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Bear - 23 Mar 2004 14:14 GMT
AKA - Hershey's 1 Gram Sugar Carb bars with soy crisps.

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Carmen - 23 Mar 2004 15:14 GMT
Hi Bear,

> AKA - Hershey's 1 Gram Sugar Carb bars with soy crisps.

Do they have lactitol?  Maltitol doesn't give me problems, but if
lactitol is in the product I studiously avoid it.  It's like having my
intestines tied into knots and then having red hot pins shoved through
the knots.  Not Fun.  ;-)

Take care,
Carmen
Bear - 23 Mar 2004 15:21 GMT
Carmen,
#1 ingredient is Erythritol.

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> Hi Bear,
>
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> Take care,
> Carmen
Carmen - 23 Mar 2004 17:25 GMT
Hi,

> Carmen,
> #1 ingredient is Erythritol.
>
> --

Thank you Bear.  Erythritol is a safe one for me.  Is lactitol
anywhere on the ingredient list?  The Hershey website gives Nutrition
Facts labels for these bars but not ingredients.

Take care,
Carmen
Bear - 23 Mar 2004 21:45 GMT
Hi Carmen,
Nope the only tol is the erythritol. Wish it was a safe one for me. : o(

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> Take care,
> Carmen
Carmen - 24 Mar 2004 02:41 GMT
Hi,

> Hi Carmen,
> Nope the only tol is the erythritol. Wish it was a safe one for me.
> : o(

Thank you for the information Bear.  Maybe it's a good thing that it
isn't safe for you - makes it harder to mess up.  ;-)

Take care,
Carmen
Jean B. - 24 Mar 2004 03:16 GMT
> Hi Carmen,
> Nope the only tol is the erythritol. Wish it was a safe one for me. : o(

So, is that erythritol and inulin?  Hershey's you said?

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revek - 24 Mar 2004 10:52 GMT
Jean B.  burbled across the ether:

>> Hi Carmen,
>> Nope the only tol is the erythritol. Wish it was a safe one for me.
>> : o(

It may be the inulin that's giving you fits.

> So, is that erythritol and inulin?  Hershey's you said?

Yep.  Just had one myself.  Not bad.

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Bear - 24 Mar 2004 15:10 GMT
Hi revek,

What's inulin? And is it always paired with erythritol as Jean's question
seems to suggest?

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> Yep.  Just had one myself.  Not bad.
revek - 24 Mar 2004 18:12 GMT
Bear  burbled across the ether:
> Hi revek,
>
> What's inulin? And is it always paired with erythritol as Jean's
> question seems to suggest?

Hi Bear.  How's your blood pressure? ;)

Inulin is major constituent of some of the most famous of the
"old-standby" herbs, such as burdock root, dandelion root, elecampane
root, chicory root, and the Chinese herb codonopsis. Botanically, inulin
is a storage food in the plants of the Composite family. Inulin when
injected interacts with complement system, which has resulted in rumors
in herbal circles that it is immunostimulant. It is not digested or
absorbed, however, (except perhaps in mico-amounts) and such effects are
not observed with oral use. Inulin is recommended sometimes for
diabetics; it has a mildly sweet taste, and is filling like starchy
foods, but because it is not absorbed, it does not affect blood sugar
levels. Despite the similarity of its name to insulin, inulin has no
connection with that hormone either chemically or through physiological
activity. Inulin is soluble in hot water, but only slightly soluble in
cold water or alcohol, so is not present to any significant extent in
tinctures. All the above herbs have traditionally been taken in
decoctions, and in this form may deliver significant amounts of inulin.
Recent research has shown an important physiological action for inulin
(Gibson, Roberfroid). Like some pectins and fructooligosaccharides,
inulin is a preferred food for the lactobacilli in the intestine and can
improve the balance of friendly bacteria in the bowel. Subjects in one
trial were give 15 grams of inulin a day for fifteen days. Lactobacillus
bifidobacteria increased by about 10% during that period. Gram-positive
bacteria associated with disease declined. Bifidobacteria digest inulin
to produce short chain fatty-acids, such as acetic, propionic, and
butyric acids. The first two may be used by the liver for energy
production, while butyric acid has cancer-preventing properties within
the intestine (Spiller, 1994). Recent animal research also shows that
inulin prevents precancerous changes in the colon (Reddy, 1997).

Table 1 shows the plants with the highest inulin content listed on the
U.S. Department of Agriculture phytochemical database. Each of these
plants, with the exception of Echinacea, have been used in ethnomedicine
to improve intestinal health. Echinacea has not been traditionally
consumed as a decoction or eaten in food quantities, and thus the amount
of inulin ingested would not be significant. It would not necessarily be
desirable to prepare it as a tea, because key immune-stimulating
constituents are only soluble in alcohol. Saussurea is commonly used in
traditional Chinese medicine as a "spleen tonic" or digestive tonic. In
some regions of China, Inula helenium <D>is freely substituted for
saussurea (Hsu). Note that elecampane, although pigeonholed by modern
North American herbalists as a lung tonic, was used by the Eclectics
both as a lung and digestive tonic (Felter). Another common Chinese
digestive and "spleen" tonic that contains inulin is codonopsis, an
ubiquitous ginseng substitute in contemporary traditional Chinese
medicine.

References
Felter, H.W. The Eclectic Materia Medica, Pharmacognosy, and
Therapeutics. Portland, Oregon: Eclectic Medical Publications, (reprint
from 1922 original)
Gibson GR; Beatty ER; Wang X; Cummings JH. Selective stimulation of
bifidobacteria in the human colon by oligofructose and inulin.
Gastroenterology,<D> 1995 Apr, 108:4, 975-82

Reddy BS, Hamid R, Rao CV Effect of dietary oligofructose and inulin on
colonic preneoplastic aberrant crypt foci inhibition. Carcinogenesis<D>
1997 Jul;18(7):1371-1374

Hsu, Hong-yen. Oriental Materia Medica: A Concise Guide. Long Beach,
California: Oriental Healing Arts Institute, 1986

Roberfroid M. Dietary fiber, inulin, and oligofructose: a review
comparing their physiological effects. Crit Rev Food Sci
<D>1993,33(2):103-48

Spiller, GA. Dietary Fiber in Health and Nutrition.<D> Boca Raton,
Florida: CRC Press, 1994

Wang X, Gibson GR. Effects of the in vitro fermentation of oligofructose
and inulin by bacteria growing in the human large intestine. J Appl
Bacteriol<D> 1993 Oct;75(4):373-380
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Doug Freyburger - 24 Mar 2004 23:55 GMT
> > What's inulin?
>
> Botanically, inulin
> is a storage food in the plants of the Composite family.

Short-form translation: It is a type of carb.  If you count total
carbs, count it.

> It is not digested or absorbed, however

Short-form translation: It is a type of fiber.  If you count net
carbs, deduct it.

> Inulin is soluble in hot water

Short-form translation: In specific it is soluble fiber.  Some people
only deduct INsoluble fiber but telling soluble from insoluble is a
lot of extra work.

Revek, thanks for the cool botantist reference.
Bear - 25 Mar 2004 05:10 GMT
My blood pressure is managed. I'm just so tired of always being in pain. Had
a nerve root block on Monday. It was excruciating and I'm not sure yet if it
did anything.
I try and maintain at being cheerful but sometimes I just get tired.
Sorry if I offended you.

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> Bear  burbled across the ether:
> > Hi revek,
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>
> Hi Bear.  How's your blood pressure? ;)

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revek - 25 Mar 2004 05:23 GMT
Bear  burbled across the ether:
> My blood pressure is managed. I'm just so tired of always being in
> pain.

Bad back?

Had a nerve root block on Monday. It was excruciating and I'm
> not sure yet if it did anything.

You should know nearly imediately if a block works or not (assuming I am
talking about the same thing you are-- a spinal block?).  If you are
still in pain after this long, they missed the nerve bundle.

> I try and maintain at being cheerful but sometimes I just get tired.
> Sorry if I offended you.

Did you note the smiley?  Let me reassure you that you'll know when I am
cheesed.  I don't hide it well, as in, at all. <BEG>

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Bear - 25 Mar 2004 05:41 GMT
I saw the smiley and know that you were teasing. I feel bad about our last
encounter.
Yes its discs but the pain is in both legs. Got so bad at one point I had to
use a wheelchair.
Yes it was a spinal block. I still have some leg pain but haven't done much
walking and that's when it's at its worst.
I went back to work today and had so much catching up to do I was at my desk
all day. Now my back hurts from sitting all day. Oy. I hate whining.
Hopefully all will be well soon and I'll be the cuddly, lovable,
happy-go-lucky Bear I was meant to be. ; o)
Oh, and thanks for the info.
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> Bear  burbled across the ether:
> > My blood pressure is managed. I'm just so tired of always being in
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> Did you note the smiley?  Let me reassure you that you'll know when I am
> cheesed.  I don't hide it well, as in, at all. <BEG>
Jean B. - 25 Mar 2004 01:34 GMT
> Jean B.  burbled across the ether:
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>
> Yep.  Just had one myself.  Not bad.

Hmm.  Quick look while I was shopping, and I only saw Hershey's
with lactitol.  Maybe it's one of those things that will take a
while to show up in various parts of the country.  What is this
item/line called?
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Dan Birchall - 25 Mar 2004 01:36 GMT
> > Jean B.  burbled across the ether:
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>  while to show up in various parts of the country.  What is this
>  item/line called?

Spotted it just the other day here... in with the "health foods."
(But then again, I suppose that is where they put low-carb stuff...)
Didn't buy it.

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Jean B. - 25 Mar 2004 02:27 GMT
> Spotted it just the other day here... in with the "health foods."
> (But then again, I suppose that is where they put low-carb stuff...)
> Didn't buy it.
>
> --
> http://ChocoLocate.com/ - The Chocolate Lovers' Page, established 1994.

Hmmm.  I gather you are into chocolate--and you are also LCing.
Have you tried the ZCarb Bars?  AtLast?  What do you think?  (Of
course, then there is just plain old very dark/unsweetened
chocolate....)

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Dan Birchall - 25 Mar 2004 03:00 GMT
> > Spotted it just the other day here... in with the "health foods."
> > (But then again, I suppose that is where they put low-carb stuff...)
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>  course, then there is just plain old very dark/unsweetened
>  chocolate....)

Neither of your assumptions is 100% accurate... right at this moment. ;)

Yes, I'm in my 10th year of running a website about chocolate, but I
originally started it because my then-girlfriend (who's now my wife)
was (at the time) a major chocolate fiend.  Not that I dislike chocolate;
I've had some very good stuff over the years as a result of doing the
site - but I don't have *that* much of a sweet tooth. :)

I do have a bunch of friends who're LC'ing, and... I might do it myself
sometime soon.  I go for the LC options when I eat out, and stuff like
that.  The few times I've had "energy bars" - LC or not - I've generally
found them too sticky/sweet/whatever, so... I'd probably be more inclined
to just pure chocolate.  But that's just me, and I don't speak for
anyone who's currently on one LC plan or another.

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revek - 25 Mar 2004 03:28 GMT
Jean B.  burbled across the ether:

>> Jean B.  burbled across the ether:
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> while to show up in various parts of the country.  What is this
> item/line called?

Ger.  Threw the wrapper away, but it was the size of a Ross or
Pure-Delite candy bar, and around the same price (1.19 but that place is
pricy, so expect it to be a few cents lower in a grocery).  It didn't
look like Hershey's sugar free bite size with lacitol at all
(brown/blue/silver packaging).  It said 1 sugar carb on it in large
letters, and something about for lowcarbers on it too.  Found it at a
Conoco/convenience store/truckstop.

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