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Danny - 31 Jan 2005 04:10 GMT Hi everyone my name is Danny and I am a 25 year old male from Georgia. I am starting on WW again tommorrow(Monday). I am 6'0" and I weigh about 497 lbs. One of mine main problems is that I have heard a lot of people talk about the importance of exercise but at my current weight I cannot hardly hold out to walk out to the car in the yard. What are some exercises or a website with a workout routine for a severely obese person like myself that I can do until I get in better shape where I can do other exercises. Also I am going to weigh in tommorrow and I will post my official starting weight here. Wish me Luck. Thanks,
God Bless, Danny
Fred - 31 Jan 2005 05:43 GMT Welcome.
Walking is probably about as "easy" to do as anything and no really special equipment is needed besides maybe some cushy but supportive shoes.
Swimming is easy on the joints.
And while exercising should probably be a part of a healthy lifestyle, there are folks in this group who have lost weight without doing much exercise, at least, initially. So don't stress over it initially.
Good luck.
>Hi everyone my name is Danny and I am a 25 year old male from Georgia. I am >starting on WW again tommorrow(Monday). I am 6'0" and I weigh about 497 lbs. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >God Bless, >Danny Ann Marie - 31 Jan 2005 06:07 GMT I agree....walking is probably easiest all around......
Best of luck, Danny! Can't wait to hear about your progress!
I'm a Lifetime member who just re-joined to get back to goal. Originally started at 138, got down to 120, now at ?135?. Weigh in is tomorrow so we shall see....
Ann Marie
> Welcome. > [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] >>God Bless, >>Danny Nathalie W - 02 Feb 2005 21:23 GMT Welcome to you too, Ann Marie!
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> I agree....walking is probably easiest all around...... > [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > >>God Bless, > >>Danny Wysong *~ - 31 Jan 2005 05:44 GMT > Hi everyone my name is Danny and I am a 25 year old male from Georgia. I am > starting on WW again tommorrow(Monday). I am 6'0" and I weigh about 497 lbs. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > to weigh in tommorrow and I will post my official starting weight here. Wish > me Luck. Thanks, ============================== I don't know of any websites but did read about people using their arms with weights or even cans of food - just to move! Cheap weights can be found at Wal-Mart.
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Michelle Guy - 31 Jan 2005 06:01 GMT Hi Danny congrats on thaking the first step to change. Don't over do things to start with. Try finding some websites with chair exercises first and as you lose do something standing build up to walking. Pool exercises are alot less stressful on the joints. Looking forward to reading your progress. Michelle Ozzie in Switzerland 70.4/71/60 Starting again 24.11.04
>Hi everyone my name is Danny and I am a 25 year old male from Georgia. I am >starting on WW again tommorrow(Monday). I am 6'0" and I weigh about 497 lbs. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >God Bless, >Danny Anna H. - 31 Jan 2005 20:38 GMT >Hi Danny congrats on thaking the first step to change. Don't over do >things to start with. Try finding some websites with chair exercises [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >Michelle Ozzie in Switzerland >70.4/71/60 Starting again 24.11.04 Hi, there's a guy on UK's "Celebrity Fit Club" who's about your dimensions - he's a professional darts player but got too heavy even to do that. I've been watching him with interest as I have never seen anyone so heavy on one of these shows, and I've been able to glean the following:
* Stay in close touch with your doctor - yes, you need to lose weight, but your system will be weakened and it's important to get regular check-ups. Particularly blood pressure, pulse and things like blood cholesterol levels.
* Also, check out your thyroid in case that's the reason you're overweight, and you should be screened for obesity-related Type II Diabetes (which can sometimes be cured by losing weight, FYI).
* Ask your doctor if he can help by referring you to an obesity clinic, or by providing physiotherapy to get you safely started on an exercise regime. You may need quite a lot of professional support for your situation, although organisations like WWs can be a great help.
* Don't do any weight training until you are below about 250lbs. The reason is that very heavy people are already "weight training" just by walking and it's easy to over-strain already strained joints.
* Likewise, avoid push-ups, sit-ups and walking up stairs, as this can strain the joints. Running is probably impossible, but don't be tempted to try it just yet.
* Healthy exercises include gentle walking (start with just 5 minutes at first and work up), swimming and in the gym, treadmill, bikes and rowing machines only (low impact, aerobic machines). Chair exercises can be great to get a person going and there are some exercise videos out there specifically for people unable to do standing-up aerobics, and some videos that include chair exercises. Remember: gently does it, but do get moving as it will increase your metabolism.
* 30 minutes exercise, max, at first - you should be working so your pulse goes up a bit, to about 85% capacity (ask in the gym for advice as good trainers should have tables they can look these figures up on). If the gym provides them, use a heart monitor whenever you work out and keep it nice and steady. You'll burn much more fat working in the middle range of intensity - "Going for the Burn" actually risks injury and puts on more muscle (ie more weight) which you really don't need.
* Don't cut your calories too severely at first - a large body requires a large amount of calories just to keep ticking over, so be guided by the WW's charts, or by calorie charts on the Net which can tell you a sensible limit for your weight. As you lose weight, you'll have to cut your diet commensurate with your current weight, but by then your stomach should be shrinking.
* Try to aim for a diet very low in fat, high in fibre and fill yourself up with complex carbs (potatoes, wholemeal bread, pasta, brown rice etc). Eat lots of fruit and veg - you may have to push yourself at first but it'll be worth it because you need to change your eating habits for life, not just for a "diet". WWs is a good basic program, but if not, there are many other suitable programs out there - don't give up if the first doesn't really suit you, but don't go "diet hopping" either.
You'll be pleased to hear that the guy in Celebrity Fit Club has so far lost 16lbs in 3 weeks, and is walking much more comfortably, so he shows it can be done. It's a long journey, but as they say "A journey of a thousand miles starts with a single step".
Good luck on the road.
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Ann Marie - 31 Jan 2005 23:52 GMT I LOVE "Celebrity Fit Club"! There's something fascinating about "celebrities" dealing with problems just like the rest of us!
>>Hi Danny congrats on thaking the first step to change. Don't over do >>things to start with. Try finding some websites with chair exercises [quoted text clipped - 68 lines] > > Good luck on the road. Deb in Northern California - 31 Jan 2005 06:34 GMT Danny,
Welcome to the group. Walking to the car is a start and make it a bit more each time. A few steps more each time will get you on your way. Also there are some exercises that the elderly and wheel chair bound do. I know on our local PBS station, they have the program on early in the mornings. I believe it is called "Sit and Be Fit" here is a link to their website. http://www.sitandbefit.com/
You can buy videos from them or find the series on TV in your area. It does not look like it is available in Georgia, but maybe if you are near an adjacent state it might still be broadcast in your area.
Stick with the program and get yourself to a healthy weight. It will take time, but is well worth the effort.
Debbie 319.4/256/(mini goal 249.4)/150
> Hi everyone my name is Danny and I am a 25 year old male from Georgia. I > am [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > God Bless, > Danny Helen C Simmons - 31 Jan 2005 08:02 GMT > Hi everyone my name is Danny and I am a 25 year old male from Georgia. I > am [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > God Bless, > Danny Firstly, being so overweight, perhaps you should check with your doctor that it's okay for *you* to do WW. I'm not saying that becuase there's anything bad about WW, but being so overweight, it's always a good idea to get a doc's opinion first - just in case there's something underlying in your medical history that needs to be taken account of.
Start off with very gentle exercise. Getting into a swimming pool can be good, as the water supports you, so you have less strain on the body. You might find you can stand in water and exercise a bit easier than on dry land, so to speak. Wet or dry - if you haven't exercised at all or for a long time, you really do need to start off slowly and gently. *Any* exercise level, if you have been doing none previously, is good. Walking is good - just don't expect to do a marathon for a while :-) Do what you can and gradually do a little more.
On the plus side - exercise helps you to lose weight as you burn calories. It also helps to tone you up wonderfully. The WW meeting I go to, I've had people say "You can't weigh that much!" but I do - but I am relatively toned under the flab. There's people who are significantly lighter than me who are a lot more flabby. So keep at the exercise.
Also on the plus side - the more weight you lose, the easier exercise will be.
How about asking your doctor if he/she can advise of appropriate exercises for you or point you in the direction of someone who can?
I don't know if this is of any use - but one thing that is helping me keep motivated and stay on track is to *really* get it into my head that this is *not* a diet - it's a *life choice*. The word 'diet' can imply (in my head, at least) that once you get to the end of it, you can go back to the old ways (and old weighs before too long). I have had to really accept that I am not going to be slim and healthy quite as quickly as I want to be - this is the long-haul. I *understand* this is long-term.
Best of luck to you, Danny.
Cheers, helen s
Miss Violette - 08 May 2005 09:25 GMT One of my major rules for losing weight this time is that I am not going to do anything while I am losing that I cannot commit to for the rest of my life, so I took a long time to decide what to do about exercise and I am glad I did, what I do is not pleasant for me but I can commit to putting up with it because of the benefits, much like water, to me a necessary evil to lose weight, and I already know from experience that if I slack off I WILL gain, Lee
> > Hi everyone my name is Danny and I am a 25 year old male from Georgia. I > > am [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] > > Cheers, helen s Kate Dicey - 31 Jan 2005 09:55 GMT > Hi everyone my name is Danny and I am a 25 year old male from Georgia. I am > starting on WW again tommorrow(Monday). I am 6'0" and I weigh about 497 lbs. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > God Bless, > Danny Hi there, Danny! Be very welcome. This is a fantastic group for support and encouragement. WW is an excellent program, and will help you to eat properly for life once the excess weight has gone.
You have some lovely advice about exercise from other members. I'll just ad my weight (!) those who endorse swimming and pool exercise. It has to be one of the best low stress exercise types about.
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Brenda Hammond - 31 Jan 2005 15:58 GMT Hi Danny. Welcome to the group. If you can't do much in the form of exercise, then at least changing your eating habits will begin to make a difference. As Fred mentioned, there are several people in the group who have lost weight without exercising at all. Once you have lost some of the weight, it will become easier to exercise.
Good luck!
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> Hi everyone my name is Danny and I am a 25 year old male from Georgia. I > am [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > God Bless, > Danny Elaine Kirkham - 31 Jan 2005 19:21 GMT Hi Danny. Welcome aboard this great newsgroup. I know that walking as an exercise will probably be impossible, but you should be able to do some of these exercises while sitting. That is the way I started when I weighed 331.4. While sitting I started by marching in step, resting when I got tired. I just moved my arms around as much as I could. As I lost weight, I found I could lift my legs higher & started to do cross overs with straight legs (still sitting). I also speeded up the marching. By the way, you can also get a type of bicycle that you can use while sitting in a chair and it works quite well. The important thing is to start moving. If you can walk - OK - but no matter what, you must start to move. Also try pulling in your tummy as hard as you can & you can do some arm presses (one against the other). I wish you as much success as I have had in getting a life again. Elaine K 331.4 last time this time 292/270.2/200? (total lost 21.8)
>Hi everyone my name is Danny and I am a 25 year old male from Georgia. I am >starting on WW again tommorrow(Monday). I am 6'0" and I weigh about 497 lbs. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > ray miller - 31 Jan 2005 20:57 GMT >Hi everyone my name is Danny and I am a 25 year old male from Georgia. I am >starting on WW again tommorrow(Monday). I am 6'0" and I weigh about 497 lbs. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >to weigh in tommorrow and I will post my official starting weight here. Wish >me Luck. Thanks, First you must see a doctor - you probably already do. He should be able to advise you on what diet to follow and what exercise might be appropriate.
Swimming is a really good exercise but that might not be possible. Walking is great exercise too if you can do it. If walking to the car is all you can do then do that a couple of times a day and work up from there. Take it slow.
Use www.fitday.com to log a week of your food intake. You should be able to eat about 1000 calories less than your mantenance figure to lose about 2 pounds a week. You could be a bit more aggressive and drop 1500 calories to lose a bit faster.Beware that you are near the top of the scale for most of the calorie calculators so they may not be very accurate for you.
Would weight lifting be possible? You don't have to be very (cardio) fit to do it, and it's really good at burning calories. Heres a couple of really good websites. http://www.exrx.net/Lists/Beginning.html http://www.stumptuous.com/weights.html The second one is for ladies. Forget about that it works just as well for men.
Interestingly I haven't found a single website with advice on what exercises are appropriate for severly obese people. I'm normally pretty good at finding stuff too. There's obviously a gap in the market, or google is having an off day.
Ray
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Anna H. - 31 Jan 2005 23:02 GMT Hi Ray,
>Interestingly I haven't found a single website with advice on what >exercises are appropriate for severly obese people. I'm normally >pretty good at finding stuff too. There's obviously a gap in the >market, or google is having an off day. You can find information aligned to this question in the medical research abstracts, using such terms as "non-surgical treatment for morbid obesity", or "exercise in morbidly obese patients". Mostly to do with the treatment and rehabilitation of such patients following stomach surgery - the outlook for success with just diet and exercise is rather poor (although yearly there are many who achieve just that, with sufficient determination and support).
From such papers I have ascertained that, in the words of one paper
"Morbid obesity [BMI in excess of 30, in a non-body builder] is a complex physiological, physical and psychological disorder that requires expert treatment"
Also, "Morbidly obese patients suffer from limited pulmonary throughput [ability to breathe] even if pulmonary disease is not present"
IOW, if you are morbidly obese, your breathing will be compromised. This obviously limits the exercise you can do and what is safe for you to do.
I also found many statements about joint problems in morbidly obese people, which may be made worse if the patient exercises in a medically unsupervised fashion. For instance, many posters have recommended weight-training, but that is a big no-no for the severely morbidly obese, from what I've read.
So, I feel, from what I've gleaned from various sources, that anyone on this group with a BMI over 30-40 (depending on gender), particularly if it's a *lot* over 40, should be consulting heavily with their doctor and preferably be getting the support of a specialist obesity clinic. I worry that any advice we give, including the advice I've given, may not be correct, and given that this is a "very complex medical condition", maybe the best thing we can do is to encourage people to work with their doctors?
And then we can be behind them with 110% enthusiasm and support and help them avoid dangerous surgery.
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Laura - 01 Feb 2005 01:30 GMT Anna,
Please do us a big favor and never disappear from this group again. I really missed your informative posts while you were MIA. I have learned so much in the short time you have been back.
Laura
> Hi Ray, > >Interestingly I haven't found a single website with advice on what [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > And then we can be behind them with 110% enthusiasm and support and help > them avoid dangerous surgery. cynlyn - 01 Feb 2005 02:58 GMT Nice to meet you, Danny! I just started WW again myself recently, so I know you're making an important first step. I'm not exercising at all right now, but I know I'll add some to my routine down the road, especially as I shed a few more lbs. and get to feeling better. For now, I find it's enough for me to just get back on a healthy food plan, and I'm trying to make one lifestyle change at a time to ensure my success. But, I do agree with others that walking is a great way to start out (but you might also want to check with your doctor before starting any new exercise routine).
All the best to you, Danny..........
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> Hi everyone my name is Danny and I am a 25 year old male from Georgia. I > am [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > God Bless, > Danny JulieB - 01 Feb 2005 20:16 GMT Hi Danny and welcome. I echo the others who said that you should probably see your doctor before starting any sort of exercise program. Also, I managed to lose weight OK without exercise before motivating myself enough to get out there and start walking. It is possible to start by just limiting you food intake until you get to a weight where exercise becomes more comfortable.
I hope you stick around and let us know how you go! Here's our welcome notice to get you started too.
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How many points you can eat is only based on your current weight, as you lose weight those points allowed will decrease (logic is that your body will need less to operate). At 183 pounds and based on the new US flexpoints system, you will have a set point target of 24. In addition to this you are allowed 35 flexpoints to be used throughout the week ... as well as any activity points you earn on a particular day. When your weight drops to 175, your target drops to 22 points ... weight reaches 150, target once again drop to 20 points. 3 servings of dairy of recommended per day, 5 servings of fruit and veggies, minimum of 6 glasses of water.
To calculate food and activity points, I love this computer desktop calculator ... http://www.zythra.com/downloads/points.exe
The basic plan is easy. Eat at least your minimum daily number of points. Points do not carry over from day to day. You are allotted 35 weekly flexpoints to be used at your discretion ... can divide them up and use daily (would be an additional 5 points per day) or save them and use them for a special occassion during the week. Activity points are earned based when exercising, but can ONLY be used on the day they are earned.
If you can afford $15/month, the online ww program might be a great thing for you to look into. There is lots of information available, as well as the food point database and journaling system.
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> Hi everyone my name is Danny and I am a 25 year old male from Georgia. I > am [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > God Bless, > Danny Nathalie W - 02 Feb 2005 21:23 GMT Hello Danny and welcome! I wish you all the luck. Do not worry too much about exercise at this stage. It will get better in a while, I promise!
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> Hi everyone my name is Danny and I am a 25 year old male from Georgia. I am > starting on WW again tommorrow(Monday). I am 6'0" and I weigh about 497 lbs. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > God Bless, > Danny Kristin - 05 Feb 2005 21:04 GMT Hi Danny, I see you've gotten a ton of responses but I just wanted to welcome you and wish you good luck on WW!
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> Hi everyone my name is Danny and I am a 25 year old male from Georgia. I > am [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > God Bless, > Danny for.arts.sake@sympatico.ca - 05 Feb 2005 22:54 GMT >Hi Danny, I see you've gotten a ton of responses but I just wanted to >welcome you and wish you good luck on WW! Same here.
>~Kristin >285.2/277.8/164 [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >> out >> to walk out to the car in the yard. Well, then, start there. The next time you walk out to the car, allow some extra time, and then do it again. take a cane or walker with you for support.
How about getting one of those exercise pedallers designed for the elderly? You can sit, and spend (at first) ten, then fifteen, and then twenty minutes pedalling. Any little thing will help at the beginning.
What about seated, stationary light weight training? <rest snipped>
Shirley Hicks Toronto, Ontario
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