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Weight Loss Forum / Low Carb / March 2004Hey Guys: Low Carbing & ED?
My recent research has come up with a bunch of articles suggesting that neuropathy (nerve damage) often occurs long before blood sugar deteriorates to the level where diabetes is diagnosed. I've also learned that ED is very common among diabetic men and appears to have the same causes as neuropathy. I realize this isn't something guys like to talk about, but I am very curious to learn whether low carbing for 3 or more months has had a positive effect on ED for anyone here. My suspicion is that undiagnosed blood sugar problems may be a causative factor in this problem. If you want to reply anonymously, email lottadatacarbs@hotmail.com after removing the "carbs" from the email address just given. -- Jenny - Low Carbing for 4 years. At goal for weight. Type 2 diabetes, hba1c 5.2. Cut the carbs to respond to my email address! Low carb facts and figures, my weight-loss photos, tips, recipes, strategies for dealing with diabetes and more at http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/ Looking for help controlling your blood sugar? Visit http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/Newly%20Diagnosed.htm > My recent research has come up with a bunch of articles suggesting that > neuropathy (nerve damage) often occurs long before blood sugar [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > -- Jenny - What's ED? Electrical Discharge? Oh, Erectile Dysfunction? No problems for me before or after.  SignatureBob in CT Remove ".x" to reply :: On Tue, 23 Mar 2004 08:30:15 -0500, Jenny :: <lottadatacarbs@hotmail.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] :: What's ED? Electrical Discharge? Oh, Erectile Dysfunction? No :: problems for me before or after. None here, either, afaik. Of course, how does one really judge something like this? Does one assume that if things work, there's no problem? I have heard guys report here of having some sexual improvements after beginning LCing....but I can't say the reasons for that. ED could be electrostatic discharge....it all depends on what crowds you hang with :) I think it is likely there would be an improvement in erectile dysfunction in some men simply because they feel better about themselves after losing weight. It could be hard to separate out those that had actual physiological dysfunction for doing a comparison. Mark. > My recent research has come up with a bunch of articles suggesting that > neuropathy (nerve damage) often occurs long before blood sugar deteriorates [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > Looking for help controlling your blood sugar? > Visit http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/Newly%20Diagnosed.htm If the problem is related to neuropathic changes, it would not have come on in response to changes in your psychological attitudes towards yourself nor get better for the same reasons. Studies show increasing severity of impotence the longer a man has diabetes. However, many other "diabetic" neuropathies can be found in people whose blood sugar levels are lower than those used to diagnose diabetes. If neuropathy, not psychological issues were the problem, it would be likely to respond very well to keeping your blood sugars under 120 mg/dl for several weeks, since many other neuropathies do that. Dr. Bernstein claims that he has seen impotence reverse after relatively short term low carbing, but only in people where the problem was with the autonomic nervous system and not clogged blood vessels. He is tantalizingly brief about this, however. -- Jenny - Low Carbing for 4 years. At goal for weight. Type 2 diabetes, hba1c 5.2. Cut the carbs to respond to my email address! Low carb facts and figures, my weight-loss photos, tips, recipes, strategies for dealing with diabetes and more at http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/ Looking for help controlling your blood sugar? Visit http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/Newly%20Diagnosed.htm > I think it is likely there would be an improvement in erectile dysfunction > in some men simply because they feel better about themselves after losing [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > Looking for help controlling your blood sugar? > > Visit http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/Newly%20Diagnosed.htm I have noticed a POSITIVE change since Low Carb. SignatureEmil Luca 08-12-03 369/314/200 > My recent research has come up with a bunch of articles suggesting that > neuropathy (nerve damage) often occurs long before blood sugar deteriorates [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > Looking for help controlling your blood sugar? > Visit http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/Newly%20Diagnosed.htm > My recent research has come up with a bunch of articles suggesting that > neuropathy (nerve damage) often occurs long before blood sugar deteriorates [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > Looking for help controlling your blood sugar? > Visit http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/Newly%20Diagnosed.htm How would you measure ED ? When I was young and in my prime a cat couldn't scratch it, a dog couldn't chew it and a tractor couldn't pull it over .....hehe Seriously .. I have been giving this some thought since I read the first post . How would one say one is doing ? I guess I thought ED was total impotency but now I realize that is not the case. So as funny as this may sound I'll try put it in my own words . Response time: When I was young it was instant . When I was 300 pounds and 55 years old it would take 5 to 10 min of coaxing depending on mood etc . After 10 weeks of LCing and down to 264 pounds response time is much faster ,about a minute or two. Rigidity:(towel test ) When I was young and in my prime I could support a damp bath towel for an hour . When I was 300 pounds at 55 years old I could support a dry face cloth for 30 seconds (had to work fast ) After 10 weeks of LCing and 264 pounds I imagine I could support a dry tea towel for 5 min . This is total speculation and may even be in my own mind I think its as true as it is humorous. Originally I thought it was just age that impaired performance ....now I know it could be weight, LCing or the fact that smoke a pack a day . Either way my has had no complaints ....before or after . HTH Peter 300/264/250ish Male 6ft started Jan 12 .04 > Originally I thought it was just age that impaired performance ....now I > know it could be weight, LCing or the fact that smoke a pack a day . Either [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > 300/264/250ish > Male 6ft started Jan 12 .04 Either way my WIFE has had no complaints ....before or after . sorry about that :) ::: My recent research has come up with a bunch of articles suggesting ::: that neuropathy (nerve damage) often occurs long before blood sugar [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] :: When I was 300 pounds and 55 years old it would take 5 to 10 min of :: coaxing depending on mood etc . Well, my response time remains instant, and was that way even when I was 367 lbs while taking meds to control BG due to being T2. :: After 10 weeks of LCing and down to 264 pounds response time is much :: faster ,about a minute or two. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] :: After 10 weeks of LCing and 264 pounds I imagine I could support a :: dry tea towel for 5 min . Now, see...I've never tested this....towel test? Who ever heard of that? Hmm....I guess I'll have to go do a towel test :) According to Dr. Bernstein, the diabetes expert, if you can get some response but not much or have trouble maintaining it, you may have a blood sugar-related neuropathy that may respond to low carbing. If nothing happens at all, it might be bad hydraulics, and that tends to be clogged blood vessels. That won't respond to low carbing. This is not an area I know much about. I'm just intrigued by the findings on OTHER neuropathic problems in people with borderline blood sugars and wondered if it extended to the only neuropathy most people really care much about. . -- Jenny - Low Carbing for 4 years. At goal for weight. Type 2 diabetes, hba1c 5.2. Cut the carbs to respond to my email address! Low carb facts and figures, my weight-loss photos, tips, recipes, strategies for dealing with diabetes and more at http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/ Looking for help controlling your blood sugar? Visit http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/Newly%20Diagnosed.htm > > My recent research has come up with a bunch of articles suggesting that > > neuropathy (nerve damage) often occurs long before blood sugar [quoted text clipped - 61 lines] > 300/264/250ish > Male 6ft started Jan 12 .04 > According to Dr. Bernstein, the diabetes expert, if you can get some > response but not much or have trouble maintaining it, you may have a blood [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > hba1c 5.2. > Cut the carbs to respond to my email address! Jenny ... I dont think I had any problems with blood sugar. However I will be getting a complete physical ...and blood work on April 12 ...exactly 3 months after I started Low Carbing . I'll let you know if there is anything interesting . Peter Peter, The blood work you get at a physical will not tell you if you have blood sugar problems. They don't even identify diabetes in as many as 48% of men an 73% of older women. That's because they only do a fasting plasma glucose test or a glycosylated hemoglobin (Hba1c). The FPG often stays normal until 3 years before you become frankly diabetic. The Hba1c normal range is set way too high--I was getting normal Hba1cs when my post meal blood sugars were routinely above the official diabetes cutoff. The only way to identify the level of blood sugar abnormality that has been shown to cause nerve damage is by checking your blood sugar level 2 hours after a carb-filled meal. If it is over 140 mg/dl you are at risk for nerve damage. At time of diagnosis estimates are that from 18% to 40% of people with diabetes already have long standing "diabetic" nerve damage. -- Jenny - Low Carbing for 4 years. At goal for weight. Type 2 diabetes, hba1c 5.2. Cut the carbs to respond to my email address! Low carb facts and figures, my weight-loss photos, tips, recipes, strategies for dealing with diabetes and more at http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/ Looking for help controlling your blood sugar? Visit http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/Newly%20Diagnosed.htm > > According to Dr. Bernstein, the diabetes expert, if you can get some > > response but not much or have trouble maintaining it, you may have a blood [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Peter |
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