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Weight Loss Forum / Low Carb / March 2004Angry lady at work
So there I was sat in the staff room at work, chatting with a Atkins curious colleague, when someone else over heard. No problem, we started talking about Atkins, and considering that I have lost a fair chunk of weight, I'm kind of the in house expert (I work in a pharmacy). Suddenly my second colleague started raising her voice saying "Atkins people live on saussages and fry all of their food. Whats so wrong with potatoes?" she was all of a sudden REALLY angry, I was waiting for her to bang her fist on the table. HMM. There were other things said but I'm sure that you all get the gist here. I had to get up and leave because I neither felt that she had the right to try and convince me how to eat or that she had the right have me justify my choice of lifestyle. I had three things to say too her, I will say them to you all here as I didn't want to start arguing with the lady who is responsible for payrole! Firstly, for a lady who feels the need to put down Atkins way of eating, she ought to actually read the book, then she might actually know what is wrong with potatoes. Secondly, low fat isn't exactly working for her. I'm no stick insect, but she is, how shall I say, um further round than I am. Thirdly, what the hell is this about "Atkins people" eating sausages. I guess she missed the part about me being mostly vegetarian, and on some days piecitarian (tuna when I'm lazy). I havn't eaten a sausage since I was 12! Sorry folks, needed to vent that one. Kaye You should have smacked her upside the head.  SignatureMost of us probably aren't in danger of eating too little. :) Becky P. > So there I was sat in the staff room at work, chatting with a Atkins curious > colleague, when someone else over heard. [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > Kaye > You should have smacked her upside the head. Her paycheck may have been messed up after that. She should have hired a hit man. Marsha/Ohio > > You should have smacked her upside the head. > > > Her paycheck may have been messed up after that. She should > have hired a hit man. Couldn't you tell by her seething resentment that she would never kowtow for a paltry payday? >>>You should have smacked her upside the head. >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Couldn't you tell by her seething resentment that she would never kowtow for > a paltry payday? Yeah. That's why she verbalized her "replies" on the newsgroup instead of carrying out what she really wanted to do. Marsha/Ohio How about just calmly, in a very low voice, asking her why she is so angry. I used to work for the IRS and found that the best way to deal with angry people is to talk very calmly and softly. Raising your voice to their level just escalates things. In news:IfCdnYWn_ujv38fdRVn-jg@buckeye-express.com, Marsha <mas@sev.org> stated || You should have smacked her upside the head. || | Her paycheck may have been messed up after that. She should | have hired a hit man. | | Marsha/Ohio Escalation is a good thing. SignatureMost of us probably aren't in danger of eating too little. :) Becky P. > How about just calmly, in a very low voice, asking her why she is so angry. > I used to work for the IRS and found that the best way to deal with angry [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > | > | Marsha/Ohio > Escalation is a good thing. Like as in LBJ? >> How about just calmly, in a very low voice, asking her why she is so >> angry. I used to work for the IRS and found that the best way to [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >>> >>> Marsha/Ohio > How about just calmly, in a very low voice, asking her why she is so angry. > I used to work for the IRS and found that the best way to deal with angry > people is to talk very calmly and softly. Raising your voice to their level > just escalates things. a soft answer turneth away wrath? Pat in TX just like dealing with children throwing a temper tantrum then ! -- Jules I want to be the best me possible > How about just calmly, in a very low voice, asking her why she is so angry. > I used to work for the IRS and found that the best way to deal with angry [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > | > | Marsha/Ohio Only with the kids you can't walk out of the room lest they break something that you need. Just as a PS, Angry lady only messed up half of my pay cheque. Mind you being paid at all..... Kaye just like dealing with children throwing a temper tantrum then ! -- Jules I want to be the best me possible > How about just calmly, in a very low voice, asking her why she is so angry. > I used to work for the IRS and found that the best way to deal with angry > people is to talk very calmly and softly. Raising your voice to their level > just escalates things. > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > | > | Marsha/Ohio > Only with the kids you can't walk out of the room lest they break > something that you need. And what's to stop a vindictive adult from doing that? > Just as a PS, Angry lady only messed up half of my pay cheque. Mind > you being paid at all..... True. I got me first paycheck since going back to work. I worked half of last week and all this week and was supposed to get both weeks on one check. Did that happen? Nope. Got the half week at least. -- revek 'And I, of course, am innocent of all but malice.' - Fiona, Sign of the Unicorn, by Roger Zelazny >True. I got me first paycheck since going back to work. I worked >half of last week and all this week and was supposed to get both weeks >on one check. Did that happen? Nope. Got the half week at least. Pay periods usually end a week before payday. Not on payday. You'll get it next time, don't worry. LCing since 12/01/03- Me- 5'7" 265/219/140 & hubby- 6' 310/239/180 LCer09 burbled across the ether: >> True. I got me first paycheck since going back to work. I worked >> half of last week and all this week and was supposed to get both [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Pay periods usually end a week before payday. Not on payday. You'll > get it next time, don't worry. Not at this place. I thought it was odd myself, but it seems to work mostly. (Payroll guy is actually another company, and he was told about combining last week and this week, but he misunderstood). Signaturerevek www.geocities.com/tanirevek/LowCarb.html lowcarbing since June 2002 5'2" 41 F 165+/too much/size seven petite please One tequila, two tequila, three tequila, floor. > How about just calmly, in a very low voice, asking her why she is so angry. well jc? how about it? (in a whisper) why are you so angry? I'm angry because your god lets little children be victimized. > > How about just calmly, in a very low voice, asking her why she is so angry. > > well jc? how about it? > > (in a whisper) why are you so angry? > I'm angry because your god lets little children be victimized. This from a bully? Most of us probably aren't in danger of making false excuses. >> "FOB" <fob@fobmail.com> wrote in message > news:<w3t6c.13474$t16.7835510@newssvr28.news.prodigy.com>... [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >> >> (in a whisper) why are you so angry? Did your dad drop you on your head after he was done feminizing you? Signaturebi-kev probably isn't in danger of butching up... at all. > > I'm angry because your god lets little children be victimized. > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >> > >> (in a whisper) why are you so angry? > Did your dad drop you on your head after he was done feminizing you? C'm on JC. You can tell us. Why the tough guy image? What are you hiding? Did someone try to "feminise" you? Most of us probably aren't in danger of coming out of the closet. >>> I'm angry because your god lets little children be victimized. >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >>>> >>>> (in a whisper) why are you so angry? Great. I've got another tick attached to me. SignatureMost of us probably aren't in danger of eating too little. :) Becky P. > > Did your dad drop you on your head after he was done feminizing you? > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > >>>> > >>>> (in a whisper) why are you so angry? > Great. I've got another tick attached to me. But these two don't make your skin itch for weeks to the point you want to cut it off, and no chance of lyme disease. Besides, you like the attention. :) -- revek "A new study shows that licking the sweat off a frog can cure depression. The down side is, the minute you stop licking, the frog gets depressed again." - Jay Leno > > Great. I've got another tick attached to me. > > But these two don't make your skin itch for weeks to the point you > want to cut it off, and no chance of lyme disease. Besides, you like > the attention. :) ;-) > Great. I've got another tick attached to me. ....sending you some Advantage Flea and Tick medication. Marsha/Ohio > > Great. I've got another tick attached to me. > > ....sending you some Advantage Flea and Tick medication. Much obliged, I'm sure. > Great. I've got another tick attached to me. I'll drop off when I'm satiated. >>> Did your dad drop you on your head after he was done feminizing you? >> [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >>>>>> >>>>>> (in a whisper) why are you so angry? >>Great. I've got another tick attached to me. > > I'll drop off when I'm satiated. Is blood low carb? Marsha/Ohio > >>Great. I've got another tick attached to me. > > > > I'll drop off when I'm satiated. > > Is blood low carb? Absolutely. > "Marsha" <mas@sev.org> wrote in message >>Is blood low carb? >> > Absolutely. Got any recipes? Marsha/Ohio > > "Marsha" <mas@sev.org> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Marsha/Ohio Take a steak. Grill it just enough so it quits mooing. > Take a steak. Grill it just enough so it quits mooing. Okay, I'm hungry now. Going to eat. Marsha/Ohio >>>> Great. I've got another tick attached to me. >>> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Absolutely. I'll stick around a bit longer then. >> I'm angry because your god lets little children be victimized. > > This from a bully? You've been trolled. -- revek Just because you have a mind like a hammer doesn't mean you should treat everyone else like a nail - Terry Pratchett, Only You Can Save Mankind >>> I'm angry because your god lets little children be victimized. >> >> This from a bully? > > You've been trolled. Nah! He's just an amateur. Trolls attempt to divide a group. He just wants to dominate it and work out his frustrations on others. kev the tic > You should have smacked her upside the head. Aha! Escalation! Most of us probably aren't in danger of propogating violence. >> So there I was sat in the staff room at work, chatting with a Atkins >> curious colleague, when someone else over heard. [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] >> >> Kaye It's the American way. You don't have to like it. > > You should have smacked her upside the head. > [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > >> > >> Kaye > It's the American way. Nope. It's *your* way. Short on resources are we? >>> You should have smacked her upside the head. >> [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] >>>> >>>> Kaye >Nope. It's *your* way. Short on resources are we? Are you going to continue replying to the jerkwad? Some of us are killfiling those who keep doing it. -- Jean M. New food of the week: water chestnuts Do away with flipfloping to e-mail. >> Nope. It's *your* way. Short on resources are we? > > Are you going to continue replying to the jerkwad? As and when I feel like, sorry. I've lurked here a long while and the jerk has cost this ng members.......members who were not only looking for support, but likely could have provided it. >Some of us are > killfiling those who keep doing it. Your perogative but I can't figure why? Someone fronts up to the loud-mouthed jerk and you killfile 'em? Ah well <sigh > >> Nope. It's *your* way. Short on resources are we? > > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > jerk has cost this ng members.......members who were not only looking > for support, but likely could have provided it. anyone who can't figure out a) how not to read someone's posts and b) how to post their own thoughts and feelings without first filtering them through JC doesn't belong on usenet. > >Some of us are > > killfiling those who keep doing it. > > Your perogative but I can't figure why? Someone fronts up to the > loud-mouthed jerk and you killfile 'em? Ah well <sigh> she doesn't want to read JC's posts, not even secondhand. you're making that difficult for her by replying to him. is that hard for you to understand? it seems pretty simple to me. >>>> Nope. It's *your* way. Short on resources are we? >>> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > anyone who can't figure out a) how not to read someone's posts Newbies don't know *who* they're reading. They come here for support and some are immediately met with belittlement. Agreed, if they don't killfile once they have "sorted the wheat from the chaff" then that's their problem. and b) > how to post their own thoughts and feelings without first filtering > them through JC doesn't belong on usenet. I'm not really with you on the above? Are you saying that if someone takes umbrage at an offensive reply, then they shouldn't be on usenet? >>> Some of us are >>> killfiling those who keep doing it. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > she doesn't want to read JC's posts, not even secondhand. you're > making that difficult for her by replying to him. That's on old one that doesn't hold water. When you start to read a thread, the posters are shown at the top of the post so there is no need to read on if the poster is an annoyance to you. One of the arguments against top posting is that this doesn't happen and unfortunately JC top posts so I'll meet you halfway on that one :-) >is that hard for > you to understand? See above >it seems pretty simple to me. My viewpoint seems pretty simple to me also. > >>>> Nope. It's *your* way. Short on resources are we? > >>> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > killfile once they have "sorted the wheat from the chaff" then that's > their problem. if all they were greeted with was belittlement, that would be a valid argument. but since lots of other people offer lots of other kinds of posts, many of which are "supportive," it doesn't wash. anyone who allows themself to be chased away by one bad apple doesn't have what it takes to survive in the anarchic world of usenet. > > and b) how to post their own thoughts and feelings without first > > filtering them through JC doesn't belong on usenet. > > I'm not really with you on the above? Are you saying that if someone > takes umbrage at an offensive reply, then they shouldn't be on usenet? if they can't figure out how to post whatever they feel like posting despite the existence of meanyheads, then yeah - they don't belong on usenet. people are offended by all kinds of things. but no one is forcing anyone to read offensive posts. it's a personal choice, easily within everyone's control. don't like JC? don't open his posts. mark them read. killfile him. ignore him. some people feel strongly enough about it that they don't even want to read his stuff secondhand. that's their choice. if they want to killfile you for responding to him, that's also their choice. no one has to read anything they don't want to read, regardless of what you think of their reasons for it. > >>> Some of us are killfiling those who keep doing it. > >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > against top posting is that this doesn't happen and unfortunately JC top > posts so I'll meet you halfway on that one :-) not everyone is using the same newsreader or the same newsserver. news looks different and functions differently for everyone. maybe when *you* start to read a thread the posters are shown at the top, but it's not that way for everyone. > > is that hard for you to understand? > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > My viewpoint seems pretty simple to me also. okay then :) >>>>>> Nope. It's *your* way. Short on resources are we? >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > allows themself to be chased away by one bad apple doesn't have what > it takes to survive in the anarchic world of usenet. Anyone who can't swim doesn't have what it takes to survive in the water, but I wouldn't let them drown. >>> and b) how to post their own thoughts and feelings without first >>> filtering them through JC doesn't belong on usenet. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > if they can't figure out how to post whatever they feel like posting And that is a "failing" of many people but it doesn't mean that they should be "thrown to the wolves". I would hazard a guess that there may be many people here with self-esteem problems who are less likely to be able to defend themselves against those who think that they're "god's gift" because they've acheived, whereas others may be failing. Yes, they can killfile but my experience in other groups has me believe that many first-time posters who are met with derisory comments simply do not post again and therby don't receive the support that they need. Because they're considered "weak", does that mean that they should just be "let go"? That they don't belong here? It's your right to beleive that, but me, I'd rather help anyone than "walk away". > despite the existence of meanyheads, then yeah - they don't belong on > usenet. So the kid that's bullied in the playground shouldn't be in the playground? > people are offended by all kinds of things. but no one is forcing > anyone to read offensive posts. Ecxactly. I'm not forcing anyone to read mine. If they don't like what I say, then they can killfile. I just don't understand the reasoning behind it as I illustrated. >it's a personal choice, easily within > everyone's control. don't like JC? I haven't said that. I have been taught to dislike behaviours, not neccessarily the people with those behaviours >don't open his posts. That's rather dictatorial isn't it? I wouldn't presume to tell *anyone* what they should or shouldn't read here. >mark them > read. killfile him. ignore him. No! *My* choice. I don't like bullying behaviour, but I recognise the right of others here to say that they are amused by him, that he "tells it like it is", or whatever, although I don't understand why? IMHO it's plain and simple bullying and I shall respond accordingly, as and when I like. > some people feel strongly enough about it that they don't even want to > read his stuff secondhand. that's their choice. I haven't said that it isn't. You haven't addressed the point that they *don't* have to read it secondhand, just because someone responds. >if they want to > killfile you for responding to him, that's also their choice. Agreed. >no one > has to read anything they don't want to read, regardless of what you > think of their reasons for it. Agreed, I have simply stated that they don't *have to* read secondhand simply because someone responds. The posters are clearly shown at the top of the posts and readers have no need to read further than that to see that the post is addressing someone that they have killfiled. <snip> kev the stubborn The point is that he feeds off your responses. If EVERYONE would ignore him he would get bored and leave. In news:c3fr19$28g59t$1@ID-144939.news.uni-berlin.de, bidkev <bidkev@iprimus.com.au> stated | Your perogative but I can't figure why? Someone fronts up to the | loud-mouthed jerk and you killfile 'em? Ah well <sigh > The point is that he feeds off your responses. No he doesn't. He can't even find an answer to some of them. One line "flippancies and dismissals" is all he is capable of. He feeds simply, (as simpletons do), off his bullying and his self-perceived status. A lack of response would make him go away? He is so up himself that I doubt it. >If EVERYONE would > ignore him he would get bored and leave. Like the schoolyard thug? The best response to bullies is to stand up to them, and yes, that's all I see his responses as, bullying. "Boot camp philosophy" of "being cruel to be kind" (if that's what some posters attribute to his responses) is hogwash. > In news:c3fr19$28g59t$1@ID-144939.news.uni-berlin.de, > bidkev <bidkev@iprimus.com.au> stated >> >> Your perogative but I can't figure why? Someone fronts up to the >> loud-mouthed jerk and you killfile 'em? Ah well <sigh Yeah, baby! SignatureMost of us probably aren't in danger of eating too little. :) Becky P. > The point is that he feeds off your responses. If EVERYONE would ignore him > he would get bored and leave. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > | Your perogative but I can't figure why? Someone fronts up to the > | loud-mouthed jerk and you killfile 'em? Ah well <sigh > You should have smacked her upside the head. With a sausage?? LOL BJ I tell all the detractors that my doctor told me to eat low carb.... and he did. That usually shuts them up. SignatureEvelyn (To reply to me personally, remove sox) > > You should have smacked her upside the head. > > With a sausage?? LOL BJ Got to say Kaye, the woman sounds very closed minded. And you are my inspiration for using Atkins, I can see it works without sausages !!! -- Jules I want to be the best me possible > So there I was sat in the staff room at work, chatting with a Atkins curious > colleague, when someone else over heard. [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > Kaye The only thing I can think to have said is "I'm sorry, but you've been misinformed. We don't eat like that at all." Don't offer to explain, she'll ask if she cares. I did something similar to one of my docs once. When she found out I was doing Atkins, she had the usual response. All I did was tell her what I had to eat the previous day, and she was shocked at how different it was from her expectations. > The only thing I can think to have said is "I'm sorry, but you've been > misinformed. We don't eat like that at all." Don't offer to explain, [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > what I had to eat the previous day, and she was shocked at how > different it was from her expectations. That's right. Kill them with facts!!! Marsha/Ohio >> The only thing I can think to have said is "I'm sorry, but you've been >> misinformed. We don't eat like that at all." Don't offer to explain, [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >That's right. Kill them with facts!!! When my chiropractor learned I was doing Atkins he kept handing me anti-Atkins articles (all erroneous, of course). I responded by giving him pro-Atkins and other low carb articles. Now he just remarks on how skinny I'm getting. Teach them one at a time. Who knows, it might catch on <tongue firmly in cheek> Yvonne > The only thing I can think to have said is "I'm sorry, but you've been > misinformed. We don't eat like that at all." Don't offer to explain, [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > what I had to eat the previous day, and she was shocked at how > different it was from her expectations. DJ makes a great point--when one really describes a healthy Atkins menu, it kind of sets the "they only eat sausages" people back on their heels. T. Every time they show anything on TV about Atkins they always show pans of bacon, sausage and steak cooking like that all we eat. I eat more veggies on Atkins than I did before. Ah, the closeminded. I first did Atkins in the 70's. Still have my tattered paperback of the original book. The diet never fails me, though I have failed the diet. Tell a person you had green beans, a chicken breast and some cottage cheese for dinner last night and they'll praise your choices. Tell them you do Atkins and they'll let you know your cancer death is only minutes away. Ignorace isn't bliss-it's stupidity. Robert > The only thing I can think to have said is "I'm sorry, but you've been > misinformed. We don't eat like that at all." Don't offer to explain, [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > what I had to eat the previous day, and she was shocked at how > different it was from her expectations. > From: Robert (Sat, 20 Mar 2004 15:58:43 GMT) > MsgId: <TSZ6c.30609$%06.6567@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net> > > I first did Atkins in the 70's. Still have my tattered > paperback of the original book. The diet never fails me, > though I have failed the diet. I'm curious as to why people stop eating "right". Any feedback? Did you miss certain foods, find it inconvenient to stick with, etc.? I understand temporary "setbacks" (I don't really see them as setbacks at all, but as part of the overall WOE), but I am curious as to some of the psychological factors that would cause us (any of us) to go extended periods eating in a way we know isn't good for us. There has to be some short-term payoff to saying "screw it, I'm eating whatever I want" even if it doesn't meet our long-term goals. >> From: Robert (Sat, 20 Mar 2004 15:58:43 GMT) >>MsgId: <TSZ6c.30609$%06.6567@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > I'm curious as to why people stop eating "right". Any feedback? Did you > miss certain foods, find it inconvenient to stick with, etc.? Bear in mind I was young and stupid. Which doesn't explain any subsequent failures in my yo-yo world. Basically, I lost the weight, felt and looked pretty good, and said, "Let's have ice cream." I did not internalize it as a way of life and returned to eating candy bars, two burgers and fries, lots of sugared cokes. It's the demon sugar I tells ya. Basically, I'm an addict and my drug is sugar. > I understand temporary "setbacks" (I don't really see them as setbacks at > all, but as part of the overall WOE), but I am curious as to some of the > psychological factors that would cause us (any of us) to go extended > periods eating in a way we know isn't good for us. There has to be some > short-term payoff to saying "screw it, I'm eating whatever I want" even if > it doesn't meet our long-term goals. I think the "cheat day" can be important, but also dangerous. Body for Life espouses a cheat day, but admonishes not to eat everything in sight. My problem of course is that it can set off binges. Coming off induction last night I had some fruit. Just a couple of grapes and a cubic inch of pineapple. And an hour later in classic Carbohydrate Addicts form (yes, read the Hellers' book too) I was prowling the kitchen. Thankfully it was for more fruit and I managed to fight that down and just head to bed. Result at weigh in today...down 12 pounds in two weeks and not all sugared up. (in the words of Bruce Banner "You wouldn't like me when I'm sugared up." I realized I veered off from a true reply to your second paragraph, but confessions good for the soul. Robert >> From: Robert (Sat, 20 Mar 2004 15:58:43 GMT) >> MsgId: <TSZ6c.30609$%06.6567@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net> >> >> I first did Atkins in the 70's. Still have my tattered >> paperback of the original book. The diet never fails me, >> though I have failed the diet. I don't have that book any more, and I'm really missing the recipe for Italian pot roast that was in the back. Fabulous! Would someone who has the original book please post it? ---- Face your fears. Live your dreams. Tell her to eat s**t. No carbs. CM > So there I was sat in the staff room at work, chatting with a Atkins curious > colleague, when someone else over heard. [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > Kaye Oh but if you're taking carb blockers it's going to be FULL of carbs, *giggle* Teeb > Tell her to eat s**t. No carbs. > [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > > > > Kaye I run into these jerks sometimes. They inveriably attest that "Atkins doesn't work" it has "too much meat" or "too much fat" or something. You can tell right off they don't know what they are talking about. They obviously have never read the book or actually practiced the diet. They just like to argue, I think. I don't indulge them. (P.S. They are almost always seriously overweight.) > So there I was sat in the staff room at work, chatting with a Atkins curious > colleague, when someone else over heard. [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > Kaye > (P.S. They are almost > always seriously overweight.) Sounds like you hit the nail on the head. They say "Misery loves company". There are such a thing as foul-weather friends. There will always be those people who want you to remain poor, fat, uneducated, or whatever it is you want to change - in other words, they want you to stay just like them. It could be anything. Frequently there's a lot of jealousy when one person starts to get ahead. My mom found her single friends totally cold-shouldering her when she got married!! I had a very heavy friend who gets very angry whenever it came up that I was trying to lose weight - since I am not as heavy as she is (I want to lose about 35 lbs) she said, "Fat people really hate it when thin people want to lose weight!!" and went on about how I was hurting her feelings. It had nothing to do with her. I wasn't telling HER to lose weight - I figure that's a decision a person has to make on their own. I was just expressing that *I* wanted to. But also having had experience in the past of being a vegetarian, I can tell you that whenever you talk about your diet there are going to be those who take it as a personal attack. They get defensive. IE. If YOU are Atkins, it means you think THEY shouldn't eat carbs. If YOU are a vegetarian, it means THEY need to defend their meat eating - even if you didn't do anything but say "I am a vegetarian". >chaosphaere@hotmail.com (wilson) writes: >I had a very heavy friend who gets very angry whenever it came up that >I was trying to lose weight - since I am not as heavy as she is (I [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >lose weight - I figure that's a decision a person has to make on their >own. I was just expressing that *I* wanted to. Aaarrrggghhh! I hate when this happens! My two best friends are both heavy -- one is about 80 pounds overweight, and the other is at least 150 pounds overweight. I only told the first one I was trying to lose weight after she told me she was going on a diet if she could stay off cigarettes for three months (and she's almost there). The second one has been on a lot of business trips lately, so we haven't gotten together for a few weeks. When we do, I may not say anything to her about the diet. She's really sensitive about her weight, and she reacted quite badly when a mutual friend encouraged her to exercise. I know she's an adult and all that, and no relationship is conflict-free, but I just don't want to deal with it. I'd like to get past feeling that way, but I don't want to say something that she'll react to by getting defensive. And yes, my diet is not about her. It has nothing to do with her. But she'd take any mention of it as a criticism anyway. Aside from that she is a joy to be with and I feel privileged to have her as a friend. So I think I'll just suggest Thai food when we get together next (because I don't seem to react to rice the way I react to flour and sugar) and keep my mouth shut about low-carb. And maybe feel slightly hypocritical in the process. I hope not. Daria 166/148/140 sugar-free since 2/1/04 low-carb since 2/17/04 Don't say it's a diet, just refer to it as a different way of eating. In news:20040319180201.09869.00000034@mb-m05.aol.com, DG511 <dg511@aol.comcomic> stated | Aaarrrggghhh! I hate when this happens! My two best friends are | both heavy -- one is about 80 pounds overweight, and the other is at [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] | sugar-free since 2/1/04 | low-carb since 2/17/04 > So there I was sat in the staff room at work, chatting with a Atkins curious > colleague, when someone else over heard. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > on the table. HMM. There were other things said but I'm sure that you all > get the gist here. Don't mind her. She's just mad because she's still not full after eating that pasta with a potato-salad side. I've noticed that low-fat dieters tend to be more cranky than any other type of dieters. I think it's because they are simply *not satisfied* with their food. Plus, she was probably hungry for sausages...;) SC > I've noticed that low-fat dieters tend to be more cranky than any other type > of dieters. I think it's because they are simply *not satisfied* with their > food. They're pretty stuck in their way of thinking. But then again eating our food on a low-fat diet isn't appropriate, either. My mom is a low-fatter. She does Weight Watchers. You CAN eat high fat food on WW - but you'd use up your points really quickly and have nothing left to eat. She constantly gets on me about eating things that are "fattening". Low-fatters seem to see diet change as a way of punishing yourself for being fat, rather than applying medicine to get a system functioning normally again. Well let's see... my pants are getting pretty baggy... which is about more than I could say from when I was trying WW myself. WW frankly rather reminded me of 12 step type meetings. She says she needs her carbs for her kung fu - but I'll tell ya, she's always complaining about being winded, and I'll tell ya something else, I did about an hour and twenty minutes on the treadmill (over half hour at cardio levels) yesterday before I even realized it... my longest/most intense time ever. Proof's in the pudding, I'd say. >Low-fatters seem to see diet change as a way of punishing yourself for >being fat, rather than applying medicine to get a system functioning >normally again. I have had this mindset before and I'm sure others have it, too. Jean M. -- If eating fat makes you fat,will eating brains make you smart? Jean M. burbled across the ether: >> Low-fatters seem to see diet change as a way of punishing yourself >> for being fat, rather than applying medicine to get a system >> functioning normally again. > > I have had this mindset before and I'm sure others have it, too. Puritanism... still going strong after all these years. Signaturerevek www.geocities.com/tanirevek/LowCarb.html lowcarbing since June 2002 5'2" 41 F 165+/too much/size seven petite please 'We are not human beings having a spiritual experience. We are spiritual beings having a human experience.' Probably not the kind of sausage that would put her in the right mood. (smile) My mum always told me to silently smile while telling them to "eff-off and die, you overweight undereducated beeyatch" in your head The world has a really strange impression of what Atkins is and is not, it's up to them to read and be enlightened. Ps My Doctor reccommended it to me! Jennifer 230/217/140 I would not worry too much. She is angry at her own problems, as realistically, you have not given her any reason to be angry (given your description). i > So there I was sat in the staff room at work, chatting with a Atkins curious > colleague, when someone else over heard. [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > Kaye It's hard to reason with people like your coworker, but her comments spoke volumes about not only her manners, but her knowledge of Atkins. From how you describe her own body, sounds like she isn't so good at any diet. Nice of her to feel free to comment on yours! That said, I don't eat sausage or fatty meats either. Atkins or not, I have always been a chicken and seafood fan and still am. I have simply found that if I reduce the carbs in my diet, my weight drops. No fatty meats, no sausage.. just a huge reduction in sugar, bread, pasta, etc. > It's hard to reason with people like your coworker, but her comments > spoke volumes about not only her manners, but her knowledge of Atkins. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > found that if I reduce the carbs in my diet, my weight drops. No fatty > meats, no sausage.. just a huge reduction in sugar, bread, pasta, etc. For me, a slice of bread is a huge and rare treat. Likewise a meal of pasta. Day to day I just don't eat any appreciable amount of carbohydrates. They are no longer on my list of available foods. A hardboiled egg, a piece of cheese, a salad with a scoop of tuna on it, a slice of salami, a piece of avocado. These are my "goodies"..... Last night I had a small bowl of Breyers Carb Smart Strawberry ice cream. It was totally awesome. SignatureEvelyn (To reply to me personally, remove sox) > For me, a slice of bread is a huge and rare treat. Likewise a meal of > pasta. I'm finding (and I've been at this a very limited amount of time) that most of these high carb, but non-sweet foods (rice, bread, pasta, potatoes) don't have any of their own flavor... I can eat a well prepared piece of meat, and a green salad, for dinner and end up totally stuffed. I can keep eating omelets for breakfast. It doesn't feel like a "diet". I don't feel deprived or like I'm living on "rabbit food". > > For me, a slice of bread is a huge and rare treat. Likewise a meal of > > pasta. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > It doesn't feel like a "diet". I don't feel deprived or like I'm > living on "rabbit food". Me too, but on that rare occasion (like last night, which was my anniversary) I will have a rare treat of a piece of bread. Today I am back on my plan, and it is my way of eating for the rest of my life. I don't just eat low carb for weight loss, I do it because I am a diabetic. SignatureEvelyn (To reply to me personally, remove sox) > ... but on that rare occasion (like last night, which was my > anniversary) I will have a rare treat of a piece of bread. Today I > am back on my plan, and it is my way of eating for the rest of my > life. I don't just eat low carb for weight loss, I do it because I > am a diabetic. With a family history of diabetes, I do low-carb to try to keep from becoming diabetic...or, at least, to put off the inevitable. :) Stan |
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