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Weight Loss Forum / WeightWatchers / February 2005need snack suggestion
I am looking for a good snack to bring to school for a mid-morning snack. Here are the requirements: must be high in protein, must not need refrigeration, remember that I only get 20 points a day so it cannot be a high point food. I am going to try string cheese this week and raisins but I need something to tide me over between breakfast and lunch. I find myself reaching for the Hersey's kisses too often. judy in fort worth remove 4 to reply directly I like Pria bars. 2 points and full of soy protein. There are other brands with points ranging from 2 to 5 per bar. Hershey now makes a Smart Zone bar with 4 points that you could actualy use as lunch. > I am looking for a good snack to bring to school for a mid-morning snack. > Here are the requirements: must be high in protein, must not need [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > judy in fort worth > remove 4 to reply directly pbj made with light bread and sugar free jelly, Lee > I like Pria bars. 2 points and full of soy protein. > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > judy in fort worth > > remove 4 to reply directly >I am looking for a good snack to bring to school for a mid-morning snack. >Here are the requirements: must be high in protein, must not need >refrigeration, remember that I only get 20 points a day so it cannot be a >high point food. I am going to try string cheese this week and raisins but >I need something to tide me over between breakfast and lunch. I find >myself reaching for the Hersey's kisses too often. Is it better to snack or to have a better breakfast to tide you over till lunch? > >I am looking for a good snack to bring to school for a mid-morning snack. > >Here are the requirements: must be high in protein, must not need [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Is it better to snack or to have a better breakfast to tide you over till > lunch? That is a personal preference. Some people have to have a mid morning snack because it is several hours bwt breakfast and lunch. If you have breakfast at 6am and lunch at 12pm then some need a snack. I can last from 7am to around 11:30am without a snack. I do have a hearty, high fiber breakfast or I could not last that long. Others need to eat every 2-3 hours so they certainly have a mid morning and afternoon snack to make it through the day. Just remember that you still only have a certain number of points allowed each day. So if you get into the habit of a mid morning snack it means that you should have a smaller breakfast. As Judy said, she is only on 20 points per day. That is not a lot of food so she has to ration it out very carefully to each meal and/or snack. being one of those who eats more often I also find that three points works nicely, a piece of fruit and yogurt or cottage is an excellent snack but she needs non refridgeratored, Lee > > >I am looking for a good snack to bring to school for a mid-morning snack. > > >Here are the requirements: must be high in protein, must not need [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > per day. That is not a lot of food so she has to ration it out very > carefully to each meal and/or snack. I snack. Different people do different things. No matter the size of my breakfast I am hungry at ten, so I eat a small breakfast and a snack. I have some whole grain crackers that I use with low fat cheese, or hummus. A hard boiled egg travels well two filling points. Sometimes I have fruit. Some yogurt will do fine out of fridge for a while. Bean dip in one of those little cans with celery sticks. Half a serving of a hi protein cereal such as kashi go lean crunch.  SignatureLESLIE ARNIM > >>I am looking for a good snack to bring to school for a mid-morning snack. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Is it better to snack or to have a better breakfast to tide you over till > lunch? I eat 8 meals or so a day... I would NOT be able to go from my 5 am breakfast to my 12;30 lunch.. AAAHHHHH SignatureWill~ 196.2 / 131.8 / 137 lbs 89 / 59.8 / 62.1 Kg Personal goal 125 lbs / 56.7 Kg > I am looking for a good snack to bring to school for a mid-morning snack. > Here are the requirements: must be high in protein, must not need [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > judy in fort worth > remove 4 to reply directly told you we were related, Lee > I eat 8 meals or so a day... I would NOT be able to go from my 5 am > breakfast to my 12;30 lunch.. AAAHHHHH [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > judy in fort worth > > remove 4 to reply directly > I am looking for a good snack to bring to school for a mid-morning snack. > Here are the requirements: must be high in protein, must not need > refrigeration, remember that I only get 20 points a day so it cannot be a > high point food. I am going to try string cheese this week and raisins but > I need something to tide me over between breakfast and lunch. I find myself > reaching for the Hersey's kisses too often. ========================== Why do you have HKs where you can reach for them? That's like a recovering alcoholic keeping a bottle of booze handy. Why high protein? What's wrong with fruit? A nice crisp apple or pear? Or, more filling, half of a Merita (bread) fatfree cream-cheese and sugar-free jelly sandwich at only 1 1/2 points? I make it, cut it in half and have two nice snacks as a break from fruit. No need to refrigerate it for hours. SignatureWysong Age 60. Height 5'6" Starting date: 1/8/05 171/ 167 / 140 lb ========================================== >> I am looking for a good snack to bring to school for a mid-morning snack. >> Here are the requirements: must be high in protein, must not need [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >1/2 points? I make it, cut it in half and have two nice snacks as a break >from fruit. No need to refrigerate it for hours. Wierdly, I actually agree with Wysong. SignatureAnna (in UK) Start Weight: 174 lbs Goal Weight: 146 lbs Current Weight: 165.5 lbs The Thing is different people are Different. Which is no doubt why she said High Protein. I cannot eat a snack without some protein component to it without actually stimulating my appetite. Not what I want to do with a snack, make myself more hungry. This would be why things that work for me don't necessarily work for everyone, and why WW has two plans..... SignatureLesanne >> >>> I am looking for a good snack to bring to school for a mid-morning [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Wierdly, I actually agree with Wysong. > The Thing is different people are Different. Which is no doubt why she > said High Protein. I cannot eat a snack without some protein component to > it without actually stimulating my appetite. Not what I want to do with a > snack, make myself more hungry. Was watching UK Food today and there was a lady on there who said whenever you snack on fruit, the natural sugars give you an energy boost making your more hungry, so you should eat a form of protein with the fruit like a handful of nuts which counteracts the sugars and makes you less hungry afterwards. >> The Thing is different people are Different. Which is no doubt why she >> said High Protein. I cannot eat a snack without some protein component to [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >handful of nuts which counteracts the sugars and makes you less hungry >afterwards. OTOH, there's a lot of research coming through now suggesting that too much protein (particularly animal protein - OK, you got me on the peanuts) is carcinogenic and can lead to liver disease. But if it has to be protein, nuts are good (albeit also high fat), also sunflower seeds, yoghurt and if you have access to a fridge, something like a ricecake with pastrami or ham on it and/or some LF cream cheese. SignatureAnna (in UK) Start Weight: 174 lbs Goal Weight: 146 lbs Current Weight: 165.5 lbs To much of anything will get you sick... but how do you define too much proteines ? Be carefull about those "food warnings" if you listen to all of them you won't eat anything.. SignatureWill~ 196.2 / 131.8 / 137 lbs 89 / 59.8 / 62.1 Kg Personal goal 125 lbs / 56.7 Kg > > > >> The Thing is different people are Different. Which is no doubt why she [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > sunflower seeds, yoghurt and if you have access to a fridge, something > like a ricecake with pastrami or ham on it and/or some LF cream cheese. > To much of anything will get you sick... but how do you define too much > proteines ? $$ If you eat excess proteins you're body converts them to carbohydrates and stores them as fat. Be carefull about those "food warnings" if you listen to all of them you > won't eat anything.. $$ AMEN!!!! I've already heard dietitians contradict other dietitians on TV..... SignatureWysong Age 60. Height 5'6" Starting date: 1/8/05 171/ 167 / 140 lb ========================================== > > To much of anything will get you sick... but how do you define too much > > proteines ? > > $$ If you eat excess proteins you're body converts them to carbohydrates and > stores them as fat. Can you provide some proof of this statement??? This is something that I have never heard before. > Be carefull about those "food warnings" if you listen to all of them you > > won't eat anything.. > > $$ AMEN!!!! I've already heard dietitians contradict other dietitians on > TV..... > > > To much of anything will get you sick... but how do you define too much > > > proteines ? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Can you provide some proof of this statement??? This is something that I > have never heard before. ==================== Nor did I until read the low-carb websites 3 years ago. I often wondered what happened to excess protein - now I know. And sorry, but I don't save all the URLS I go to on the net. I'm sure you can find the info easily if you Google a bit. :-) SignatureWysong Age 60. Height 5'6" Starting date: 1/8/05 171/ 167 / 140 lb ========================================== > > $$ If you eat excess proteins you're body converts them to carbohydrates > and > > stores them as fat. >Nor did I until read the low-carb websites 3 years ago. I often >wondered what happened to excess protein - now I know. And sorry, but >I don't save all the URLS I go to on the net. I'm sure you can find >the info easily if you Google a bit. :-) Actually, you'll find that what really happens to excess protein is this, basically: 1. Protein is broken down into its constituent amino acids (the building blocks of protein). 2. The body uses what it can directly for growth and repair of body cells. 3. If the wrong sort of amino acid, for that which is required, are ingested, the liver converts them into more useful amino acids it can use via a process called transamination. 4. Any amino acids still left over after these two processes are broken down in a process called deamination, which strips the nitrogenous parts of the molecule off, producing urea (which is mildly toxic, but not as toxic as free amino acids flooding your system in vast quantities), uric acid (the main ingredient in kidney stones) and ammonia (which is deadly toxic and can mess up your blood chemistry and give you heart attacks). The rest of the molecule then gets fed into the same system as carbohydrates and fat and is broken down into energy or taken into the fat stores. 5. The urea is extracted from the blood by the kidneys and removed from the body as urine. So the correct answer to the question "What happens to excess protein?" is that some of it is broken down to produce energy, but the rest of it poisons your system and has to be removed by the liver and kidneys. So it's really not a good idea to have too much. You are unlikely to read this on most low-carb websites however, as I would imagine it might be a bit scary for people. OTOH, being morbidly obese is also dangerous, so for some people it's a case of weighing up the lesser of two evils. SignatureAnna (in UK) Start Weight: 174 lbs Goal Weight: 146 lbs Current Weight: 165.5 lbs this is more in line with the information that my doctor told me years ago. So the statement made by ~wysong~: "If you eat excess proteins you're body converts them to carbohydrates and stores them as fat." is totally FALSE... Thank you for clarifying that misconception. > > > $$ If you eat excess proteins you're body converts them to carbohydrates > > and [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > OTOH, being morbidly obese is also dangerous, so for some people it's a > case of weighing up the lesser of two evils. > this is more in line with the information that my doctor told me years ago. ## And every year they change the information and new research comes out. I was on a low-carb diet for 2 1/2 years and both my cholesterol my triglicerides and my blood pressure came down. :-) > So the statement made by ~wysong~: > "If you eat excess proteins you're body converts them to carbohydrates and > stores them as fat." > is totally FALSE... ## Reread what she posted. Eskimos eat almost no carbs and yet are husky people from converting excess protein (99.9% of their diets) to carbs and store them as body fat. > Thank you for clarifying that misconception. ## Reread her post, you missed a part. :-) You missed THIS PART: "The rest of the molecule then gets fed into the same system as carbohydrates and fat and is broken down into energy or taken into the fat stores." SignatureWysong Age 60. Height 5'6" Starting date: 1/8/05 171/ 167 / 140 lb ========================================== > ## Reread her post, you missed a part. :-) > You missed THIS PART: "The rest of the molecule then gets fed into the > same > system as > carbohydrates and fat and is broken down into energy or taken into the > fat stores." Please note that "fed into the same *system* as carbohydrates *and fat*" (emphasis mine) is NOT the same as "gets converted into carbohydrates". The body is very good at breaking pretty much everything down into ATP (adenosine triphosphate) (what the body uses for energy). It is not a carbohydrate. The amount of energy the body uses to do the converson from whatever to ATP varies depending on what the "whatever" is. My second year Biochemistry textbook has the details if you want to know more. SignatureJulie. 93.5/73.6/74 (WW)/72 (Personal) kg 205.7/161.9/162.8 (WW)/158 (Personal) lb Here's our FAQ: http://www.didian.com/asdww/ and welcome notice: http://www.geocities.com/welcomenotice/index.html > Please note that "fed into the same *system* as carbohydrates *and fat*" > (emphasis mine) is NOT the same as "gets converted into carbohydrates". ## What's the difference? You're nit picking. It acts exactly the SAME! If you didn't consume one carbo for a year you would not suffer from Carb deficiency. You're body would produce these same converted proteins and provide you with plenty of carbs. The > body is very good at breaking pretty much everything down into ATP > (adenosine triphosphate) (what the body uses for energy). It is not a > carbohydrate. ## Neither is a carbo still a carbo when it's stored as FAT. The amount of energy the body uses to do the converson from > whatever to ATP varies depending on what the "whatever" is. My second year > Biochemistry textbook has the details if you want to know more. ## Explain from your biochemistry book why no humans suffer from "CARBO' deficiency," and where the carbs come from when there are NONE in the diet. SignatureWysong Age 60. Height 5'6" Starting date: 1/8/05 171/ 167 / 140 lb ========================================== > > > $$ If you eat excess proteins you're body converts them to carbohydrates > > and [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >I don't save all the URLS I go to on the net. I'm sure you can find > >the info easily if you Google a bit. :-) =========================================== > Actually, you'll find that what really happens to excess protein is > this, basically: [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > carbohydrates and fat and is broken down into energy or taken into the > fat stores. $$ There you! :-) That's why low-carbers have to control there intake if meat, cheese and eggs at some point. > 5. The urea is extracted from the blood by the kidneys and removed from > the body as urine. > So the correct answer to the question "What happens to excess protein?" > is that some of it is broken down to produce energy, but the rest of it > poisons your system $$ And yet no one is dying from being *poisoned* by all this excess protein as we all know. Many people have been on Atkins for example, for many years now. and has to be removed by the liver and kidneys. So > it's really not a good idea to have too much. $$ Exactly! Too much will fatten you up among other things. > You are unlikely to read this on most low-carb websites however, as I > would imagine it might be a bit scary for people. $$ Why? Where are all the people on low-carb diets being rushed to the hospital from being *poisoned* by the meats they're eating? Where are all those who died from the toxins? How are the Eskimos and other far northern people living all toxed out? > OTOH, being morbidly obese is also dangerous, so for some people it's a > case of weighing up the lesser of two evils. $$ This is true. Whatever gets the FAT off! This is also why most low-carbers are actually eating a high-fat/moderate-protein/low-carb diet. Also, keep in mind that they keep CHANGING these nutritional/diet beliefs as new research comes out.... what's gospel today is trash tomorrow. SignatureWysong Age 60. Height 5'6" Starting date: 1/8/05 171/ 167 / 140 lb ========================================== >$$ There you! :-) That's why low-carbers have to control there intake if >meat, cheese and eggs at some point. Atkins (which you proclaim to know so much about) is NOT a high protein diet. It is a high FAT, reasonable protein diet. Could be why you weren't successful with it. I think you need to have a chat with Lyle MacDonald. Lynne Highest Weight - 308 WW Start Weight this time around - 222.4 Weight this week - 217.4 Goal - 150 (Subject to change) "Change doesn't happen while you're sitting around." > >$$ There you! :-) That's why low-carbers have to control there intake if > >meat, cheese and eggs at some point. > Atkins (which you proclaim to know so much about) is NOT a high > protein diet. ## No one said it was a high protein diet unless the person CHOOSES to make it a high protein diet. Many people can't adjust to the high fat low-carb diets. So they eat low-carb/higher-protein diets. It's a high FAT diet more than a high protein diet. It is a high FAT, reasonable protein diet. ## For most people. Others favor a higher protein/lower fat intake on the diet - and if YOU knew so much you would know that all low-carb diets are NOT Atkins diets. Could be why > you weren't successful with it. I think you need to have a chat with > Lyle MacDonald. ## I was very successful with it the first 5 months and lost 46 lbs. Maybe at 217.4 you ought to try it for awhile. :-) SignatureWysong Age 60. Height 5'6" Starting date: 1/8/05 171/ 167 / 140 lb ========================================== >I think you need to have a chat with >Lyle MacDonald. Hehe :) Ray Signature2002 1.8i eternal red $$ And yet no one is dying from being *poisoned* by all this exces protein as we all know. and > $$ Why? Where are all the people on low-carb diets being rushed to the > hospital from being *poisoned* by the meats they're eating? Where are all > those who died from the toxins? Well here is one. I ended up 3 times in hospital with severe kidney failure and was forbidden animal protein, and excess other proteins because I nearly died of it. Anecdotical, but it happens. More than you know. Meanwhile, nearly lost 100 lbs on a healthy WW points diet. Nathalie > $$ And yet no one is dying from being *poisoned* by all this exces protein >as we all know. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >Nathalie Actually, "poisoning" by too much animal protein is exactly what thousands of people in the Western world, possibly millions, ostensibly are. Most of us eat far too much, and far too little fruit and veg with it. (I've had kidney problems myself) By eating small amounts of meat and fish, moderate amounts of starchy foods and tons of fruit and veg I'm not only losing weight and losing inches whilst avoiding hunger pangs, I'm also boosting my immune system and potentially lengthening my life. Wysong, you can on on and on about how great a low-carb lifestyle is, but the fact is you're still overweight and you admit yourself that the weight-loss stalled after a few months. I think the saying "Physician, heal thyself" applies here. SignatureAnna (in UK) Maximum weight: 184 lbs Start Weight this time: 174 lbs Goal Weight: 146 lbs Current Weight: 165.5 lbs > Actually, "poisoning" by too much animal protein is exactly what > thousands of people in the Western world, possibly millions, ostensibly > are. Most of us eat far too much, and far too little fruit and veg with > it. (I've had kidney problems myself) ## If by poisoned you mean *OBESE* than yes, I agree with you. But keep in mind all the societies that live and thrive on nothing but meat and GREENS. They get everything they need from weaning to the grave on this and are healthy, producing healthy children. > By eating small amounts of meat and fish, moderate amounts of starchy > foods and tons of fruit and veg I'm not only losing weight and losing > inches whilst avoiding hunger pangs, I'm also boosting my immune system > and potentially lengthening my life. ## Which is the SAME thing the devout low-carbers are claiming since they're BP, cholesterol and triglicerides fall.... and yes I know there are the rare cases where this doesn't happen as well. No one ever claimed WW was an unhealthy diet. > Wysong, you can on on and on about how great a low-carb lifestyle is, ## Where did I claim it was a "great lifestyle?" I said it WORKS for almost everyone who tried it. Don't you watch TV? They've had several shows on this in the past 2 years. Even the NYTimes had a 3 page low-carb article online last year. People on low-carb add carbs until they start to gain - then stop there. I never heard of one of them who only ate meat and no veggies at all! > but the fact is you're still overweight and you admit yourself that the > weight-loss stalled after a few months. ## And you keep forgetting that on WW I was losing less than a lb a month at the time. How come you never mention that, and the fact I dumped 46 lbs in 5 months on low-carb? And that' with the same thyroid problem! I think the saying "Physician, > heal thyself" applies here. ## Yes, and as PROOF the low-carbs diets work I lost 46 lbs I would NOT have lost had I stayed on WW at the time. Memory problems Anna? SignatureWysong Age 60. Height 5'6" Starting date: 1/8/05 171/ 166 / 140 lb ========================================== >> Actually, "poisoning" by too much animal protein is exactly what >> thousands of people in the Western world, possibly millions, ostensibly >> are. Most of us eat far too much, and far too little fruit and veg with >> it. (I've had kidney problems myself) > >## If by poisoned you mean *OBESE* than yes, I agree with you. No, I mean liver disease, kidney stones and cancers. >> Wysong, you can on on and on about how great a low-carb lifestyle is, > >## Where did I claim it was a "great lifestyle?" I said it WORKS for almost >everyone who tried it. Except you, evidently. Otherwise you've be slim and wouldn't be bothering us on the WW NG. >> but the fact is you're still overweight and you admit yourself that the >> weight-loss stalled after a few months. > >## And you keep forgetting that on WW I was losing less than a lb a month >at the time. How come you never mention that, and the fact I dumped 46 lbs >in 5 months on low-carb? And that' with the same thyroid problem! But you're still overweight, aren't you? So come back and tell us how great low-carbing is when you've lost the rest. "It stopped working" isn't really a great advert - kind of hoisted by your own petard, actually. P.S. You're not an Eskimo. SignatureAnna (in UK) Start Weight: 174 lbs Goal Weight: 146 lbs Current Weight: 165.5 lbs >>> Actually, "poisoning" by too much animal protein is exactly what >>> thousands of people in the Western world, possibly millions, ostensibly [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > >P.S. You're not an Eskimo. You do not know that. It does appear that she has her head in the ice! Anyone ever heard the phrase don't feed the trolls ? this is getting ridiculous.. SignatureWill~ 196.2 / 131.8 / 137 lbs 89 / 59.8 / 62.1 Kg Personal goal 125 lbs / 56.7 Kg > > >>> Actually, "poisoning" by too much animal protein is exactly what [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > You do not know that. It does appear that she has her head in the > ice! I have made a decision I need to share so you guys won't think I am ignoring your posts. I used my filters the other day, now I find I am letting myself be drawn back into arguments that are not productive. When a post is seen by a person I have filtered I am going to mark the entire thread as read. I am telling you this so you won't think I am being rude. I hope those of you with excellent information will see fit to share it elsewhere in other threads at another time, Lee > >> Actually, "poisoning" by too much animal protein is exactly what > >> thousands of people in the Western world, possibly millions, ostensibly [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > Goal Weight: 146 lbs > Current Weight: 165.5 lbs That's understandable. What I am doing is just not responding to the person filtered so that I can enjoy the thread. If I see the thread is getting out of hand THEN I just mark the thread read and move on. > I have made a decision I need to share so you guys won't think I am ignoring > your posts. I used my filters the other day, now I find I am letting myself [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > > Goal Weight: 146 lbs > > Current Weight: 165.5 lbs > $$ And yet no one is dying from being *poisoned* by all this exces protein > as we all know. > and > > $$ Why? Where are all the people on low-carb diets being rushed to the > > hospital from being *poisoned* by the meats they're eating? Where are all > > those who died from the toxins? ================= > Well here is one. I ended up 3 times in hospital with severe kidney failure > and was forbidden animal protein, and excess other proteins because I nearly > died of it. ## But eating meats didn't CAUSE the underlying kidney problem. All it did was *aggravate* it. > Anecdotical, but it happens. More than you know. Meanwhile, nearly lost 100 > lbs on a healthy WW points diet. ## Then stick with it! :o) Whatever works. I personally like WW better than a low-carb diet but was willing to try anything to get the fat off. Since they adjusted my thyroid medication WW seems to be working this time for me as well. :-) Aside from WW I'm back walking almost every day - I'm sure that's helping. I weighed myself this morning and was happy to see I lost another lb. That's 5 lbs since 1/8. SignatureWysong Age 60. Height 5'6" Starting date: 1/8/05 171/ 166 / 140 lb ========================================== google for teenager/kidney failure/Atkins. she died last summer and parents are suing the Atkins estate because of it, Lee > $$ And yet no one is dying from being *poisoned* by all this exces protein > as we all know. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Nathalie and is the answer to why kidney and liver damage can occur, Lee > > > $$ If you eat excess proteins you're body converts them to carbohydrates > > and [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > Goal Weight: 146 lbs > Current Weight: 165.5 lbs >> To much of anything will get you sick... but how do you define too much >> proteines ? > >$$ If you eat excess proteins you're body converts them to carbohydrates and >stores them as fat. same old song eh? If carbohydrate gets stored as fat why are ALL competitive marathon runners (who eat scads of carbs) skinny runts? Ray Signature2002 1.8i eternal red > >> To much of anything will get you sick... but how do you define too much > >> proteines ? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > same old song eh? ## Are you claiming if you over-ate meat you will TOX out and die? That your body simply "flushes" it all out? If that were the case meat, like celery and lettuce, would be unlimited. So don't sine me your same old song that people DIE of carbo deficiency when they have enough meat in their diets. Sing that SONG to the Eskimos. :o) > If carbohydrate gets stored as fat why are ALL competitive marathon > runners (who eat scads of carbs) skinny runts? ## Use your HEAD! We would ALL be skinny runts if we were out there running with them - regardless of our diets. Also, I see plenty of average weight runners and joggers where I live - even a few chubby ones. I never knew one obese person who got out there and ran or jogged. Most didn't walk further than their car or mailbox. SignatureWysong Age 60. Height 5'6" Starting date: 1/8/05 171/ 166 / 140 lb ========================================== I think "too much" is an individual thing and we should listen to our bodies for the answer. Lee > To much of anything will get you sick... but how do you define too much > proteines ? [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > > Goal Weight: 146 lbs > > Current Weight: 165.5 lbs That is the word of wisdom there ! SignatureWill~ 196.2 / 131.8 / 137 lbs 89 / 59.8 / 62.1 Kg Personal goal 125 lbs / 56.7 Kg > I think "too much" is an individual thing and we should listen to our bodies > for the answer. Lee [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > > > Goal Weight: 146 lbs > > > Current Weight: 165.5 lbs I go for some protein in all snacks, but my grams total for the day are always a little low on the total protein...... I choose to eat a lot of veggies too. And I have to have my crusty bread. SignatureLesanne >> >>> The Thing is different people are Different. Which is no doubt why she [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > sunflower seeds, yoghurt and if you have access to a fridge, something > like a ricecake with pastrami or ham on it and/or some LF cream cheese. > Was watching UK Food today and there was a lady on there who said whenever > you snack on fruit, the natural sugars give you an energy boost making your > more hungry, so you should eat a form of protein with the fruit like a > handful of nuts which counteracts the sugars and makes you less hungry > afterwards. ======================== Nuts are very high in calories/fats! You'll go through a lot of points "fast" with them (only 7 pecans are 5 pts). It's the FAT in nuts that curbs hunger, not protein. The high fat in most low-carb diets is how people can make the claim that they're "never hungry." Check the low-carb NGs for more info on that. I'm avoiding nuts for the time being. SignatureWysong Age 60. Height 5'6" Starting date: 1/8/05 171/ 167 / 140 lb ========================================== >> Was watching UK Food today and there was a lady on there who said >> whenever [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > more > info on that. I'm avoiding nuts for the time being. Well this was a nutritionalist, I am sure she knew what she was talking about. Not that I doubt what you say, but maybe there is a particular reason why she recommended it. Perhaps it is because peanuts contain omega 3 unsaturated fats which are good for you as opposed to saturated fats and actually help to reduce cholesterol. Very interesting article here about nuts and how they can really help with weight loss and your general health. http://umanitoba.fitdv.com/new/articles/article.html?artid=224 >>> Was watching UK Food today and there was a lady on there who said >>> whenever [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > weight loss and your general health. > http://umanitoba.fitdv.com/new/articles/article.html?artid=224 Here is an even better article which explains why peanuts are very good for you. http://greatdayamerica.com/health/nutrition/peanuts.shtml > Here is an even better article which explains why peanuts are very good for > you. > http://greatdayamerica.com/health/nutrition/peanuts.shtml ==================== I didn't say they weren't GOOD for you - please see my post above this one regarding Pts and nuts. SignatureWysong Age 60. Height 5'6" Starting date: 1/8/05 171/ 167 / 140 lb ========================================== > >> Was watching UK Food today and there was a lady on there who said > >> whenever [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Well this was a nutritionalist, ## Which doesn't mean they're right. Look how FAT American's are by listening to *nutritionists* for the past 25 years. We ate less fats and more carbs and we're still dying from the same disease - this time due to OBESITY! According to that NYTImes article last year they're taking a closer look at the old food pyramid and having second thoughts. I am sure she knew what she was talking > about. Not that I doubt what you say, but maybe there is a particular > reason why she recommended it. ## The reason is the HIGH number of calories packed into those nuts would kill almost anyone's appetite for awhile. But do you want all those CALORIES? I can eat lunch for only 3 points, so why would I want a snack that uses up 5 points? Why would anyone? Perhaps it is because peanuts contain omega > 3 unsaturated fats which are good for you as opposed to saturated fats and > actually help to reduce cholesterol. ## Anyone sticking to the WW diet plan is very unlikely to have a cholesterol problem. :-) But keep in mind they've recently discovered it's also a TRIGLICERIDE problem that causes heart disease (clogs). And that's related to CARBS, not saturated fats. When I was on low-carb my cholesterol dropped from 230 to 185. My triglicerides also dropped but I don't remember the numbers. > Very interesting article here about nuts and how they can really help with > weight loss and your general health. > http://umanitoba.fitdv.com/new/articles/article.html?artid=224 ## Well if you eat 5 Pts worth of nuts, and only 7 nuts are not a lot, that means you have to eat 5 Pts *less* of something else that's also healthy. Until I reach goal weight I would rather have a nice plate of baked fish (or chicken) with a cup of spinach or cauliflower than only 7 pecans. But hey, that's just me! :-) SignatureWysong Age 60. Height 5'6" Starting date: 1/8/05 171/ 167 / 140 lb ========================================== >> >> Was watching UK Food today and there was a lady on there who said >> >> whenever [quoted text clipped - 55 lines] > hey, > that's just me! :-) Sorry I was not trying to cause an arguement I hope it didn't seem that way. The problem is that we all rely on different sorts of media for our needs, its the same for anything in life, not just diet. Unfortunately as shown here there are contradicting opinions as to what is good and what isn't. I see reports on tv or net or whatever, and other people disagree and it all gets a bit too much and my delicate mind cannot understand it all :-) So many people struggle with their weight and when people like myself rely on media to help out it can throw people into all sorts of directions. "This is good, that is good, oh no we change our mind that is not good and neither is that!!! " We get that all the time, no wonder we cannot keep up with forever changing health requirements. They have been saying for years that we shoudl eat 5 fruit and veg a day, but I have seen recent research to suggest that actually no, we do not need that amount. BTW I have lost 4lb in 3 days. It may seem too much, but I think most of that is water loss. Hey, eating nuts has been determined to be healthy, like everything else - in moderation. So, an occasional 5 point NUTRITIOUS snack of nuts is definitely fine. It is not wasting your points at all. Now, that said, it may not be filling and that could leave you possibly hungry so work it in but remember that you might have to deal with hunger. Then again, they may be quite satiating. >>> >> Was watching UK Food today and there was a lady on there who said >>> >> whenever [quoted text clipped - 73 lines] >BTW I have lost 4lb in 3 days. It may seem too much, but I think most of >that is water loss. They are very satisfying to me. I have a quarter cup measure I use to dip them out of the pack with, and although the hunger does not go instantly, in 15 minutes it is gone and stays gone for quite a while. SignatureLesanne > Hey, eating nuts has been determined to be healthy, like everything > else - in moderation. So, an occasional 5 point NUTRITIOUS snack of [quoted text clipped - 97 lines] >>BTW I have lost 4lb in 3 days. It may seem too much, but I think most of >>that is water loss. > They are very satisfying to me. I have a quarter cup measure I use to dip > them out of the pack with, and although the hunger does not go instantly, > in 15 minutes it is gone and stays gone for quite a while. How many is a quarter cup, and how many calories? Just that I don't know about the points system. If you have a scale it is an ounce by wt, or 28 gms. I don't recall the calories, it is 4 points, so most likely around 170 - 200 or so. SignatureLesanne > >> They are very satisfying to me. I have a quarter cup measure I use to dip [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > How many is a quarter cup, and how many calories? Just that I don't know > about the points system. > If you have a scale it is an ounce by wt, or 28 gms. > I don't recall the calories, it is 4 points, so most likely around 170 - > 200 or so. 1oz of peanuts is okay for a snack, I don't see why some see it as a problem. *shrugs* :-) > > If you have a scale it is an ounce by wt, or 28 gms. > > I don't recall the calories, it is 4 points, so most likely around 170 - > > 200 or so. > > 1oz of peanuts is okay for a snack, I don't see why some see it as a > problem. *shrugs* :-) An ounce of peanuts is a healthy snack. So is some peanut butter. IF you have the points to spare. For those heavier people with 24+ points per day having some peanut butter is a great way to use up extra points on something other than junk. When I was doing flex I did that on a regular basis. I also had peanut butter and jelly sandwiches a couple of times a week. Being on a low fat diet a person needs some fats and peanut butter is an excellent way of doing that. Not a problem in my book. I guess not in my leader's book either as she regularly recommends peanut butter as a healthy meal or snack. Just use it in moderation and don't go over your points. > > If you have a scale it is an ounce by wt, or 28 gms. > > I don't recall the calories, it is 4 points, so most likely around 170 - > > 200 or so. > > 1oz of peanuts is okay for a snack, I don't see why some see it as a > problem. *shrugs* :-) ============== It's NOT a problem as long as you keep track of the points. If you use 4 or 5 Pts for the nuts as a pre lunch snack, then you have to give up those Pts somewhere else during the day. Would you be willing to have a much lighter lunch? SignatureWysong Age 60. Height 5'6" Starting date: 1/8/05 171/ 167 / 140 lb ========================================== > It's NOT a problem as long as you keep track of the points. If you use 4 > or [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > lighter > lunch? Hello. I tend to be very satisfied most of the time eating the way I do. Around 6 points for breakfast, lunch and supper each, and 10 to 15 more in snacks. I work out hard at least 6 hours a week, plus I work on my feet most the time. Read my stats before you try to tell me what works for me will ya? :) Lesanne 365/161.5/164 159 this morning after a nice pile of peanuts and raisins for my snack yesterday afternoon. Well, eating those nuts explains why you are nuts. I've stopped responding to her. There have been tempting opportunities but I probably overdid it last week. We do not convert proteins and fats to carbos. The body processes those items differently and the byproducts may be more stressful to the body. Kidney stones, gout, etc. Nuts maybe fattening but that does not make them deadly, dangerous or nutritionally deficient unless you have allergies. Water in reasonably large quantities has not killed anybody unless they attempted to breathe it in. And the old program worked better than the new one that you don't follow anyway. And weak folks simply need to develop willpower and overnight they will be slim and trim just like her. >> It's NOT a problem as long as you keep track of the points. If you use 4 >> or [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >159 this morning after a nice pile of peanuts and raisins for my snack >yesterday afternoon. > Water in reasonably large quantities has not killed anybody unless > they attempted to breathe it in. I dunno - see www.dhmo.org :-D Cheers, helen s > > Water in reasonably large quantities has not killed anybody unless > > they attempted to breathe it in. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Cheers, helen s ======================== It seems like the people on this NG who heard something, or read something on a/at a WW meeting or website think it's the gospel TRUTH! There's controversy over just about everything where food and diet are concerned. As for myself, I get NAUSEOUS when I drink all the WW recommended water. It was actually sickening. It also disrupted my sleep with so many trips to the bathroom in the middle of the night. And I still lost less than a lb a month. At this time the older 2001 1-2-3 plan is working BUT I am at the low end of my points and I am walking 1 to 2 miles a day. They also upped my thyroid meds a little a few months ago. And YES, I go to bed hungry most nights because a pear or cup of yogurt is not filling. However I'll stick to it since I am losing about a lb a week. SignatureWysong Age 60. Height 5'6" Starting date: 1/8/05 171/ 166 / 140 lb ========================================== >> > Water in reasonably large quantities has not killed anybody unless >> > they attempted to breathe it in. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > It seems like the people on this NG who heard something, or read something > on a/at a WW meeting or website think it's the gospel TRUTH! I do hope you don't think I believe that www.dhmo.org is anything other than a gloriously funny site. Cheers, helen s Dang, you think it's the Nuts doing it? Geeze Louise, guess I'll just have to stay crazy. But I cannot give up a good snort of water now and then, it cleans the sinus'. Sinuses.? Sinewa? Well, you know..... She does pop up every now and then with all that great advice and wisdom. I saw here when I was still morbidly obese. And again while I was just plain obese, then again while overweight..... Someone is doing well, but I cannot figure out who to take advice from....... SignatureLesanne > Well, eating those nuts explains why you are nuts. > [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] >>159 this morning after a nice pile of peanuts and raisins for my snack >>yesterday afternoon. > Dang, you think it's the Nuts doing it? Geeze Louise, guess I'll just have > to stay crazy. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > obese, then again while overweight..... Someone is doing well, but I cannot > figure out who to take advice from....... Yeah, you have to be careful whose advise we take in this group. Someone who is basically at the same weight she was at 2 years ago or those of us that have lost 50 to 100 pounds since that time. Gee, gotta wonder. > Yeah, you have to be careful whose advise we take in this group. Someone who > is basically at the same weight she was at 2 years ago or those of us that > have lost 50 to 100 pounds since that time. Gee, gotta wonder. ====================== And after 2+ YEARS you're still overweight? Where are your stats? I see you never post them. Why aren't YOU at goal weight? Too many nuts? :-))) Forget to deduct high fat snack Pts from other meals? I love nuts, even raw peanuts, but will save then for when I reach my goal weight. SignatureWysong Age 60. Height 5'6" Starting date: 1/8/05 171/ 166 / 140 lb ========================================== > > Yeah, you have to be careful whose advise we take in this group. Someone > who [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > I love nuts, even raw peanuts, but will save then for when I reach my goal > weight. Why do you need to be so abusive to people in this newsgroup? Is it because we don't agree with every bit of crap you send our way??? As I said the other day, you pulled this crap on us in 2003. You're attitude towards us was not welcome then and you certainly are headed in the same direction this time too. We are a support group. We don't bash people. We try and help them. We make recommendations that people can accept or reject as they please. You don't see other people attacking every comment made like you do. If you can't play nice then get the h*ll out of here and leave us alone. Wanna see my stats? Here they are. Many people don't post their stats with every message. I don't feel the need to. I can at least say that I am making progress in the past 2 years while you can't. I am a slow loser but at least I am losing. That's more than you can say. This btw, is the last message that I will post to you or in any thread that you participate in. I can only hope that others will do the same thing. Signature~Laura~ 245.6/177/145 WW 4/21/03 178.6/177/170 INTL > > > Yeah, you have to be careful whose advise we take in this group. Someone > > who [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Why do you need to be so abusive to people in this newsgroup? ## Why are so many so RUDE to me? That goes TWO ways. Is it because > we don't agree with every bit of crap you send our way??? ## Why must I agree with every bit of crap you send MY way? You act like WW is some kind of religion! As I said the > other day, you pulled this crap on us in 2003. ## And so did you! Pot calling kettle black? It's no secret that WW doesn't work for everyone as you seem to think. If it did there wouldn't be one overweight person left in the USA. Since this is a Public Forum why should only YOU have the right to give opinions here? And why do you get so upset if someone questions them? You're attitude towards us > was not welcome then and you certainly are headed in the same direction this > time too. We are a support group. ## It's because of people like YOU who try and silence those of us who question things all the diet programs claim. You have a problem with that for some reason. You simply can't accept that other people don't believe all the bullshit about water making you lose weight, uncontrollable cravings etc. We don't bash people. ## You bashed me the minute I questioned ANYTHING! WHY? Killfile me if I'm threatening your deity. I have as much RIGHT here as you and your old time cronies have. We try and help > them. We make recommendations that people can accept or reject as they > please. You don't see other people attacking every comment made like you do. > If you can't play nice then get the h*ll out of here and leave us alone. ## Playing nice means kissing your a.s! Use your killfile. You're delirious if you see someone "attacking every comment." When you feed people bullshit, yes I'll question it and you can't intimidate me into silence. > Wanna see my stats? Here they are. Many people don't post their stats with > every message. I don't feel the need to. ## Nor do I. It's my sigfile. > I can at least say that I am making progress in the past 2 years while you > can't. I am a slow loser but at least I am losing. That's more than you can > say. ## Oh, did you lose 46 lbs on WW the first 5 months? Did you lose 5 lbs since 1/8? > This btw, is the last message that I will post to you or in any thread that > you participate in. I can only hope that others will do the same thing. ## So that YOU can remain Queen? Be my guest. > ~Laura~ > 245.6/177/145 WW 4/21/03 > 178.6/177/170 INTL SignatureWysong Age 60. Height 5'6" Starting date: 1/8/05 171/ 166 / 140 lb ========================================== This will be my only reply! <snipped> >> Why do you need to be so abusive to people in this newsgroup? > > ## Why are so many so RUDE to me? That goes TWO ways. Being RUDE to someone will only get RUDE back. As I have taught my children, if you give respect you will get respect and at the moment, no one in this group respects your opinions and you do not respect any of ours. <snipped> Debbie 319.4/253.4/(mini goal 249.4)/150 Seems to me that you like telling people that they are overweight because they are lazy, have no will power, or don't do something else. Since this is a SUPPORT group, support would be helpful but calling people names and telling them they are lazy with no will power is NOT support. That is what people are complaining at the most. Suppot is to HELP people not hinder them Adele Signature248/242/169 minigoal 238 2/13/04 > > > > > Yeah, you have to be careful whose advise we take in this group. [quoted text clipped - 82 lines] > > 245.6/177/145 WW 4/21/03 > > 178.6/177/170 INTL >Dang, you think it's the Nuts doing it? Geeze Louise, guess I'll just have >to stay crazy. I'd suggest more nuts (G) >But I cannot give up a good snort of water now and then, it cleans the >sinus'. Sinuses.? Sinewa? Well, you know..... Ah, like the word that I detest - signage - sounds like nasal drip announcing McDonalds (G) >She does pop up every now and then with all that great advice and wisdom. I >saw here when I was still morbidly obese. And again while I was just plain >obese, then again while overweight..... Someone is doing well, but I cannot >figure out who to take advice from....... Clearly, you probably were just eating protein and fats and definitely not nuts or water or heaven forbid, complex carbs and fruits. I notice that she admitted that she was losing a pound a month even when it was NOT working. Just like her imposition of willpower and discipline and overnight success for those stupidly obese, that's what she seeks in weightloss. And this formerly obese body may not have run marathons but did hike up very tall mountains. It happens contrary to POPULAR opinion. And low-carb left me paralyzed trying to hike, bike or ski - no energy at all. > Clearly, you probably were just eating protein and fats and definitely > not nuts or water or heaven forbid, complex carbs and fruits. ## Wow and here I'm eating all those complex carbs and fruits and and lost 5 lbs! :-))) Looks like you didn't even read my posts.... > I notice that she admitted that she was losing a pound a month even > when it was NOT working. ## See,... Memory problems Fred? I was losing less than a lb a month I said several times. I don't call that great success, especially when it was costing $40 a month just for the meetings and getting CONTRADICTORY advice from the two people running the meetings. At $40 for each 3/4 lbs lost - well you do the math! Just like her imposition of willpower and > discipline and overnight success for those stupidly obese, that's what > she seeks in weightloss. ## So that's what you secretly think of the obese,... shame on you! > And this formerly obese body may not have run marathons but did hike > up very tall mountains. It happens contrary to POPULAR opinion. And > low-carb left me paralyzed trying to hike, bike or ski - no energy at > all. ## Then it was not for you, just like L.A. Weight loss, WW etc are not for everyone. SignatureWysong Age 60. Height 5'6" Starting date: 1/8/05 171/ 166 / 140 lb ========================================== Low carb nauseates me, like on day two. I mean Really nauseating. Lucky for me I got to goal eating my nuts and fruits. Snort. Ah... SignatureLESLIE ARNIM > >>Dang, you think it's the Nuts doing it? Geeze Louise, guess I'll just [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > low-carb left me paralyzed trying to hike, bike or ski - no energy at > all. > Low carb nauseates me, like on day two. I mean Really nauseating. > > Lucky for me I got to goal eating my nuts and fruits. Snort. Ah... Can't do low carb - I get waaaaay too hungry! And I feel woosy on day 2 or 3 too.. Can't do fatty foods. Makes my insides misbehave - badly. Can't do beef in larger quantities, or lamb. Can't do red wine. Oily Fish is OK. Looks like I should have been Sicilian! SignatureKate XXXXXX (Misplaced Scot!) Lady Catherine, Wardrobe Mistress of the Chocolate Buttons http://www.diceyhome.free-online.co.uk Click on Kate's Pages and explore! > We do not convert proteins and fats to carbos. $$ No one said FATS are turned into carbs. Proteins are turned into carbs, these carbs are stored on your body as human FAT to be burned in times of need. Reading comprehension problem? The body processes > those items differently and the byproducts may be more stressful to > the body. Kidney stones, gout, etc. $$ Only when no greens or other vegge matter are consumed, and that's only a FEW people. I see you fail to tell us where the Laplanders and Eskimo's get all there veggies, breads and grain. > Nuts maybe fattening but that does not make them deadly, dangerous or > nutritionally deficient unless you have allergies. $$ And no one said nuts are deadly or dangerous. You must have me confused with someone else. > Water in reasonably large quantities has not killed anybody unless > they attempted to breathe it in. $$ And so far no one has died from the WW low-carb plan or any other low-carb plan. :-) > And the old program worked better than the new one that you don't > follow anyway. > > And weak folks simply need to develop willpower and overnight they > will be slim and trim just like her. $$ Will power and self indulgence has a lot to do with weight gain/loss. Watch the Dr. Phil show when he has his weight loss challenge on and what he says about losing weight. Remember no diet plan is RELIGION. No one is running into your church screaming there is no God. And even WW has a low-carb plan. SignatureWysong Age 60. Height 5'6" Starting date: 1/8/05 171/ 166 / 140 lb ========================================== > > It's NOT a problem as long as you keep track of the points. If you use 4 > > or [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > lighter > > lunch? ================================== > Hello. I tend to be very satisfied most of the time eating the way I do. > Around 6 points for breakfast, lunch and supper each, and 10 to 15 more in > snacks. I work out hard at least 6 hours a week, plus I work on my feet most > the time. ## Whatever works for you! :-) If you're losing weight stay with it. > Read my stats before you try to tell me what works for me will ya? :) ## I didn't tell you what works better for you. > Lesanne > 365/161.5/164 > > 159 this morning after a nice pile of peanuts and raisins for my snack > yesterday afternoon. ## Of course! Pure lard would also work for a snack as long as you took the points off somewhere else! :o) SignatureWysong Age 60. Height 5'6" Starting date: 1/8/05 171/ 166 / 140 lb ========================================== > Hey, eating nuts has been determined to be healthy, like everything > else - in moderation. So, an occasional 5 point NUTRITIOUS snack of > nuts is definitely fine. It is not wasting your points at all. ## You sure will miss those 5 Pts at dinnertime. Been there - done that. Instead of 8 Pts for dinner as usual, all I had were 3 Pts. Not much of a dinner. :-( Now, > that said, it may not be filling and that could leave you possibly > hungry so work it in but remember that you might have to deal with > hunger. Then again, they may be quite satiating. SignatureWysong Age 60. Height 5'6" Starting date: 1/8/05 171/ 167 / 140 lb ========================================== >> Hey, eating nuts has been determined to be healthy, like everything >> else - in moderation. So, an occasional 5 point NUTRITIOUS snack of [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > a > dinner. :-( But a 3 point dinner is easy. 100g of good quality steak (if it's good quality you don't need more than that), and a mass of zero point veggies. That's what I have most nights, and that gives my day space for a 2 point snack of almonds (much lower fat than pecans) during the day. It's about priorities and balance really. SignatureJulie. 93.5/73.6/74 (WW)/72 (Personal) kg 205.7/161.9/162.8 (WW)/158 (Personal) lb Here's our FAQ: http://www.didian.com/asdww/ and welcome notice: http://www.geocities.com/welcomenotice/index.html > >> Hey, eating nuts has been determined to be healthy, like everything > >> else - in moderation. So, an occasional 5 point NUTRITIOUS snack of [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > a > > dinner. :-( =============================================== > But a 3 point dinner is easy. 100g of good quality steak (if it's good > quality you don't need more than that), ## 100G of steak is a few bites. A 1/2 cup (child size portion) is 3 Pts. and a mass of zero point veggies. ## OK,... here's the problem with zero Pt. veggies. As much as I love veggies and eat all kinds - they're not very filling and in less than an hour I'm getting hungry again. When I say hungry I'm not talking about the "munchies" but real stomach burbling hunger. A 1/2 cup of beef is a very small amount for a person 5' 6" tall and fairly active. Of course you'll claim you don't have that problem with low-carb veggies - right? Maybe you don't but I do. > That's what I have most nights, and that gives my day space for a 2 point > snack of almonds (much lower fat than pecans) during the day. It's about > priorities and balance really. ## Whatever works for you. Dinner is the biggest meal here. I don't have a need to snack and seldom do. I eat 3 meals a day and spread my Pts among them. Even that's hard as I've only eaten two meals a day since I was a pre-teen. I have a piece of fruit at night because WW claims we need more than 3 meals a day.... and stay within my Pts. SignatureWysong Age 60. Height 5'6" Starting date: 1/8/05 171/ 167 / 140 lb ========================================== >> >> Hey, eating nuts has been determined to be healthy, like everything >> >> else - in moderation. So, an occasional 5 point NUTRITIOUS snack of [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > ## 100G of steak is a few bites. A 1/2 cup (child size portion) is 3 > Pts. A few bites? Its a quarter lb burger. Thats more than a few bites :-) > >> >> Hey, eating nuts has been determined to be healthy, like everything > >> >> else - in moderation. So, an occasional 5 point NUTRITIOUS snack of [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > A few bites? Its a quarter lb burger. Thats more than a few bites :-) ======================= I don't measure by grams as I have a ounce scale and measuring cup. I measure the beef in the cup before cooking and there isn't much left afterward, even the low fat beef. :-( I would rather use 6 Pts (1cup) and have a nice filling meal. But, it's whatever works for you. To keep my metab' going I do snack on fruit at least twice a day, but they're only 1 Pt each leaving me more pts for lunch and dinner. I only eat about 23 to 24 Pts a day. If I stop losing weight, I'll drop them lower but will get these last 26 to 30 lbs off. :o))) SignatureWysong Age 60. Height 5'6" Starting date: 1/8/05 171/ 166 / 140 lb ========================================== >> A few bites? Its a quarter lb burger. Thats more than a few bites :-) > ======================= [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > these > last 26 to 30 lbs off. :o))) Whichever way you measure it, its still a quarter pound of beef :-) > I don't measure by grams as I have a ounce scale and measuring cup. I > measure the beef in the cup before cooking and there isn't much left [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > these > last 26 to 30 lbs off. :o))) I'm seeing the problem here. I don't eat ground beef (or whatever it is you call mince). I eat steak with all the fat trimmed off. No way one of those is fitting into a cup measure. A piece of beef the size of the palm of your hand, 1cm (about half an inch) thick is 100g, and is one serving. That's not just one WW serving, but one serving according to the healthy eating pyramid and standard nutritional guidelines. As you say though, it's whatever works for you. This is what works for *me*, so I was throwing it out as a suggestion just in case someone wanted ideas on how not to spend 6-8 points on dinner. SignatureJulie. 93.5/73.6/74 (WW)/72 (Personal) kg 205.7/161.9/162.8 (WW)/158 (Personal) lb Here's our FAQ: http://www.didian.com/asdww/ and welcome notice: http://www.geocities.com/welcomenotice/index.html > Sorry I was not trying to cause an arguement I hope it didn't seem that way. $$ It didn't seem that way. > The problem is that we all rely on different sorts of media for our needs, > its the same for anything in life, not just diet. Unfortunately as shown > here there are contradicting opinions as to what is good and what isn't. $$ That exists even among the experts, Drs, nutritionists and researchers. They can't even agree on what early humans ate as a basic diet over the huge time span we evolved.... I've read we were carnivores, onvivores and vegetarians and only opportunistic carnivores. IOW - take your pick. We can evidently live on a vegetarian diet or a carnivore diet as the Eskimos do/did. They're now are becoming as sick and diseased as we are since they're eating a similar diet in many places. And guess what? Some 'experts' are blaming all the carbs they now consume, making them as fat and unhealthy as we American's are. Those who stick to their native diet of fish and meat remain healthy. There are tribes in Africa that exist on meat and greens only - very much like the Atkins diet. None of these people are dying from protein "toxicity." I > see reports on tv or net or whatever, and other people disagree and it all > gets a bit too much and my delicate mind cannot understand it all :-) > So many people struggle with their weight and when people like myself rely > on media to help out it can throw people into all sorts of directions. $$ Because even the experts can't agree on so many issues. > "This is good, that is good, oh no we change our mind that is not good and > neither is that!!! " We get that all the time, no wonder we cannot keep up > with forever changing health requirements. $$ There you go! :-) What's truth today is discarded tomorrow. > They have been saying for years that we shoudl eat 5 fruit and veg a day, > but I have seen recent research to suggest that actually no, we do not need > that amount. $$ See? And you don't even NEED carbs to survive! Eating just enough to supply your vitamin/mineral needs will do the trick. > BTW I have lost 4lb in 3 days. It may seem too much, but I think most of > that is water loss. $$ Every little bit counts in the end. :-)) SignatureWysong Age 60. Height 5'6" Starting date: 1/8/05 171/ 167 / 140 lb ========================================== >## Which doesn't mean they're right. Look how FAT American's are by >listening to *nutritionists* for the past 25 years. We ate less fats and >more carbs and we're still dying from the same disease - this time due to >OBESITY! According to that NYTImes article last year they're taking a >closer look at the old food pyramid and having second thoughts. Have you ever read what the federal governemnet advice actually is? You shouldn't believe everything you read in the papers. These are the highpoints of the current dietary advice to Americans http://www.health.gov/dietaryguidelines/dga2005/default.htm "In brief, the Committee's findings support nine major messages: Consume a variety of foods within and among the basic food groups while staying within energy needs. Control calorie intake to manage body weight. Be physically active every day. Increase daily intake of fruits and vegetables, whole grains, and nonfat or low-fat milk and milk products. Choose fats wisely for good health. Choose carbohydrates wisely for good health. Choose and prepare foods with little salt. If you drink alcohol, do so in moderation. Keep food safe to eat." The food pyramid is here http://www.usda.gov/cnpp/pyrabklt.pdf Both these sources go into a great deal of detail about what you should eat, and both are particularly insistent that you should control calories. If Americans followed the latter advice there would not be so many overweight Americans. Ray Signature2002 1.8i eternal red > >## Which doesn't mean they're right. Look how FAT American's are by > >listening to *nutritionists* for the past 25 years. We ate less fats and > >more carbs and we're still dying from the same disease - this time due to > >OBESITY! According to that NYTImes article last year they're taking a > >closer look at the old food pyramid and having second thoughts. > Have you ever read what the federal governemnet advice actually is? > You shouldn't believe everything you read in the papers. ## No one should. But it appears many do! > These are the highpoints of the current dietary advice to Americans > http://www.health.gov/dietaryguidelines/dga2005/default.htm > "In brief, the Committee's findings support nine major messages: > Consume a variety of foods within and among the basic food groups > while staying within energy needs. ## This goes without saying. > Control calorie intake to manage body weight. ## We need experts to tell us this? > Be physically active every day. > Increase daily intake of fruits and vegetables, whole grains, and > nonfat or low-fat milk and milk products. ## This is nothing new either.... > Choose fats wisely for good health. > Choose carbohydrates wisely for good health. > Choose and prepare foods with little salt. > If you drink alcohol, do so in moderation. > Keep food safe to eat." ## This looks like the same old information just rehashed and repackaged. > The food pyramid is here > http://www.usda.gov/cnpp/pyrabklt.pdf ## So what's new about it? It's still showing us a high carb diet - the SAME diet we can thank for the runaway obesity here in the USA. The rest of the information is common sense i.e. - eat less - move more! > Both these sources go into a great deal of detail about what you > should eat, and both are particularly insistent that you should > control calories. ## But this is NOTHING new Ray! No matter what diet you're on, from vegetarian to nearly all meat like the Eskimos, if you consume too many calories you will get fat! > If Americans followed the latter advice there would not be so many > overweight Americans. ## But for some reason over 65% of people can't or refuse to follow it. Have you read about the Hispanic population (mainly carb diet) in the Bronx NY and their abnormally high number of obese people suffering from diabetes? Even their children are obese and developing adult onset diabetes. Asthma is also abnormally high in these communities. Someone somewhere needs to do some serious research on a healthy diet most people will and can follow.... SignatureWysong Age 60. Height 5'6" Starting date: 1/8/05 171/ 166 / 140 lb ========================================== > ## But for some reason over 65% of people can't or refuse to follow it. > Have you read about the Hispanic population (mainly carb diet) in the [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > do some serious research on a healthy diet most people will and can > follow.... I blame McDonalds >## But this is NOTHING new Ray! No matter what diet you're on, from >vegetarian to nearly all meat like the Eskimos, if you consume too many >calories you will get fat! Congratulations. You got it in 1. Ray Signature2002 1.8i eternal red I eat a few nuts pretty much every day..... SignatureLesanne 365/161.5/164 >> Was watching UK Food today and there was a lady on there who said >> whenever [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > more > info on that. I'm avoiding nuts for the time being. >I eat a few nuts pretty much every day..... Nuts are great preventatives for diabetes (a handful of nuts a week can reduce your risk of diabetes by 60%, or improve the condition if you already have it), as well as certain cancers. However, I've developed an allergy to some nuts and have been told to avoid all nuts and peanuts until I can see the allergy specialist :( If it wasn't for that, I too would be eating a few points worth of nuts every day. SignatureAnna (in UK) Start Weight: 174 lbs Goal Weight: 146 lbs Current Weight: 165.5 lbs >>I eat a few nuts pretty much every day..... > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > If it wasn't for that, I too would be eating a few points worth of nuts > every day. Thats a real shame. If it is only some nuts, you cannot really take any risks and should rule out all nuts. Trouble is, nut allergy warnings are too common. You will probably find lots of foods have nut allergy warnings on them when there is no need. I have seen warnings on products where the company does not even make nut products. Its too much erring on the side of caution and the consumer suffers. Of course the funniest thing I have seen is a bag of peanuts which has "warning this product contains nuts". LOL I don't.. I'm allergic to them.. but hey I'm married to one.. does that count ? *big grin* SignatureWill~ 196.2 / 131.8 / 137 lbs 89 / 59.8 / 62.1 Kg Personal goal 125 lbs / 56.7 Kg > I eat a few nuts pretty much every day..... > > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > more > > info on that. I'm avoiding nuts for the time being. >The Thing is different people are Different. Which is no doubt why she said >High Protein. I cannot eat a snack without some protein component to it [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >This would be why things that work for me don't necessarily work for >everyone, and why WW has two plans..... I'm with you on this. If I snack on fruit or bread I find it difficult to stop. Eating a chicken or fresh tuna salad is far better - for me. Tuna/chicken/turkey salad is good fat free cottage cheese on salad or crispbread maybe? a little chilli on salad instead of rice? I usually have a protein shake mixed up with a banana for breakfast. Not the most appetizing food but it fills me up till lunch. I'm not a snacking type of person unfortunately. Ray Signature2002 1.8i eternal red It's funny cause it totally depend on my day.. today I had a big workout and I can't get satisfied if I don't eat proteines.. and on smoother days.. fruits are just fine.. don't make me hungry.. SignatureWill~ 196.2 / 131.8 / 137 lbs 89 / 59.8 / 62.1 Kg Personal goal 125 lbs / 56.7 Kg > > >The Thing is different people are Different. Which is no doubt why she said [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Ray On 1/24/05 7:01 AM, in article 2nfVqjNxGP9BFwiA@ratbag.demon.co.uk, "Anna H." <anna@ratbag.demon.co.uk> wrote: >>> I am looking for a good snack to bring to school for a mid-morning snack. >>> Here are the requirements: must be high in protein, must not need [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Wierdly, I actually agree with Wysong. Grapes are great...the little green ones...I keep those in the car with me on long drives. One good thing about the braces, I cannot nibble on the sort of sticky little granola bars (even the Wwers ones) anymore so those are off the menu! A whole punnet of cherry tomatoes, zero points. > I am looking for a good snack to bring to school for a mid-morning snack. > Here are the requirements: must be high in protein, must not need [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > judy in fort worth > remove 4 to reply directly hot chocolate you make yourself in a thermos and drink. yogurt, 2 ounces of chicken on one slice of bread, Lee > I am looking for a good snack to bring to school for a mid-morning snack. > Here are the requirements: must be high in protein, must not need [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > judy in fort worth > remove 4 to reply directly |
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