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steve - 25 Mar 2004 01:32 GMT
I usually always rinse my vegetables. Recently I've heard you should
not rinse them at all. The microbes and dirt that is on them is a very
good thing for your intenstinal tract. Anyone heard this?

Do you wash your vegetables? If you do, why? If not, why not?

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metta - 25 Mar 2004 01:34 GMT
> I usually always rinse my vegetables. Recently I've heard you should
> not rinse them at all. The microbes and dirt that is on them is a very
> good thing for your intenstinal tract. Anyone heard this?
>
> Do you wash your vegetables? If you do, why? If not, why not?

ok, that's a new one on me.  :-)

yes, i wash my vegetables.  i don't want to wind up eating whatever
pesticides or fertilizers were used on them.

if you're worried that you're not getting enough dirt in your diet, i'd go
eat a spoonful of topsoil from your yard.  at least that way you'll have a
better idea of what kinds of chemicals are in it.

-kelly
Crafting Mom - 25 Mar 2004 01:45 GMT
>I usually always rinse my vegetables. Recently I've heard you should
>not rinse them at all. The microbes and dirt that is on them is a very
>good thing for your intenstinal tract. Anyone heard this?
>
>Do you wash your vegetables? If you do, why? If not, why not?

I do.  Chances are someone else has picked up and examined the very
vegetable that is in my grocery bag.  And who knows where they may have
scratched or picked before doing so.

CM
Jean M. - 25 Mar 2004 02:22 GMT
>>I usually always rinse my vegetables. Recently I've heard you should
>>not rinse them at all. The microbes and dirt that is on them is a very
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>
>CM

Ewww. Thanks for the visual. That reminds me - I never, ever put food
or my purse in the seat part of the shopping cart for obvious reasons.

I'm a washer. A rinser, really. I can't bring myself to buy that
vegetable wash stuff.

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Donna Rose - 25 Mar 2004 03:27 GMT
> I'm a washer. A rinser, really. I can't bring myself to buy that
> vegetable wash stuff.
I bought two spray bottles at the dollar store;  in one I store plain
white vinegar, in the other, hydrogen peroxide.

I give all my vegetables a quick spray with one, then the other. It's a
cheap, effective disinfectant (supposedly more effective than a bleach
solution!) For some reason, it doesn't work unless the two liquids are
stored separately - you can't put both into one bottle.

It's also a great way to clean cutting boards.

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revek - 25 Mar 2004 05:33 GMT
Crafting Mom  burbled across the ether:
>> I usually always rinse my vegetables. Recently I've heard you should
>> not rinse them at all. The microbes and dirt that is on them is a
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> vegetable that is in my grocery bag.  And who knows where they may
> have scratched or picked before doing so.

I remember catching a "diagnosis mystery" on one of the discovery
channels less than six months ago.  It was about some veggies that had
been rinsed in water before transport that had been contaminated.
Spread a nasty e.coli-like illness by way of the salad bar.  Moral of
the story-- rinse your produce well.  You have no idea what it has been
in contact with.
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Saffire - 25 Mar 2004 21:15 GMT
> >I usually always rinse my vegetables. Recently I've heard you should
> >not rinse them at all. The microbes and dirt that is on them is a very
> >good thing for your intenstinal tract. Anyone heard this?
> >
> >Do you wash your vegetables? If you do, why? If not, why not?

I've found suspicious little pellets in with veggies, so yes, I wash them.  Also,
there can be traces of mold forming that you can't see yet.  A fresh bunch of
spinach almost ALWAYS has gritty dirt on it.  And, of course, you don't know who
might have been handling it before you picked it up or it it fell on the floor at
one point.  We probably got all the microbes we needed when we were babies
crawling around and putting anything we could touch into our mouths.  

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Luna - 25 Mar 2004 02:10 GMT
> I usually always rinse my vegetables. Recently I've heard you should
> not rinse them at all. The microbes and dirt that is on them is a very
> good thing for your intenstinal tract. Anyone heard this?
>
> Do you wash your vegetables? If you do, why? If not, why not?

I even rinse bagged salads, which are supposed to be pre-washed.  It tastes
better that way.

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Cailleachschilde - 25 Mar 2004 06:24 GMT
>I even rinse bagged salads, which are supposed to be pre-washed.  It tastes
>better that way.

I saw a quickie news story that even bagged (and supposedly washed) vegees
contained harmful bacteria.

Yvonne
Marsha - 25 Mar 2004 02:20 GMT
> I usually always rinse my vegetables. Recently I've heard you should
> not rinse them at all. The microbes and dirt that is on them is a very
> good thing for your intenstinal tract. Anyone heard this?
>
> Do you wash your vegetables? If you do, why? If not, why not?

I rinse everything.  It doesn't hurt.

Marsha/Ohio
PJx - 25 Mar 2004 03:14 GMT
>I usually always rinse my vegetables. Recently I've heard you should
>not rinse them at all. The microbes and dirt that is on them is a very
>good thing for your intenstinal tract. Anyone heard this?
>
>Do you wash your vegetables? If you do, why? If not, why not?

I seldom wash fruit and vegetables until ready to eat.   Why?
Because the moisture  shortens the shelf life of the fruit.  

I read somewhere that you should take meat out of the plastic wrap
and wash it, but I don't remember why?

Pj
WhansaMi - 25 Mar 2004 03:43 GMT
> I read somewhere that you should take meat out of the plastic wrap
>and wash it, but I don't remember why?
>
>Pj

I always wash chicken and steak.  Don't wash ground products.

Sheila
metoo - 25 Mar 2004 17:36 GMT
> I always wash chicken and steak.  Don't wash ground products.
>
> Sheila

So...uh..does that mean I shouldn't run the ground beef through the rinse
and hold cycle on the dishwasher anymore???

jo
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Bob (this one) - 25 Mar 2004 04:08 GMT
> I usually always rinse my vegetables. Recently I've heard you should
> not rinse them at all. The microbes and dirt that is on them is a very
> good thing for your intenstinal tract. Anyone heard this?
>
> Do you wash your vegetables? If you do, why? If not, why not?

Wash them. You don't know where they've been, with whom or doing what.

And there's the little matter of pesticides, fertilizers and various
human, um, components that might find their way into or onto your dinner.

Did I mention to wash them?

Pastorio
Chakolate - 25 Mar 2004 19:53 GMT
>> I usually always rinse my vegetables. Recently I've heard you should
>> not rinse them at all. The microbes and dirt that is on them is a very
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>
> Did I mention to wash them?

Whenever I think of why I wash produce, I think of the poor guys out there
picking them.  I doubt very much that they have good sanitary facilities,
so if they answer nature's call, where do they wash their hands?  

It's always enough to make me wash carefully.  :-)

Chak

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Roger Zoul - 25 Mar 2004 21:35 GMT
:: "Bob (this one)" <Bob@nospam.com> wrote in
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:: facilities, so if they answer nature's call, where do they wash
:: their hands?

More importantly, in which direction are they facing when answering nature's
call?
Kalish - 25 Mar 2004 04:31 GMT
>Do you wash your vegetables? If you do, why? If not, why not?

I read an autobiography by an old doctor who went to medical school
before antibiotics.  He said (and it's the only thing I remember from
his book) if you could see what was in and on a head of lettuce
without a microscope, you'd use a blowtorch on it before you ate it.
Wash 'em...twice.
Nancy Ward - 25 Mar 2004 05:51 GMT
I've always heard that you shouldn't wash your vegetables before storing
them, but never before eating.

I'll continue washing my vegetables before cooking or eating.

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>I usually always rinse my vegetables. Recently I've heard you should
> not rinse them at all. The microbes and dirt that is on them is a very
> good thing for your intenstinal tract. Anyone heard this?
>
> Do you wash your vegetables? If you do, why? If not, why not?
TavliGal - 25 Mar 2004 06:07 GMT
>> I usually always rinse my vegetables. Recently I've heard you should
>> not rinse them at all. The microbes and dirt that is on them is a
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>> Steve
>> sconnet@coxDOTnet

I do wash my veggies and fruits, always have, and I even use soap.  Of
course I rinse it well enough to get rid of the soap.

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jpatti - 25 Mar 2004 08:26 GMT
> Do you wash your vegetables? If you do, why?

Yes.  Cause they grow in dirt.
steve - 25 Mar 2004 08:39 GMT
>> Do you wash your vegetables? If you do, why?

> Yes.  Cause they grow in dirt.

I've heard the minority proverbial "they" say that the microbes found
in the soil in which the vegetables grow are important cleansing
agents for our intestines/colon. Without these ever-present microbes in our
intestines and colon, we can develop cancers from build-up of waste on
the side walls and lining.

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jamie - 25 Mar 2004 18:55 GMT
>>> Do you wash your vegetables? If you do, why?
>
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> intestines and colon, we can develop cancers from build-up of waste on
> the side walls and lining.

This "build-up" is a scary fantasy made up by quacks to sell
laxative/colonic herbs.  No doctor performing colonoscopies or autopsies
has ever said build-up.  The lining of the intestine is shed every few
days, just like skin cells -- there isn't a static lining for anything
to build up on.

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Ignoramus20562 - 25 Mar 2004 17:27 GMT
> I usually always rinse my vegetables. Recently I've heard you should
> not rinse them at all. The microbes and dirt that is on them is a very
> good thing for your intenstinal tract. Anyone heard this?
>
> Do you wash your vegetables? If you do, why? If not, why not?

I do not wash them unless Isee obvious dirt on them. The reason is my
laziness.

i
steve - 25 Mar 2004 18:04 GMT
>> I usually always rinse my vegetables. Recently I've heard you
>> should not rinse them at all. The microbes and dirt that is on them
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> I do not wash them unless Isee obvious dirt on them. The reason is
> my laziness.

Are you generally more sick than most? Have you developed any
diseases, or often contract viruses? Do you feel as though not washing
your vegetables has made you vulnerable?

Do you feel stronger for not washing your vegetables? More healthy? Do
you have regular bowel movements? Do you feel as though it has hurt
you in any way? Helped you?

Just curious ...

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Ignoramus20562 - 25 Mar 2004 18:18 GMT
>>> I usually always rinse my vegetables. Recently I've heard you
>>> should not rinse them at all. The microbes and dirt that is on them
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>
> Are you generally more sick than most?

I have not been sick since I started dieting 10 months ago.

My whole family would have colds etc, and I would have maybe a half
day or sore throat, instead of a customary full blown cold.

> Have you developed any diseases, or often contract viruses? Do you
> feel as though not washing your vegetables has made you vulnerable?

Well, Idon't think that there are many viruses on unwashed
vegetables. Bacteria and worm eggs though may be another matter. So
far I have not had any stomach problems, perhaps due to luck.

> Do you feel stronger for not washing your vegetables?

I highly doubt that not washing them makes me any healthier, but I do
feel that eating them inmy quantities makes me stronger. I would be as
healthy if Iwashed them, that is my speculation.

> More healthy? Do you have regular bowel movements?

very regular and soft.

>Do you feel as
> though it has hurt you in any way? Helped you?

I doubt that it had any effect on me.

i
steve - 25 Mar 2004 19:01 GMT
> Well, Idon't think that there are many viruses on unwashed
> vegetables. Bacteria and worm eggs though may be another matter. So
> far I have not had any stomach problems, perhaps due to luck.

Interesting. When I heard about the virtues of *not* washing
vegetables before ingestion I was skeptical. It seemed to make sense
that the microbes found in the dirt in which they are grown help clean
our intestinal tract and colon.

I'm not sure if there's been any studies done on the health of those
that do wash their vegetables as opposed to those that do not.

I'm not too fond of worm eggs myself so I think I'll continue to wash
my vegetables. As one other poster put it, if I want to "beef up" on
those microbes, I can always grab a spoonfull of dirt in the backyard.

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Ignoramus20562 - 25 Mar 2004 19:10 GMT
>> Well, Idon't think that there are many viruses on unwashed
>> vegetables. Bacteria and worm eggs though may be another matter. So
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> my vegetables. As one other poster put it, if I want to "beef up" on
> those microbes, I can always grab a spoonfull of dirt in the backyard.

My guess is that if you have a backyard at all, you are getting enough
of those microbes.

i
Bob in CT - 25 Mar 2004 19:16 GMT
>> Well, Idon't think that there are many viruses on unwashed
>> vegetables. Bacteria and worm eggs though may be another matter. So
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> I'm not sure if there's been any studies done on the health of those
> that do wash their vegetables as opposed to those that do not.

That's because they're dead (those people who don't wash their
vegetables).  Seriously, wash your veges:

http://www.usatoday.com/ news/nation/2003-11-14-hepatitis-outbreak_x.htm

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Roger Zoul - 25 Mar 2004 19:37 GMT
:: On Thu, 25 Mar 2004 at 17:18 GMT, Ignoramus20562 spoke:
::
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:: that the microbes found in the dirt in which they are grown help
:: clean our intestinal tract and colon.

that the thing about "it seemed to make sense" statements. Based on what?
Some notion that something must clean out our intestinal tract and colon?
Perhaps your body has it own means for keeping these things clean. Why do
you supposed something else is needed?  Perhaps it is because we buy dish
soap to wash dishes, or that we use soap to wash our car?  But should such
notions carry over to the human body?

:: I'm not sure if there's been any studies done on the health of those
:: that do wash their vegetables as opposed to those that do not.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
:: those microbes, I can always grab a spoonfull of dirt in the
:: backyard.

Yep.  I grew up around people who ate dirt.  They were very ignorant.
steve - 25 Mar 2004 21:30 GMT
>> Interesting. When I heard about the virtues of *not* washing
>> vegetables before ingestion I was skeptical. It seemed to make
>> sense that the microbes found in the dirt in which they are grown
>> help clean our intestinal tract and colon.

> that the thing about "it seemed to make sense" statements. Based on
> what?  Some notion that something must clean out our intestinal
> tract and colon?

By the same notion that when I read the Atkins book it also "seemed to
make sense."

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Roger Zoul - 25 Mar 2004 21:52 GMT
:: On Thu, 25 Mar 2004 at 18:37 GMT, Roger Zoul spoke:
::
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:: By the same notion that when I read the Atkins book it also "seemed
:: to make sense."

:) -- yet even he got some things wrong, imo.
jamie - 26 Mar 2004 20:49 GMT
>> Do you wash your vegetables? If you do, why? If not, why not?
>
> I do not wash them unless Isee obvious dirt on them. The reason is my
> laziness.

I suggest that you don't buy any organic vegetables that grow at ground
level which you intend to eat raw.  Various organic lettuces, greens,
sprouts, and bagged organic salads have found to be contaminated with
E coli bacteria from improperly cured manure.  (20/20 report on organic
vegetables, April 2000)

There is also a type of anthrax bacteria commonly found in farm soils,
(although it's less virulent than the type that might be used as a
bio-weapon).

Personally, I avoid organic veggies, because the popular notion that they
don't use pesticides is false.  Organic farms are allowed to, and do use
so-called "natural" pesticides, including copper sulfate, rotenone, and
pyrethrum.  Modern commercial chemical pesticides break down in several
days of sunlight and water, and typically leave no measurable residue
by harvest.  This cannot be said for the pesticides used by organic farms.

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Ignoramus27771 - 26 Mar 2004 21:35 GMT
>>> Do you wash your vegetables? If you do, why? If not, why not?
>>
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> E coli bacteria from improperly cured manure.  (20/20 report on organic
> vegetables, April 2000)

I am highly doubtful that could wash off e.coli from sliced salad,
with a typical vegetable rinse.

> There is also a type of anthrax bacteria commonly found in farm soils,
> (although it's less virulent than the type that might be used as a
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> days of sunlight and water, and typically leave no measurable residue
> by harvest.  This cannot be said for the pesticides used by organic farms.

That is very good reasoning.

i
 
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