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Omega three
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Violet Frank - 15 Feb 2005 19:57 GMT I suddenly feel like everywhere I turn people are encouraging me to eat more Omega three. Not to be ignorant, but isn't that the thing they needed to activate on the movie Galaxy Quest that jumps time back 13 seconds? But seriously, I know sardines are high in Omega three, but yuck! Can't deal with it. Also olives. That sounds good. But what are the supposed benefits of Omega three and what other ways can I add it to my diet? TIA
Laura - 15 Feb 2005 20:12 GMT This site will give you some more info:
http://www.mercola.com/article/omega3.htm: You want to increase your overall health and energy level. You want to prevent heart disease, cancer, depression and Alzheimer's. Perhaps you also want to treat rheumatoid arthritis, diabetes, ulcerative colitis, Raynaud's disease and a host of other diseases. One of the most important things you can do for all of these is increase your intake of the omega-3 fats found in fish oil and cod liver oil, and reduce your intake of omega-6 fats. These two types of fat, omega-3 and omega-6, are both essential for human health. However, the typical American consumes far too many omega-6 fats in their diet while consuming very low levels of omega-3. The ideal ratio of omega-6 to omega-3 fats is 1:1. Our ancestors evolved over millions of years on this ratio. Today, though, our ratio of omega-6 to omega-3 averages from 20:1 to 50:1! That spells serious danger for you, and as is now (finally!) being reported throughout even the mainstream health media, lack of omega-3 from fish oil is one of the most serious health issues plaguing contemporary society.
The primary sources of omega-6 are corn, soy, canola, safflower and sunflower oil; these oils are overabundant in the typical diet, which explains our excess omega-6 levels. Avoid or limit these oils. Omega-3, meanwhile, is typically found in flaxseed oil, walnut oil, and fish.
By far, the best type of omega-3 fats are those found in that last category, fish. That's because the omega-3 in fish is high in two fatty acids crucial to human health, DHA and EPA. These two fatty acids are pivotal in preventing heart disease, cancer, and many other diseases. The human brain is also highly dependent on DHA - low DHA levels have been linked to depression, schizophrenia, memory loss, and a higher risk of developing Alzheimer's. Researchers are now also linking inadequate intake of these omega-3 fats in pregnant women to premature birth and low birth weight, and to hyperactivity in children.
******* I did not know about omega-6 oils. WW considers canola, safflower and sunflower oil to be healthy oils and we are supposed to have 2 teaspoons of these or flaxseed oil a day. I guess I am going to switch to flaxseed. I already take flaxseed capsule and will switch my salad oil from canola to flaxseed as well. I wonder what type of fat olive oil is??
> I suddenly feel like everywhere I turn people are encouraging me to eat > more Omega three. Not to be ignorant, but isn't that the thing they [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > my diet? > TIA JulieB - 16 Feb 2005 20:04 GMT >> flaxseed as well. I wonder what type of fat olive oil is?? Olive oil is monounsaturated. It doesn't contain any of the Omega fats. It's certainly better than butter or lard though!
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cloud dreamer - 15 Feb 2005 20:27 GMT Try this site for some general information:
http://www.wholehealthmd.com/refshelf/substances_view/1,1525,992,00.html
I take it because I know the Omega 3 that I get from my diet is greatly outweighed by the Omega 6 so I need to supplement - in some cases, people get 20 to 50 times the Omega 6 they need. The benefits seem to be numerous and there are no known side effects or interactions (although one site listed that arthritic pain might worsen for a short time - which happened in my case).
Omega 3 has also been recently been found to be beneficial against alzheimers (which is in my family).
The oil in these capsules is not a replacement for the two oil points.
Also, if you take cod liver oil you have to be wary of vitamin D toxicity during the summer months (or year round if you're in a warm, sunny location). If you receive adequate sun exposure, try to use another fish oil other than cod liver oil.
A lot of fish today are also contaminated with mercury. The supplement I take (Webber) uses anchovy, sardine and mackeral. Sardines are considered safe and I couldn't find the other two on a list of unsafe fish.
You need only google omega 3 and you'll find a wealth of information about the capsules or foods that contain it.
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> I suddenly feel like everywhere I turn people are encouraging me to eat > more Omega three. Not to be ignorant, but isn't that the thing they [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > my diet? > TIA ray miller - 16 Feb 2005 11:59 GMT >I suddenly feel like everywhere I turn people are encouraging me to eat >more Omega three. Not to be ignorant, but isn't that the thing they [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >the supposed benefits of Omega three and what other ways can I add it to >my diet? The other two posts have provided lots of detail. Practically, you can do worse than take 6*100gm fish oil capsules every day. May not be ideal, but it's cheap.
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thorn - 16 Feb 2005 20:59 GMT I suddenly feel like everywhere I turn people are encouraging me to eat more Omega three. Not to be ignorant, but isn't that the thing they needed to activate on the movie Galaxy Quest that jumps time back 13 seconds? But seriously, I know sardines are high in Omega three, but yuck! Can't deal with it. Also olives. That sounds good. But what are the supposed benefits of Omega three and what other ways can I add it to my diet? TIA
The Omega-3 fatty acids are extremely important in our diets. In recent years they've been given more press--probably to counteract the low-low-fat diet practices espoused by Pritikin, Ornish, and McDougall--and rightly so.
The primary sources are fatty fish, many more than simply sardines, so if you eat salmon, mackerel, herring (among others) you can avoid the sardines you dislike. Plant-based sources are flaxseed, walnuts, and purslane (an herb in Italian cooking; a weed in America!); soybeans are a less reliable source.
Olives are NOT a source of omega-3s. They are a major source of omega-9 fatty acids, usually referred to as monounsaturated fat. I recommend them and their oil for that reason (and their taste!) but not for the omega-3s.
Good info on omega-3s may be found in *Low-Fat Lies* and *The Omega Diet.* Check your library!
Best wishes, thorn
Anna H. - 19 Feb 2005 20:27 GMT >The Omega-3 fatty acids are extremely important in our diets. In recent >years they've been given more press--probably to counteract the [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >Good info on omega-3s may be found in *Low-Fat Lies* and *The Omega >Diet.* Check your library! I wouldn't like you to leave people with the impression that there is something wrong with a low-fat diet. There isn't. Human beings need very little in the way of fats and oils - principally the omega 3 and omega 6 oils.
A sensible low fat diet (such as the one I'm on) allows up to 5% fat for most food, except oily fish (a portion a week) and occasional nuts (which I'm allergic to, so that's a moot point).
WW's of course is another low fat diet.
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Anna H. - 19 Feb 2005 20:31 GMT >I suddenly feel like everywhere I turn people are encouraging me to eat >more Omega three. Not to be ignorant, but isn't that the thing they [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >my diet? >TIA Take capsules, that's what I do, although I do love peppered mackerel fillets and roll-mop herrings. You don't need that much for a healthy lifestyle, and the body can store them, unlike vitamins like vitamin C, which you need to eat daily for health.
Omega 3's are almost exclusively found in oily fish. That includes mackerel, herring (including kippers), sardines, sprats, whiting and salmon. There may be some obscure vegetarian sources I don't know about.
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thorn - 20 Feb 2005 15:36 GMT Omega 3's are almost exclusively found in oily fish. That includes mackerel, herring (including kippers), sardines, sprats, whiting and salmon. There may be some obscure vegetarian sources I don't know about. *****
>Good info on omega-3s may be found in *Low-Fat Lies* and *The Omega >Diet.* Check your library! I wouldn't like you to leave people with the impression that there is something wrong with a low-fat diet. There isn't. Human beings need very little in the way of fats and oils - principally the omega 3 and omega 6 oils.
A sensible low fat diet (such as the one I'm on) allows up to 5% fat for most food, except oily fish (a portion a week) and occasional nuts (which I'm allergic to, so that's a moot point).
WW's of course is another low fat diet.
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Anna--
First: Walnuts, flax seed, and flax seed oil are hardly "obscure" sources.
Second: WW is *not* a low-fat diet. It is a moderate-fat diet; WW nutritionists wisely base their recommendations on the fact that truly low-fat diets (10% fat or less) can cause problems with triglycerides, HDL, skin, and the gall bladder. The two books I mentioned have fat levels in line with WW recommendations, and I suggested them because they deal specifically with the importance of essential oils in our diet. I hope the original poster (and anyone else confused about the omega-3 issue) will take the time to consult these sources and not simply reject them out of hand as you did--apparently because of their titles.
I find it hard to believe that you're on a 5% fat diet. But if you are, you are (1) headed for some health problems and (2) not really in compliance with WW standards.
Best wishes, thorn
Laura - 20 Feb 2005 16:43 GMT > Omega 3's are almost exclusively found in oily fish. That includes > mackerel, herring (including kippers), sardines, sprats, whiting and [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > the time to consult these sources and not simply reject them out of hand as > you did--apparently because of their titles. Thorn,
The new Core plan is probably closer to a low fat diet than you think. You must have FF dairy and lean meats, chicken and fish. For me, 2 teaspoons of healthy oil were not enough additional fat in my diet. I've been back on flex for 2 weeks and I can see the difference in my skin already because I have added some much needed fat back into my diet.
> I find it hard to believe that you're on a 5% fat diet. But if you are, you > are (1) headed for some health problems and (2) not really in compliance > with WW standards. Ann has never said that she was following the ww plan.
Anna H. - 20 Feb 2005 21:57 GMT >> I find it hard to believe that you're on a 5% fat diet. But if you are, >you >> are (1) headed for some health problems and (2) not really in compliance >> with WW standards. > >Ann has never said that she was following the ww plan. And incidentally, I have health problems and that's *why* I'm on the program I am. I am not an idiot and I do check things out. FWIW, my skin's never been better - I think it's the large amounts of fruit and veg I'm eating.
The other day I had a meal including some friend dim sun and I was in *agony* for the next 24 hours. So much for fat being healthy. I also have trouble with oily fish, although I can just about cope with the minimum required. I also take starflower oil, which is omega 6 (supposed to be good for menopausal problems), when I remember.
I've so far lost 11 lbs and am no longer medically overweight, so the proof is in the pudding, as they say ;)
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Anna H. - 20 Feb 2005 21:53 GMT Thorn,
> First: Walnuts, flax seed, and flax seed oil are hardly "obscure" > sources. They are in the British diet - walnuts, possibly not, but as I mentioned, I'm allergic to them. Flax isn't even called flax in UK, it's called linseed and is only available in some healthfood shops. I don't know *anyone* who incorporates linseed into their diet as a routine. OTOH, the British diet probably includes a lot more oily fish than the typical US diet.
> I find it hard to believe that you're on a 5% fat diet. But if you are, you > are (1) headed for some health problems and (2) not really in > compliance with WW standards. I am not doing WW's, I'm doing a different program *recommended by my doctor*. There is absolutely nothing wrong with eating 5% fat or less, with the exception of fish and some other sources (such as nuts, if you're not allergic to them), and it is the *recommended* diet if you have gall bladder problems - it just so happens that people have discovered it's very good for losing weight, as well as treating gall bladder and other fat digestion problems.
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Kiwwi@webtv.net - 21 Feb 2005 08:05 GMT violetfrank71@skiphotmail.com (Violet Frank) wrote:
>I suddenly feel like everywhere I turn people >are encouraging me to eat more Omega three. Hello, Violet. I'm just passing through the newsgroup but would like to add my 2¢. A while back I started taking take Omega-3 capsules and putting ground up flaxseed in my oatmeal and cold cereal. I did for a "healthy heart." After a couple months I noticed my head was much clearer and I wasn't "blue" (which I consider to be normal for me). I looked it up on the net and found out Omega does help the brain and has been used to treat depression. I don't think this was a coincidence in my case.
I stopped taking it, because, while I like regimen I get bored with it and I hate taking pills. After a while I felt like I was in a haze but my depression stayed away. Anyway, I'm back on regimen (and hopefully will get serious about dieting soon!).
I honestly believe Omega-3 helps with my brain function and emotional well-being. I've told friends and family to consider taking it. (By the way, my father suffers from Alzheimer's but I don't consider Omega-3 a cure-all.)
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