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Watcher - 21 Mar 2004 22:06 GMT
Hey guys

although i drink a fair bit of water, I also drink Pepsi Max, which although
only has 0.03gs of carb has a fair bit of caffeen :( (

I also just noticed that during the induction your not spose to eat nuts
:( I'm been eating nuts between meals but not more than 4g of carbs and
keeping in the 20g of carbs a day...

Do i need to start the induction again and cut out the Pepsi Max and nuts?
quite frankly I'm addicted to the Pepsimax (or the caffeen at least) and the
nuts have been a god send, something to nibble on at work.

Thanks for everyones replies to my last post :)

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LCer09 - 21 Mar 2004 22:20 GMT
>Do i need to start the induction again and cut out the Pepsi Max and nuts?
>quite frankly I'm addicted to the Pepsimax (or the caffeen at least) and the
>nuts have been a god send, something to nibble on at work.

You're addicted. Unless you believe this addiction to be a good thing, why
would you NOT want to break this addiction? You know it's not good for you, and
only you can make the choice, no matter what people here tell you.

LCing since 12/01/03-
Me- 5'7" 265/219/140
& hubby- 6' 310/238/180
Damsel in dis Dress - 21 Mar 2004 22:26 GMT
>I also just noticed that during the induction your not spose to eat nuts
>:( I'm been eating nuts between meals but not more than 4g of carbs and
>keeping in the 20g of carbs a day...

I have read that the reason for no nuts during Induction is that people
tend to eat way too many of them, and their carb counts skyrocket.  You're
keeping yourself in check, so I don't see any reason why you couldn't
continue what you're doing.

I just finished a can of diet Coke.  Doesn't seem to cause any problems for
me.  

Keep in mind, I don't consider Atkins to be an alternative religion, so
there will be a lot of people who will think that what I'm saying is
heresay.  ;)

I used to stress out over every little transgression.  Got just plain
frantic about it.  In the grand scheme of things, it's just not worth
freaking out about it.

Your mileage may vary, of course.

Carol
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JC Der Koenig - 21 Mar 2004 22:28 GMT
On one hand you think it's ok to retain bad habits. On the other hand you've
had less than stellar results. Is there a possible connection here?

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Most of us probably aren't in danger of eating too little. :)

Becky P.

> >I also just noticed that during the induction your not spose to eat nuts
> >:( I'm been eating nuts between meals but not more than 4g of carbs and
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> Carol
Sseaott - 21 Mar 2004 23:24 GMT
bad troll!

> On one hand you think it's ok to retain bad habits. On the other hand you've
> had less than stellar results. Is there a possible connection here?
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> >
> > Carol
JC Der Koenig - 21 Mar 2004 23:31 GMT
WFFID!

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Most of us probably aren't in danger of eating too little. :)

Becky P.

> bad troll!
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> > > Carol
LCer09 - 22 Mar 2004 00:53 GMT
>bad troll!
>
>> On one hand you think it's ok to retain bad habits. On the other hand
>you've
>> had less than stellar results. Is there a possible connection here?

What, exactly, did you find incorrect about that statement?

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Me- 5'7" 265/219/140
& hubby- 6' 310/238/180
bidkev - 22 Mar 2004 01:19 GMT
> On one hand you think it's ok to retain bad habits.

ROFLMAO!

>>> I also just noticed that during the induction your not spose to eat
>>> nuts :( I'm been eating nuts between meals but not more than 4g of
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>> This is what backsliding does:
>> http://photos.yahoo.com/carol_arie
Jean M. - 21 Mar 2004 23:37 GMT
>Keep in mind, I don't consider Atkins to be an alternative religion, so
>there will be a lot of people who will think that what I'm saying is
>heresay.  ;)

Or heresy. (I only know this because DH included it in a writing of
his.) <g>

--  
Jean M.
New food of the week: water chestnuts

Do away with flipfloping to e-mail.
Damsel in dis Dress - 21 Mar 2004 23:46 GMT
>>Keep in mind, I don't consider Atkins to be an alternative religion, so
>>there will be a lot of people who will think that what I'm saying is
>>heresay.  ;)
>
>Or heresy. (I only know this because DH included it in a writing of
>his.) <g>

*giggle*

Carol
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This is what backsliding does:
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Sseaott - 21 Mar 2004 23:26 GMT
Interesting, I have drank Pepsi like a FISH for years and had absolutely NO
PROBLEMS stopping it cold turkey when I started induction.  I have yet to
have a drop of it.  I think it's all in your head, people are not really
addicted to caffine, they are just use to it.  If I can stop cold turkey
with no withdrawls, anyone can.

Try not to listen to our lovely friend "JC", she has MAJOR issues!  Nothing
but a troll with a miserable life.

> Hey guys
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> Watcher
DigitalVinyl - 22 Mar 2004 00:18 GMT
The induction food list, through common sense, is there for the "I
don't want to count carbs" groups. Using Induction rules you will stay
under 20g a day--the goal. The second thing is Atkins says low-carb
foods seem to be the foods that people have the least allergies to. So
the list is relatively safe to avoid problem foods.

However, in my opinion, you can eat other foods. The trick is--are
they problem foods for *YOU*. Caffeine is a stimulant, but has also
been blamed for creating hunger. We are often addicted to that which
causes us problems--you may be allergic to a favorite food. Remove it
and something you've experienced for years goes away. It was actually
an allergy but you didn't connect it cause its been there forever. If
you use induction as a purge, staying strict to low carb, safe foods
you create a baseline. You can then add things in and see if they
affect you. Maybe one pepsi max a day doesn't affect but three do.
There are a lot of variables. You are able to control the amount of
nuts you eat. If you start breaking your limits you have to ask
yourself if there is something in your diet that is adding to your
cravings. They aren't always obvious things.

Because i drank tons of soda I gave up all caffeine for induction. I
didn't want to just switch from soda to coffee. It gave me headaches,
but it was over in a few days. I haven't had a need to add much back.
The most I've drank was about half a can in a day--but I really don't
care for the taste much. IF you run into problems you have to question
if these are helping or hurting you. Having something sweet and sugary
tasting may set off your mind & body the same way that the real stuff
would.

It is up to you.

>Hey guys
>
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>Watcher

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Damsel in dis Dress - 22 Mar 2004 00:35 GMT
I don't like responding to trolls.  It rarely happens.  But in a recent
post, I was accused of having a bad low-carb plan, because I gained the
weight back.  That comment is really misleading, and I think I have to
address it, for the sake of people just starting their plans.

When I was on Atkins last year, I regularly lost 5 pounds per month.  I
don't call that failing.  The diet does work.

But, while under some amazing stress, I buckled, and started making poor
choices.  Things like the super-size bags of M&Ms (eaten in one evening),
cherry licorice (same), microwave popcorn (1-2 bags a day), bakery-size
cookies by the dozen (an hour or two).  A half gallon of sherbet did last a
week.  Oh, and I taught Crash how to make fried rice.  For awhile, we were
eating it 2-3 times a week.  It was always a double batch, too (2 cups
uncooked rice).  It was HARD WORK, gaining 40 pounds in just a few months!

The reason I'm starting fresh is that *I* failed.  Atkins, a la Damsel, did
not fail.  

Back to the no-troll zone ...
Carol
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JC Der Koenig - 22 Mar 2004 00:54 GMT
You lost some weight, but not the bad habits. That's why you failed, and you
still don't realize it.

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Most of us probably aren't in danger of eating too little. :)

Becky P.

> I don't like responding to trolls.  It rarely happens.  But in a recent
> post, I was accused of having a bad low-carb plan, because I gained the
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> Back to the no-troll zone ...
> Carol
revek - 22 Mar 2004 02:15 GMT
Damsel in dis Dress  burbled across the ether:
> The reason I'm starting fresh is that *I* failed.

Carol, you didn't fail.  You are here.  Working on it.  You aren't dead
yet.

You have not failed.   Weight control is a *lifelong* journey.  Glad you
are walking the path with me.

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Damsel in dis Dress - 22 Mar 2004 02:51 GMT
>Damsel in dis Dress  burbled across the ether:
>> The reason I'm starting fresh is that *I* failed.
>
>Carol, you didn't fail.  You are here.  Working on it.  You aren't dead
>yet.

The point I was so clumsily trying to make is that the slight modifications
that I make to the Atkins diet (peanut butter on a piece of celery during
induction, one can of diet pop per day), are not diet-killers.  Dr.
Atkins's book is not the Bible, and I'm afraid that all too many people
view it like it is.

I've also learned the hard way that there is no place for guilt here.  I
don't feel guilty for screwing up, but I do take responsibility for it.
Remember last year, when I was sure I was doomed because I ate 90 carbs?
LOL!

>You have not failed.   Weight control is a *lifelong* journey.  Glad you
>are walking the path with me.

Aw, Rev, you're gonna make me cry.  :)  I'm glad to be one of your buds,
too!  

And my mailbox *should* contain your mailing address.  I am serious.  I'll
share my almond flour with you.  I don't remember how much I bought, but
half of it is yours.

Carol
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This is what backsliding does:
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revek - 22 Mar 2004 02:58 GMT
Damsel in dis Dress  burbled across the ether:

>> Damsel in dis Dress  burbled across the ether:
>>> The reason I'm starting fresh is that *I* failed.
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> not diet-killers.  Dr. Atkins's book is not the Bible, and I'm afraid
> that all too many people view it like it is.

I'll agree with you on that.  While I understand Atkins and like it the
best, I don't actually follow it so much as I follow the asdlc diet--
all the good bits from everywhere.  But there are some here who will say
I'm a podperson if I so much as refuse to condem Atkins for being less
than perfect.

> I've also learned the hard way that there is no place for guilt here.
> I don't feel guilty for screwing up, but I do take responsibility for
> it. Remember last year, when I was sure I was doomed because I ate 90
> carbs? LOL!

You *were* a tad touchy in the begining. :)

>> You have not failed.   Weight control is a *lifelong* journey.  Glad
>> you are walking the path with me.
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> I'll share my almond flour with you.  I don't remember how much I
> bought, but half of it is yours.

Now now. Besides, I'll just make cookies and cheesecake with it. :)
All I wanted to say was that dvd I was lending you is late getting out
of the gate.  I had a baby shower to prep for this weekend.  So it will
be on it's way to you on Monday.

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Piedlourde - 22 Mar 2004 08:29 GMT
If I'm not mistaken, didn't an older version of the Atkins plan allow for nuts
and seeds during Induction? I think you should do whatever works for you;
therefore, if it makes you feel better, just say you're on "70's-style Atkins"
or whatever.

I was a purist during Induction, and had about the same amount of success as
those who adjusted slightly to fit their personal needs.

Just be aware of the nuts you're eating and try to be honest with yourself
about how much you're consuming, so if it turns out to be a problem you can
re-assess the situation and try cutting them out for awhile. (Maybe
substituting with another Induction-friendly snack for the workday hunger
attack.) Just count the carbs. :)

As for the Pepsi Max, the caffeine issue seems to be very much YMMV. If it's
not making you hungry or hurting your weight loss, I say enjoy. (I say it
fairly enviously, at that-- I used to be quite the coffee addict, and only
recently have allowed myself the occasional half-caff. Mmmmm.)

Piedlourde
Damsel in dis Dress - 22 Mar 2004 13:33 GMT
>If I'm not mistaken, didn't an older version of the Atkins plan allow for nuts
>and seeds during Induction? I think you should do whatever works for you;
>therefore, if it makes you feel better, just say you're on "70's-style Atkins"
>or whatever.

There ya go!  LOL!

>I was a purist during Induction, and had about the same amount of success as
>those who adjusted slightly to fit their personal needs.
>
>Just be aware of the nuts you're eating and try to be honest with yourself
>about how much you're consuming, so if it turns out to be a problem you can
>re-assess the situation and try cutting them out for awhile.

When I'm eating something where the portion should be restricted, such as
nuts. olives, M&Ms (NOT!), I count or measure them out into a small Pyrex
baking bowl.  The kind that you used to make custard in.  That way, I get a
whole bowl, not just a "tiny serving."  There's a psychology to all of this
which shouldn't be ignored.

Also, I rarely use a dinner plate anymore.  I usually use a small (coffee
saucer size) or medium (sandwich size) plate.  Then the plate's full of
food.  Sneaky, huh?

This will change somewhat after Induction.  Right now, my veggies are all
found in my salad bowl.  After the first, when we hit Sam's Club, I'll be
eating an enormous portion of broccoli with each dinner meal.  Then I'll
need a larger plate.  :)  

Carol
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Type 2 Diabetic since May 15, 2001

This is what backsliding does:
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Piedlourde - 23 Mar 2004 08:49 GMT
Carol said:

<< There's a psychology to all of this
which shouldn't be ignored.

Absolutely true. Since this WOE, with the appetite drop, almost any overeating
I do is because my brain's reverting to old habits, so psychology is very
important.

<< Also, I rarely use a dinner plate anymore.  I usually use a small (coffee
saucer size) or medium (sandwich size) plate.  Then the plate's full of
food.  Sneaky, huh?

I've been doing this more and more, too. Works wonders!

Piedlourde
 
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