I've been on Phase I of the Protein Power Plan for 3 weeks now and the only
high-carb food I miss is pasta. I was never a big bread, potato or rice
eater, but ate a lot of pastas.
So when I found an online store that sold low-carb pastas made by Atkins,
Keto and Ketogenics, I was thrilled and ordered 36 boxes (10 Atkins
Spaghetti, 10 Atkins Rotini, 10 Keto Shells, and 6 Ketogenics Macaroni and
Cheese dinner mix).
I made a box of the Ketogenics Macaroni and Cheese dinner for lunch
yesterday. It was so awful, I could barely finish the suggested serving
portion of 1/3 of the recipe. It was like chewing and swallowing ground
rubber. And within an hour of eating it, both my boyfriend and I had very
bad reactions to it. My boyfriend had such horrible acid reflux that he
was popping Zantac. I had terribly smelly gas and diarrhea for the rest of
the day.
I spent a lot of money on this stuff and now I'm scared to try the Atkins
spaghetti or rotini, etc.
Was it just the Ketogenics brand that was bad? Has anyone experienced this
type of thing? Will I do better on the Atkins or Keto brands?
It's only been 3 weeks, but I can't imagine living the rest of my life
without pastas.
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Bev
JC Der Koenig - 21 Mar 2004 18:10 GMT
Pasta is not low carb.

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> I've been on Phase I of the Protein Power Plan for 3 weeks now and the only
> high-carb food I miss is pasta. I was never a big bread, potato or rice
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> Bev
Clark Mertz - 21 Mar 2004 18:50 GMT
It's better to not try to substitute low carb pastas, they are really only
slightly reduced in "impact" carbs, bad for LC diets and most taste like
crap anyway. After a while you will stop missing it so much.
Mertz
> I've been on Phase I of the Protein Power Plan for 3 weeks now and the only
> high-carb food I miss is pasta. I was never a big bread, potato or rice
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> Bev
DigitalVinyl - 21 Mar 2004 19:07 GMT
Bev, my best suggestion for *ALL* so-marketed "low-carb" products is
to post here for feedback on them before spending a penny on them.
*MANY* of them, especially when they are made by companies you never
heard of before low-carbing, get horrible reviews.
I haven't tried any LC pastas so I can't offer a decent suggestion.
Contact the website and find out the return policy immediately. I
would never buy bulk on a diet product until I personally ate it. Too
many of them taste like crap, are loaded with sugar alcohols(which are
CARBS!) that they subtract for "net", and can cause digestive
problems. (which you know too well now)
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Witchy Way - 21 Mar 2004 23:23 GMT
oh no!!!!!!
my experience is bella vita penne pasta is very good but the elbow mac
was awful. same brand! i've never tried atkins or keto. i'll just stick
w what tastes good. i eat it occasionally.
**When I was young we used to go 'skinny dipping'. Now I just 'chunky
dunk'.
witchy
emkay - 21 Mar 2004 19:19 GMT
I tried a few brands of them a year or so ago, and they were vile nasty
evil disgusting concoctions that landed in the rubbish after one forkful.
They were like eating a bowl of rubber bands. Maybe there are some better
ones now; I'm no longer interested in trying them. Instead, there are lots
of thing that you can substitute for pasta:
Under spaghetti sauce (lower-carb ones are available among the
regular ones in your grocery store; no need to buy specialty
products):
- shredded cabbage, stir-fried in oilve oil and Italian
seasoning until tender
- shredded cabbage, boiled for a few minutes (with a little
cream added to the water to eliminate that boiled-cabbage
taste & smell)
- zucchini "noodles", boiled for just a minute (use a carrot
peeler or julienne gadget to make the noodles)
- spaghetti squash (also good with an alfredo sauce, or as an
ingredient in lo mein)
- skip the pasta entirely and just have sauce over sausage or
LC meatballs
In macaroni and cheese:
- diced tofu
- canned mushrooms (ala Luna :)
In lasagna:
- thinly sliced layers of tofu
- sliced eggplant
- boiled or steamed cabbage leaves
- portobello mushrooms
- thin layers of scrambled eggs
There are also shiritake noodles, which I have never tried but which
several people on this NG have reported favorably on (although others have
said it's like eating a shredded plastic baggie -- apparently a lot depends
on the cooking technique and your tastebuds).
I once thought I could never give up pasta, too. Now, although it still
_looks_ good to me, when I have a rare occasional bite of it, it tastes
mushy and gluey and just generally unappealing.
Em
Skinny pre-diabetic-hypoglycemic - 21 Mar 2004 19:51 GMT
For me it's not just the taste of the sauce I'm missing, but the bland
non-acid pasta to balance the acid of the sauces. My stomach doesn't
want to deal with the pasta tho, so so far I'm ok. Did have some
saifun=bean thread noodles which seemed fine. (I don't do ketosis or
weight-loss, just BG balancing).
I just had some curried eggs (hardboiled eggs chopped and tossed in
curry sauce) and the whites gave a very good balance of taste, texture,
non-acid, also the smooth texture of pasta. They might do to pad some
kind of base; maybe raw white mushrooms chopped, or tofu. Or rutabagas
or turnips or something like that. Taro root?
Also fresh eggplant makes a nice base for tomato sauce if you can get
the texture right. It has a lovely al dente texture if grilled each side
for a VERY short time.
Or try eggplant parmesan without the breading, maybe with cottage cheese
for some more bland. Boiled egg whites might fit into that.
Skinny --
pre-diab hypo
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>Under spaghetti sauce (lower-carb ones are available among the
>regular ones in your grocery store; no need to buy specialty
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>Em
Luna - 21 Mar 2004 19:35 GMT
> It's only been 3 weeks, but I can't imagine living the rest of my life
> without pastas.
>
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> Bev
I used to be a pasta freak, ate it at least twice a day, and big servings.
I don't miss it anymore at all. Think about it, pasta with nothing on it
tastes basically like cloth. So if you miss the flavor of pasta, what you
really miss is the flavor of the sauce on it. Tomato based sauces are
pretty carby, but imo they are "healthy" carbs (if you make it yourself
with no added sugar) and in the later stages of weight loss would be fine
to use on vegetable dishes. If you were partial to cheesy pasta, as I was,
cheese is low-carb and melted cheese is yummy on brocolli or spinach. If
you miss the actual texture of pasta, the best I've been able to
approximate it is by overcooking mushrooms.

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carla - 22 Mar 2004 14:03 GMT
> I used to be a pasta freak, ate it at least twice a day, and big servings.
> I don't miss it anymore at all. Think about it, pasta with nothing on it
> tastes basically like cloth.
I'm not sure what kind of pasta you were eating, because the pasta I bought
and especially my homemade pasta tasted a whole lot better than that.
However, it's true that I don't really miss it, after nearly four months on
plan. I'm surprised by this, because I always said (and still believe) that
it was my single favorite food.
carla
Jenny - 21 Mar 2004 21:27 GMT
There are a couple big problems with "low carb" pasta.
1. According to the manager of my local Trader Joes the nutritional
information on some of the more popular brands appears to be fantasy. They
took it off the shelf and are waiting for a lab to certify the label. It's
still gone, though it was supposed to be back by now. Theirs' was the one
brand I found that didn't taste like rubbery crap.
2. The "low carb" pastas are all full of processed soy products, and soy can
cause problems to your thyroid, especially if you are low carbing for a long
time.
3. The brands with the lowest counts (fantasy or not) are 9 grams a serving
and that is for a very small serving size. So realistically you are likely
to eat a lot more than that and blow your carbs anyway.
Cut zucchini into strips and steam it, then throw on an Alfredo sauce.
Yum!!!!!!
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> I've been on Phase I of the Protein Power Plan for 3 weeks now and the only
> high-carb food I miss is pasta. I was never a big bread, potato or rice
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> Bev
Susan - 22 Mar 2004 01:51 GMT
>1. According to the manager of my local Trader Joes the nutritional
>information on some of the more popular brands appears to be fantasy. They
>took it off the shelf and are waiting for a lab to certify the label. It's
>still gone, though it was supposed to be back by now.
Jenny, despite the possible labeling probs, didn't you say it didn't budge your
glucose meter?
Susan
revek - 22 Mar 2004 03:31 GMT
Susan burbled across the ether:
> x-no-archive: yes
>
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> Jenny, despite the possible labeling probs, didn't you say it didn't
> budge your glucose meter?
Yes she intimated that, but she also said it gave her the munchies.
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=jenny+bella+vita++group:alt.support.diet.low-c
arb&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&group=alt.support.diet.low-carb&selm=3fe11b1b%240%244765%
2461fed72c%40news.rcn.com&rnum=8
and
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=jenny+bella+vita++group:alt.support.diet.low-c
arb&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&group=alt.support.diet.low-carb&selm=3fe0e44f%240%244741%
2461fed72c%40news.rcn.com&rnum=2
but apparently she wasn't testing beyond 2 hours:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=jenny+bella+vita++group:alt.support.diet.low-c
arb&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&group=alt.support.diet.low-carb&selm=3ffdad54%240%246736%
2461fed72c%40news.rcn.com&rnum=1

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just me - 21 Mar 2004 22:50 GMT
Muller's makes a Lower Carb Pasta, it has 19 net carbs instead of 49
in regular Pasta and it Tastes Great. I use it as a reward meal once
a week.. but I don't over do it.
>I've been on Phase I of the Protein Power Plan for 3 weeks now and the only
>high-carb food I miss is pasta. I was never a big bread, potato or rice
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>Bev
Cubit - 21 Mar 2004 23:05 GMT
White SHIRATAKI Noodles.
They just make a very convincing plate of SPAGHETTI!
Noodles are <1 carb per serving and 7 servings per 7 ounce bag.
From what I have read, all the carbs are fiber.
The bag says "YAM NOODLE" made by "Shirakiku"
$1.29
The noodles have a white gelatinous look. Chews up like real spaghetti
without cooking, except they have a mild rubbery chew effect. Cooking
changes this a little.
The maker adds a bit of seaweed powder to the bag giving it a mild seafood
smell. Placing the noodles in a colander and washing under hot tap water
for several minutes removes almost all of the smell.
Noodles are about two feet long and have a small diameter.
I pour on my low carb spaghetti sauce and nuke it for a few minutes. I
let it sit for 60 minutes. I have read the noodles absorb whatever
sauce/flavor is around them. I assume it takes time. Maybe I should let
them soak in sauce overnight, but I am not that patient. I add
generous Romano and Parmesan grated cheese.
I found the noodles at an ethnic store called Marina Food.
I ate all 7 ounces in one meal. It looked small compared to the mountains
of pasta I used to eat. However, it was quite filling.
I no longer crave pasta. It may be some time before I cook up yam noodles
again.
> I've been on Phase I of the Protein Power Plan for 3 weeks now and the only
> high-carb food I miss is pasta. I was never a big bread, potato or rice
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> Bev
Susan - 22 Mar 2004 01:49 GMT
>Was it just the Ketogenics brand that was bad? Has anyone experienced this
>type of thing? Will I do better on the Atkins or Keto brands?
>It's only been 3 weeks, but I can't imagine living the rest of my life
>without pastas.
Except for Bella Vita, which recently disappeared from my local store shelves,
but is still available online, they're all gross, like grainy, chewy, bitter
tile grout.
Bella Vita is okay. Due Amici is, IMO, the most disgusting thing I've tried to
eat in my entire life. We all were gathered around the garbage and the sinks,
scraping it off our tongues. It's just that awful.
Susan
DigitalVinyl - 22 Mar 2004 03:37 GMT
>x-no-archive: yes
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>eat in my entire life. We all were gathered around the garbage and the sinks,
>scraping it off our tongues. It's just that awful.
LOL
Too funny!
This is why you have to ask about these roduct before buying them!
>Susan
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