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leadpipe - 18 Mar 2004 16:40 GMT I never ate a Brownie, Cookie, or DOnut for about a year. I broke down 2 weeks ago and had a brownie 2 weeks ago and now have been eating brownies, cookies, and donuts. I constantly think about them and binge on them whenever I am near them. Any suggestions for getting off the craving again. I eat sugarless jello etc but it doesn't help. Has anyone tried hypnosis? I am really desparate. Thanks
JC Der Koenig - 18 Mar 2004 16:41 GMT Looks like you want to be fatter. Have fun with it.
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Becky P.
> I never ate a Brownie, Cookie, or DOnut for about a year. I broke down 2 > weeks ago and had a brownie 2 weeks ago and now have been eating brownies, > cookies, and donuts. I constantly think about them and binge on them > whenever I am near them. Any suggestions for getting off the craving again. > I eat sugarless jello etc but it doesn't help. Has anyone tried hypnosis? I > am really desparate. Thanks Ignoramus21235 - 18 Mar 2004 16:54 GMT > I never ate a Brownie, Cookie, or DOnut for about a year. I broke down 2 > weeks ago and had a brownie 2 weeks ago and now have been eating brownies, > cookies, and donuts. I constantly think about them and binge on them > whenever I am near them. Any suggestions for getting off the craving again. > I eat sugarless jello etc but it doesn't help. Has anyone tried hypnosis? I > am really desparate. Thanks Have you tried looking in the mirror? Maybe that will help.
Have you had binging problems before?
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Joan J. - 18 Mar 2004 17:28 GMT It's all about choices. I've got a 22 yr old daughter in drug rehab. Her "recovery" has helped me enormously in dealing with my own overeating and food addictions. It's my CHOICE to put the wrong food in my mouth -- no one is holding a gun to my head or threatening my life or my family's life and making me eat the wrong thing. It's my CHOICE to exercise or not, to eat my veggies or not, to follow Atkins or not. It's your choice too. You are choosing to eat those brownies, donuts, etc. No one if forcing you to!
If you WANT to get past the cravings, find alternatives that work for you -- ways to keep your hands and mind busy. For me, it's quilting or knitting or reading. If I can take my mind off food for those few minutes, I can get past the tough spots. It's all about choice.
Try and take it minute by minute, hour by hour. When your craving hits, set a timer for 15 minutes and go do something you enjoy. You can do ANYTHING for 15 minutes! And if you can get through that 15 minutes, try another 15 on the timer! Keep at it until that craving passes. Then PAT YOURSELF ON THE BACK!
Take it one craving at a time, one minute at a time, one day at a time. You can do this IF YOU WANT TO.
Good luck, Joan J
Atkins since 01/24/04 250/221/???
> I never ate a Brownie, Cookie, or DOnut for about a year. I broke down 2 > weeks ago and had a brownie 2 weeks ago and now have been eating brownies, > cookies, and donuts. I constantly think about them and binge on them > whenever I am near them. Any suggestions for getting off the craving again. > I eat sugarless jello etc but it doesn't help. Has anyone tried hypnosis? I > am really desparate. Thanks Lorelei - 18 Mar 2004 17:35 GMT > I never ate a Brownie, Cookie, or DOnut for about a year. I broke down 2 > weeks ago and had a brownie 2 weeks ago and now have been eating brownies, > cookies, and donuts. I constantly think about them and binge on them > whenever I am near them. Any suggestions for getting off the craving again. > I eat sugarless jello etc but it doesn't help. Has anyone tried hypnosis? I > am really desparate. Thanks Don't let the resident creeps get you down. Apparently, they are perfect and never struggle. After almost a yr and 70 lbs I got lost down the road of SF candy. Russell Stovers SF toffee sticks. that combined with having to drive DH around for almost 3 weeks (not having a license didn't stop him from working 50 hr weeks) That helped me add a lovely 6 lbs. combine that with some Drinkypoo (diet coke with Vanilla Absolute) (DH has terminal cancer, coping is easier with the edge off) and those drinks are soooo yummy they must stir up a sugar craving in me and no real exercise due to the fact that I was driving all day and waiting in the van while he did bids etc. I have stopped all SF candy, no coffee unless exercise first, Sf Jello and SF popsicles if I really need something sweet. and back to Curves. I have about 2 more drinks in the freezer and then I put the booze away I plan on having that off again in no time flat. SO pick yourself up by the seat of your pants (while you still can) and break those cravings again. You know how. You've done it before. Lesson learned for both of us, I'd say.
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Damsel in dis Dress - 18 Mar 2004 18:12 GMT >After almost a yr and 70 lbs I got lost down the road of SF candy. Russell >Stovers SF toffee sticks. that combined with having to drive DH around for [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >sugar craving in me and no real exercise due to the fact that I was driving >all day and waiting in the van while he did bids etc. Hi Lori,
I admire you so much. Keeping going (or getting back) on low-carb with all that's going on in your life. I didn't know until just now what was happening with your husband. I hope you're finding strength in numbers with your online friends.
Keeping you in my prayers, Carol
 Signature 227/220.5/150 Atkins since March 12, 2004 Type 2 Diabetic since May 15, 2001
Lorelei - 18 Mar 2004 18:41 GMT > >After almost a yr and 70 lbs I got lost down the road of SF candy. Russell > >Stovers SF toffee sticks. that combined with having to drive DH around for [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Keeping you in my prayers, > Carol Thanks Carol, I am glad to see you back with your usual loving support to all. and I see you are making progress! Keep it up! and thanks for your warm wishes.
 Signature Lori 220/156 (what the hell???)/150 LC since 1/17/03 Devoted wife of Curtis, Stage 4 Prostate cancer at age 40 http://community.webshots.com/user/lorismiller-date
Damsel in dis Dress - 18 Mar 2004 18:04 GMT >I never ate a Brownie, Cookie, or DOnut for about a year. I broke down 2 >weeks ago and had a brownie 2 weeks ago and now have been eating brownies, >cookies, and donuts. I constantly think about them and binge on them >whenever I am near them. Any suggestions for getting off the craving again. >I eat sugarless jello etc but it doesn't help. Has anyone tried hypnosis? I >am really desparate. Thanks I can't give you concrete advice on how to get back on board, but I *can* tell you that I am, and have always been, addicted to cookies. I don't know what it is, but I just love cookies! A couple days before re-starting low-carb, I ate an entire 9x13" pan of brownies. It wasn't worth it.
Please take a look at what happend to me when I let that addiction get the better of me: http://photos.yahoo.com/carol_arie
I hope that my miserable experience can inspire you to get back on track.
Best wishes! Carol
 Signature 227/220.5/150 Atkins since March 12, 2004 Type 2 Diabetic since May 15, 2001
Evelyn Ruut - 19 Mar 2004 00:40 GMT > >I never ate a Brownie, Cookie, or DOnut for about a year. I broke down 2 > >weeks ago and had a brownie 2 weeks ago and now have been eating brownies, [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Best wishes! > Carol Last September I took in an exchange student for my Rotary Club. Naturally this boy is not going to be eating my low carb WOE, right? So I bought bread, cereal, crackers, and the absolutely most delicious chocolate chip cookies you have ever tasted. The poor boy shouldn't feel deprived, right?
Well, I got to nicking one of those yummy cookies every day! I thought it must have been a chocolate craving, but to tell you the truth, I just loved those cookies no end! After the kid moved on to his next host home, I still kept buying the chocolate chip cookies and eating one every day.
It was a real tough job to walk past those things and NOT buy a package. I am finally out of my chocolate chip cookie habit, but I still feel a magnetic pull every time I go into Sam's Club and see them. I have to FIGHT myself not to buy the box and nail one right there in the store!!!!!
You just have to force yourself sometimes. Especially when it becomes a habit.
Good Luck and hang in there. If I did it, so can you.
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Anne Lurie - 19 Mar 2004 01:07 GMT Evelyn, I can relate to your "generosity"! When I lived in Vermont, I felt "obligated" to buy Ben & Jerry's ice cream all the time -- after all, both of them lived not so far from me! And there were also those conveniently-located B&J stores.
Every time my son would come home from college, I made sure that I had some B&J on hand "just for him" -- all in pints, of course, so I could have a variety.
My son brought me back to reality when he opened the refrigerator freezer (as opposed to the *real* freezer) and found nothing in it except a few ice cubes.................... and a lot of B&J ice cream!!!
BTW, speaking of Sam's Club, hubby just bought a "tub" of pork rinds (18 oz.) there.
Anne Lurie Raleigh, NC
> Last September I took in an exchange student for my Rotary Club. Naturally > this boy is not going to be eating my low carb WOE, right? So I bought [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Good Luck and hang in there. If I did it, so can you. Cubit - 18 Mar 2004 20:40 GMT I've never binged. However, for me, the reduction of carbs to less than 50 or 20 per day for a month caused a reduction in desire for carb based foods of all kinds. My guess is that it was not just the brownie that caused your cravings. You may have been eating enough carbs to switch back to a carb based metabolism and the carb cravings come with it.
Use FitDay to track your carbs. I'll bet the brownies are not the only problem.
Hypnosis is a very powerful technique. The trick might be finding a hypnotist who believes in low carb.
Cubit 308/263.5/165
Note: "BCD" is Binary Coded Decimal.
> I never ate a Brownie, Cookie, or DOnut for about a year. I broke down 2 > weeks ago and had a brownie 2 weeks ago and now have been eating brownies, > cookies, and donuts. I constantly think about them and binge on them > whenever I am near them. Any suggestions for getting off the craving again. > I eat sugarless jello etc but it doesn't help. Has anyone tried hypnosis? I > am really desparate. Thanks Cailleachschilde - 19 Mar 2004 04:00 GMT > My guess is that it was not just the brownie that caused your >cravings. You may have been eating enough carbs to switch back to a carb >based metabolism and the carb cravings come with it. > >Use FitDay to track your carbs. I'll bet the brownies are not the only >problem.
>Cubit It sure can be just the brownies. Last week I had some pineapple. It set up a sugar craving all day. No more pineapple for me, not even a small amount. All it takes is one food.
Yvonne
Anne Lurie - 18 Mar 2004 20:56 GMT I think a good place to stop the brownie etc. problem would be *before* they get in the door!
Avoid the grocery aisles where you buy these things -- if they are not in your house, you can't eat them.
Just a thought,
Anne Lurie
> I never ate a Brownie, Cookie, or DOnut for about a year. I broke down 2 > weeks ago and had a brownie 2 weeks ago and now have been eating brownies, > cookies, and donuts. I constantly think about them and binge on them > whenever I am near them. Any suggestions for getting off the craving again. > I eat sugarless jello etc but it doesn't help. Has anyone tried hypnosis? I > am really desparate. Thanks Lorelei - 18 Mar 2004 21:18 GMT > I think a good place to stop the brownie etc. problem would be *before* they > get in the door! [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Anne Lurie I live with 3 guys. My DH Curt (40) who works a very physical job with a rough boss (himself : ) an athletic 12 yr old and a rambunctious 3 yr old. They like to have certain things in the house for them. It would be unfair of me to not allow them to have their special things in the house. I have to find things to satisfy me and leave their stuff alone.
 Signature Lori 220/156/150 LC since 1/17/03 back on course 3/15/04 Devoted wife of Curtis, Stage 4 Prostate cancer at age 40 http://community.webshots.com/user/lorismiller-date
Ignoramus21235 - 18 Mar 2004 21:22 GMT > I live with 3 guys. My DH Curt (40) who works a very physical job with a > rough boss (himself : ) an athletic 12 yr old and a rambunctious 3 yr old. > They like to have certain things in the house for them. It would be unfair > of me to not allow them to have their special things in the house. I have to > find things to satisfy me and leave their stuff alone. I am sorry for your kids. Not only they have bad heredity, but you are also feeding them the worst food imaginable. If they are slim now, it is not a good excuse to ruin their health with brownies and cookies.
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Lorelei - 18 Mar 2004 21:28 GMT > > I live with 3 guys. My DH Curt (40) who works a very physical job with a > > rough boss (himself : ) an athletic 12 yr old and a rambunctious 3 yr old. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > i I am sorry that your are Ignorant. They do not have bad heredity, I had bad habits.
and guess what? they are all capable of feeding themselves. Well, DH may become completely dependent on care someday but until then he can still heft a fork, In fact, he buys the sweets around here, not me. You haven't seen my cupboards nor have you seen my fridge. No cookies or brownies here. Just things that are too high Carb for me. and DH loves his potato chips but hey, let a dying man eat what he wants you Ignorant fool. BTW, what's with the constantly changing ID. I can't keep you blocked!
Ignoramus21235 - 18 Mar 2004 21:36 GMT >> In article <fun6c.46922$aT1.25243@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>, > Lorelei wrote: [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > I am sorry that your are Ignorant. They do not have bad heredity, I had bad > habits. Well, so you are passing these bad habits to your kids, congratulations. As for heredity, even some junk food eaters do not get fat, so, since you did get fat, you do have bad"predisposition" to being fat.
> and guess what? they are all capable of feeding themselves. no doubt your 3 year old can go shpoping for himself/herself.
> Well, DH may become completely dependent on care someday but until > then he can still heft a fork, I was not questioning your husband's eating.
> In fact, he buys the sweets around > here, not me. A pretty lame excuse.
> You haven't seen my cupboards nor have you seen my fridge. No > cookies or brownies here. Just things that are too high Carb for > me. and DH loves his potato chips but hey, let a dying man eat what > he wants you Ignorant fool. I was not even questioning your husband's eating habits, and you call me an ignorant fool for supposedly doing so.
Who is the real fool here Lorelei?
> BTW, what's with the constantly changing ID. I can't keep you > blocked! Instead of blocking me, how about doing something to stop poisoning your children.
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Lorelei - 18 Mar 2004 21:39 GMT "Ignoramus21235" <ignoramus21235@NOSPAM.21235.invalid> wrote in
I see that you are just a nasty person and I am done responding to you. Best of luck on your weight loss journey.
 Signature Lori 220/156/150 LC since 1/17/03 Devoted wife of Curtis, Stage 4 Prostate cancer at age 40 http://community.webshots.com/user/lorismiller-date
Ignoramus21235 - 18 Mar 2004 21:42 GMT > "Ignoramus21235" <ignoramus21235@NOSPAM.21235.invalid> wrote in > > I see that you are just a nasty person and I am done responding to you. Best > of luck on your weight loss journey. Good luck raising kids who will become healthy adults.
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Evelyn Ruut - 19 Mar 2004 00:40 GMT > > BTW, what's with the constantly changing ID. I can't keep you > > blocked! [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > i Ignoramus, I can see why you got your name. I guess you don't realize how it is for a woman who is responsible to feed a family and the kids like an occasional treat. Also not everyone in the house has a genetic predisposition to have a weight problem. Have a heart and don't pick on the woman.
Lorelei, if you have to killfile a meanie now and then, it is worthwhile.
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revek - 19 Mar 2004 04:22 GMT Evelyn Ruut burbled across the ether:
>>> BTW, what's with the constantly changing ID. I can't keep you >>> blocked! NNTP-Posting-Host:68.211* NNTP-Posting-Host:67.33* NNTP-Posting-Host:67.34* NNTP-Posting-Host:68.154* NNTP-Posting-Host:68.158*
One of these will do it. These are MU's posting hosts also, by the way. Get a two for one!
I know that you use OE, and that it doesn't have the ability to kf on posting host, but if you add on NEWSPROXY, you can.
You can get it on my page. www.geocities.com/tanirevek/usefulfiles.html as well as the faq-- including a quickie killfile for crossposts and trolls.
 Signature revek www.geocities.com/tanirevek/LowCarb.html lowcarbing since June 2002 5'2" 41 F 165+/too much/size seven petite please "There are two kinds of people in this world, and I am one of them." - Dave Barry
carla - 19 Mar 2004 13:41 GMT > Instead of blocking me, how about doing something to stop poisoning > your children. Ig, though you sometimes bring an interesting and informative perspective to discussions, you have a way of undermining all of that by occasionally being a raging a.shole.
This is one of those times.
carla
Ignoramus3239 - 19 Mar 2004 15:05 GMT >> Instead of blocking me, how about doing something to stop poisoning >> your children. >> > Ig, though you sometimes bring an interesting and informative perspective to > discussions, you have a way of undermining all of that by occasionally being > a raging a.shole. I agree with you. I just felt very sorry for Lorelei's kids, who not only have bad heredity, but also are fed worst of the worst foods. I hoped that she would listen, but instead, she got angry and went into a denial mode.
> This is one of those times. That's just the way I am carla.
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carla - 20 Mar 2004 16:07 GMT > >> Instead of blocking me, how about doing something to stop poisoning > >> your children. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > I hoped that she would listen, but instead, she got angry and went > into a denial mode. Well, she also stated that she doesn't feed her children cookies and brownies and donuts, rather that they eat some foods that are carbier than she eats - that could mean brown rice or sweet potatoes!
Moreover, Lori's family situation is so stressful right now - her husband is very ill - that I think she should be commended for thinking about a healthy diet at all. I honestly don't think I'd be here worrying about a low carb WOE if I were in Lori's shoes.
> > This is one of those times. > > That's just the way I am carla. I know, and I like you anyhow. ;-)
carla
Ignoramus1871 - 21 Mar 2004 20:35 GMT >> >> Instead of blocking me, how about doing something to stop poisoning >> >> your children. [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > diet at all. I honestly don't think I'd be here worrying about a low carb > WOE if I were in Lori's shoes. Understandable.
>> > This is one of those times. >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > carla (((carla)))
emkay - 19 Mar 2004 04:59 GMT >BTW, what's with the constantly changing ID. I can't keep you blocked! Lori -- I don't use OE, so I don't know if this would apply or not, but his ever-changing names can be easily KF'ed in Agent, using this expression in the kill filter: author: {^Ignoramus}
Em
Anne Lurie - 19 Mar 2004 00:53 GMT Lori,
I have to confess that I never thought of the aspects you pointed out. I had mistakenly assumed that the original poster lived alone.
In my own experience, I have found it's easier for me to deal with the things that I alone crave if I don't buy them in the first place. Oddly enough, my late-night cravings have always been for salty, vinegary tuff -- and these have gone away since I have been doing Atkins. (Now, if I could only find the magic "no-carb" ice cream and the "no-carb" peanuts to go with it, I'd be all set!)
Anne Lurie Raleigh, NC
P. S. {{{Lori}}} I cannot presume to imagine what things are like for you now.
> > I think a good place to stop the brownie etc. problem would be *before* > they [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > of me to not allow them to have their special things in the house. I have to > find things to satisfy me and leave their stuff alone. Lorelei - 19 Mar 2004 02:18 GMT Thanks to all of you who have, and continue to give me support. My DH made an odd comment yesterday, and today. He says I can plump up and then I'll want to stay home. He says it with a grin but he realllllyyy likes to be close to me now that he is sick. and I have pledged myself (Oct 14, 2000) to the whole vow. We are spending lots of fun time together. Matinee movies, I drive him to bowling every other Wednesday. He sponsors my VB team and comes to watch and go out with us on Monday nights. even when he was sick Monday from his treatments (for the bone cancer) he came out after we played. He is cutting out sugar too. Cancer loves sugar is what they tell us. I never thought I'd see him drink a Diet Mountain Dew!. Keep to the WOL that works for you. That is what I am going to do.
 Signature Lori 220/156/150 LC since 1/17/03 Devoted wife of Curtis, Stage 4 Prostate cancer at age 40 http://community.webshots.com/user/lorismiller-date
> Lori, > [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > to > > find things to satisfy me and leave their stuff alone. jpatti - 18 Mar 2004 21:45 GMT > I never ate a Brownie, Cookie, or DOnut for about a year. I broke down 2 > weeks ago and had a brownie 2 weeks ago and now have been eating brownies, > cookies, and donuts. I constantly think about them and binge on them > whenever I am near them. Any suggestions for getting off the craving again. > I eat sugarless jello etc but it doesn't help. Has anyone tried hypnosis? I > am really desparate. Thanks If it were me, I'd be looking at two weeks of induction. That will reduce the cravings once you're done, but you basically just have to suffer through those two weeks to get to the point of brekaing the addiciton again.
IMO, that's a great reason for not going off the wagon... I hate suffering through those two weeks; easier to avoid it in the first place.
The Queen of Cans and Jars - 18 Mar 2004 22:50 GMT > I never ate a Brownie, Cookie, or DOnut for about a year. I broke down 2 > weeks ago and had a brownie 2 weeks ago and now have been eating brownies, > cookies, and donuts. I constantly think about them and binge on them > whenever I am near them. Any suggestions for getting off the craving again. > I eat sugarless jello etc but it doesn't help. Has anyone tried hypnosis? I > am really desparate. Thanks butch up.
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carla - 19 Mar 2004 13:39 GMT > I never ate a Brownie, Cookie, or DOnut for about a year. I broke down 2 > weeks ago and had a brownie 2 weeks ago and now have been eating brownies, > cookies, and donuts. I constantly think about them and binge on them > whenever I am near them. Any suggestions for getting off the craving again. > I eat sugarless jello etc but it doesn't help. Has anyone tried hypnosis? I > am really desparate. Thanks You do not need hypnosis. You simply need to want to be trim more than you want to eat the sweets.
carla
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