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leadpipe - 18 Mar 2004 16:40 GMT
I never ate a Brownie, Cookie, or DOnut for about a year. I broke down 2
weeks ago and had a brownie 2 weeks ago and now have been eating brownies,
cookies, and donuts. I constantly think about them and binge on them
whenever I am near them. Any suggestions for getting off the craving again.
I eat sugarless jello etc but it doesn't help. Has anyone tried hypnosis? I
am really desparate. Thanks
JC Der Koenig - 18 Mar 2004 16:41 GMT
Looks like you want to be fatter. Have fun with it.

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Most of us probably aren't in danger of eating too little. :)

Becky P.

> I never ate a Brownie, Cookie, or DOnut for about a year. I broke down 2
> weeks ago and had a brownie 2 weeks ago and now have been eating brownies,
> cookies, and donuts. I constantly think about them and binge on them
> whenever I am near them. Any suggestions for getting off the craving again.
> I eat sugarless jello etc but it doesn't help. Has anyone tried hypnosis? I
> am really desparate. Thanks
Ignoramus21235 - 18 Mar 2004 16:54 GMT
> I never ate a Brownie, Cookie, or DOnut for about a year. I broke down 2
> weeks ago and had a brownie 2 weeks ago and now have been eating brownies,
> cookies, and donuts. I constantly think about them and binge on them
> whenever I am near them. Any suggestions for getting off the craving again.
> I eat sugarless jello etc but it doesn't help. Has anyone tried hypnosis? I
> am really desparate. Thanks

Have you tried looking in the mirror? Maybe that will help.

Have you had binging problems before?

i
Joan J. - 18 Mar 2004 17:28 GMT
It's all about choices. I've got a 22 yr old daughter in drug rehab. Her
"recovery" has helped me enormously in dealing with my own overeating and
food addictions. It's my CHOICE to put the wrong food in my mouth -- no one
is holding a gun to my head or threatening my life or my family's life and
making me eat the wrong thing. It's my CHOICE to exercise or not, to eat my
veggies or not, to follow Atkins or not. It's your choice too. You are
choosing to eat those brownies, donuts, etc. No one if forcing you to!

If you WANT to get past the cravings, find alternatives that work for you --
ways to keep your hands and mind busy. For me, it's quilting or knitting or
reading. If I can take my mind off food for those few minutes, I can get
past the tough spots. It's all about choice.

Try and take it minute by minute, hour by hour. When your craving hits, set
a timer for 15 minutes and go do something you enjoy. You can do ANYTHING
for 15 minutes! And if you can get through that 15 minutes, try another 15
on the timer! Keep at it until that craving passes. Then PAT YOURSELF ON THE
BACK!

Take it one craving at a time, one minute at a time, one day at a time. You
can do this IF YOU WANT TO.

Good luck,
Joan J

Atkins since 01/24/04
250/221/???

> I never ate a Brownie, Cookie, or DOnut for about a year. I broke down 2
> weeks ago and had a brownie 2 weeks ago and now have been eating brownies,
> cookies, and donuts. I constantly think about them and binge on them
> whenever I am near them. Any suggestions for getting off the craving again.
> I eat sugarless jello etc but it doesn't help. Has anyone tried hypnosis? I
> am really desparate. Thanks
Lorelei - 18 Mar 2004 17:35 GMT
> I never ate a Brownie, Cookie, or DOnut for about a year. I broke down 2
> weeks ago and had a brownie 2 weeks ago and now have been eating brownies,
> cookies, and donuts. I constantly think about them and binge on them
> whenever I am near them. Any suggestions for getting off the craving again.
> I eat sugarless jello etc but it doesn't help. Has anyone tried hypnosis? I
> am really desparate. Thanks

Don't let the resident creeps get you down. Apparently, they are perfect and
never struggle.
After almost a yr and 70 lbs I got lost down the road of SF candy. Russell
Stovers SF toffee sticks. that combined with having to drive DH around for
almost 3 weeks (not having a license didn't stop him from working 50 hr
weeks) That helped me add a lovely 6 lbs. combine that with some Drinkypoo
(diet coke with Vanilla Absolute) (DH has terminal cancer, coping is easier
with the edge off) and those drinks are soooo yummy they must stir up a
sugar craving in me and no real exercise due to the fact that I was driving
all day and waiting in the van while he did bids etc.
I have stopped all SF candy, no coffee unless exercise first, Sf Jello and
SF popsicles if I really need something sweet. and back to Curves.  I have
about 2 more drinks in the freezer and then I put the booze away I plan on
having that off again in no time flat.
SO pick yourself up by the seat of your pants (while you still can) and
break those cravings again. You know how. You've done it before. Lesson
learned for both of us, I'd say.

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Damsel in dis Dress - 18 Mar 2004 18:12 GMT
>After almost a yr and 70 lbs I got lost down the road of SF candy. Russell
>Stovers SF toffee sticks. that combined with having to drive DH around for
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>sugar craving in me and no real exercise due to the fact that I was driving
>all day and waiting in the van while he did bids etc.

Hi Lori,

I admire you so much.  Keeping going (or getting back) on low-carb with all
that's going on in your life.  I didn't know until just now what was
happening with your husband.   I hope you're finding strength in numbers
with your online friends.

Keeping you in my prayers,
Carol
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Type 2 Diabetic since May 15, 2001

Lorelei - 18 Mar 2004 18:41 GMT
> >After almost a yr and 70 lbs I got lost down the road of SF candy. Russell
> >Stovers SF toffee sticks. that combined with having to drive DH around for
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> Keeping you in my prayers,
> Carol

Thanks Carol, I am glad to see you back with your usual loving support to
all. and I see you are making progress! Keep it up! and thanks for your warm
wishes.

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Damsel in dis Dress - 18 Mar 2004 18:04 GMT
>I never ate a Brownie, Cookie, or DOnut for about a year. I broke down 2
>weeks ago and had a brownie 2 weeks ago and now have been eating brownies,
>cookies, and donuts. I constantly think about them and binge on them
>whenever I am near them. Any suggestions for getting off the craving again.
>I eat sugarless jello etc but it doesn't help. Has anyone tried hypnosis? I
>am really desparate. Thanks

I can't give you concrete advice on how to get back on board, but I *can*
tell you that I am, and have always been, addicted to cookies.  I don't
know what it is, but I just love cookies!  A couple days before re-starting
low-carb, I ate an entire 9x13" pan of brownies.  It wasn't worth it.

Please take a look at what happend to me when I let that addiction get the
better of me:
http://photos.yahoo.com/carol_arie

I hope that my miserable experience can inspire you to get back on track.

Best wishes!
Carol
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Evelyn Ruut - 19 Mar 2004 00:40 GMT
> >I never ate a Brownie, Cookie, or DOnut for about a year. I broke down 2
> >weeks ago and had a brownie 2 weeks ago and now have been eating brownies,
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> Best wishes!
> Carol

Last September I took in an exchange student for my Rotary Club.   Naturally
this boy is not going to be eating my low carb WOE, right?   So I bought
bread, cereal, crackers, and the absolutely most delicious chocolate chip
cookies you have ever tasted.   The poor boy shouldn't feel deprived, right?

Well, I got to nicking one of those yummy cookies every day!   I thought it
must have been a chocolate craving, but to tell you the truth, I just loved
those cookies no end!   After the kid moved on to his next host home, I
still kept buying the chocolate chip cookies and eating one every day.

It was a real tough job to walk past those things and NOT buy a package.   I
am finally out of my chocolate chip cookie habit, but I still feel a
magnetic pull every time I go into Sam's Club and see them.   I have to
FIGHT myself not to buy the box and nail one right there in the store!!!!!

You just have to force yourself sometimes.   Especially when it becomes a
habit.

Good Luck and hang in there.   If I did it, so can you.
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Anne Lurie - 19 Mar 2004 01:07 GMT
Evelyn, I can relate to your "generosity"!  When I lived in Vermont, I felt
"obligated" to buy Ben & Jerry's ice cream all the time  --  after all, both
of them lived not so far from me!  And there were also those
conveniently-located B&J stores.

Every time my son would come home from college, I made sure that I had some
B&J on hand "just for him"  --  all in pints, of course, so I could have a
variety.

My son brought me back to reality when he opened the refrigerator freezer
(as opposed to the *real* freezer) and found nothing in it except a few ice
cubes.................... and a lot of B&J ice cream!!!

BTW, speaking of Sam's Club, hubby just bought a "tub" of pork rinds (18
oz.) there.

Anne Lurie
Raleigh, NC

> Last September I took in an exchange student for my Rotary Club.   Naturally
> this boy is not going to be eating my low carb WOE, right?   So I bought
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>
> Good Luck and hang in there.   If I did it, so can you.
Cubit - 18 Mar 2004 20:40 GMT
I've never binged.  However, for me, the reduction of carbs to less than 50
or 20 per day for a month caused a reduction in desire for carb based foods
of all kinds.  My guess is that it was not just the brownie that caused your
cravings.  You may have been eating enough carbs to switch back to a carb
based metabolism and the carb cravings come with it.

Use FitDay to track your carbs.  I'll bet the brownies are not the only
problem.

Hypnosis is a very powerful technique.  The trick might be finding a
hypnotist who believes in low carb.

Cubit
308/263.5/165

Note: "BCD" is Binary Coded Decimal.

> I never ate a Brownie, Cookie, or DOnut for about a year. I broke down 2
> weeks ago and had a brownie 2 weeks ago and now have been eating brownies,
> cookies, and donuts. I constantly think about them and binge on them
> whenever I am near them. Any suggestions for getting off the craving again.
> I eat sugarless jello etc but it doesn't help. Has anyone tried hypnosis? I
> am really desparate. Thanks
Cailleachschilde - 19 Mar 2004 04:00 GMT
> My guess is that it was not just the brownie that caused your
>cravings.  You may have been eating enough carbs to switch back to a carb
>based metabolism and the carb cravings come with it.
>
>Use FitDay to track your carbs.  I'll bet the brownies are not the only
>problem.

>Cubit

It sure can be just the brownies.  Last week I had some pineapple.  It set up a
sugar craving all day.  No more pineapple for me, not even a small amount.  All
it takes is one food.

Yvonne
Anne Lurie - 18 Mar 2004 20:56 GMT
I think a good place to stop the brownie etc. problem would be *before* they
get in the door!

Avoid the grocery aisles where you buy these things  --  if they are not in
your house, you can't eat them.

Just a thought,

Anne Lurie

> I never ate a Brownie, Cookie, or DOnut for about a year. I broke down 2
> weeks ago and had a brownie 2 weeks ago and now have been eating brownies,
> cookies, and donuts. I constantly think about them and binge on them
> whenever I am near them. Any suggestions for getting off the craving again.
> I eat sugarless jello etc but it doesn't help. Has anyone tried hypnosis? I
> am really desparate. Thanks
Lorelei - 18 Mar 2004 21:18 GMT
> I think a good place to stop the brownie etc. problem would be *before* they
> get in the door!
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Anne Lurie

I live with 3 guys. My DH Curt (40) who works a very physical job with a
rough boss (himself : )   an athletic 12 yr old and a rambunctious 3 yr old.
They like to have certain things in the house for them. It would be unfair
of me to not allow them to have their special things in the house. I have to
find things to satisfy me and leave their stuff alone.

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back on course 3/15/04
Devoted wife of Curtis, Stage 4 Prostate cancer at age 40
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Ignoramus21235 - 18 Mar 2004 21:22 GMT
> I live with 3 guys. My DH Curt (40) who works a very physical job with a
> rough boss (himself : )   an athletic 12 yr old and a rambunctious 3 yr old.
> They like to have certain things in the house for them. It would be unfair
> of me to not allow them to have their special things in the house. I have to
> find things to satisfy me and leave their stuff alone.

I am sorry for your kids. Not only they have bad heredity, but you are
also feeding them the worst food imaginable. If they are slim now, it
is not a good excuse to ruin their health with brownies and cookies.

i
Lorelei - 18 Mar 2004 21:28 GMT
> > I live with 3 guys. My DH Curt (40) who works a very physical job with a
> > rough boss (himself : )   an athletic 12 yr old and a rambunctious 3 yr old.
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> i

I am sorry that your are Ignorant. They do not have bad heredity, I had bad
habits.

and guess what? they are all capable of feeding themselves. Well, DH may
become completely dependent on care someday but until then he can still heft
a fork, In fact, he buys the sweets around here, not me.
You haven't seen my cupboards nor have you seen my fridge. No cookies or
brownies here. Just things that are too high Carb for me. and DH loves his
potato chips but hey, let a dying man eat what he wants you Ignorant fool.
BTW, what's with the constantly changing ID. I can't keep you blocked!
Ignoramus21235 - 18 Mar 2004 21:36 GMT
>> In article <fun6c.46922$aT1.25243@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
> Lorelei wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> I am sorry that your are Ignorant. They do not have bad heredity, I had bad
> habits.

Well, so you are passing these bad habits to your kids,
congratulations. As for heredity, even some junk food eaters do not
get fat, so, since you did get fat, you do have bad"predisposition" to
being fat.

> and guess what? they are all capable of feeding themselves.

no doubt your 3 year old can go shpoping for himself/herself.

> Well, DH may become completely dependent on care someday but until
> then he can still heft a fork,

I was  not questioning your husband's eating.

> In fact, he buys the sweets around
> here, not me.

A pretty lame excuse.

> You haven't seen my cupboards nor have you seen my fridge. No
> cookies or brownies here. Just things that are too high Carb for
> me. and DH loves his potato chips but hey, let a dying man eat what
> he wants you Ignorant fool.

I was not even questioning your husband's eating habits, and you call
me an ignorant fool for supposedly doing so.

Who is the real fool here Lorelei?

> BTW, what's with the constantly changing ID. I can't keep you
> blocked!

Instead of blocking me, how about doing something to stop poisoning
your children.

i
Lorelei - 18 Mar 2004 21:39 GMT
"Ignoramus21235" <ignoramus21235@NOSPAM.21235.invalid> wrote in

I see that you are just a nasty person and I am done responding to you. Best
of luck on your weight loss journey.

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Ignoramus21235 - 18 Mar 2004 21:42 GMT
> "Ignoramus21235" <ignoramus21235@NOSPAM.21235.invalid> wrote in
>
> I see that you are just a nasty person and I am done responding to you. Best
> of luck on your weight loss journey.

Good luck raising kids who will become healthy adults.

i
Evelyn Ruut - 19 Mar 2004 00:40 GMT
> > BTW, what's with the constantly changing ID. I can't keep you
> > blocked!
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> i

Ignoramus, I can see why you got your name.   I guess you don't realize how
it is for a woman who is responsible to feed a family and the kids like an
occasional treat.   Also not everyone in the house has a genetic
predisposition to have a weight problem.   Have a heart and don't pick on
the woman.

Lorelei, if you have to killfile a meanie now and then, it is worthwhile.

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revek - 19 Mar 2004 04:22 GMT
Evelyn Ruut  burbled across the ether:

>>> BTW, what's with the constantly changing ID. I can't keep you
>>> blocked!

NNTP-Posting-Host:68.211*
NNTP-Posting-Host:67.33*
NNTP-Posting-Host:67.34*
NNTP-Posting-Host:68.154*
NNTP-Posting-Host:68.158*

One of these will do it.  These are MU's posting hosts also, by the way.
Get a two for one!

I know that you use OE, and that it doesn't have the ability to kf on
posting host, but if you add on NEWSPROXY, you can.

You can get it on my page. www.geocities.com/tanirevek/usefulfiles.html
as well as the faq-- including a quickie killfile for crossposts and
trolls.

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carla - 19 Mar 2004 13:41 GMT
> Instead of blocking me, how about doing something to stop poisoning
> your children.

Ig, though you sometimes bring an interesting and informative perspective to
discussions, you have a way of undermining all of that by occasionally being
a raging a.shole.

This is one of those times.

carla
Ignoramus3239 - 19 Mar 2004 15:05 GMT
>> Instead of blocking me, how about doing something to stop poisoning
>> your children.
>>
> Ig, though you sometimes bring an interesting and informative perspective to
> discussions, you have a way of undermining all of that by occasionally being
> a raging a.shole.

I agree with you. I just felt very sorry for Lorelei's kids, who not
only have bad heredity, but also are fed worst of the worst foods.
I hoped that she would listen, but instead, she got angry and went
into a denial mode.

> This is one of those times.

That's just the way I am carla.

i
carla - 20 Mar 2004 16:07 GMT
> >> Instead of blocking me, how about doing something to stop poisoning
> >> your children.
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> I hoped that she would listen, but instead, she got angry and went
> into a denial mode.

Well, she also stated that she doesn't feed her children cookies and
brownies and donuts, rather that they eat some foods that are carbier than
she eats - that could mean brown rice or sweet potatoes!

Moreover, Lori's family situation is so stressful right now - her husband is
very ill - that I think she should be commended for thinking about a healthy
diet at all.  I honestly don't think I'd be here worrying about a low carb
WOE if I were in Lori's shoes.

> > This is one of those times.
>
> That's just the way I am carla.

I know, and I like you anyhow.  ;-)

carla
Ignoramus1871 - 21 Mar 2004 20:35 GMT
>> >> Instead of blocking me, how about doing something to stop poisoning
>> >> your children.
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> diet at all.  I honestly don't think I'd be here worrying about a low carb
> WOE if I were in Lori's shoes.

Understandable.

>> > This is one of those times.
>>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> carla

(((carla)))
emkay - 19 Mar 2004 04:59 GMT
>BTW, what's with the constantly changing ID. I can't keep you blocked!

Lori -- I don't use OE, so I don't know if this would apply or not, but his
ever-changing names can be easily KF'ed in Agent, using this expression in
the kill filter:
author: {^Ignoramus}

Em
Anne Lurie - 19 Mar 2004 00:53 GMT
Lori,

I have to confess that I never thought of the aspects you pointed out.  I
had mistakenly assumed that the original poster lived alone.

In my own experience, I have found it's easier for me to deal with the
things that I alone crave if I don't buy them in the first place.  Oddly
enough, my late-night cravings have always been for salty, vinegary
tuff  --  and these have gone away since I have been doing Atkins.  (Now, if
I could only find the magic "no-carb" ice cream and the "no-carb" peanuts to
go with it, I'd be all set!)

Anne Lurie
Raleigh, NC

P. S.  {{{Lori}}}  I cannot presume to imagine what things are like for you
now.

> > I think a good place to stop the brownie etc. problem would be *before*
> they
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> of me to not allow them to have their special things in the house. I have to
> find things to satisfy me and leave their stuff alone.
Lorelei - 19 Mar 2004 02:18 GMT
Thanks to all of you who have, and continue to give me support. My DH made
an odd comment yesterday, and today. He says I can plump up and then I'll
want to stay home. He says it with a grin but he realllllyyy likes to be
close to me now that he is sick. and I have pledged myself (Oct 14, 2000) to
the whole vow. We are spending lots of fun time together. Matinee movies, I
drive him to bowling every other Wednesday. He sponsors my VB team and comes
to watch and go out with us on Monday nights. even when he was sick Monday
from his treatments (for the bone cancer) he came out after we played.  He
is cutting out sugar too. Cancer loves sugar is what they tell us. I never
thought I'd see him drink a Diet Mountain Dew!.
Keep to the WOL that works for you. That is what I am going to do.

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> Lori,
>
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> to
> > find things to satisfy me and leave their stuff alone.
jpatti - 18 Mar 2004 21:45 GMT
> I never ate a Brownie, Cookie, or DOnut for about a year. I broke down 2
> weeks ago and had a brownie 2 weeks ago and now have been eating brownies,
> cookies, and donuts. I constantly think about them and binge on them
> whenever I am near them. Any suggestions for getting off the craving again.
> I eat sugarless jello etc but it doesn't help. Has anyone tried hypnosis? I
> am really desparate. Thanks

If it were me, I'd be looking at two weeks of induction.  That will
reduce the cravings once you're done, but you basically just have to
suffer through those two weeks to get to the point of brekaing the
addiciton again.

IMO, that's a great reason for not going off the wagon... I hate
suffering through those two weeks; easier to avoid it in the first
place.
The Queen of Cans and Jars - 18 Mar 2004 22:50 GMT
> I never ate a Brownie, Cookie, or DOnut for about a year. I broke down 2
> weeks ago and had a brownie 2 weeks ago and now have been eating brownies,
> cookies, and donuts. I constantly think about them and binge on them
> whenever I am near them. Any suggestions for getting off the craving again.
> I eat sugarless jello etc but it doesn't help. Has anyone tried hypnosis? I
> am really desparate. Thanks

butch up.

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carla - 19 Mar 2004 13:39 GMT
> I never ate a Brownie, Cookie, or DOnut for about a year. I broke down 2
> weeks ago and had a brownie 2 weeks ago and now have been eating brownies,
> cookies, and donuts. I constantly think about them and binge on them
> whenever I am near them. Any suggestions for getting off the craving again.
> I eat sugarless jello etc but it doesn't help. Has anyone tried hypnosis? I
> am really desparate. Thanks

You do not need hypnosis.  You simply need to want to be trim more than you
want to eat the sweets.

carla
 
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