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Weight Loss Forum / WeightWatchers / August 2004WLL - Fred - August 25th
This is NOT Maintenance! up, Up, UP....... Current: 163.6 Gain: 3.2 Guess it means one cannot go out to dinner/lunch three times in one WI period - that is exceptional meals out as opposed to the general teriaki chicken or pastrami (or could it have been the lack of pastrami last week that did this? (G)) Well back to basics (I don't think CORE is for me) I am not a CORE girl either. Sorry about your gain. I am staying off the scale until Saturday, just find that when I hop on lately and have gone down a bit it sets off a feeding frenzy. Do you suppose that hormone, what is it? Ghrelin? Is that getting us?  SignatureLes > This is NOT Maintenance! > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Well back to basics (I don't think CORE is for me) I have no idea what is getting me. UP, DOWN, up, DOWN, DOWN, UP, UP, UP. Maybe this is normal and natural. And to be frank, if I had had my normal "whathaveyou" this morning instead of very recently, it would have been LESS! (G) I do think hormones need more review and study. I want more info on fat cell life/death/creation. I do know that I did eat out more than usual and the mexican meal was a bit more off-the-scale than the other meals, altho the dim sum was probably not great either (well, it tasted great). You may have something with the "celebrate low" (and blow it) and rein it in when high. Then again, the weather hampered some exercise the last few days, too and I have to account for that. Back to sushi tonight (G) >I am not a CORE girl either. Sorry about your gain. I am staying off the >scale until Saturday, just find that when I hop on lately and have gone down >a bit it sets off a feeding frenzy. Do you suppose that hormone, what is it? >Ghrelin? Is that getting us? I have a rotten cold, and can you believe it, I am STARVING! Not exercising because I want the rotten cold to be of short duration. I am counting points and journaling, and missing my activity points. I would like more info on fat cell life/death as well. I think academically that some of those unused fat cells must go away after years. And others probably lose the ability to cry for food? Follow me here, the "use it or lose it" theory. Any cell in the body that is not used for a long time will eventually stop doing what it did when it was young and flexible? Mexican food has tons of hidden fats. Ummm, so Good like Mr Food says on TV There is a big ole article in the paper this morning about the local diet, and it's total unhealthiness. Re: fat cell creation, et al, I may look around and see if I can find any current research. SignatureLes > I have no idea what is getting me. UP, DOWN, up, DOWN, DOWN, UP, UP, > UP. Maybe this is normal and natural. And to be frank, if I had had [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > >a bit it sets off a feeding frenzy. Do you suppose that hormone, what is it? > >Ghrelin? Is that getting us? Sorry about your cold. "They" say that exercising but not extreme, will not hurt a cold or make things worse. You probably do not want to inhale too much gunk into the lungs. How about just walking a bit more until you feel a bit better. And if you are ill, eat, don't overdo it but eat. I really do want to know about those damn fat cells (which you might be able to tell because every so often I crave info (feed those gray cells!!!) on that issue). I want to know if I'm fighting with myself or, at least, my fat cells! >I have a rotten cold, and can you believe it, I am STARVING! Not exercising >because I want the rotten cold to be of short duration. I am counting points [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >Re: fat cell creation, et al, I may look around and see if I can find any >current research. Yes, I recognize this behavior in me too. It's been going on since May. Thought I had it conquered when I got myself down to 144. Instead, my new lowest weight and my mom's health crisis seem to have conspired against me and turned on the FEED ME switch. Harumph. >when I hop on lately and have gone down >a bit it sets off a feeding frenzy. With hindsight, if one can just tough it out through the hard patch, another easy one is somewhere down the road. I did get stuck right at 200 for a long time, and again at 170. I remember so wanting to quit, then one morning it was just easy again, for no reason. SignatureLes > Yes, I recognize this behavior in me too. It's been going on since > May. Thought I had it conquered when I got myself down to 144. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >when I hop on lately and have gone down > >a bit it sets off a feeding frenzy. Toughing out the hard patches: that's not a skill I've developed. Maybe now's a good time to start. Whining's easier. >With hindsight, if one can just tough it out through the hard patch, another >easy one is somewhere down the road. I did get stuck right at 200 for a long >time, and again at 170. I remember so wanting to quit, then one morning it >was just easy again, for no reason. wining is part of my coping mechanism. I wine, get it off my chest, sometimes I write it down, read it feel weird and ungrateful and get determined to keep on, Lee > Toughing out the hard patches: that's not a skill I've developed. > Maybe now's a good time to start. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >time, and again at 170. I remember so wanting to quit, then one morning it > >was just easy again, for no reason. Among the literature given to my mother during the course of her hospitalization was a pamphlet describing the Stages of Change. Tonight I did a google search and found an article on the topic that was published in 2000 in the American Family Physician journal. http://www.aafp.org/afp/20000301/1409.html In nutshell, here are the 7 Stages of Change: Precontemplation: Not thinking about change May be resigned Feeling of no control Denial: Does not believe it applies to self, Believes consequences are not serious Contemplation: Weighing benefits and costs of behavior, proposed change PreparationL Experimenting with small changes Action: Taking a definitive action to change Maintenance: Maintaining new behavior over time Relapse: Experiencing normal part of process of change Usually feels demoralized For me, the most interesting stage in this model is the Relapse stage. Here's what this article says about this stage: "Discouragement over occasional "slips" may halt the change process and result in the patient giving up. However, most patients find themselves "recycling" through the stages of change several times before the change becomes truly established." In other words, your experience and your comment about "back to basics" is all part of the process of making your behavioral changes permanent. Aside from the scientific research you seek on fat cells. Except you haven't really relapsed because you haven't once exceeded your goal weight by 2 lbs. >This is NOT Maintenance! > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >Well back to basics (I don't think CORE is for me) Thanks for the synopsis. (and not being one to pass up a good line: I've heard of PreparationH, but what the "L" is PreparationL? (GGGG) - clearly, in this case it is very much related to the missing COLON!!!! (GGGGG)) As for RELAPSE, I guess it may feel like that since the GOAL weight is higher than what I have THOUGHT would be nice to attain and keep that moving closer to it is RELAPSE?? But having never established an official lower goal, maybe, it remains more elusive. I can relate to "feeling no control." In this case, I guess, I could have expected that 3 more formal meals out would result in a bit of gain but maybe I had an unrealistic expectation, that I could do it and GET AWAY WITH IT. So, back on track (or back to basics) should help this week. Next year I do not help two friends with a common birthday celebrate with two dinners out while also taking my secretary out for her birthday, too. (G) We shall see. >Among the literature given to my mother during the course of her >hospitalization was a pamphlet describing the Stages of Change. [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] >> >>Well back to basics (I don't think CORE is for me) That whole concept of expecting relapse from the book "changing for good" had me go looking for a symptoms of relapse list that someone told me about? I printed that out and look at it every now and then. Some of the things on the list that apply to me when I overeat are: 2) Denial 5) Defensiveness 7) Impulsive behavior 10) Minor depression 11) Loss of constructive planning (journal) 13) Wishful thinking 19) Irregular eating habits 25) Development of an "I don't care" attitude (this is a big one for me) 29) Self pity SignatureLes > Thanks for the synopsis. > [quoted text clipped - 75 lines] > >> > >>Well back to basics (I don't think CORE is for me) I will save it. I am not sure it is an "I don't care" attitude as much as I really would just like to eat THAT STUFF, make that ALL THAT STUFF, and not think about its consequences every damn time!!! Can I substitute "stress" for "depression?" >That whole concept of expecting relapse from the book "changing for good" >had me go looking for a symptoms of relapse list that someone told me about? [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >25) Development of an "I don't care" attitude (this is a big one for me) >29) Self pity Oh yeah, stress/depression. Depression comes into play for me when the stress pushes me to just want to eat ALL THAT STUFF, then I look at how Now I am Stressed and I JUST ATE TOO MUCH!. And it never tastes that good after the amount that I should have eaten to start with. Is that clear or foggy. If I eat a tiny piece of something good it is great If I eat a big ole piece of something good, which comes from the "I Don't Care I Want It Stamping Feet and Squinching Face"... it is great for the first bite or two then it is More Stress Producing and no longer great. This is a FREAKING bad habit, thinking food will cure stress. It is like that woman said, whoever she was, women need men like fish need bicycles... (although this fish would love to ride Fred's bicycle once or twice) Stress needs Food, like Dogs need Fleas. SignatureLeslie Arnim email: larnim48@email.uophx.edu > I will save it. > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > >25) Development of an "I don't care" attitude (this is a big one for me) > >29) Self pity perfectly stated, Lee > Oh yeah, stress/depression. Depression comes into play for me when the > stress pushes me to just want to eat ALL THAT STUFF, then I look at how Now [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > >25) Development of an "I don't care" attitude (this is a big one for me) > > >29) Self pity >Oh yeah, stress/depression. Depression comes into play for me when the >stress pushes me to just want to eat ALL THAT STUFF, then I look at how Now >I am Stressed and I JUST ATE TOO MUCH!. And it never tastes that good after >the amount that I should have eaten to start with. >Is that clear or foggy. Clearing (G) I understand. There is a feedback loop - a negative feedback loop. But I guess that unlike "prior lives" I am better at interrupting that loop. It still occurs but nowhere as frequently and nowhere as long. >If I eat a tiny piece of something good it is great >If I eat a big ole piece of something good, which comes from the "I Don't [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >(although this fish would love to ride Fred's bicycle once or twice) >Stress needs Food, like Dogs need Fleas. I get the idea!!!! (g) And just take the time to ride your bicycle! The excerpts that you've identified as applying to you look familiar to me as well. I definitely recognize the "I don't care" attitude. It sometimes comes in the form "What difference does it make?" I'm going to keep this list in front of me for a while. Maybe it'll help me remember my true agenda. >That whole concept of expecting relapse from the book "changing for good" >had me go looking for a symptoms of relapse list that someone told me about? [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >25) Development of an "I don't care" attitude (this is a big one for me) >29) Self pity I left out a bunch, if you want to see em I will copy that SignatureLA > The excerpts that you've identified as applying to you look familiar > to me as well. I definitely recognize the "I don't care" attitude. It [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > >25) Development of an "I don't care" attitude (this is a big one for me) > >29) Self pity If you have time, I'd appreciate it. I've put the book in my Amazon shopping cart. After I work through my current reading list, I'll put Changing for Good at the top of my next reading list. Thanks. >I left out a bunch, if you want to see em I will copy that Remind me about this Linda, in a couple of weeks, crazy class going on.... SignatureLa > If you have time, I'd appreciate it. I've put the book in my Amazon > shopping cart. After I work through my current reading list, I'll put > Changing for Good at the top of my next reading list. Thanks. > > >I left out a bunch, if you want to see em I will copy that consider one dinner party and invite them > Thanks for the synopsis. > [quoted text clipped - 75 lines] > >> > >>Well back to basics (I don't think CORE is for me) This seems to have come from that book "changing for good" that was the catalyst for me to go ahead and join WW for the ten thousandth time back in Feb 2002, and commit to not stopping when I got to the hard patches..... SignatureLes > Among the literature given to my mother during the course of her > hospitalization was a pamphlet describing the Stages of Change. [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] > > > >Well back to basics (I don't think CORE is for me) I might have to look for that book. Maybe it'll help me to commit to not stopping at the hard patches. >This seems to have come from that book "changing for good" that was the >catalyst for me to go ahead and join WW for the ten thousandth time back in >Feb 2002, and commit to not stopping when I got to the hard patches..... Well, no, ok, it's not standard maintenace. But it is, cos you've seen it, and will deal with it. It's not enough to panic about - it's like my holiday weight - you put it on, you take it off. There's a theory that weight put on so quickly comes off more easily. Not sure why....but you can test the theory for us *grin*! Signaturekrys UK 157/128.4/126 Started March 1st 2001 GOAL August 16th 2001 and July 22nd 2004 ...undoing the holiday damage... > This is NOT Maintenance! > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Well back to basics (I don't think CORE is for me) I can TEST a lot of theories (G) Well, yes, I would guess that I can take off what I put on. Particularly, if I stick with the plan and stay away from some of those trigger foods (which apparently WW's new US Core Plan is intended to do) >Well, no, ok, it's not standard maintenace. But it is, cos you've seen it, >and will deal with it. It's not enough to panic about - it's like my >holiday weight - you put it on, you take it off. There's a theory that >weight put on so quickly comes off more easily. Not sure why....but you can >test the theory for us *grin*! Time to get back to work. But I think you already know that. That acknowledgement is a GOOD thing. So many let 3 turn into 6 into 12 etc. While you say that CORE is not for you take a look at it from a "getting back to basics" concept and maybe adapt it for your own lifestyle. I'm doing the CORE plan mainly because I realised that too much JUNK had crept back into my life and I was not getting anywhere. I was surprised how strong (i.e. strict) I was last night at our Wed. night cook out. Stuck with my 94% FF popcorn and a few tidbits of celery stuffed with FF "something", by hamburger and a bananna for dessert. With 4 different desserts being passed around that was real HARD! > This is NOT Maintenance! > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Well back to basics (I don't think CORE is for me) >Time to get back to work. But I think you already know that. That >acknowledgement is a GOOD thing. So many let 3 turn into 6 into 12 etc. Catching it quickly is important. >While you say that CORE is not for you take a look at it from a "getting >back to basics" concept and maybe adapt it for your own lifestyle. I'm doing [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >hamburger and a bananna for dessert. With 4 different desserts being passed >around that was real HARD! I've thought about trying to avoid trigger foods. Dried Fruit is NOT core. I was able to give up orange/grapefruit/other juices so maybe that should be next. Altho, convenient for hiking. >> This is NOT Maintenance! >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >> >> Well back to basics (I don't think CORE is for me) > >Time to get back to work. But I think you already know that. That > >acknowledgement is a GOOD thing. So many let 3 turn into 6 into 12 etc. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > core. I was able to give up orange/grapefruit/other juices so maybe > that should be next. Altho, convenient for hiking. Looking at the program might serve that purpose for you. Another thought is to just eliminate as much processed foods as possible. There seems to be thoughts that the white floor, white sugar and all of the additives are what cause our cravings. As for your dried fruit needs that's what the FP and AP are for. And if you are hiking then eating the dried fruit is appropriate. Eating them on days that you are stuck in an office might not be a good idea. Again, back to basics. what a wonderful NSV, Lee > Time to get back to work. But I think you already know that. That > acknowledgement is a GOOD thing. So many let 3 turn into 6 into 12 etc. [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > > > Well back to basics (I don't think CORE is for me) I am concerned that the structure is too loose for me, Lee good luck this week, > This is NOT Maintenance! > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Well back to basics (I don't think CORE is for me) Hi, Fred, Next week will be better. SignatureTake Care Catherine joined 5/20/98 Lifetime 6/2/99 154/138.4/136 Personal goal 126 This is NOT Maintenance! up, Up, UP....... Current: 163.6 Gain: 3.2 Guess it means one cannot go out to dinner/lunch three times in one WI period - that is exceptional meals out as opposed to the general teriaki chicken or pastrami (or could it have been the lack of pastrami last week that did this? (G)) Well back to basics (I don't think CORE is for me) |
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