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Weight Loss Forum / Low Carb / March 2004Thin enough?
I had an interesting comment from my wife this morning. We were comparing weight loss numbers and she told me she wants to lose 16 more pounds (53 gone so far, yeah for her!) She also stated that she is happy with where my weight is now. I think that I still have at least 8-10 more pounds to go, if not 15, for what I believe will be an optimal weight. Yes, I know my tagline says 183 but that is just my next objective. However, since my wife is the one who looks at me every day, I respect her opinion. It is nice to know that she thinks I am done, or could be at goal if I wanted to be, but I don't think I'm there yet. I've tried to address my weight loss objectively and my objective is to reach a weight which is attainable and maintainable over the long haul. And, of course, a weight which will be healthy for me. I've not reached a point yet where I am struggling to lose those last few pounds as what I am losing I continue to lose fairly easily...given time and continued portion control. My point being that, at this point, I don't think that I have a target which will be a stretch to reach. By every objective measure I have considered I still have weight to lose. But there are subjective measures too, physical appearance for instance. I suspect that age is a subjective contributor too, though there are lots of charts that factor age in as an objective measure. To summarize this: Objectively, I still have weight to lose. Subjectively, I believe I still have weight to lose, but my wife's opinion is that I can stop now. So, my question is: When is thin, thin enough? Opinions and comments please.  SignatureJJ. 275/188/183, BMI 27.0 - as of Mar 19, 2004 Atkins since Sep 1, 2003 http://f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/jjsmythe/my_photos 68.4% of the man I used to be. Are you happy with the way you look? I suggest that you lose 10 pounds under the point where you are happy with the way you look, then let yourself slowly gain those 10 pounds back. It'll be a lot easier to maintain that way. > I had an interesting comment from my wife this morning. We > were comparing weight loss numbers and she told me she wants [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > So, my question is: When is thin, thin enough? Opinions and > comments please. Actually, I find your advice very sensible in this case. :-) -- Cheri Type 2, no meds for now. JC Der Koenig wrote in message ... >Are you happy with the way you look? > >I suggest that you lose 10 pounds under the point where you are happy with >the way you look, then let yourself slowly gain those 10 pounds back. It'll >be a lot easier to maintain that way. JC Der Koenig wrote: > Are you happy with the way you look? > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > those 10 > pounds back. It'll be a lot easier to maintain that way. Am I happy with the way I look? Compared to where I was when I started the answer is yes. But I do think I have room for improvement in both weight and appearance and can drop another 8-10 pounds without too much difficulty. Frankly, I still have at least that much more to lose and will still be losing fat. Your comment about losing then going back up a bit is, in my opinion, sound. Just based upon the experimenting I have been doing recently, it's clear that there will be at least a 3-4 pound bounce at the bottom when I start eating more at maintenance levels so I have been planning on managing that increase. If that bounce were to be 10 pounds (from my current weight) I know I would not be happy at 198, at least not without more muscle mass than I am now carrying. To that end, I definitely need to do more lifting and muscle building activity, especially in my upper body and my arms. Not that I am small by any means, but I am not happy with the amount of muscle and strength I have lost in my arms and chest over the years. I'm not sure yet how resistant my body is going to be to building up muscle mass again, or how much age is going to be a factor in what I can achieve in this area. I'm still educating myself in this area. Whatever I decide needs to be done, and decide to do, I will likely pursue with the same rigor as I have getting this darn weight off to begin with. Thank you for the feedback. SignatureJJ. 275/188/183, BMI 27.0 - as of Mar 19, 2004 Atkins since Sep 1, 2003 http://f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/jjsmythe/my_photos 68.4% of the man I used to be. > JC Der Koenig wrote: > > Are you happy with the way you look? [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > likely pursue with the same rigor as I have getting this > darn weight off to begin with. Thank you for the feedback. The word is out that if you were once muscular, it's much easier to regain that muscle than to build it for the first time. The best part is that if you have your diet sorted out, the exercise part is even easier if you really enjoy it. > The word is out that if you were once muscular, it's much > easier to > regain that muscle than to build it for the first time. This is encouraging. I'd like to have about 10 pounds of that muscle now...time to work harder at it I think. > The best part is that if you have your diet sorted out, > the exercise part is even > easier if you really enjoy it. I might finally have my diet sorted out so this is looking promising. As for enjoying exercise: I enjoy lifting and walking but despise running as it is too hard on my knees. I should be okay once I get a schedule going that is compatible with the rest of my life. Thanks for the encouragement. SignatureJJ. >> The word is out that if you were once muscular, it's much >> easier to >> regain that muscle than to build it for the first time. This is true, but the muscle gain isn't without drawbacks. I regain muscle strength so quickly that I almost always get hurt because my tendons and the like can't increase strength as fast as my muscles. So, I'm going easier this time around in an effort to prevent injuries. SignatureBob in CT Remove ".x" to reply ::: JC Der Koenig wrote: :::: [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] :: So, I'm going easier this time around in an effort to prevent :: injuries. What kind of training protocal do you follow? Also, how old are you? Not getting hurt is a major priority for me. > Not getting hurt is a major priority for me. Me too. Going at it too hard and hurting myself has been a good excuse to quit in the past. This time, I'm looking to avoid excuses. > >> The word is out that if you were once muscular, it's much > >> easier to [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > tendons and the like can't increase strength as fast as my muscles. So, > I'm going easier this time around in an effort to prevent injuries. I focus a lot on not getting injured, because injuries are totally detrimental to progress. Having said that though, injuries still happen sometimes, no matter how careful I am. To me, it's all about minimizing the risk. The key word here is patience. Adding more weight to lifts too quickly is usually the villian. > I focus a lot on not getting injured, because injuries are totally > detrimental to progress. Having said that though, injuries still happen > sometimes, no matter how careful I am. To me, it's all about minimizing the > risk. The key word here is patience. Adding more weight to lifts too quickly > is usually the villian. Okay, I've made a mistake or two being slightly aggressive. How long do you rest an injured muscle? A week or two? Marsha/Ohio > > I focus a lot on not getting injured, because injuries are totally > > detrimental to progress. Having said that though, injuries still happen [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Marsha/Ohio Until it doesn't hurt anymore? It depends. Tendonitis in my elbows caused me to abandon some lifts permanently. Pulled muscles in my back have caused me to lay off for as much as a month, and then start over at much lower weights. When I write about laying off though, I mean that I generally still do whatever isolation exercises that I can manage. I've also had some minor strains that have cleared up in a few days. > "Marsha" <mas@sev.org> wrote in message >>Okay, I've made a mistake or two being slightly aggressive. >> How long do you rest an injured muscle? A week or two? >> >>Marsha/Ohio > Until it doesn't hurt anymore? > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > I mean that I generally still do whatever isolation exercises that I can > manage. I've also had some minor strains that have cleared up in a few days. In general, I'm thinking about my left leg, which has been weaker from the outset. I wss trying to keep it up with the right leg and there's a little muscular pain there. So I should keeep doing right leg and upper body exercises while the left leg hamstring heals for, say a a week or two and then start again slowly? Marsha/Ohio > > "Marsha" <mas@sev.org> wrote in message > >>Okay, I've made a mistake or two being slightly aggressive. [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > the left leg hamstring heals for, say a a week or two and > then start again slowly? I'm not a doctor, and this advice is probably worth what you are paying for it. I wouldn't do any work with my legs until they felt healthy again. I'm not talking about DOMS here. Then I would tend toward the endurance side of things until I couldn't make them sore at all. Only then would I start adding weight to the lifts. That's all very general, and it really depends on exactly what is wrong with your hamstring. :: JC Der Koenig wrote: ::: [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] :: This is encouraging. I'd like to have about 10 pounds of :: that muscle now...time to work harder at it I think. Not work harder, work smarter. ::: The best part is that if you have your diet sorted out, ::: the exercise part is even [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] :: promising. As for enjoying exercise: I enjoy lifting and :: walking but despise running as it is too hard on my knees. I hope this means you don't run....there are plenty of other forms of exercise. Personally, running is not something I plan to do. :: I should be okay once I get a schedule going that is :: compatible with the rest of my life. That is most important, imo. Hurry up :) > I hope this means you don't run.... Only when I'm late for a train:) SignatureJJ. > > The word is out that if you were once muscular, it's much > > easier to [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Thanks for the encouragement. I used to run 10 and 15K races. I gave that up because my knees started to ache. The good news is that you can stress yourself in plenty of other ways. > So, my question is: When is thin, thin enough? Opinions and > comments please. > 275/188/183, BMI 27.0 - as of Mar 19, 2004 I think that if you do not have extra muscles, BMI is still good guide. less than 25 is enough, less than 22 is perfect. OTOH, the most importatnt part IMHO is to establish long term WOE that would prevent you gaining it back. So I think severe calorie restriction to reach BMI 22 just to get back to 27 two months later is not worth the effort. Mirek :: I had an interesting comment from my wife this morning. We :: were comparing weight loss numbers and she told me she wants [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] :: So, my question is: When is thin, thin enough? Opinions and :: comments please. My opinion is that it's up to you. You'll never get me to believe, without your doctor telling you, or some pending health problem, that you're not at a healthy weight already. IMO, there is no OPTIMAL weight other than that which you like and can maintain. I think it is a no brainer. Keep going. You are not happy at your current weight. It is evident from your post. Lets face it, you can always gain back some if you want. Most people say I am thin enough. I know I am not where I want to be, so I am going to keep going. I suggest you go to where you want to go. Do it in 5 pound goals until you are happy. If you want to make sure you are not getting carried away, have you BF tested. BMI means nothing. That scale is a joke. JMHO, Curt SignatureStarted low carb May '03 211/183/180 . . 6'2" 15.78% BF Age 38 Highest weight 250 5+ years ago > I had an interesting comment from my wife this morning. We > were comparing weight loss numbers and she told me she wants [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > So, my question is: When is thin, thin enough? Opinions and > comments please. >I think it is a no brainer. Keep going. You are not happy at your current >weight. I understand the simple logic of that but I think that is the most dangerous standard. People regularly obsess over weight. Before my sister died she was always so incredibly thin--afte being obese at the end of high school. I look back to then, 15-20 years ago, and I realize she might have been anorexic or bulemic. It is VERY easy for me to think that. I know women now who says they are getting fat and there is nothing wrong with their bodies! Judging your weight by how "happy" you are with "it" is dangerous. I think people attach various "happy" ideas with losing weight. Some problems are not fixed by being skinny. And models are almost grotesquely thin. >It is evident from your post. Lets face it, you can always gain >back some if you want. Most people say I am thin enough. I know I am not [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >JMHO, >Curt DiGiTAL_ViNYL (no email) 350/314/Mar-315/200 Atkins since Jan 12, 2004 OWL-35 carbs/day (CCLL=?) I think I addressed the dangers of "getting carried away" in my post. I had my BF tested to make sure I wasn't over doing it and I suggested the same to JJ, but he is not underweight if his pictures are current. He has done a wonderful job on his weight loss and it is very impressive! Do the slide show, that is cool Anyway, I am going to lose until I am happy with my weight. That doesn't mean I have a sickness like bulimia or anorexia, if just means I want to get down to under 15% BF. To be sure you are ok, get your BF checked when you get down far enough. Curt > >I think it is a no brainer. Keep going. You are not happy at your current > >weight. [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > Atkins since Jan 12, 2004 > OWL-35 carbs/day (CCLL=?) :: I think I addressed the dangers of "getting carried away" in my :: post. I had my BF tested to make sure I wasn't over doing it and I [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] :: means I want to get down to under 15% BF. To be sure you are ok, :: get your BF checked when you get down far enough. Where do you get your checked and what method do they use? I got mine checked at the gym where I work out. It was the J &P seven site. It is supposed to be the most accurate next to submergence or bod pod, so I have read. Curt > :: I think I addressed the dangers of "getting carried away" in my > :: post. I had my BF tested to make sure I wasn't over doing it and I [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Where do you get your checked and what method do they use? >To summarize this: Objectively, I still have weight to lose. >Subjectively, I believe I still have weight to lose, but my >wife's opinion is that I can stop now. > >So, my question is: When is thin, thin enough? Opinions and >comments please. Just my opinion, but I think you've turned yourself into a hunk! I haven't seen you in person, but based on your pictures, you're looking very good, and probably don't need to get thinner. You don't want pointy elbows and knees assaulting your wife when you cuddle, do you? <G> Carol Carol Signature227/221/150 Atkins since March 12, 2004 Type 2 Diabetic since May 15, 2001 This is what backsliding does: http://photos.yahoo.com/carol_arie No kidding! He looks like a completely different.. and yes *hunky*.... guy! Ya did good! Teeb > >To summarize this: Objectively, I still have weight to lose. > >Subjectively, I believe I still have weight to lose, but my [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Carol > No kidding! He looks like a completely different.. and yes > *hunky*.... guy! Ya did good! > > Teeb Blush! Again! Thanks, the complements are nice to hear. SignatureJJ. > Just my opinion, but I think you've turned yourself into a > hunk! Blush! Thank you. > I haven't seen you in person, but based on your pictures, > you're [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > cuddle, do > you? <G> Hadn't thought of it that way, but I guess not. SignatureJJ. Hi JJ, First off, just wanted to congratulate you and your wife on doing a terrific job over there! Your pictures really show off all the hard work you've done. As to your question, I'd say it sounds like you stil want to keep going, so you should. My opinion is enough is where you feel comfortable with yourself. Obviously from your comments you're not there yet. I'm kind of going through something similar. I've got my family telling me I look good and that I've lost enough now too. They think I'm nuts for wanting to lose another 30 lbs. However, I'm the one who has to live with this body, and I know it's nowhere near what I want it to be. I've still got a spare tire around the middle and it will be gone! =D Hope this helps you out some hearing from someone else in the same boat. Let's keep those oars moving! SignaturePhil Sansotta 250/242/197.6/170 Highest (2-2003)/Back on LC (6-2003)/Current/Goal March Challenge Goal: 192.0 / loss of 6.0 lbs http://www.wideopenwest.com/~psansotta/journal.html Hey JJ, Would you mind tell me your height and other dimensions? I trying to project ahead for myself. Thanks. :: I had an interesting comment from my wife this morning. We :: were comparing weight loss numbers and she told me she wants [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] :: http://f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/jjsmythe/my_photos :: 68.4% of the man I used to be. > Hey JJ, > > Would you mind tell me your height and other dimensions? > I trying to > project ahead for myself. Thanks. Sure. I just measured all of these just to check, I think these are accurate. 5' 10" 188 pounds Neck 16.5" Chest, 45" Waist (at navel) 34" Hip 39" Wrist 7.5" Forearm 13.5" Bicep 15" Thigh 24" Calf 16" I wear a 42R Jacket Dress shirt, currently 17" collar, 34/35. Pants are currently 32x30 to 32x32 depending on brand (yeah I know, a 34" waist but 32" pants...but that's the way it is...I don't wear my pants at my navel.) I still want to bring the chest, waist and hip measurements down a bit, need to add a bit of muscle on my arms. I'm cool with my legs. SignatureJJ. 275/188/183, BMI 27.0 - as of Mar 19, 2004 Atkins since Sep 1, 2003 http://f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/jjsmythe/my_photos 68.4% of the man I used to be. > I had an interesting comment from my wife this morning. We > were comparing weight loss numbers and she told me she wants [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > So, my question is: When is thin, thin enough? Opinions and > comments please. My opinion is that you can safely lose more weight (I saw your photo). Basically if you still have a lot of flab, and if you do weight training, you can lose more weight. People will tell you that you do not need to lose weight because of biased perceptions. i i :: in article <vzA7c.57773$_w.911214@attbi_s53>, JJ wrote: ::: I had an interesting comment from my wife this morning. We [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] :: training, you can lose more weight. People will tell you that you do :: not need to lose weight because of biased perceptions. That's true. I get that from people all the time, but I know I need to lose more -- and I weigh 240. I'd say, though, that it's not based on biased perceptions so much as it is the fact that if you wear clothes that fit correctly people just can't see how fat you really are. Thank God for clothes :) >:: in article <vzA7c.57773$_w.911214@attbi_s53>, JJ wrote: >::: I had an interesting comment from my wife this morning. We [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > correctly people just can't see how fat you really are. Thank God for > clothes :) You are 6 feet and somewhat muscular and large framed, right? I think that there are several reasons why people tell others to stop losing. The first obvious reason is that they are right and the dieter is already thin enough, meaning that he or she has a decent bodyfat percentage. The second reason is envy. The third reason is trying to be flattering, ah, you look so great, you do not need to lose anymore. The fourth reason, as I stated, is biased perceptions. If they are used to seeing you as a huge pile of fat and you are not as fat, they think that the qualitative change that happened is enough. The fifth reason is that rapid weight loss evokes vague fears of diseases that cause it, and causes a generalized anxiety. Same is for eating disorders, which are a real possibility for dieters. So, it is a mixture of causes, like always in life, almost nothing is explained or driven by only one factor. Time to use some worldly wisdom. I :: In article <c3mvbl$2a3dur$1@ID-166706.news.uni-berlin.de>, Roger :: Zoul wrote: [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] :: :: You are 6 feet and somewhat muscular and large framed, right? 6'1", yes to the rest.... :: I think that there are several reasons why people tell others to stop :: losing. You're right -- I was thinking in terms of my case... :: The first obvious reason is that they are right and the dieter is :: already thin enough, meaning that he or she has a decent bodyfat :: percentage. My guess is that this one is rarely the case in teh US...it may happen if the dieter is gettin really, really skinny. :: The second reason is envy. I can see this, but I don't think people envy me. I was so ugly at 367 that I'm sure they thank me for not messing up their view. :: The third reason is trying to be flattering, ah, you look so great, :: you do not need to lose anymore. Right...however, I don't understand the reason for adding the latter part of the statement. I never do if I think someone is obviously still overweight, but I will compliment someone IF I know them well enough and thing they won't be offended. Curiously, I don't know anyone right now in RL that is even trying to lose weight. :: The fourth reason, as I stated, is biased perceptions. If they are :: used :: to seeing you as a huge pile of fat and you are not as fat, they :: think :: that the qualitative change that happened is enough. Is this the same as the one above? :: The fifth reason is that rapid weight loss evokes vague fears of :: diseases that cause it, and causes a generalized anxiety. Same is :: for eating disorders, which are a real possibility for dieters. Yes... :: So, it is a mixture of causes, like always in life, almost nothing is :: explained or driven by only one factor. Time to use some worldly :: wisdom. Well, I don't think most have a combination of reasons, but I agree that people will respond that way for a variety of different reasons. You are thin enough when your 19 year old mistress accepts that you don't want a divorce. > I had an interesting comment from my wife this morning. We > were comparing weight loss numbers and she told me she wants [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > So, my question is: When is thin, thin enough? Opinions and > comments please. :: You are thin enough when your 19 year old mistress accepts that you :: don't want a divorce. No, no....you are thin enough when you get a 19 year old mistress! :) ::: I had an interesting comment from my wife this morning. We ::: were comparing weight loss numbers and she told me she wants [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] ::: http://f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/jjsmythe/my_photos ::: 68.4% of the man I used to be. >>> You are thin enough when your 19 year old mistress >>> accepts that you >>> don't want a divorce. > > No, no....you are thin enough when you get a 19 year old > mistress! :) I have a 19 year old college student...does that count? SignatureJJ. :: Roger Zoul wrote: ::: Cubit wrote: [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] :: :: I have a 19 year old college student...does that count? ?? It depends on what "have" means :) I hope that doesn't count, though. >>> Roger Zoul wrote: >>>> Cubit wrote: [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > doesn't count, > though. Sorry, I was a bit too vague. "Have" as in one of my children, now in college, demanding much of my time and budget...(As I presume a mistress might do. And no, I never intend to find out whether the latter is correct.) In this context the only thing getting "thin" is my wallet. SignatureJJ. 275/188/183, BMI 27.0 - as of Mar 19, 2004 Atkins since Sep 1, 2003 http://f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/jjsmythe/my_photos 68.4% of the man I used to be. :: Roger Zoul wrote: ::: JJ wrote: [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] :: :: In this context the only thing getting "thin" is my wallet. :) I see. So you know your wallet is thin for sure :) Are you going to keep losing? > Are you going to keep losing? The short answer is yes, to what weight precisely is still in question. I'm planning to summarize everything I received in response from everybody and post that summary back to the group. Many thanks to all who posted in reply. SignatureJJ. Well you look great congratulations!! I personally think you don't need to lose anymore but my opinion on that matter doesn't really count so. :) Also as important as your wife's opinion is to you, how you feel about yourself and your opinion about your weight loss should be the most important. It is you who is carrying the 10 or 15 pounds and you who has to decide to live with it or not. If you still aren't comfortable with your weight loss and think you need a little more then you should do it, you should ultimately be doing this for yourself. Again that's just my opinion. :) Good luck with the last little bit, if you decide to go for it, and congratulations again you look awesome!! Nikole http://www.geocities.com/tater7712001/nikoleslowcarbadventure.html?1078386019830 > When is thin, thin enough? Use some objective measure like body fat percentage. I like the chapter in Protein Power by Drs Eades that gives directions to find body fat percentage. The gold standard for BF% is immersion. Gyms often offer the measurement as a service. But generally, ten pounds over what the insurance tables say is a simple and easy guide. this is a funny question, women have been struggling with this problem forever! Welcome to our world! Open up any magazine if you really want to feel crazy! >> So, my question is: When is thin, thin enough? Opinions and > comments please. > this is a funny question, women have been struggling with > this problem [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >>> and >>> comments please. Thank you for the reply. I'm curious; Why do woman struggle with this problem? I don't mean the problem of being overweight, I mean the problem of knowing when one is thin enough? I'm not struggling with this question, at least not any longer. I've pretty much already made up my mind to go ahead and drop at least another 10 pounds...for lots of reasons. I will probably visit the question again in about 3 months as this is how long I expect it to take to get this last 10 pounds off. Between now and then I will have had my annual physical as well so I will have that as a data point from which to judge how I will proceed. However, so far as my question goes: Recall that the reason I asked the question at all was because of a comment made by my wife. From her viewpoint, however subjective it might be, she stated that she thought I had already lost enough weight. Had it been anybody but her I wouldn't have given it a second thought and would have continued to proceed--possibly blindly--down the path I had set for myself. I asked because I wanted to hear from others that I respect what they thought of this. And I got exactly what I was looking for, a fairly large number of opinions were expressed and some excellent suggestions were made about how to proceed from here. Now here is food for thought: Of those folks who were kind enough to respond (for the postings I saw that didn't hit the bit bucket on my server) nearly all the women leaned toward my wife's point of view, and all but one of the gentlemen told me I had more to lose. I'm flattered by the complements I've received, but not offended in the least by those stating I have more to lose...probably because this is an opinion I share. But I'm not quite sure what to make of the bias along gender lines. I don't have a problem with it, just something I have been thinking about. Finally, lest I haven't properly thanked all who have replied to this question, please accept my thanks now. SignatureJJ. 275/187/183, BMI 26.8 - as of Mar 25, 2004 Atkins since Sep 1, 2003 http://f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/jjsmythe/my_photos 68.0% of the man I used to be. Well, I can't speak for all women, but I like a man who feels a bit softer to the touch. Hard body muscle men don't appeal to me at all. Because of their testosterone, men have bodies that are naturally harder than women's. However, life being the way it is, my SO is very thin, I would rather he felt less bony but it isn't going to happen. He is sort of a natural low carber, I think, as he never has been a bread eater and doesn't have a sweet tooth. When I first started low carbing he lost weight, I had to start fixing him rice and potatoes with some meals as he was quite happy eating the meat, salads and low carb veggies along with me. In news:7l59c.14314$w54.109570@attbi_s01, JJ <jj@a.b> stated | Thank you for the reply. I'm curious; Why do woman struggle | with this problem? I don't mean the problem of being [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] | http://f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/jjsmythe/my_photos | 68.0% of the man I used to be. > Well, I can't speak for all women, but I like a man who > feels a bit [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > salads and low > carb veggies along with me. Thanks, this is helpful in giving me some insight. Carol (Damsel) had made a comment similar to this where she stated: "You don't want pointy elbows and knees assaulting your wife when you cuddle, do you? <G>" With the big grin I interpreted this as a joke, now I see that she might have meant it as a tongue in cheek comment. Possibly the proverbial truth told in jest. I've been married for 21 years but I think I still have much to learn. SignatureJJ. >Carol (Damsel) had made a comment similar to this where she >stated: "You don't want pointy elbows and knees assaulting >your wife when you cuddle, do you? <G>" With the big grin >I interpreted this as a joke, now I see that she might have >meant it as a tongue in cheek comment. Possibly the >proverbial truth told in jest. I just meant that, in my estimation, you look perfect. (Remember, I also said, "Hubba-hubba!") Anything can be taken too far, and that includes weight loss. Just do what makes you happy, but figure out what your real reasons are. Hopefully, they're something other than reaching a certain number. Best wishes! Carol, the fit and trim person who is temporarily wearing a fat suit Signature227/221/150 (mini-goal, One-derland) Low Carb (again) since March 12, 2004 Type 2 Diabetic since May 15, 2001 This is what backsliding does: http://photos.yahoo.com/carol_arie > I just meant that, in my estimation, you look perfect. > (Remember, I [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Carol, the fit and trim person who is temporarily wearing > a fat suit Good evening Carol, and thanks again for the positive reinforcement. I hope you didn't interpret my comments as being critical of your comments. I intended quite the opposite; your reply was one of those I referred to when I said I was flattered by the complements. So far as your last comment goes: My reason is definitely not a number, but the numbers are a way to keep score. My objective has been, since day one, to reach a weight that will be maintainable for the long haul that is also healthy...I think optimal was the best word used to describe it in a reply. My horizons were just expanded a bit regarding what optimal is. (BTW, the name Carol always instantly reminds me of Christmas and makes me smile. An obvious connection no doubt, but consistent, and I like to smile.) SignatureJJ. >Good evening Carol, and thanks again for the positive >reinforcement. I hope you didn't interpret my comments as >being critical of your comments. I intended quite the >opposite; your reply was one of those I referred to when I >said I was flattered by the complements. No, I didn't take your comment as being critical. Not a problem. >So far as your last comment goes: My reason is definitely >not a number, but the numbers are a way to keep score. My [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >it in a reply. My horizons were just expanded a bit >regarding what optimal is. How *are* you defining optimal now? Or is that definition a work in progress? >(BTW, the name Carol always instantly reminds me of >Christmas and makes me smile. An obvious connection no >doubt, but consistent, and I like to smile.) *SMILE* Glad to be of service! Carol, the fit and trim person who is temporarily wearing a fat suit Signature227/221/150 (mini-goal, One-derland) Low Carb (again) since March 12, 2004 Type 2 Diabetic since May 15, 2001 This is what backsliding does: http://photos.yahoo.com/carol_arie > How *are* you defining optimal now? Or is that definition > a work in > progress? Definitely still a work in progress. But then, I consider life to be a work in progress in general and, to be successful, one often has to be pragmatic. I still don't know what optimal will be, but I think that it will not be an endpoint so much as a state which must vary over time. Here in this group a low-carb diet tends to be regarded as a way of eating which should be for life. For me this effort to get my weight and overall state of health back where it should be is, for me, a controlled life changing event. There are always going to be outside uncontrollable events and influences that have to be dealt with as they come and I, as do all of us I guess, adapt as necessary to deal with them. Hence this will always be a work in process. There are factors and influences in my life which are getting focus now that they weren't getting any attention six months ago. Dealing with these defines influences what optimal is. Such as: Health situations with both of my parents and my wife's mother. Work/life balance (A biggie as I am the classic workaholic.) More exercise (both because I want to and I can.) The reason for this thread..suddenly realizing that my wife might actually care about how I look and feel. Some of these I can control and manage, but have never chosen to do so...may have never know that I could or should. In other cases I'm having to learn how to manage. Others, well we makes plans and contingency plans and deal with things as they come. SignatureJJ. Yes, I can tell you all about bony elbows poking me in the arm at night. And think about it, what do guys like to grab? A nicy cushy boob, right? In news:IX59c.14119$JO3.23448@attbi_s04, JJ <jj@a.b> stated | Thanks, this is helpful in giving me some insight. | [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] | -- | JJ. > To summarize this: Objectively, I still have weight to lose. > Subjectively, I believe I still have weight to lose, but my > wife's opinion is that I can stop now. I guess your wife is happy no matter how you look. > So, my question is: When is thin, thin enough? Opinions and > comments please. How do you look in bathing trunks in public? Are you comfortable walking around like that? > How do you look in bathing trunks in public? Are you > comfortable > walking around like that? At this point I probably would walk around in bathing trunks. How comfortable I would be remains to be seen. SignatureJJ. >At this point I probably would walk around in bathing >trunks. How comfortable I would be remains to be seen. WE WANT PICTURES!!!!! Carol, the fit and trim person who is temporarily wearing a fat suit Signature227/220.5/150 (mini-goal, One-derland) Low Carb (again) since March 12, 2004 Type 2 Diabetic since May 15, 2001 This is what backsliding does: http://photos.yahoo.com/carol_arie |
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