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A 'Nutritional Meal in a Glass'
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Gareth - 14 Feb 2005 16:15 GMT Hello Folks,
I was introduced to something called Herbalife about 6 months ago as a business opportunity. I thought that the main Herbalife product was just another slimming drink I'm a sceptical person by nature and didn't take it too seriously. I'm not a salesman, so I can't just SELL products. I wanted to find something that I believe in and distribute it.
Being slim, I didn't need to lose any weight. I wasn't getting the nutrition that I needed on a mostly vegetarian diet. What I did need to do is supplement my nutrition and gain some energy. I had become very lethargic. So after much procrastination, I met up with some distributors, met some product users (in fact most distibutors are also product users) and tried the products for myself.
Imagine the scenario. I am the worlds worst cook. I hate cooking, full stop. Somebody hands me a carton and says "You can mix this with some half-fat milk and you have a nutritional meal." I'm in heaven. Two days afer starting my program I was full of energy. I found myself running up the stairs, something that I hadn't done for a while.
So this is a weight-watchers newsgroup. Most people want to LOSE weight, why am I talking about GAINING weight? This is the point. What I want to reach, the same as most of the readers of this group, is my IDEAL weight ... and then stay there.
I've recently met many people from the other end of the spectrum, those who are overweight. Each person has a story to tell. But what tells the clearest stories, are their 'before and after' photographs. A picture really does paint a thousand words.
So what about this Herbalife 'stuff'? As the name suggests, Herbalife products are created from totally natural herbal ingredients and produced in an ethical manner (this is important issue for me). The best selling product is called Formula 1 and is, as I mentioned, a meal in a glass. This has all the nutrients of a good healthy meal. Formula 1 can be supplemented with Protein powder. The amount is tailored to your desired BMI (Body Mass Index). This is why it can be used for losing, gaining OR maintaining weight. People on a weight-loss program usually have two shakes per day (normally replacing breakfast and lunch) with a healthy meal for dinner. The protein powder consists of Soy protein (for building muscle fibres) and whey protein. It's the whey protein that keeps the hunger pangs away. Although some people do use our snack products between meals.
For me, maintaining my weight and energy level (!) I have 1 shake per day, usually at lunchtime. I can't say enough about this. Apart from feeding your body, it also feeds your mind. I am far more alert than I was before using Herbalife products. And the taste. These drinks taste great (Vanilla, Chocolate, Strawberry, Tropical Fruit, Cappuccino). How can something that tastes so good be so good. One pack normally lasts 3 - 4 weeks (depending on your intake of course) and works out at less than the cost of a sandwich per day. A nutritious meal for the price of a cheese sandwich.
But enough from me for now. I'm not going to push, but if you really want to manage your weight, all the information that you need is below. But before I go, ask yourself "Why did so many product users become distributors?". The answer is, because they totally believe in what they use, and they want to share it.
Take a look at www.herbalife.com and select Shapeworks to see the weight-management programs. Also take a look at http://www.havealook.org/1234/retail_warm/default.asp?distid=07197882 for some testimonials. If you want to give me a call you can do so on 07986 344413. I'm in Britain, if you live across and ocean and don't want to phone me, you can email me on gareth.herbalife@ntlworld.com If you are thinking about buying some of these amazing products but are worrying about delivery from Britain, don't. We are in 60 countries and will despatch your order from your nearest point.
Thanks for reading, and good luck. Gareth
Willow - 14 Feb 2005 17:22 GMT That's a lot of writting for something nobody will read...
Keep on keeping on !
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> Hello Folks, > [quoted text clipped - 70 lines] > Thanks for reading, and good luck. > Gareth Gareth - 15 Feb 2005 11:57 GMT It's so easy to post to a hundred newsgroups with a URL for something that you know nothing about but just want to make money from. I could have done that but I supplied you with some genuine information regarding something that I believe in. You can either take it or leave it. If you are happy with your weight and couldn't care less about people who have changed their lives, that's entirely up to you. You must be so content.
Gareth
> That's a lot of writting for something nobody will read... > [quoted text clipped - 94 lines] > > Thanks for reading, and good luck. > > Gareth nck - 15 Feb 2005 14:20 GMT On 2/15/05 5:57 AM, in article pslQd.76$e03.46@newsfe2-win.ntli.net,
> It's so easy to post to a hundred newsgroups with a URL for something that > you know nothing about but just want to make money from. I could have done [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Gareth Oh my, aren't we righteously offended, though. Naff off, Gareth. That stuff is garbage and you know darn well it's garbage and you are out to make a buck ( or a quid)
Gareth - 15 Feb 2005 15:49 GMT Dear dear, we are a sensitive lot aren't we.
Look, there are many ways to 'make a quick buck' & I can assure you that this isn't one of them.
I'm not ramming anything down anyone's throat, I was simply offerring the choice to select a product with which many people have had success. If you don't want to use it, then don't. Move on.
I cannot imagine offering this information in a paper advertisement and receiving so much hassle. What is it about this newsgroup anyway, why so much hostility? I've read so much here about people whining about their weight and I offer what I believe is a solution ... and I would not offer something that I think is 'garbage'. I have seen great results from many people who are now very happy with their weight. If you want to continue rotting here in self-pity that's up to you.
> On 2/15/05 5:57 AM, in article pslQd.76$e03.46@newsfe2-win.ntli.net, > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Naff off, Gareth. That stuff is garbage and you know darn well it's garbage > and you are out to make a buck ( or a quid) ray miller - 15 Feb 2005 17:50 GMT >I've read so much here about people whining about their >weight and I offer what I believe is a solution OK - you've done the research and you think it's a solution to weight loss. You post the peer reviewed articles that support your proposition and I'll look at them - till then you are a spammer
Ray
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Lynne - 15 Feb 2005 18:36 GMT Does your ISP know about your 'helpful' information? You're smart enough to word your message in such a way to not look like a sales pitch. A rose by any other name...
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>Dear dear, we are a sensitive lot aren't we. > [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] >garbage >> and you are out to make a buck ( or a quid) ray miller - 14 Feb 2005 17:53 GMT >I'm not a salesman ...but i'm trying very hard to become one...
Ray
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Gareth - 15 Feb 2005 11:49 GMT I gave you a lot of information there Ray, rather than just hit you with a website and lots of blah blah. If I was ONLY concerned with making money, there are many other unethical ways to do so. If you don't want the information I supplied, that's your choice. You keep your head up your @rse and keep on plodding on.
Gareth
> >I'm not a salesman > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > -- > 2002 1.8i eternal red Anna H. - 15 Feb 2005 14:02 GMT >I gave you a lot of information there Ray, rather than just hit you with a >website and lots of blah blah. If I was ONLY concerned with making money, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Gareth This snake oil has been discredited by so many consumer programs and prosecuted so many times by Trading Standards, I'm amazed it's still going. It's like acne - you think it's eradicated and then you have a bad month and it pops up again.
If you were really concerned with ethics, you'd support people losing weight healthily and sensibly, not selling them expensive junk.
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Gareth - 15 Feb 2005 16:01 GMT Anna,
So you've had personal experience with Herbalife products ... or snake oil as you prefer to call it?
I'm interested to hear more regarding the Consumer Programs and Trading Standards. Why this reaction to the products? Can products that adhere to laws in 60 countries Worldwide really be so bad?
Do you really consider a healthy shake for the price of a can of 'bubbly brown sugar water' to be expensive?
This is the first non-personal, sensible response I've had to the post in this group. I've done a lot of research, but I'd be curious to hear more.
> >I gave you a lot of information there Ray, rather than just hit you with a > >website and lots of blah blah. If I was ONLY concerned with making money, [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Goal Weight: 146 lbs > Current Weight: 163 lbs Anna H. - 15 Feb 2005 18:33 GMT Gareth,
>So you've had personal experience with Herbalife products ... or snake oil >as you prefer to call it? If I had and it was a bad experience, and said so, I could get sued for libel, regardless of the truth of the matter. If I hadn't, and said something negative, I could still get sued as there's no such thing as free speech for the little guy.
Haven't you read about the "McLibel" case? Couple of people criticised a certain fast food company and got sued, but under UK law they received no legal aid so were unable to defend themselves properly. The fast food company, OTOH, had millions and were able to employ the best. They won but the bigger "victory" (and bigger injustice) was caused by their ability to keep the case running for over a decade, thus destroying the lives of their "victims".
The supposed victims have now successfully sued the UK government for denial of free speech, but they're never going to get back the 15 odd years they've wasted fighting this case.
I know of a similar case regarding a person who criticised a famous pet store brand.
So I'm afraid I'm not going to answer your questions, and anyone with any sense is not going to answer your questions.
>I'm interested to hear more regarding the Consumer Programs and Trading >Standards. Why this reaction to the products? Can products that adhere to >laws in 60 countries Worldwide really be so bad? Tobacco's sold in more countries, perfectly legally.
>Do you really consider a healthy shake for the price of a can of 'bubbly >brown sugar water' to be expensive? I'd dispute your use of the word "healthy".
>This is the first non-personal, sensible response I've had to the post in >this group. I've done a lot of research, but I'd be curious to hear more. Researching such a thing is well-nigh impossible, since very few people would be prepared to risk a libel suit to state their true opinions.
All of the major search engines rank sites not just according to relevance, but also according to who is paying them to be ranked. There are suggestions they omit sites that may be deleterious to their sponsors. Search engines are not independent.
What I can suggest is that you ask your employer for the scientific evidence on which they base their claims - *independent* scientific evidence. I could be mistaken, but you will probably find there isn't any. Anecdotal evidence does not count as there is a strong placebo effect with anything like this.
Your employer are a Multi-level Marketing Company (MLM). This is similar to a pyramid scheme in that the big boss sells to the middle guy, who sells to the smaller guy, who sells to everyone he knows. The only difference is that with a pyramid scheme, there is no actual product and with an MLM there is a product. Pyramid schemes are illegal in UK, which is possibly why Trading Standards and the various consumer shows may have investigated.
MLM schemes are legal in UK, and most other parts of the world, but are they wise?
Here's a few links: MLM Watch, Herbalife section: http://www.mlmwatch.org/04C/Herbalife/herbalife00.html http://www.mlmwatch.org/04C/Herbalife/herbalife04.html
Rick Ross Institute's articles on Herbalife. http://www.rickross.com/groups/herbalife.html
"10 Big Lies of MLM": http://www.mlmwatch.org/01General/10lies.html
"Multilevel Marketing of Health Products": http://www.ncahf.org/pp/mlm.html
MLM Survivors site: http://www.mlmsurvivor.com/
Appropriate Use of Dietary Supplements: http://www.quackwatch.org/03HealthPromotion/supplements.html
I can recommend the Quackwatch site for other medical/health related things.
Disclaimer: All of these links state the opinions of others re. Herbalife and are not necessarily my opinion.
I am posting them in reply to your question just in case you are genuine. FYI, this is a newsgroup for people following the Weight Watchers program or interested in the WW's program.
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wafflycat - 15 Feb 2005 16:29 GMT > This snake oil has been discredited by so many consumer programs and > prosecuted so many times by Trading Standards, I'm amazed it's still > going. It's like acne - you think it's eradicated and then you have a bad > month and it pops up again. Is Gareth's little product the one which Sam Fox was involved in with Peter Foster years ago, which was *massively* discredited on national media over here in the UK?
> If you were really concerned with ethics, you'd support people losing > weight healthily and sensibly, not selling them expensive junk. Quite. A spammer is a spammer. I've killfiled him.
Anna H. - 16 Feb 2005 12:26 GMT Hi Waffley,
>> This snake oil has been discredited by so many consumer programs and >> prosecuted so many times by Trading Standards, I'm amazed it's still [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >Foster years ago, which was *massively* discredited on national media over >here in the UK? No, that was a kind of tea. This product is a total meal replacement system ie. Kind of along the same lines as Slimfast, only you replace *every* meal with a drink, not just two meals a day. It is extremely low calorie, compensated for, the makers claim, by the fact that it contains a lot of vitamins and minerals.
Do you remember the "Cambridge Diet" from a few years ago? That was a similar type of system, except that was even lower calorie: 400-500 calories per day. That's what I mean about these systems being as pervasive as acne.
They do use a total meal replacement system in some obesity clinics - usually for people who are going to die unless they lose weight fast, but in general it's not considered a good idea - there are major health concerns about very low calorie diets of any kind, plus these "diets" don't actually retrain the eating habits that got you into obesity in the first place. So such diets could be actively encouraging yo-yo'ing, rather than being a way of life, because as soon as you go back to real food, you could over-eat. Depriving yourself has never been a good strategy for modifying any behaviour - sooner or later, you'll rebel and then it's even harder to get back OP. We know how hard it is doing a sensible program like WWs - but at least we can eat proper food!
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wafflycat - 16 Feb 2005 12:48 GMT > Hi Waffley, >>> This snake oil has been discredited by so many consumer programs and [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > calorie, compensated for, the makers claim, by the fact that it contains a > lot of vitamins and minerals. Indeed it was. I *loathe* "diets" that are meal replacement and/or rely on a lot of pre-prepared stuff you are expected to buy. Successful weight loss over the long term and then keeping it off really means a person *needs* to understand about healthy eating and be able to produce healthy meals for themselves. The meal replacement things are the spawn of satan as far as I'm concerned ;-) All they teach is reliance on processed food.
> Do you remember the "Cambridge Diet" from a few years ago? That was a > similar type of system, except that was even lower calorie: 400-500 > calories per day. That's what I mean about these systems being as > pervasive as acne. No doubt it'll resurface at some time or other.
Cheers, helen s
ray miller - 16 Feb 2005 18:18 GMT >They do use a total meal replacement system in some obesity clinics - >usually for people who are going to die unless they lose weight fast, >but in general it's not considered a good idea - there are major health >concerns about very low calorie diets of any kind, plus these "diets" >don't actually retrain the eating habits that got you into obesity in >the first place. AIUI the diets used in obesity clinics are virtually all protein, and nothing like herbalife. They are also carried out under medical supervision.
Interestingly not only is it contraversial for weight loss it also uses MLM techniques which are also contraversial. http://www.mlmwatch.org/04C/Herbalife/niteworks.html
and a lawsuit http://www.rickross.com/reference/herbalife/herbalife_lawsuit.html
and a review http://www.thedietchannel.com/Herbalife-diet.htm
real life experiences http://personalpages.tds.net/~richbirr/herbalife.htm
ray
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ray miller - 15 Feb 2005 17:47 GMT >I gave you a lot of information there Ray, rather than just hit you with a >website and lots of blah blah. If I was ONLY concerned with making money, >there are many other unethical ways to do so. If you don't want the >information I supplied, that's your choice. You keep your head up your @rse >and keep on plodding on. Not interested in your views spammer
Ray
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Gareth - 15 Feb 2005 18:20 GMT If you're not interested in other views Ray, you should set up another newsgroup called alt.ray.alone and post messages to yourself, then you will always find someone who agrees with you ... or then again, maybe not.
spammer
n : someone who sends unwanted email (often in bulk)
I get genuine spam every day and either block it or delete it. This was ... initially ... a very relevant topic that I posted to all of, hmmm, 4 groups. It's really so easy. if you don't want to read, then don't.
'The Spammer'
> >I gave you a lot of information there Ray, rather than just hit you with a > >website and lots of blah blah. If I was ONLY concerned with making money, [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > -- > 2002 1.8i eternal red Laura - 15 Feb 2005 18:47 GMT The majority of the members of this newsgroup have decided that the appropriate way of losing weight is to change their eating habits and not rely of quick fixes in the form of pills or shakes. Your message is unwanted and a waste your your time and energy. It is SPAM!
Go away spammer.
Or do we have to report you to your ISP's abuse desk?
> spammer > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > 'The Spammer' Willow - 15 Feb 2005 22:48 GMT I just love it when someone spams, try to make it look like they don't.. and then get pissed when they are being told that they do..
This guy takes it even further tho.. pursuing it and posting again.. "From spam to trolling in half a lesson"
That'd make a good book or something..
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Personal goal 125 lbs / 56.7 Kg
> The majority of the members of this newsgroup have decided that the > appropriate way of losing weight is to change their eating habits and not [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > > > 'The Spammer' Laura - 15 Feb 2005 23:14 GMT Spammers are clueless and so are trolls. ;-)
> I just love it when someone spams, try to make it look like they don't.. and > then get pissed when they are being told that they do.. [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > > > > > 'The Spammer' Gareth - 16 Feb 2005 01:00 GMT I'm sat here in amazement. This 'discussion' left the realms of reality a long time ago.
It was never the intention to sell you a miracle cure that you could drink and wake up the next morning your desired weight. I was offering a meal supplement while you diet slowly and sensibly, using products that I have learned about, not created. If you are not interested, don't read. If you see information in a paper or shop-window that you don't like, do you phone the number and insult them? No, because facing people in real life is harder for some, whereas this newsgroup seems to be a place to vent your frustration.
I'm hiding nothing from my ISP. Hey, I supplied so much information I all but beat a path to my front door. If it makes you little newsgroup police officers feel better about yourself, go ahead and report the post, you will find that most offensive material came from you lot. The only constructive response that I have had is from Anna H., which led me to do more research. The rest of you couldn't manage more than a couple of lines of name-calling. Call yourself adults?
I wish I could say that it's been fun but, well, I'm still shaking my head in disbelief. As Willow informed me earlier, this is a waste of my time and energy and I really do have better things to do.
So I'll leave you all in your tight little group to wallow in self-pity and whine some more.
Bye bye.
> Spammers are clueless and so are trolls. ;-) > [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > > > > > > > 'The Spammer' nck - 16 Feb 2005 03:49 GMT On 2/15/05 7:00 PM, in article 8XwQd.61$or.13@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net, "Gareth" <gareth.news@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> I'm sat here in amazement. This 'discussion' left the realms of reality a > long time ago. You are in serious need of some basic English classes.
Willow - 16 Feb 2005 06:28 GMT I learned a new word this week, "sticktoitiveness" you're a pro !
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Personal goal 125 lbs / 56.7 Kg
> I'm sat here in amazement. This 'discussion' left the realms of reality a > long time ago. [quoted text clipped - 66 lines] > > > > > > > > > > 'The Spammer' nck - 17 Feb 2005 05:32 GMT On 2/15/05 7:00 PM, in article 8XwQd.61$or.13@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net, "Gareth" <gareth.news@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> So I'll leave you all in your tight little group to wallow in self-pity and > whine some more. > > Bye bye. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
Willow - 17 Feb 2005 05:54 GMT Self pity ? and there I felt bad for bragging all the time ! ;op
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Personal goal 125 lbs / 56.7 Kg
> On 2/15/05 7:00 PM, in article 8XwQd.61$or.13@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net, "Gareth" > <gareth.news@ntlworld.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Bye bye. > Don't let the door hit you on the way out. Amberle3 - 16 Feb 2005 01:04 GMT You might want to review the Terms and Conditions you have with your ISP. This is straight from the TOS:
E. You will not: 11. send or provide any unsolicited advertising or other promotional material, commonly referred to as "spam" by email, webmail or by any other electronic means;
This is advertising, it is unsolicited, and it has been sent by electronic means. Therefore it is SPAM. And yes, it has been reported to your ISP.
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> If you're not interested in other views Ray, you should set up another > newsgroup called alt.ray.alone and post messages to yourself, then you [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] >> -- >> 2002 1.8i eternal red Willow - 15 Feb 2005 18:41 GMT Woooaaa quite a saleman..
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196.2 / 131.8 / 137 lbs 89 / 59.8 / 62.1 Kg
Personal goal 125 lbs / 56.7 Kg
> I gave you a lot of information there Ray, rather than just hit you with a > website and lots of blah blah. If I was ONLY concerned with making money, [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > -- > > 2002 1.8i eternal red Anna H. - 15 Feb 2005 19:05 GMT >Woooaaa quite a saleman.. My friend said the words "We are Borg. You will be assimilated" popped into her mind when she read the original post. Funny that.
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"The revolutionary new diet pill that turns body fat into Rolex watches" - Dilbert Online
Willow - 15 Feb 2005 22:46 GMT *grin*
 Signature Will~
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Personal goal 125 lbs / 56.7 Kg
> >Woooaaa quite a saleman.. > > > My friend said the words "We are Borg. You will be assimilated" popped > into her mind when she read the original post. Funny that. Lipgloss Junkie - 16 Feb 2005 06:59 GMT This has been a fun thread to read...at the orginal poster's expense.
If that guy had spent any amount of time (and had 1/2 a brain) he would have anticipated the reaction he got. Geez. The last thing any of us needs is some meal-in-a -glass. Who wants to drink their points? Not me.
There's no magic bullet. And I refuse to spend any more time or money trying to find it.
Melanie
ray miller - 16 Feb 2005 12:05 GMT >This has been a fun thread to read...at the orginal poster's expense. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >There's no magic bullet. And I refuse to spend any more time or money >trying to find it. Well said :)
Ray
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Laura - 16 Feb 2005 18:01 GMT > This has been a fun thread to read...at the orginal poster's expense. > > If that guy had spent any amount of time (and had 1/2 a brain) he would > have anticipated the reaction he got. Geez. The last thing any of us > needs is some meal-in-a -glass. Who wants to drink their points? Not > me. Your last comment reminds me about the time mom asked me if I stopped drinking. I was never really a drinker to begin with so it was very easy to give up the 5pm glass of wine (or 2) with her *every day* that she enjoys so much. My response was that I'd rather EAT my points than DRINK it. I'm not sure if she understood or not.
> There's no magic bullet. And I refuse to spend any more time or money > trying to find it. Well said. WW is working just fine on normal food.
Brian - 16 Feb 2005 19:31 GMT Okay, so that's abuse at ntlworld.com, abuse at virgin.net, also also abuse at hotchilli.com (the host of havealook.org, which is allowing its members to spam and doesn't have a registered abuse address). Not to mention the spam and viruses the poster will get for posting with a real email address. Don't forget to include the headers as I have pasted them below.
As you tried to explain, you think spam is only bulk messages. There is also UCE, which is unsolicited commercial postings. So this is still spam and I'm sure those who are providing your services will not take well to it.
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> Hello Folks, > [quoted text clipped - 70 lines] > Thanks for reading, and good luck. > Gareth usenet69@hotmail.com - 16 Feb 2005 21:37 GMT Yeah, you need to be capable of the discipline it takes to prepare your own healthy foods.
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