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Weight Loss Forum / Low Carb / March 2004Holy moly I ate a lot today
1790 calories! Yikes! That damn steak my dad made, it was so good I ate it all. 862 calories from that alone. Thank you FitDay, otherwise I'd have had no idea. I guess it's sort of balanced out by the fact that I only ate 555 calories yesterday, (I was about to make dinner, then got invited to a boy's house *grin*) but this is showing me I _really_ need to get my portion sizes under control, because that did not look like a huge steak to me, but calorie-wise it certainly was.  SignatureMichelle Levin http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick I have only 3 flaws. My first flaw is thinking that I only have 3 flaws. That's why I don't eat steak....when I'm actively trying to lose, that is. :: 1790 calories! Yikes! That damn steak my dad made, it was so good :: I ate it all. 862 calories from that alone. Thank you FitDay, [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] :: I have only 3 flaws. My first flaw is thinking that I only have 3 :: flaws. Yeah, it wasn't a problem for the first 40 or so pounds, but I see I'm going to have to put this on the "occasional" list, from now on, lol. Or maybe not wait until I'm ravenously hungry to eat it? Eat a big salad first, then a truly normal steak portion, perhaps. Ah well, I can only eat them when my dad makes them anyway, so they're self limiting to some extent. > That's why I don't eat steak....when I'm actively trying to lose, that is. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > :: because that did not look like a huge steak to me, but calorie-wise > :: it certainly was. SignatureMichelle Levin http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick I have only 3 flaws. My first flaw is thinking that I only have 3 flaws. > > :: 1790 calories! Yikes! That damn steak my dad made, it was so good Funny...I eat that many calories by 2pm. Still would have 1500 or so to go after 1700. >1790 calories! Yikes! That damn steak my dad made, it was so good I ate >it all. 862 calories from that alone. Thank you FitDay, otherwise I'd [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >get my portion sizes under control, because that did not look like a huge >steak to me, but calorie-wise it certainly was. I get bounces like that. Yesterday was a low day for me too and when I woke up I was starving. TOday was high, but it evens out over time. I also tend to have overly high beef calorie counts. There is always excess beef in the pan and the plate, and trimming(depending upon the cut). I never bother to try and figure how much fat isn't being eaten. Ground beef is an obvious one. I make lots of chili/taco filling. 85% lean forms a decent pool of grease. I run the loose beef in a colander with hot water cause I don't like chilli to be greasy. I Still count it in the calories even though I've drastically cut that fat--and therefore significant cals. DiGiTAL_ViNYL (no email) 350/313/Mar-315/200 Atkins since Jan 12, 2004 OWL-35 carbs/day (CCLL=?) > 1790 calories! Yikes! That damn steak my dad made, it was so good I ate > it all. 862 calories from that alone. Thank you FitDay, otherwise I'd > have had no idea. I guess it's sort of balanced out by the fact that I > only ate 555 calories yesterday, (I was about to make dinner, then got > invited to a boy's house *grin*) A "boy?" Were you babysitting? ;-) carla > > 1790 calories! Yikes! That damn steak my dad made, it was so good I ate > > it all. 862 calories from that alone. Thank you FitDay, otherwise I'd [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > carla LOL! Not really a "boy," I was just being cute. It's a reflection of my feelings for him, how they remind me of having a crush on "the cute boy" back in high school. SignatureMichelle Levin http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick I have only 3 flaws. My first flaw is thinking that I only have 3 flaws. > > A "boy?" Were you babysitting? ;-) > > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > feelings for him, how they remind me of having a crush on "the cute boy" > back in high school. That's sweet. :-) I hope you had a nice time with him. carla Hi Luna, I symphatize with you. I have the same problem. I have learned about decreasing calories to loose weight; lowering carbs to control appetite/hunger/cravings and exercise to keep the body/mind fit. I'll be honest and admit portion size is my weakness. Firstly, I don't like counting stuff and measuring, etc., secondly I have no time and thirdly I delude myself in thinking I'm a fairly good approximator of cals/carbs by simply eyeballing food portion. To count calories accurately food need to be weighted properly (with a good scale), and have reliable source for the true caloric value of a particular food. However, measuring tools are not always at our disposal. So what to do? Visualizing is one method, although not 100% accurate, it gives an idea. To be on the safe side, add 10% cals/carbs when you don't know for sure. Why 10%. Just a number I choose at random. It's up to you add 2%, or 25% or whatever. I like to be a strict with calories. Example 1: Take a bag of almonds weighing 100gr = 650 cals. This amount fits in the cup of my hand (ok a few bits fell on the floor). If I want to consume half the calories, I will eat half of what's in my hand (325 cals). That's easy enough, but I'm not sure if I have eaten EXACTLY half, so, to be on the safe side I add 10% of 325 cals. Example 2: Let's say a 4oz steak (cooked) = 350 cals (I made up the numbers for argument sake); this size steak fits nicely in the palm of my hand. I, now, know what a 4oz steak look like, and how many calories it has. With that base I can decrease or increase the portion size because I can visualize what a 4oz steak looks like in my palm or plate if you prefer. I like this method it's fast and easy and my hand will always be there to help ;) fingers are good to measure cheese. > 1790 calories! Yikes! That damn steak my dad made, it was so good I ate > it all. 862 calories from that alone. Thank you FitDay, otherwise I'd [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > get my portion sizes under control, because that did not look like a huge > steak to me, but calorie-wise it certainly was. Remember the first Atkins book back in the 1970's that said you could eat all the steak you wanted. If you wanted 2 or 3 steaks for dinner eat them. Whatever happened to that theory. >Remember the first Atkins book back in the 1970's that said you could >eat all the steak you wanted. If you wanted 2 or 3 steaks for dinner eat >them. Whatever happened to that theory. It stills work for some. Yesterday was a pigout day for me, but I'm testing soemthing that I think causes craving for some odd reason. I ate over 3100 calories! Haven't done that in 6-7 weeks. I had munchies and my eyes were too big for my appetite. My appetite without the carbs has maintained me down to under 2000 calories average. Which is very good for my body. However if it didn't get me that low I would have to use willpower or look for something else to possibly push down further later in my loss. I do eat whenever I'm hungry... I also make sure I'm not thirsty--which we sometimes confuse for hunger. DiGiTAL_ViNYL (no email) 350/313/Mar-315/200 Atkins since Jan 12, 2004 OWL-35 carbs/day (CCLL=?) > Remember the first Atkins book back in the 1970's that said you could > eat all the steak you wanted. If you wanted 2 or 3 steaks for dinner eat > them. Whatever happened to that theory. I think it works in the beginning. When you've only a few pounds to lose, though, it doesn't work. Plus, there was a change for me -- when I did induction, I was totally starving, looking for sweets or something I guess. This happened for quite a while. I ate like a horse. Now, I eat a lot less. SignatureBob in CT Remove ".x" to reply > Remember the first Atkins book back in the 1970's that said you could > eat all the steak you wanted. If you wanted 2 or 3 steaks for dinner eat > them. Whatever happened to that theory. I have that edition, along with the 1995 DANDR. Neither ever says any such thing, but it's a popular misinterpretation. Eat enough to be satisified doesn't mean eat all you want. Signaturejamie (jamiemck@newsguy.com) "There's a seeker born every minute." > Remember the first Atkins book back in the 1970's that said you could > eat all the steak you wanted. If you wanted 2 or 3 steaks for dinner eat > them. Whatever happened to that theory. Some people decided that they wanted to chronically over eat, so they failed to lose. Too much is still too much just like too little is still too little. In later editions he forbid over eating but didn't give any guidelines. He figured that if you give people food that triggers no cravings at all, none will over eat and few will under eat. It's true for more people than you would think but it isn't true for everyone. > I have learned about decreasing calories to loose weight; lowering > carbs to control appetite/hunger/cravings and exercise to keep the > body/mind fit. Hi Pat, I used to be hungry a lot. Is it the low carbs or high fat content that gives one satiation? Or some combination of both? Now I'm at about 1700 to 1900 Calories a day, whereas before I was at 2500+ Calories a day. This way of eating has helped control my appetite a lot, and reduces my Calorie intake without any thought about it on my part. Just seems to happen naturally, so far. From your post, it appears this trend will not continue and I'll have to start counting Calories as well as carbs? But I have a long way to go ... today is day 10 on induction. SignatureSteve 250/239.5/170 (day 10) sconnet@coxDOTnet 1790 calories for your body composition is not that much. i > 1790 calories! Yikes! That damn steak my dad made, it was so good I ate > it all. 862 calories from that alone. Thank you FitDay, otherwise I'd [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > get my portion sizes under control, because that did not look like a huge > steak to me, but calorie-wise it certainly was. Yeah, I know that. But I'm aiming for around 8x my body weight, or less if I can eat less and not feel too hungry. I weigh 156 pounds, so I'm trying for a weekly average of around 1200 calories. So far, even with yesterday's pig-out, I'm doing ok. My 5 day average is 1190. Since I don't have a scale yet, that may not be exact, though I'm measuring as best I can. > 1790 calories for your body composition is not that much. > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > get my portion sizes under control, because that did not look like a huge > > steak to me, but calorie-wise it certainly was. SignatureMichelle Levin http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick I have only 3 flaws. My first flaw is thinking that I only have 3 flaws. :: Yeah, I know that. But I'm aiming for around 8x my body weight, or :: less if I can eat less and not feel too hungry. Believe or not, but hunger over the short term at least, doesn't increase beyond how you feel when you first get those pangs. It subsides. I mention it only because I used to fear being hungry...after fasting (i'm doing it again now), I've learned not to fear it. I weigh 156 pounds, :: so I'm trying for a weekly average of around 1200 calories. So far, :: even with yesterday's pig-out, I'm doing ok. My 5 day average is [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] :: I have only 3 flaws. My first flaw is thinking that I only have 3 :: flaws. > :: Yeah, I know that. But I'm aiming for around 8x my body weight, or > :: less if I can eat less and not feel too hungry. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > I mention it only because I used to fear being hungry...after fasting (i'm > doing it again now), I've learned not to fear it. That's another part of my experiment. I want to remain "a little hungry" but not ravenously hungry. I want to maintain as much as possible that feeling I have when I'm hungry enough to eat something if someone else makes it, but not hungry enough to get up and cook for myself. SignatureMichelle Levin http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick I have only 3 flaws. My first flaw is thinking that I only have 3 flaws. :: In article <c3pnno$2asf6d$1@ID-166706.news.uni-berlin.de>, :: "Roger Zoul" <rogerzoul2@hotmail.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] :: if someone else makes it, but not hungry enough to get up and cook :: for myself. I haven't eaten since Sunday night and I'm not still not ravenously hungry. And I've been exercising, too. :: -- :: Michelle Levin :: http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick :: :: I have only 3 flaws. My first flaw is thinking that I only have 3 :: flaws. > :: In article <c3pnno$2asf6d$1@ID-166706.news.uni-berlin.de>, > :: "Roger Zoul" <rogerzoul2@hotmail.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > I haven't eaten since Sunday night and I'm not still not ravenously hungry. > And I've been exercising, too. I guess your body works differently from mine, then. *shrug* If I go too long without eating, I don't just feel hungry, I actually feel weak and dizzy. SignatureMichelle Levin http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick I have only 3 flaws. My first flaw is thinking that I only have 3 flaws. >> :: In article <c3pnno$2asf6d$1@ID-166706.news.uni-berlin.de>, >> :: "Roger Zoul" <rogerzoul2@hotmail.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > long without eating, I don't just feel hungry, I actually feel weak and > dizzy. Me too. I've been known to shake due to low blood sugar. SignatureBob in CT Remove ".x" to reply :: In article <c3pugb$2asc4f$1@ID-166706.news.uni-berlin.de>, :: "Roger Zoul" <rogerzoul2@hotmail.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] :: go too long without eating, I don't just feel hungry, I actually :: feel weak and dizzy. Maybe so...funny thing, though. I used to regular experience these terrible morning headaches if I didn't eat enough the day before. At least that's what I though caused them. Also, I've familar with the ravenous hunger you refer too, and I have a fear of just that -- plus those headaches. However, neither one has shown up. And this is my second fast of this type (well, actually, the first one was just eating way way under normal -- this one is a non-eating fast). You mentioned eating only 550 kcals the other day -- so you're not that far away. The only thing is I exercise on my days. >> I haven't eaten since Sunday night and I'm not still not ravenously hungry. >> And I've been exercising, too. > >I guess your body works differently from mine, then. *shrug* If I go too >long without eating, I don't just feel hungry, I actually feel weak and >dizzy. Yeah that is a person-to-person thing. I've never experienced that. People complain of intense headaches when they are too hungry--I've never had that, even when skipping multiple meals. Mentally, this may be prejudicial in someway, I've always thought that women seemed to complain about this more often than men. DiGiTAL_ViNYL (no email) 350/313/Mar-315/200 Atkins since Jan 12, 2004 OWL-35 carbs/day (CCLL=?) Butch up already. SignatureMost of us probably aren't in danger of eating too little. :) Becky P. > > :: In article <c3pnno$2asf6d$1@ID-166706.news.uni-berlin.de>, > > :: "Roger Zoul" <rogerzoul2@hotmail.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > long without eating, I don't just feel hungry, I actually feel weak and > dizzy. LOL! When I say "I don't feel well if I don't eat all day" you say "butch up" when common sense says, duh, then don't go all day without eating. JC, if you said you had tremendous eye pain every time you stuck sharp sticks in your eyes, I'd tell you to stop sticking sharp sticks in your eyes, not to "butch up." > Butch up already. > [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > long without eating, I don't just feel hungry, I actually feel weak and > > dizzy. SignatureMichelle Levin http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick I have only 3 flaws. My first flaw is thinking that I only have 3 flaws. No, you're wrong. SignatureMost of us probably aren't in danger of eating too little. :) Becky P. > LOL! When I say "I don't feel well if I don't eat all day" you say "butch > up" when common sense says, duh, then don't go all day without eating. JC, [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > > long without eating, I don't just feel hungry, I actually feel weak and > > > dizzy. No, you are. :P > No, you're wrong. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > in your eyes, I'd tell you to stop sticking sharp sticks in your eyes, not > > to "butch up." SignatureMichelle Levin http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick I have only 3 flaws. My first flaw is thinking that I only have 3 flaws. You're weak, but it's not from lack of food. SignatureMost of us probably aren't in danger of eating too little. :) Becky P. > No, you are. :P > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > > in your eyes, I'd tell you to stop sticking sharp sticks in your eyes, not > > > to "butch up." *shrug* Maybe. I do have limits on what I chose to tolerate. I've never fasted to try to lose weight, but I've done it for other reasons, and I dislike it enough to chose to just eat less, instead of eating nothing. > You're weak, but it's not from lack of food. > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > not > > > > to "butch up." SignatureMichelle Levin http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick I have only 3 flaws. My first flaw is thinking that I only have 3 flaws. Choose, not chose. HTH SignatureMost of us probably aren't in danger of eating too little. :) Becky P. > *shrug* Maybe. I do have limits on what I chose to tolerate. I've never > fasted to try to lose weight, but I've done it for other reasons, and I [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > not > > > > > to "butch up." See what happens when I don't eat? I can't even spell! Brain . . . turning to . . . mush . . . must have fooooood . . . > Choose, not chose. HTH > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > > not > > > > > > to "butch up." SignatureMichelle Levin http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick I have only 3 flaws. My first flaw is thinking that I only have 3 flaws. > See what happens when I don't eat? I can't even spell! Brain . . . > turning to . . . mush . . . must have fooooood . . . "Food", not "fooooood" ;-) >> Choose, not chose. HTH >> [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] >>>>>>> every time you stuck sharp sticks in your eyes, I'd tell you to >>>>>>> stop sticking sharp sticks in your eyes, not to "butch up." > No, you are. :P WHY DON'T YOU JUST KILLFILE EACH OTHER AND BE DONE WITH IT aaaaaaahahahahahahaha >:: In article <c3pnno$2asf6d$1@ID-166706.news.uni-berlin.de>, >:: "Roger Zoul" <rogerzoul2@hotmail.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > I haven't eaten since Sunday night and I'm not still not ravenously hungry. > And I've been exercising, too. Wow, amazing stuff. Ihave never fasted for more than 38 hours. (my standard fast is 36 hours from meal to meal). Can you tell me more how it is going for you? Feeling good? Is your memory okay? Are you irritable or forgetful? i :: In article <c3pugb$2asc4f$1@ID-166706.news.uni-berlin.de>, Roger :: Zoul wrote: [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] :: it is going for you? Feeling good? Is your memory okay? Are you :: irritable or forgetful? Well, I'm not sure I'm beyond 36 hours yet........I'm feeling fine...probably getting a bit irritable, though...and thinking about when I'm going to eat next :) I would like to go until Wednesday morning, when I plan to have a protein meal (chicken breast). I guess I didn't start counting until Monday morn, when I would normally have eaten. Do you count from your last meal? Honestly, if I had the time, I go for a nice walk right this moment. Instead, exercise will have to wait until I get home tonight -- that will make it hard because the stationary takes incredible mental intensity to mount and ride for 40 minutes (I've already put in one 40 minute bout today, and two yesterday), especially when you've been doing it a lot. >:: In article <c3pugb$2asc4f$1@ID-166706.news.uni-berlin.de>, Roger >:: Zoul wrote: [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > fine...probably getting a bit irritable, though...and thinking about when > I'm going to eat next :) that's the same as I experience after about 24 hours of not eating. > I would like to go until Wednesday morning, when I > plan to have a protein meal (chicken breast). you know, there are issues about breaking the fast if you fast long enough. Be careful with starting to eat after a prolonged fast. That's about all I know as I do not do prolonged fasts. > I guess I didn't start counting until Monday morn, when I would > normally have eaten. Do you count from your last meal? from meal to meal. > Honestly, > if I had the time, I go for a nice walk right this moment. Instead, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > 40 minute bout today, and two yesterday), especially when you've > been doing it a lot. Be careful with intense stuff, as your glycogen may be depleted. I personally do not run etc during fasts, perhaps due to being overly cautious. I do walk though, as, I figure, the rate of fat to energy conversion is good enough for walking. i :: In article <c3pvmb$28kkj7$1@ID-166706.news.uni-berlin.de>, Roger :: Zoul wrote: [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] :: enough. Be careful with starting to eat after a prolonged fast. :: That's about all I know as I do not do prolonged fasts. Okay....I was planning to have a light protein meal....just to get protein in to prevent muscle loss. Let's see...by about 7 pm tonight it will be 48 hours since my last meal...so by the 7 am Wednesday morn, it will be 60 hours. It doesn't seem like much to me right now....I'm not even hungry (it comes and goes).. ::: I guess I didn't start counting until Monday morn, when I would ::: normally have eaten. Do you count from your last meal? :: :: from meal to meal. okay... ::: Honestly, ::: if I had the time, I go for a nice walk right this moment. Instead, [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] :: cautious. I do walk though, as, I figure, the rate of fat to energy :: conversion is good enough for walking. Right...my cardio now is longish, but not really intense....400 kcals in 40 minutes...Also, I'm off from lifting this week (my SD period on HST). The neat thing about this though, is that I'm never far from food, so if I get strange I can just eat. And I can stop working out anytime I want. But cardio on the stationary is pretty easy since there are no hits. I'm not sure if I'd want ot get on my road bike while fasting....I'd be afraid of zonking while fighting up a hill or something....out on some road somewhere....or if a dog got after me (I'd get off and punch it out :) ) BTW, I found that one of the best ways to deplete glycogen is to fast! So next time I do UD2, I'm going to be seriously cutting cals. :: In article <c3pvmb$28kkj7$1@ID-166706.news.uni-berlin.de>, Roger :: Zoul wrote: [quoted text clipped - 62 lines] :: cautious. I do walk though, as, I figure, the rate of fat to energy :: conversion is good enough for walking. Okay...I'm really starting to feel a bit weak now....right before getting on the stationary....I may have to eat something later. >:: In article <c3pvmb$28kkj7$1@ID-166706.news.uni-berlin.de>, Roger >:: Zoul wrote: [quoted text clipped - 65 lines] > Okay...I'm really starting to feel a bit weak now....right before getting on > the stationary....I may have to eat something later. Well, try to stay safe, it is only good while you are feeling well, IMHO. i :: In article <1061m20cnkdj59e@corp.supernews.com>, Roger Zoul wrote: ::: Ignoramus19359 wrote: [quoted text clipped - 74 lines] :: Well, try to stay safe, it is only good while you are feeling well, :: IMHO. Yep....about the time I was about to get on the bike, around 8pm or so, I didn't feel too good. As I started riding, things didn't get better. I've found before that sometimes hunger will disappear once I start exercising. That didn't happen last night and I started getting a bit shaky. Since I live alone -- it might be days before someone decides to check on my whereabouts and figure out that I've fallen and can't get up ( :) ), so I got off the bike and ate about 550 calories worth of LC food. Then, I felt full and had a barfing sensation. Strange. I'm back on food today. :) Up until then, I didn't find the experience bad at all. I may implement a regular Monday fast into my plan. We'll see. Not that i'm gonna do it right now, but if I were to do UD2 on a regular basis, that would actually work well, I think. Something to think about once I get leaner. >:: Well, try to stay safe, it is only good while you are feeling well, >:: IMHO. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > right now, but if I were to do UD2 on a regular basis, that would actually > work well, I think. Something to think about once I get leaner. To me, a one day fast is all I care to do in this department, and I find it highly helpful in maintaining my weight. (because it lets me eat more on other days). Plus, I have a theory that it improves my insulin sensitivity, as I regularly deplete my glycogen. i > That didn't happen last night and I started getting a bit shaky. Since I > live alone -- it might be days before someone decides to check on my > whereabouts and figure out that I've fallen and can't get up ( :) ), so I > got off the bike and ate about 550 calories worth of LC food. Then, I felt > full and had a barfing sensation. Strange. I'm back on food today. :) That does it. From now on, if Roger doesn't post within 24 hours, call 911 : ) Marsha/Ohio :: Roger Zoul wrote: :: [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] :: That does it. From now on, if Roger doesn't post within 24 :: hours, call 911 : ) :) I'm quite alright now....I had about 1800 kcals yesterday (with about 700 kcals of exercise) and I'm on track for 1800 kcal today and 800 kcals of cardio. I am a little drained, though. > I haven't eaten since Sunday night and I'm not still not ravenously hungry. > And I've been exercising, too. How the heck do you do that? Doesn't it mess up your sugar? Marsha/Ohio :: Roger Zoul wrote: :: ::: I haven't eaten since Sunday night and I'm not still not ravenously ::: hungry. And I've been exercising, too. :: :: How the heck do you do that? Doesn't it mess up your sugar? Not that I can detect. After 48 hours went by, I started feeling badly. So, I've now eaten about 500 kcals. I think that will do me for today and I'll go back to normal tomorrow. > 1790 calories! Yikes! Or not, because: > I only ate 555 calories yesterday There ya go. You under eat one day and balanced it out the next. Calories aren't an everday-day-without-exception thing. If you go under one day, go over the next and average it out. If you go over one day, go under the next and average it out. Takes a few deep breaths. You did fine. > 1790 calories! Yikes! That damn steak my dad made, it was so good I ate > it all. 862 calories from that alone. Thank you FitDay, otherwise I'd [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > get my portion sizes under control, because that did not look like a huge > steak to me, but calorie-wise it certainly was. That's more than I've eaten today I think :) 3 fried eggs 1 zoneperfect bar 3 oz peanuts 2 oz Valrhona 71% cocoa... But I have a portion of chicken stew (with veggies, beans, redwine, heavy cream) I made Sunday in the micro as I write this. |
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