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carla - 23 Mar 2004 14:03 GMT
Ouch!  The day before yesterday I started experiencing an intermittent pain
in my left butt cheek.  Ouch.  When it's really bad it radiates down my leg.
Just a couple of weeks ago I read about piriformis syndrome[1] on
misc.fitness.weights - and now I fear this is what I am beginning to suffer
from.  I am *not happy* about this.  I have really come to enjoy my
exercise, especially my weight training, and I understand that the best
remedy for piriformis syndrome is rest.  Mr. carla has already told me he's
not going to let me lift this week.  Waah!  I'm not even sure that I should
do my typical hard cardio workouts.

I'm really bummed about the prospect of a week without my weight training,
and even more depressed when I consider the very real possibility that a
week may not be enough.  I've worked very hard to make sure that I train
three times a week, no matter how many deadlines are bearing down on me at
the office and no matter what else is going on.  I love the way it makes me
feel and I don't want to miss it!  I am generally a physically strong
person - I don't get sick often and I don't normally complain of aches and
pains and let them hold me back.  I think that is part of why mr. carla is
laying down the line about the lifting - he's concerned about me because if
I am complaining of the pain it must be really bad.

I am one pound away from losing 30 lbs total since starting LC on 12/1/03.
This week, I guess I have to focus on something other than the exercise.

carla

[1] The piriformis is a small muscle that lives deep in the buttock, below
the gluteus maximus and minimus.  Apparently it resides in close proximity
to the sciatic nerve, and when it is tight or inflamed it interferes with
the sciatic nerve and causes radiating pain.  Ouch, ouch ouch ouch.
JC Der Koenig - 23 Mar 2004 14:05 GMT
Try just doing isolation exercises for your upper body, until your lower
body heals.

> Ouch!  The day before yesterday I started experiencing an intermittent pain
> in my left butt cheek.  Ouch.  When it's really bad it radiates down my leg.
[quoted text clipped - 26 lines]
> to the sciatic nerve, and when it is tight or inflamed it interferes with
> the sciatic nerve and causes radiating pain.  Ouch, ouch ouch ouch.
Roger Zoul - 23 Mar 2004 14:14 GMT
1) You don't really know what it is, right?  Don't let fear rule your mind,
see a doctor.

2) I regularly take a week off from weight training. It's part the HST
protocal that I follow.  I'm off this week and am enjoying the extra time.
I'll resume next week.  A week off ain't gonna hurt you -- think long term.

:: Ouch!  The day before yesterday I started experiencing an
:: intermittent pain in my left butt cheek.  Ouch.  When it's really
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:: inflamed it interferes with the sciatic nerve and causes radiating
:: pain.  Ouch, ouch ouch ouch.
Bear - 23 Mar 2004 14:28 GMT
Carla,

I developed those symptoms and kept going. I was doing 215 pound back
presses and I think if I had rested I may not be in the situation I'm in
today with my back. (2 herniated lumbar discs) Rest and think about the big
picture.

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> Ouch!  The day before yesterday I started experiencing an intermittent pain
> in my left butt cheek.  Ouch.  When it's really bad it radiates down my leg.
[quoted text clipped - 26 lines]
> to the sciatic nerve, and when it is tight or inflamed it interferes with
> the sciatic nerve and causes radiating pain.  Ouch, ouch ouch ouch.
Cubit - 23 Mar 2004 15:59 GMT
Carrying a wallet in my back pocket caused me some trouble.  I moved it to
my front pocket years ago.

Maybe you should see a doctor.  He can reduce your wallet size.

> Ouch!  The day before yesterday I started experiencing an intermittent pain
> in my left butt cheek.  Ouch.  When it's really bad it radiates down my leg.
[quoted text clipped - 26 lines]
> to the sciatic nerve, and when it is tight or inflamed it interferes with
> the sciatic nerve and causes radiating pain.  Ouch, ouch ouch ouch.
Emil Luca - 23 Mar 2004 16:30 GMT
Maybe a start of Sciatica?
I have it on both sides and it is not fun.  I am in the process of radio
Therapy to kill the nerve endings.  Hope it works.

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> Ouch!  The day before yesterday I started experiencing an intermittent pain
> in my left butt cheek.  Ouch.  When it's really bad it radiates down my leg.
[quoted text clipped - 26 lines]
> to the sciatic nerve, and when it is tight or inflamed it interferes with
> the sciatic nerve and causes radiating pain.  Ouch, ouch ouch ouch.
Supergoof - 25 Mar 2004 06:15 GMT
> Maybe a start of Sciatica?
> I have it on both sides and it is not fun.  I am in the process of radio
> Therapy to kill the nerve endings.  Hope it works.

Ooh, tell me more ... does it leave your legs numb, or just kill the pain?

cheers
Rachel
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Damsel in dis Dress - 23 Mar 2004 18:43 GMT
>Ouch!  The day before yesterday I started experiencing an intermittent pain
>in my left butt cheek.  Ouch.  When it's really bad it radiates down my leg.

This sounds exactly like like what I went through for months before finally
being given an MRI.  I had hurt some discs in my lower back, and the
sciatic nerve was pinched.  Does the pain get worse when you walk uphill?

If this doesn't resolive itself within a reasonable period, you may want to
ask your doctor about some testing.

Disclaimer:  This is just based on my own experience, and may not apply to
your situation at all.

Carol
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Nancy 8 03 - 23 Mar 2004 18:50 GMT
Sounds like the pain I had last week. The doctor said it was sciatic
nerve. He gave me a shot of steroids and a anti inflammatory.
Paper - 23 Mar 2004 21:23 GMT
>Ouch!  The day before yesterday I started experiencing an intermittent pain
>in my left butt cheek.  Ouch.  When it's really bad it radiates down my leg.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>not going to let me lift this week.  Waah!  I'm not even sure that I should
>do my typical hard cardio workouts.

It was I who posted the piri-formis question on mfw. I took all the
advice I got there, and applied to my own self, and I'm happy to
report that the muscle has responded. If I go a day without
stretching, the pain comes back. Good luck - it IS treatable.
BTW - I have not yet given up my regular workout routine.

Paper
carla - 24 Mar 2004 05:09 GMT
> It was I who posted the piri-formis question on mfw. I took all the
> advice I got there, and applied to my own self, and I'm happy to
> report that the muscle has responded. If I go a day without
> stretching, the pain comes back. Good luck - it IS treatable.
> BTW - I have not yet given up my regular workout routine.

Yes, I remember - I'm glad you posted it when you did, because it came to
mind when the pain started and I went back and read it again.  I will try
the stretches discussed there.

Thanks to everyone who responded to my question.  What has me freaked out is
the idea that it could be the harbinger of something serious like sciatica.
I am in the process of conquering the pain in my crunchy knees and flat
feet, by weight training losing weight - I'm already feeling so much better
that the idea of being stopped by some new horrible chronic pain is really
depressing.  I am afraid to take even a week off from exercise because I
don't want to get out of the groove of doing it regularly, making sure I get
out of the office and to the gym, and so on.

Tonight I went to the gym and worked fairly hard on the treadmill - which I
probably should not have done - and then instead of my usual full body
weight routine I did some upper body stuff - bench press, curls, triceps
extensions, that sort of thing.  I skipped the squats and deads (obviously)
and I also skipped the back work for fear that working my back would involve
my sore butt.

I'm going to take it easy for a week and try Paper's stretches.

carla
jpatti - 24 Mar 2004 20:05 GMT
> Thanks to everyone who responded to my question.  What has me freaked out is
> the idea that it could be the harbinger of something serious like sciatica.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> don't want to get out of the groove of doing it regularly, making sure I get
> out of the office and to the gym, and so on.

I "get" this... I need my exercise to be a habit.  It's *important* to
me... I feel differently being someone who "goes to the Y" than I did
before.  I like this.  I'm still a wuss, but clearly on my way to
somewhere new and it feels good.

I say do *both* - go to the gym *and* give yourself a rest.  Don't do
lower body stuff nor cardio.  Do upper body stuff and do the stretches
that are supposed to help the problem you have.  You will feel better
going.

And don't freak out worrying about what it *might* be.  It might be
nothing and then you'll have worried for no reason.  It may clear
itself up in a week or two, so see how it goes.
carla - 25 Mar 2004 05:05 GMT
[snip]
> I say do *both* - go to the gym *and* give yourself a rest.  Don't do
> lower body stuff nor cardio.  Do upper body stuff and do the stretches
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> nothing and then you'll have worried for no reason.  It may clear
> itself up in a week or two, so see how it goes.

Thanks for the good advice, jpatti.  I am already feeling a bit better so
I'm starting to think I might have dodged serious injury this time.  I am
still going to lay off the lower body workouts for this week, and do the
stretching Paper recommended, but I am slightly less freaked out today.
It's comforting to be able to walk without my leg buckling under me.

carla
Saffire - 23 Mar 2004 23:22 GMT
> Ouch!  The day before yesterday I started experiencing an intermittent pain
> in my left butt cheek.  Ouch.  When it's really bad it radiates down my leg.

Ice the lower back, 20 minutes.  I'm serious.  It can make an AMAZING difference
with sciatica, depending on what's causing it.  However, don't forget my
cautionary tale of a couple of weeks ago on icing with a combo of alcohol and
water, lest ye too end up with a relief map of Russia on your butt :-)

> I'm really bummed about the prospect of a week without my weight training,
> and even more depressed when I consider the very real possibility that a
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> laying down the line about the lifting - he's concerned about me because if
> I am complaining of the pain it must be really bad.

I hear ya!  I last exercised on Thursday.  I would have exercised Saturday, but
it was a pretty busy day and I was already pretty worn out by then.  By Sunday I
had developed what I'm assuming is a sinus infection and I'm fatigued, have some
labrynthitis and generally feel like crap.  It must have been coming on even on
Thursday, because I couldn't stay on the bike nearly as long as I would have
liked -- I was plumb worn out 14 minutes into it!  I pushed myself a lot last
week and didn't get enough sleep.  Combined with the early allergy season, I
guess my bod just couldn't take it.  We have to LISTEN to our bodies.

I hope your sciatica subsides quickly!

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MereM?le - 24 Mar 2004 10:48 GMT
>Ouch!  The day before yesterday I started experiencing an intermittent pain
>in my left butt cheek.  Ouch.  When it's really bad it radiates down my leg.

snip t

Sciatica?
Its one thing I suffer, the radiating pain/numbness is the
indication of a worsening.
For me its like putting out spot fires in eliminating
causes. [boot inserts/carseats/Jason recliner..etc etc..]
I know one thing,, weight changes (up or down) bring an
attack on,, something to do with posture I am told.

get it checked out :- )

MM

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Steve Gallagher - 24 Mar 2004 23:54 GMT
> Ouch!  The day before yesterday I started experiencing an intermittent pain
> in my left butt cheek.  Ouch.  When it's really bad it radiates down my leg.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> not going to let me lift this week.  Waah!  I'm not even sure that I should
> do my typical hard cardio workouts.

I strongly recommend looking into chiropractic. Anyone who's been in
mfw for awhile knows that I attract training-related ooochies like a
100-watt bulb attracts moths. I've been doing the chiro thing since
November and have been pain-free and doing semi-serious W/T again
since Dec. I also had exactly that butt-cheek pain you describe. Can't
sayh I miss it. :-)
Supergoof - 25 Mar 2004 06:12 GMT
> [1] The piriformis is a small muscle that lives deep in the buttock, below
> the gluteus maximus and minimus.  Apparently it resides in close proximity
> to the sciatic nerve, and when it is tight or inflamed it interferes with
> the sciatic nerve and causes radiating pain.  Ouch, ouch ouch ouch.

Is *that* what that is??!!!

I just call it butt-cramp, I get it on the same side as my worst sciatic
pain, and it's worse if I've spent too much time sitting during a workday.

Hope it settles down quickly for you

cheers
Rachel
(New Zealand)
Saffire - 25 Mar 2004 11:42 GMT
> > [1] The piriformis is a small muscle that lives deep in the buttock, below
> > the gluteus maximus and minimus.  Apparently it resides in close proximity
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> I just call it butt-cramp, I get it on the same side as my worst sciatic
> pain, and it's worse if I've spent too much time sitting during a workday.

Is THAT the one that cramps up during the worst POSSIBLE moment during sex?  Not
that I worry about that anymore ... ah, memories ;-)

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carla - 25 Mar 2004 13:49 GMT
> > > [1] The piriformis is a small muscle that lives deep in the buttock, below
> > > the gluteus maximus and minimus.  Apparently it resides in close proximity
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> Is THAT the one that cramps up during the worst POSSIBLE moment during sex?  Not
> that I worry about that anymore ... ah, memories ;-)

Yikes!  I'm happy to say I've never had that problem - the cramping, that
is.  ;-)

carla
Supergoof - 26 Mar 2004 04:20 GMT
> gone.no@forwarding.address says...
> > >
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> Is THAT the one that cramps up during the worst POSSIBLE moment during sex?  Not
> that I worry about that anymore ... ah, memories ;-)

LOL

for me that's in the hip somewhere that cramps at the worst possible moment
...

I just resign myself to the fact that my back's going to be worse than usual
for a few days (shagger's back)

:o)

Rachel
(New Zealand)
carla - 25 Mar 2004 13:48 GMT
> > [1] The piriformis is a small muscle that lives deep in the buttock, below
> > the gluteus maximus and minimus.  Apparently it resides in close proximity
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> I just call it butt-cramp, I get it on the same side as my worst sciatic
> pain, and it's worse if I've spent too much time sitting during a workday.

Google "piriformis" in the misc.fitness.weights archives - they've had some
good discussions of this lately.  It seems to be a rather widespread
affliction.

I'd never experienced it before this past weekend, and had a feeling it was
brought on by something in my exercise routine - either squatting heavy
(well, relatively heavy for me anyhow), or the uphill jogging I'd been doing
in my cardio intervals.

> Hope it settles down quickly for you

Knock on wood, so far it seems to be calming down.  I am taking it
relatively easy exercise-wise this week.

carla
 
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