Weight Loss Forum / Low Carb / March 2004
2 that I've had on the induction
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Watcher - 21 Mar 2004 22:06 GMT Hey guys
although i drink a fair bit of water, I also drink Pepsi Max, which although only has 0.03gs of carb has a fair bit of caffeen :( (
I also just noticed that during the induction your not spose to eat nuts
:( I'm been eating nuts between meals but not more than 4g of carbs and keeping in the 20g of carbs a day...
Do i need to start the induction again and cut out the Pepsi Max and nuts? quite frankly I'm addicted to the Pepsimax (or the caffeen at least) and the nuts have been a god send, something to nibble on at work.
Thanks for everyones replies to my last post :)
Watcher
LCer09 - 21 Mar 2004 22:20 GMT >Do i need to start the induction again and cut out the Pepsi Max and nuts? >quite frankly I'm addicted to the Pepsimax (or the caffeen at least) and the >nuts have been a god send, something to nibble on at work. You're addicted. Unless you believe this addiction to be a good thing, why would you NOT want to break this addiction? You know it's not good for you, and only you can make the choice, no matter what people here tell you.
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Damsel in dis Dress - 21 Mar 2004 22:26 GMT >I also just noticed that during the induction your not spose to eat nuts >:( I'm been eating nuts between meals but not more than 4g of carbs and >keeping in the 20g of carbs a day... I have read that the reason for no nuts during Induction is that people tend to eat way too many of them, and their carb counts skyrocket. You're keeping yourself in check, so I don't see any reason why you couldn't continue what you're doing.
I just finished a can of diet Coke. Doesn't seem to cause any problems for me.
Keep in mind, I don't consider Atkins to be an alternative religion, so there will be a lot of people who will think that what I'm saying is heresay. ;)
I used to stress out over every little transgression. Got just plain frantic about it. In the grand scheme of things, it's just not worth freaking out about it.
Your mileage may vary, of course.
Carol
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JC Der Koenig - 21 Mar 2004 22:28 GMT On one hand you think it's ok to retain bad habits. On the other hand you've had less than stellar results. Is there a possible connection here?
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Becky P.
> >I also just noticed that during the induction your not spose to eat nuts > >:( I'm been eating nuts between meals but not more than 4g of carbs and [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Carol Sseaott - 21 Mar 2004 23:24 GMT bad troll!
> On one hand you think it's ok to retain bad habits. On the other hand you've > had less than stellar results. Is there a possible connection here? [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > > > Carol JC Der Koenig - 21 Mar 2004 23:31 GMT WFFID!
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Becky P.
> bad troll! > [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > > > > > Carol LCer09 - 22 Mar 2004 00:53 GMT >bad troll! > >> On one hand you think it's ok to retain bad habits. On the other hand >you've >> had less than stellar results. Is there a possible connection here? What, exactly, did you find incorrect about that statement?
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bidkev - 22 Mar 2004 01:19 GMT > On one hand you think it's ok to retain bad habits. ROFLMAO!
>>> I also just noticed that during the induction your not spose to eat >>> nuts :( I'm been eating nuts between meals but not more than 4g of [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] >> This is what backsliding does: >> http://photos.yahoo.com/carol_arie Jean M. - 21 Mar 2004 23:37 GMT >Keep in mind, I don't consider Atkins to be an alternative religion, so >there will be a lot of people who will think that what I'm saying is >heresay. ;) Or heresy. (I only know this because DH included it in a writing of his.) <g>
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Damsel in dis Dress - 21 Mar 2004 23:46 GMT >>Keep in mind, I don't consider Atkins to be an alternative religion, so >>there will be a lot of people who will think that what I'm saying is >>heresay. ;) > >Or heresy. (I only know this because DH included it in a writing of >his.) <g> *giggle*
Carol
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Sseaott - 21 Mar 2004 23:26 GMT Interesting, I have drank Pepsi like a FISH for years and had absolutely NO PROBLEMS stopping it cold turkey when I started induction. I have yet to have a drop of it. I think it's all in your head, people are not really addicted to caffine, they are just use to it. If I can stop cold turkey with no withdrawls, anyone can.
Try not to listen to our lovely friend "JC", she has MAJOR issues! Nothing but a troll with a miserable life.
> Hey guys > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Watcher DigitalVinyl - 22 Mar 2004 00:18 GMT The induction food list, through common sense, is there for the "I don't want to count carbs" groups. Using Induction rules you will stay under 20g a day--the goal. The second thing is Atkins says low-carb foods seem to be the foods that people have the least allergies to. So the list is relatively safe to avoid problem foods.
However, in my opinion, you can eat other foods. The trick is--are they problem foods for *YOU*. Caffeine is a stimulant, but has also been blamed for creating hunger. We are often addicted to that which causes us problems--you may be allergic to a favorite food. Remove it and something you've experienced for years goes away. It was actually an allergy but you didn't connect it cause its been there forever. If you use induction as a purge, staying strict to low carb, safe foods you create a baseline. You can then add things in and see if they affect you. Maybe one pepsi max a day doesn't affect but three do. There are a lot of variables. You are able to control the amount of nuts you eat. If you start breaking your limits you have to ask yourself if there is something in your diet that is adding to your cravings. They aren't always obvious things.
Because i drank tons of soda I gave up all caffeine for induction. I didn't want to just switch from soda to coffee. It gave me headaches, but it was over in a few days. I haven't had a need to add much back. The most I've drank was about half a can in a day--but I really don't care for the taste much. IF you run into problems you have to question if these are helping or hurting you. Having something sweet and sugary tasting may set off your mind & body the same way that the real stuff would.
It is up to you.
>Hey guys > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >Watcher DiGiTAL_ViNYL (no email) 350/314/Mar-315/200 Atkins since Jan 12, 2004 OWL-35 carbs/day (CCLL=?)
Damsel in dis Dress - 22 Mar 2004 00:35 GMT I don't like responding to trolls. It rarely happens. But in a recent post, I was accused of having a bad low-carb plan, because I gained the weight back. That comment is really misleading, and I think I have to address it, for the sake of people just starting their plans.
When I was on Atkins last year, I regularly lost 5 pounds per month. I don't call that failing. The diet does work.
But, while under some amazing stress, I buckled, and started making poor choices. Things like the super-size bags of M&Ms (eaten in one evening), cherry licorice (same), microwave popcorn (1-2 bags a day), bakery-size cookies by the dozen (an hour or two). A half gallon of sherbet did last a week. Oh, and I taught Crash how to make fried rice. For awhile, we were eating it 2-3 times a week. It was always a double batch, too (2 cups uncooked rice). It was HARD WORK, gaining 40 pounds in just a few months!
The reason I'm starting fresh is that *I* failed. Atkins, a la Damsel, did not fail.
Back to the no-troll zone ... Carol
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JC Der Koenig - 22 Mar 2004 00:54 GMT You lost some weight, but not the bad habits. That's why you failed, and you still don't realize it.
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Becky P.
> I don't like responding to trolls. It rarely happens. But in a recent > post, I was accused of having a bad low-carb plan, because I gained the [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > Back to the no-troll zone ... > Carol revek - 22 Mar 2004 02:15 GMT Damsel in dis Dress burbled across the ether:
> The reason I'm starting fresh is that *I* failed. Carol, you didn't fail. You are here. Working on it. You aren't dead yet.
You have not failed. Weight control is a *lifelong* journey. Glad you are walking the path with me.
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Damsel in dis Dress - 22 Mar 2004 02:51 GMT >Damsel in dis Dress burbled across the ether: >> The reason I'm starting fresh is that *I* failed. > >Carol, you didn't fail. You are here. Working on it. You aren't dead >yet. The point I was so clumsily trying to make is that the slight modifications that I make to the Atkins diet (peanut butter on a piece of celery during induction, one can of diet pop per day), are not diet-killers. Dr. Atkins's book is not the Bible, and I'm afraid that all too many people view it like it is.
I've also learned the hard way that there is no place for guilt here. I don't feel guilty for screwing up, but I do take responsibility for it. Remember last year, when I was sure I was doomed because I ate 90 carbs? LOL!
>You have not failed. Weight control is a *lifelong* journey. Glad you >are walking the path with me. Aw, Rev, you're gonna make me cry. :) I'm glad to be one of your buds, too!
And my mailbox *should* contain your mailing address. I am serious. I'll share my almond flour with you. I don't remember how much I bought, but half of it is yours.
Carol
 Signature 227/221/150 Atkins since March 12, 2004 Type 2 Diabetic since May 15, 2001
This is what backsliding does: http://photos.yahoo.com/carol_arie
revek - 22 Mar 2004 02:58 GMT Damsel in dis Dress burbled across the ether:
>> Damsel in dis Dress burbled across the ether: >>> The reason I'm starting fresh is that *I* failed. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > not diet-killers. Dr. Atkins's book is not the Bible, and I'm afraid > that all too many people view it like it is. I'll agree with you on that. While I understand Atkins and like it the best, I don't actually follow it so much as I follow the asdlc diet-- all the good bits from everywhere. But there are some here who will say I'm a podperson if I so much as refuse to condem Atkins for being less than perfect.
> I've also learned the hard way that there is no place for guilt here. > I don't feel guilty for screwing up, but I do take responsibility for > it. Remember last year, when I was sure I was doomed because I ate 90 > carbs? LOL! You *were* a tad touchy in the begining. :)
>> You have not failed. Weight control is a *lifelong* journey. Glad >> you are walking the path with me. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > I'll share my almond flour with you. I don't remember how much I > bought, but half of it is yours. Now now. Besides, I'll just make cookies and cheesecake with it. :) All I wanted to say was that dvd I was lending you is late getting out of the gate. I had a baby shower to prep for this weekend. So it will be on it's way to you on Monday.
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Piedlourde - 22 Mar 2004 08:29 GMT If I'm not mistaken, didn't an older version of the Atkins plan allow for nuts and seeds during Induction? I think you should do whatever works for you; therefore, if it makes you feel better, just say you're on "70's-style Atkins" or whatever.
I was a purist during Induction, and had about the same amount of success as those who adjusted slightly to fit their personal needs.
Just be aware of the nuts you're eating and try to be honest with yourself about how much you're consuming, so if it turns out to be a problem you can re-assess the situation and try cutting them out for awhile. (Maybe substituting with another Induction-friendly snack for the workday hunger attack.) Just count the carbs. :)
As for the Pepsi Max, the caffeine issue seems to be very much YMMV. If it's not making you hungry or hurting your weight loss, I say enjoy. (I say it fairly enviously, at that-- I used to be quite the coffee addict, and only recently have allowed myself the occasional half-caff. Mmmmm.)
Piedlourde
Damsel in dis Dress - 22 Mar 2004 13:33 GMT >If I'm not mistaken, didn't an older version of the Atkins plan allow for nuts >and seeds during Induction? I think you should do whatever works for you; >therefore, if it makes you feel better, just say you're on "70's-style Atkins" >or whatever. There ya go! LOL!
>I was a purist during Induction, and had about the same amount of success as >those who adjusted slightly to fit their personal needs. > >Just be aware of the nuts you're eating and try to be honest with yourself >about how much you're consuming, so if it turns out to be a problem you can >re-assess the situation and try cutting them out for awhile. When I'm eating something where the portion should be restricted, such as nuts. olives, M&Ms (NOT!), I count or measure them out into a small Pyrex baking bowl. The kind that you used to make custard in. That way, I get a whole bowl, not just a "tiny serving." There's a psychology to all of this which shouldn't be ignored.
Also, I rarely use a dinner plate anymore. I usually use a small (coffee saucer size) or medium (sandwich size) plate. Then the plate's full of food. Sneaky, huh?
This will change somewhat after Induction. Right now, my veggies are all found in my salad bowl. After the first, when we hit Sam's Club, I'll be eating an enormous portion of broccoli with each dinner meal. Then I'll need a larger plate. :)
Carol
 Signature 227/221/150 Atkins since March 12, 2004 Type 2 Diabetic since May 15, 2001
This is what backsliding does: http://photos.yahoo.com/carol_arie
Piedlourde - 23 Mar 2004 08:49 GMT Carol said:
<< There's a psychology to all of this which shouldn't be ignored.
Absolutely true. Since this WOE, with the appetite drop, almost any overeating I do is because my brain's reverting to old habits, so psychology is very important.
<< Also, I rarely use a dinner plate anymore. I usually use a small (coffee saucer size) or medium (sandwich size) plate. Then the plate's full of food. Sneaky, huh?
I've been doing this more and more, too. Works wonders!
Piedlourde
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