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Weight Loss Forum / Low Carb / May 20042nd Time Around
Hi guys My wife and I have started Atkins again after a couple of years break. Last time we did it we lost loads of weight and inches and it was a complete success. Unfortunately we couldn't stick to it as my wife has a mega sweet tooth and the low carb deserts and chocky just didn't taste the same. My vice is Beer, Potatoes and Bread. We have been good since we restarted two weeks ago but neither of us have lost weight. We went out last night for a meal and the waitress guessed we were low carbing from our menu choices. She said the same thing that starting the diet for a second time wasn't as good. In fact everybody I meet who has done Atkins say they stopped and tried to re-start and it doesn't work. I read somewhere that the body is once bitten twice shy in that the first time it switches to fat burn mode but the second time it is reluctant to. Breakfast Normally consists of Bacon & Eggs Lunch Cold meat from cuts of meat from our local organic farm. Cheese in moderation. Low carb tortillas from our low carb shop in UK. Dinner Cooked meats and low carb recipes. We are both very active and drink lots of liquids. We do also drink the occasional Caffeine Free Diet Coke which contains Aspartame, could this have any effect? We have bought a brilliant Dr Atkins cookbook which is illustrated. The ingredients and measures are all in UK terminology as apposed to the Atkins book refers to American terminology e.g.: Heavy Cream etc... Anybody got any suggestions to help us on our low carb weight loss before we slip back into our old ways due to no weight loss? Thanks in advance. Dave & Emily >We have been good since we restarted two weeks ago but neither of us have >lost weight. We went out last night for a meal and the waitress guessed we [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >I read somewhere that the body is once bitten twice shy in that the first >time it switches to fat burn mode but the second time it is reluctant to. That's been my experience, as well. It may or may not have something to do with the progression of my diabetes, but I'm having a dickens of a time starting over. Don't give up. You've just gotta be more stubborn than your body is. You'll find lots of support here. Best wishes, Carol  SignatureFasting BG 150 227/223/150 (official weigh-day: Thursday) Bernstein 5/25/2004 Diabetes Dx 5/15/2001 Diet, Exercise, Oral Medication Try eating less. SignatureEat less, exercise more. -- MFW -- > Hi guys > [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > > Dave & Emily > Breakfast > Normally consists of Bacon & Eggs [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Dinner > Cooked meats and low carb recipes. Where are the veggies? Foods with a lower caloric density should be an important part of any diet. Last time I looked, the Atkins diet included vegetables. I don't see one single veggie listed in your food list. You might want to try reading the book again. Also, I too lost a lot of weight on Atkins and then went off the diet. The second time was much more difficult to lose weight until I cut out all of the low carb packaged food and also cut down my calorie intake. Some people also have to cut out the artificial sweeteners. You also should watch your protein intake. Try upping your fat to protein calorie ratio. You can do this my cutting down on the meats and adding salads with an oil dressing. There are many other ways to do this as well. Track your daily calorie intake at www.fitday.com to get an idea how many calories you are ingesting. It might surprise you as it has many people. A good exercise routine with weights won't hurt anything either. Many times people are losing inches instead of pounds at certain points in the diet. You may want to start taking body measurements and track your progress that way as well. You have to be patient with this, or any diet, at times. Weight loss is rarely a linear thing. There will be weeks, and maybe even months, that the scale doesn't move. If so, try adjusting your carb level some, doing more exercise, or changing the amount of food you eat. Chris > Hi guys > [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > > Dave & Emily Put some salad greens or allowed veggies in with the meat in the tortilla - use just a "finger" sized piece of meat (use mayo or a spoonful of dressing to flavor the greens) - fold in the sides of the tortilla and roll up like a Chinese eggroll (assuming you call them that across the pond) - ta da! I have these for breakfast or lunch. I've finally broken a stall that lasted for quite a long time, but I've had to give up the cheese (no cheese in omelettes, no fried cheese "crisps", etc.) and pork rinds, no snacking on strips of bacon, etc. I read a book called "How I stopped dieting and lost 40 pounds eating low carb" (or something like that). The author said at the beginning that the first time you try lowcarbing, you're given the "golden key" - but it's a oneshot deal - if you fall off the wagon and then try again later, it's much harder. It's definitely a known phenomenon. Kalish >Hi guys > [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > >Dave & Emily That's just idiotic. I've gone on and off a low carb diet several times and the results have always been roughly the same. If you're getting different results, then something about the variables is different. SignatureYou take stupid to a new level. -- MFW > I read a book called "How I stopped dieting and lost 40 pounds eating > low carb" (or something like that). The author said at the beginning > that the first time you try lowcarbing, you're given the "golden key" > - but it's a oneshot deal - if you fall off the wagon and then try > again later, it's much harder. It's definitely a known phenomenon. > Kalish Yeah, but when you go off, do you overeat and gain fat? > That's just idiotic. > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > again later, it's much harder. It's definitely a known phenomenon. > > Kalish SignatureMichelle Levin http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick I have only 3 flaws. My first flaw is thinking that I only have 3 flaws. I have in the past, and generally speaking, yes. SignatureEat less, exercise more. -- MFW -- > Yeah, but when you go off, do you overeat and gain fat? > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > > again later, it's much harder. It's definitely a known phenomenon. > > > Kalish I wonder what the difference is, then, because I've seen this "second time around" problem often on this group. Maybe you keep up your exercise even when you go off low-carb, and others don't? Maybe when you go back on low-carb you are stricter with calories than others? I know that when I started low-carb I ate quite a lot of food and still lost weight, it was relatively recently that I had to start limiting calories as well. Maybe second timers need to limit calories right from the beginning in order to see a loss. Whatever the reason for the difference is, since you are the only person I've seen on here who did not have difficulty losing again after going off low-carb, it makes me want to _never_ go off it. > I have in the past, and generally speaking, yes. > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > > > again later, it's much harder. It's definitely a known phenomenon. > > > > Kalish SignatureMichelle Levin http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick I have only 3 flaws. My first flaw is thinking that I only have 3 flaws. Most of the people I know that lift weights don't have a problem with it. Perhaps there's a connection. SignatureEat less, exercise more. -- MFW -- > I wonder what the difference is, then, because I've seen this "second time > around" problem often on this group. Maybe you keep up your exercise even [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > > > > again later, it's much harder. It's definitely a known phenomenon. > > > > > Kalish > I wonder what the difference is, then, because I've seen this "second time > around" problem often on this group. I recall in an Atkins book a statement to the effect that increased age can affect the body's response to the low-carb diet. Perhaps this is a contributing factor? > > I wonder what the difference is, then, because I've seen this "second time > > around" problem often on this group. > > I recall in an Atkins book a statement to the effect that increased age can > affect the body's response to the low-carb diet. Perhaps this is a > contributing factor? Jim I am 33 and was 29 when i last did the diet. Of course I eat veggies, when I say low carb recipies they include vegies. Vegies include Cauliflower, brocoli, spinach etc.. Gonna try drowning in water and increase fat for protein. Dave I went off Atkins for 6 months and went back on and it wasn't a problem to lose at all again. I just started at day one with induction just like I did before. Susie > I wonder what the difference is, then, because I've seen this "second time > around" problem often on this group. Maybe you keep up your exercise even [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > only person I've seen on here who did not have difficulty losing again > after going off low-carb, it makes me want to _never_ go off it. "Luna" <lunachick@NOSPAMmindspring.com> wrote in message > > > > That's just idiotic. > > > > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > is > > > > different. OK LUNA........take it away hun!! Blast him!!! lol...... what can you possibly say her sweetie...........JC.........now I have the same "kind of respect" (not the sweat on the balls though!!!!, but........ehhhhhhh........LUNA...... you go girl!!!!!!!!!) I can't wait to read the replies......sweetie!!!!!!!! deeder ( your friendly canadian friend!!!) hey if they are attacking, remember to contact me...I will no matter what I think of you come to your rescue...... GB is a bad bad example...........xo deeder > I wonder what the difference is, then, because I've seen this "second time > around" problem often on this group. Maybe you keep up your exercise even [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > > > > again later, it's much harder. It's definitely a known phenomenon. > > > > > Kalish I can't imagine Luna ever needing someone like you to "rescue" her from anything. She is a very "together" young woman, articulate and analytical, strong and competent. In news:MMzuc.631212$Ig.65699@pd7tw2no, deeder <dianeolson@shaw.ca> stated | OK LUNA........take it away hun!! Blast him!!! lol...... | [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] | | deeder > I can't imagine Luna ever needing someone like you to "rescue" her from > anything. She is a very "together" young woman, articulate and analytical, > strong and competent. I think you're right. If a big, tough, Marine ever crossed paths with her, he might need help. > > I can't imagine Luna ever needing someone like you to "rescue" her from > > anything. She is a very "together" young woman, articulate and [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > If a big, tough, Marine ever crossed paths with her, he might need help. Wow. I must write tougher than I am, I'm a wimp actually. You should have seen me bawling last night when I watched "Fly Away Home" for like, the tenth time. SignatureMichelle Levin http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick I have only 3 flaws. My first flaw is thinking that I only have 3 flaws. > "Luna" <lunachick@NOSPAMmindspring.com> wrote in message > > > > > That's just idiotic. [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > deeder I didn't write that. JC wrote that. SignatureMichelle Levin http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick I have only 3 flaws. My first flaw is thinking that I only have 3 flaws. > I wonder what the difference is, then, because I've seen this "second time > around" problem often on this group. Maybe you keep up your exercise even Yeah, but to me it frequently sounds like people get complacent the second time around. They think they've been there, done that, got the size S t-shirt they can't wear anymore, and so they don't follow the plan as faithfully as they did the first time around. > when you go off low-carb, and others don't? Maybe when you go back on > low-carb you are stricter with calories than others? I know that when I [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > only person I've seen on here who did not have difficulty losing again > after going off low-carb, it makes me want to _never_ go off it. If they're closer to goal (although still above where they went off plan), it may just be that making it harder to lose. But, I suspect that if most second timers approached it with the honeymooner's zeal that newbies give it, they might have better results. Martha SignatureBegin where you are - but don't end there. > > I wonder what the difference is, then, because I've seen this "second time > > around" problem often on this group. Maybe you keep up your exercise even [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Martha Martha says:- Yeah, but to me it frequently sounds like people get complacent the second time around. They think they've been there, done that, got the size S t-shirt they can't wear anymore, and so they don't follow the plan as faithfully as they did the first time around. Dave says:- What a good reason not to vote for George W!! Next stop Armageddon. I agree with everyone who said you are not getting enough veggies. Your menu is not an Induction menu. If you are restarting, you should start Induction, not OWL. Lose the tortillas. Add huge green leafy salads w/ cucumber. And drink copious amounts of water. All day long. Keep drinking water. Water water water. And I must reiterate what others have said: use www.fitday.com to track *every morsel* of food you ingest. Oh...and exercise! I walk, stretch and do Jorge Cruise's 8 Minutes in the Morning (which includes weights). If after correcting these things, you still don't see any weight loss or changes in measurements, then you might consider a Fat Fast: http://atkins.com/Archive/2001/12/21-237659.html HTH Deb 260/209/135 June 2002 - 260; Dec 2002 - 210; March 2004 - 230 Goal for May 31 - 209, reached on May 30 > Hi guys > [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > > Dave & Emily |
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