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curt - 22 Mar 2004 18:58 GMT
I just wanted to share this.  This past week I was a idiot when it came to
eating and drinking beer.  During the course of the week I drank two cases
(at least) of Guinness and three pints of Hagan Daaz after eating some late
night food which was to slow the effects of alcohol and sober me up before
bed.  Of course the sugar from the Hagan Daaz didn't help in the sleep
department, but it did taste good.  Anyway, I ate like a pig and drank like
a fish, but did manage to exercise three days that week and did lots of
walking in the parade playing my bagpipe.

The point is, I was at the gym today  and looked in the mirror and didn't
think I looked too bad.   I walked by the scale and thought, what the heck,
I am going to see how much I weigh.  I stepped on and was 185.  This was
after workout and mid day.  I usually weigh at least 2-3 pounds more in mid
day than morning.  I was amazed.  You can have a bad week and not go off the
deep end.  I will confess, I work out a lot and I figure that has more to do
with this than anything.  It seems you can eat more if you work out and not
gain.

I am pretty happy about this and just wanted to mention that there may be
light at the end of the tunnel and it isn't a train.

Enjoy,
Curt

I am leaving my number alone, since I weigh in the morning.
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ADC - 23 Mar 2004 02:41 GMT
The hardest thing to geth through to some people is that a bad day (or even
week) won't blow this way of eating.  Just get back on the wagon.  By the
way...remind me -- what DOES Hagan Daaz taste like?  It's been a loooonnng
while.

> I just wanted to share this.  This past week I was a idiot when it came to
> eating and drinking beer.  During the course of the week I drank two cases
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>
> I am leaving my number alone, since I weigh in the morning.
JC Der Koenig - 23 Mar 2004 03:35 GMT
I love the Haagen Daaz milk chocolate with almonds ice cream bars. I'll
probably have one in July.

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Most of us probably aren't in danger of eating too little. :)

Becky P.

> The hardest thing to geth through to some people is that a bad day (or even
> week) won't blow this way of eating.  Just get back on the wagon.  By the
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> >
> > I am leaving my number alone, since I weigh in the morning.
revek - 23 Mar 2004 03:48 GMT
JC Der Koenig  burbled across the ether:
> I love the Haagen Daaz milk chocolate with almonds ice cream bars.
> I'll probably have one in July.

<blink>  ice cream is not lowcarb.  Are you feeling well?

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Damsel in dis Dress - 23 Mar 2004 04:08 GMT
>JC Der Koenig  burbled across the ether:
>> I love the Haagen Daaz milk chocolate with almonds ice cream bars.
>> I'll probably have one in July.
>
><blink>  ice cream is not lowcarb.  Are you feeling well?

I'm thinking we should make the poor guy a nice salad, to keep him on
track.

Carol
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revek - 23 Mar 2004 04:12 GMT
Damsel in dis Dress  burbled across the ether:
> I'm thinking we should make the poor guy a nice salad, to keep him on
> track.

Hee.

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The Queen of Cans and Jars - 23 Mar 2004 05:49 GMT
> >JC Der Koenig  burbled across the ether:
> >> I love the Haagen Daaz milk chocolate with almonds ice cream bars.
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> I'm thinking we should make the poor guy a nice salad, to keep him on
> track.

alas, he doesn't eat vegetables.  make him a nice polska kielbasa
instead.
Doug Freyburger - 25 Mar 2004 00:04 GMT
> JC Der Koenig  burbled across the ether:
>
> > I love the Haagen Daaz milk chocolate with almonds ice cream bars.
> > I'll probably have one in July.
>
> <blink>  ice cream is not lowcarb.  Are you feeling well?

According to my wristwatch, today is March.  July isn't later today.
July isn't even later this week.  As long as ice cream isn't one of
JC's trigger foods having some in several *months* is a long time
from now.
revek - 25 Mar 2004 03:32 GMT
Doug Freyburger  burbled across the ether:
>> JC Der Koenig  burbled across the ether:
>>
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> JC's trigger foods having some in several *months* is a long time
> from now.

It's a joke Doug.  Lighten up.

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JC Der Koenig - 25 Mar 2004 03:51 GMT
> Doug Freyburger  burbled across the ether:
> >> JC Der Koenig  burbled across the ether:
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>
> It's a joke Doug.  Lighten up.

A joke? My self-esteem was totally crushed by your unwarranted and
unwelcomed comment.
revek - 25 Mar 2004 04:50 GMT
JC Der Koenig  burbled across the ether:
> A joke? My self-esteem was totally crushed by your unwarranted and
> unwelcomed comment.

LOL.  You know you are universally loved and admired.  Why else would
there be at least 2 threads a week focusing on your wonderfulness?

<smooootch>

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JC Der Koenig - 25 Mar 2004 05:04 GMT
> JC Der Koenig  burbled across the ether:
> > A joke? My self-esteem was totally crushed by your unwarranted and
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>
> <smooootch>

Thanks, I needed that.
Marsha - 26 Mar 2004 02:48 GMT
 there be at least 2 threads a week focusing on your
wonderfulness?

Wonderfulness?  Is that a real word? (especially in the
context of JC)

Marsha/Ohio
revek - 26 Mar 2004 10:32 GMT
Marsha  burbled across the ether:

>   there be at least 2 threads a week focusing on your
> wonderfulness?
>
> Wonderfulness?  Is that a real word? (especially in the
> context of JC)

Context is everything.  :)

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JJ - 26 Mar 2004 10:35 GMT
> Context is everything.  :)

I thought perception was everything ;)

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ADC - 23 Mar 2004 04:21 GMT
huh?
> I love the Haagen Daaz milk chocolate with almonds ice cream bars. I'll
> probably have one in July.
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> > >
> > > I am leaving my number alone, since I weigh in the morning.
Luna - 23 Mar 2004 04:29 GMT
Ooo!  Ooo!  Let me 'splain it.  JC is all about sticking to low-carb foods
when you are fat and trying to lose weight, but then when you're not fat
anymore you can eat whatever you want in moderation. "Moderation" meaning
you don't eat so much of it that you get fat again.  Makes sense to me.  

> huh?
> > I love the Haagen Daaz milk chocolate with almonds ice cream bars. I'll
> > probably have one in July.

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Roger Zoul - 23 Mar 2004 15:21 GMT
:: Ooo!  Ooo!  Let me 'splain it.  JC is all about sticking to low-carb
:: foods when you are fat and trying to lose weight, but then when
:: you're not fat anymore you can eat whatever you want in moderation.
:: "Moderation" meaning you don't eat so much of it that you get fat
:: again.  Makes sense to me.

Fat people typically aren't good at moderation when it comes to food.
Slippery slope, that is.

:: In article <105vba98ov8ak99@corp.supernews.com>,
::  "ADC" <thecrims@charter.net> wrote:
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:: I have only 3 flaws.  My first flaw is thinking that I only have 3
:: flaws.
JC Der Koenig - 24 Mar 2004 02:37 GMT
> :: Ooo!  Ooo!  Let me 'splain it.  JC is all about sticking to low-carb
> :: foods when you are fat and trying to lose weight, but then when
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Fat people typically aren't good at moderation when it comes to food.
> Slippery slope, that is.

But there is hope that one day you won't be a fat person anymore and you'll
actually learn to enjoy moderation. If you really blow it, at least you
should have learned how to get back on track with this diet.
ADC - 24 Mar 2004 03:13 GMT
exactly

> > :: Ooo!  Ooo!  Let me 'splain it.  JC is all about sticking to low-carb
> > :: foods when you are fat and trying to lose weight, but then when
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> actually learn to enjoy moderation. If you really blow it, at least you
> should have learned how to get back on track with this diet.
Roger Zoul - 24 Mar 2004 14:36 GMT
:: exactly
:::
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
::: it, at least you should have learned how to get back on track with
::: this diet.

I honestly don't think moderation will work for many people, unless you
average over time.  That is, I don't think formerly fat people who lost a
lot of weight on LC will be able to eat carby stuff in moderation every day.
I think what will work is if they do LC during the week for five days, and
then allow some carbs on the weekend (or something along those lines).  By
strictly following some kind of plan like that, they can achieve
'moderation' over a span of time.

Never forget -- there is a reason why many of us got so fat.  We're highly
prone to eating carbs and food in excess -- and most of us have a life-long
background of doing so.  While others here report differently, I find that I
still like everything I ever ate while getting fat (that doesn't mean I
always want to eat those things or that I always eat them), so for me
'moderation' will mean keeping tight control most of the time and only
having 'planned' periods where I loosen control. Also, working to a plan
means you don't get off track.  Those who fail to plan, plan to ----.

IMO, if you're a life-long fat person that doesn't want to always be fat,
then you must bear some cross of this form. Moderation of the type most
people think of is simply not an option for us.  Again, IMO.
Ignoramus26794 - 24 Mar 2004 14:47 GMT
>:: exactly
>:::
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> then you must bear some cross of this form. Moderation of the type most
> people think of is simply not an option for us.  Again, IMO.

Moderation works for me for some foods and does not work for others. I
can eat bread and potatoes in moderation (I no longer like potatoes
much). I highly doubt that I could, long term, eat sweets in
moderation.

i
Roger Zoul - 24 Mar 2004 23:36 GMT
:: In article <c3s2og$2adia2$1@ID-166706.news.uni-berlin.de>, Roger
:: Zoul wrote:
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:: much). I highly doubt that I could, long term, eat sweets in
:: moderation.

Interesting.  I never abused normal food, like rice, beads, bread, potatoes.
But sweets and junk food (ie, potato chips, etc.) are my true curse.  But
the question I haven't really answers is this: did eating normal carby foods
like rice, breads, potatoes, etc, increase my desire for sweets? I'm not
sure if I really know that connection.  Somehow, I think they do.

:: i
jpatti - 24 Mar 2004 23:10 GMT
> I honestly don't think moderation will work for many people, unless you
> average over time.  That is, I don't think formerly fat people who lost a
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> strictly following some kind of plan like that, they can achieve
> 'moderation' over a span of time.

I agree.  Course I'm diabetic so pasta and potatoes are never going to
be a staple in my diet anyways no matter how skinny I become.

I think that going on-and-off a "diet" is a recipe for failure for
most of us, whether diabetic or not.  I think real success comes from
low-carb as a permanent lifestyle change rather than a short-term fix.
Induction is a short-term fix, but low-carb is a different way of
eating for the rest of my life.
ADC - 24 Mar 2004 03:12 GMT
heh heh--i picture horshack from welcome back carter raising his
hand---oooooh  ooooooh..lol!
> Ooo!  Ooo!  Let me 'splain it.  JC is all about sticking to low-carb foods
> when you are fat and trying to lose weight, but then when you're not fat
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> > > I love the Haagen Daaz milk chocolate with almonds ice cream bars. I'll
> > > probably have one in July.
JC Der Koenig - 23 Mar 2004 04:29 GMT
Notice that even though I love that ice cream, I'm not eating it.

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Most of us probably aren't in danger of eating too little. :)

Becky P.

> huh?
> > I love the Haagen Daaz milk chocolate with almonds ice cream bars. I'll
[quoted text clipped - 52 lines]
> > > >
> > > > I am leaving my number alone, since I weigh in the morning.
bidkev - 23 Mar 2004 10:16 GMT
> Notice that even though I love that ice cream, I'm not eating it.

My hero! Look folks! What a brave chappy.

>> huh?
>>> I love the Haagen Daaz milk chocolate with almonds ice cream bars.
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>>>>> Age 38
>>>>> Highest weight 250 5+ years ago
curt - 25 Mar 2004 17:15 GMT
Strange thread.

I started out just saying what is going on to see what people think and JC
took over.  I have him on ignore, but people always respond to him.  Not
sure why,
Curt

> I just wanted to share this.  This past week I was a idiot when it came to
> eating and drinking beer.  During the course of the week I drank two cases
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
>
> I am leaving my number alone, since I weigh in the morning.
FOB - 25 Mar 2004 18:42 GMT
It's an addiction.

In news:qAD8c.8687$Uh5.3615@nwrdny01.gnilink.net,
curt <nospam@verizon.net> stated
| Strange thread.
|
| I started out just saying what is going on to see what people think
| and JC took over.  I have him on ignore, but people always respond to
| him.  Not sure why,
| Curt
JC Der Koenig - 26 Mar 2004 02:38 GMT
Because you're boring?

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Most of us probably aren't in danger of eating too little. :)

Becky P.

> Strange thread.
>
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> >
> > I am leaving my number alone, since I weigh in the morning.
 
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