
a potential pitfall in the book).  The book is full of 'if this is a
problem/then try this' scenarios - which means that it's _meant_ to be
tailored as you go along, to whatever your particular situation might be.

Atkins has worked just fine for me.  I see the proof of it every day in the
mirror.

Stargazer
Atkins since Apr '03
192/147/140

Atkins never said to be a glutton and pig out on 3000 calories a day. You would
have to be a sumo wrestler to be following his "eat until no longer hungry"
(NOT stuffed) advice and consuming THAT much.

LCing since 12/01/03-
Me- 5'7" 265/219/140
& hubby- 6' 310/238/180

http://www.geocities.com/tater7712001/nikoleslowcarbadventure.html?1078386019830

Hey Nikole.  I was raised in Destin...graduated from FWBHS
many years ago...