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Joyce - 11 Apr 2005 20:00 GMT I return hanging my head a bit. Not in shame, mind you, just hanging it and feeling pretty rotten about myself. I have no idea what the current weight is, haven't been on a scale in what seems like forever and exercised probably even less. Eating has been on and off since last September. I know I have put weight on, clothes don't/won't lie and I am definitely up 1 size. I tell myself it could be much worse and I am still so much better than I was in 2002. Heck, is it really so bad to be a size 10/12? <grin>
Anyway, not giving any excuses for my behavior other than the mind hasn't been where it should be, and still isn't quite back. For those that remember me and my personal struggles ... it has been a quick, furious and bumpy ride since summer. Mom passed away peacefully last month from her thankfully short battle with alzheimers/dementia. I am still stunned as to how fast this disease progressed for her, every day we had no idea what we were going to see. We were able to bring her to my home for the holidays, then had to put her into hospice care in January ... no longer could see, walk, or talk. I am trying hard to convince myself that the quickness was truly best for her. She wasn't scared or confused for years and years. The funeral brought out a lot of hidden emotions for all of us kids, as we finally were able to bury my father also (mom didn't want him buried until she passed).
Add sonny boy's (for those that don't remember me, that's my 20 yr. old son) torn ligament or tendon in his ankle, ending his baseball dreams ... which brought him a lot of heartache and inner turmoil ... along with him deciding to end his days at college. He is back to working full time, running heavy equipment doing excavating. Surprisingly, he does love it - even if he did have to join adulthood. <grin>
Darling littlest daughter has finally chosen a college to attend in the fall, she will be heading off to University of MO and is thrilled. I'm sad to see her go that far from home, knowing I won't see her for such a long time. The two of us have had some wonderful trips to visit the campus though, extending the latest one to head to the area (Lake of the Ozarks) where I spent most of my youth. We were able to wander around my parents old cottage (the new owners were very gracious) and she was finally able to put actual pictures to the stories she has been told. Guess I should also add that hub is still wonderful, didn't notice I'd gained weight years ago and still doesn't see it this trip. Ya gotta love the man. LOL
Grandkids are doing wonderfully, the baby turned 1 in January and is just now taking her first steps. They have kept me solid throughout this tough period, gave me something to hang onto and smile about.
Now it's time to take care of me, I just need to find the energy to get started. Please be patient with me!
Joyce
Laura - 11 Apr 2005 20:45 GMT So glad to see that you are back with us. Sorry to hear about your mom. I have to agree with you that their passing quickly at that age and condition is a blessing for all. I can only hope that my mother (age 87) will go gracefully too.
Give yourself time to catch up with the idea of being back on track. You did it once and you can do it again. Hopefully you caught it before any real damage was done.
>I return hanging my head a bit. Not in shame, mind you, just hanging it >and [quoted text clipped - 75 lines] > > Joyce Joyce - 22 Apr 2005 08:20 GMT Thanks for the warm welcome back Laura. As with everything else mom did when she was in her better years, she seemed to take control over her passing too ... kind of one of those enough is enough things. Quick, peaceful, done. I was with her in the afternoon, my daughter desperately needed to go visit one last time - and at the time we knew it would be soon but didn't expect it that night. I received a call around 11Pm that vitals had changed, called brothers and headed out. I think she must have known and decided she didn't want us hovering ... was gone before I made it (at that time of night about 15 minutes).
And following in her footsteps (lol) I seem to have jumped full steam into things again. Kind of one of those "when I make up my mind" sort of things. I took the bull by the horns and visited that evil scale ... finally. Not good, but not as bad as I expected. I think I had convinced myself that I had to have put EVERYTHING back on. Maybe that made me feel better about the results? LOL So far on track for the past few days. Damage is damage and what is done is done, although this is one of those things that I CAN do something about to change it. And I do plan to!
Joyce
>So glad to see that you are back with us. Sorry to hear about your mom. I >have to agree with you that their passing quickly at that age and condition [quoted text clipped - 84 lines] >> >> Joyce JulieB - 11 Apr 2005 22:17 GMT Ohh, welcome back! It's good to see you back again, even if it is under slightly more difficult circumstances. You certainly have been through the wars recently haven't you. However you are right, at some point you need to take care of you, and now's the time. It sounds like you haven't done too much damage so that's a good thing. Just pick it up and get going again. We'll be here when you need us :)
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>I return hanging my head a bit. Not in shame, mind you, just hanging it >and [quoted text clipped - 75 lines] > > Joyce Joyce - 22 Apr 2005 08:23 GMT Thanks Julie, it's good to be back. Lots of wars and hoping they end soon. Most recent was last weeks birthday celebration that had to be postponed due to eldest daughter being hospitalized for emergency gallbladder surgery. I swear, it's always something around here. LOL
I did say those exact words to hub after mom's passing ... time to now take care of me, guess now is as good of a time as any. Damage isn't pretty, just under 20 pounds over my official ww goal ... 30 from the personal. Amazing how fast it can go back on. <sigh> But it's swinging down, I am determined.
Joyce
>Ohh, welcome back! It's good to see you back again, even if it is under >slightly more difficult circumstances. You certainly have been through the >wars recently haven't you. However you are right, at some point you need to >take care of you, and now's the time. It sounds like you haven't done too >much damage so that's a good thing. Just pick it up and get going again. >We'll be here when you need us :) Kristin - 25 Apr 2005 04:29 GMT Ohh, sorry to hear about your mom, Joyce... but yes... good time to start taking care of yourself again... hang in there and you'll be back to goal before you know it!
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> Thanks Julie, it's good to be back. Lots of wars and hoping they end > soon. Most [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] >>much damage so that's a good thing. Just pick it up and get going again. >>We'll be here when you need us :) Joyce - 30 Apr 2005 05:28 GMT Thanks again, Kristin. I'm hoping for a return to goal, don't care if it's quick or not just as long as I get there. The damage isn't near as bad as I feared, and my determination is very strong today. We will get there!
Joyce
>Ohh, sorry to hear about your mom, Joyce... but yes... good time to start >taking care of yourself again... hang in there and you'll be back to goal [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] >>>much damage so that's a good thing. Just pick it up and get going again. >>>We'll be here when you need us :) Deb in Northern California - 12 Apr 2005 04:38 GMT Welcome Back Joyce!!!
You were missed by all, well at least by me. I am so sorry to hear of your mom's passing, but as you said she did not have to suffer long with her illness, which is a blessing itself.
Too bad about the son's baseball dreams, and him quitting school, but as long as he has a job and is happy with what he is doing, he can always go back to school in the future. Besides he is following in dad's footsteps, isn't he?
Congrats on your daughter's choice for college. That is one less worry for you. Even though it is farther away than you like, at least you can still communicate with here and there are always holidays home.
Welcome back, you can get back on track, you did it once and you caught it before it got out of hand so you can get back there again.
Debbie
>I return hanging my head a bit. Not in shame, mind you, just hanging it >and [quoted text clipped - 75 lines] > > Joyce Joyce - 22 Apr 2005 08:36 GMT Thanks for the kind words and warm welcome back! I am definitely looking at mom's passing as a blessing ... for her. As I told my brother, who was in deep denial even at the end, this is no longer about us, our wants or our needs. Guess that came out when I had to make the decision to put her into hospice care and take her off some of the meds, etc. Not sure he understood then, think he does now.
Heaven only knows with the son, today he isn't too happy - suffering from a nasty, nasty cold. And in the adult world, colds don't get to keep you home. LOL He is in the same field as dad, just doing the opposite end of it. Dad has always been on the engineering end ... estimating, planning, developing - never formally paid to run the equipment (although he does when he says he wants to play). Unfortunately (for us) those that run the equipment around here actually are paid better than those in charge. LOL From what I understand recently, those school doors have not been closed permanently - he said he will reconsider things around November when the work season stops. Guess only time will tell, and in the grand scheme of things he has to do what is right for him. If he is happy working, then I'm happy too.
Cassie is totally beside herself, applied to this school on a whim and never expected to be accepted. It's been her dream school for several years as they have the best journalism program in the states (so they say) and is the first journalism school in the country (I think anyway, going from memory here). She was admitted directly to the school of Journalism her freshman year, as opposed to having to wait to apply her junior year. Life is good in her eyes. And the distance is probably good for her, she says she wants the whole college experience thing ... being away, having to stay away. LOL Maybe it will make her appreciate us more? LOL
I am determined to get back to somewhere near where I was. Don't know if I'm being lazy or looking at things more realistically - but 135 where I ended sounds awfully low now. For now I'm working back to my official/original goal of 150 - then playing by ear again. I'm thinking more around 140 for maintenance. I've got some work to do, but I know I can do it. Just have to keep telling myself that.
Joyce
>Welcome Back Joyce!!! > [quoted text clipped - 95 lines] >> >> Joyce Fred - 12 Apr 2005 05:34 GMT Sorry to hear about your mom and hope her quick passing really was a blessing.
It sounds as if other things are shaking out okay in the daily scheme of things.
Now WELCOME BACK.
You know what to do even if it might seem a bit hard (this from a guy who nows WI's occasionally when it looks as if it will be FREE!!!)
Fred
>I return hanging my head a bit. Not in shame, mind you, just hanging it and >feeling pretty rotten about myself. I have no idea what the current weight is, [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > >Joyce Joyce - 22 Apr 2005 08:46 GMT Thanks Fred, and yes ... it really was a blessing. She no longer had a life, at least nothing like she had ever wanted. My sister reminded me that alzheimers was her worst fear, way back when. Had tossed all her aluminum cookware, stopped eating anything canned, etc. I had totally forgotten those days. I choose to believe she is at peace now and reunited with my father. It makes me happy. <sigh>
LOL, shaking is a good word, not sure about the OK part. Last Friday (tax day) was my birthday ... not sure when it will be now. My oldest girl went to an ER clinic in the morning, had some funky symptoms that had her (and us) extremely worried. Little history ... on that exact date several years ago, her mom passed away after having a liver transplant. Anyway ... she called from the ER clinic that she was going to the hospital for some more tests, they had discovered bilirubin in her urine and very elevated liver enzymes in the blood (something like that). Saturday morning she was told it was a bad gallbladder with stones lodged in the bile ducts ... procedure in the evening to remove the stones, surgery Monday to remove the gallbladder. We did breathe a huge sigh of relief at the diagnosis though - were so afraid that there may have been a hereditary thing we weren't aware of. She is home now, back on the road to recovery. Once again those grandkids kept me occupied. LOL
And yes, I do know what to do - and it is not easy. The past few days have been good ones - not easy but not overly difficult. The food scale has reappeared on my countertop and is being used. I know how it all works, I haven't forgotten - now have to put it all back into practice. Today I'm feeling much better about myself.
Joyce
>Sorry to hear about your mom and hope her quick passing really was a >blessing. [quoted text clipped - 55 lines] >> >>Joyce Fred - 25 Apr 2005 00:46 GMT I think you have had enough for the moment and hope you get a rest from the "piling on!"
Glad daughter is now okay. Keep YOU in focus and pop in when you feel like it is appropriate.
Fred
>Thanks Fred, and yes ... it really was a blessing. She no longer had a life, at >least nothing like she had ever wanted. My sister reminded me that alzheimers was [quoted text clipped - 84 lines] >>> >>>Joyce Joyce - 30 Apr 2005 05:18 GMT >I think you have had enough for the moment and hope you get a rest >from the "piling on!" Thanks dear, I think I've had enough too. LOL I have rested this week, mostly on the couch during daylight hours. <grin> I'm feeling better about life in general though, and in a much more positive frame of mind.
>Glad daughter is now okay. Keep YOU in focus and pop in when you feel >like it is appropriate. Thanks again, she is doing very well - headed back to work Monday morning. Heading back here is definitely what I needed to get my head back into the game. There really is something to be said about all the positive feedback and support in this group. Just touching base again seemed to bring everything back into perspective for me.
Joyce
>Fred > [quoted text clipped - 86 lines] >>>> >>>>Joyce Nathalie W - 12 Apr 2005 06:17 GMT Believe it or not, I 'm sitting here in my pyjamas at 06.00 in the morning and I nearly started a happy dance when I saw your name on the screen. I 'm so happy to see you back, Joyce! Sorry to hear about your mom... and glad to hear the updates about your family. Now give yourself some time to care about *you* : you deserve it! All the best, and please post often, I enjoy your posts so much!
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> I return hanging my head a bit. Not in shame, mind you, just hanging it and > feeling pretty rotten about myself. I have no idea what the current weight is, [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > > Joyce Joyce - 22 Apr 2005 08:49 GMT LOL! Thank you Nathalie! And believe it or not, I really did miss everyone here. It was so nice to come back and see all those familiar faces once again ... all my old friends (whom I don't really know), all those fighting those same demons that I am, all those who TRULY understand. You know what I mean. LOL
It's going to take me a bit to get back into posting regularly, trying to work out schedules and such. I'm reading though, I am definitely HERE!
I did a quick scan of months and months of posts, noticed nothing from Lee. Did I miss them or is she gone? Hope she is doing alright.
Joyce
>Believe it or not, I 'm sitting here in my pyjamas at 06.00 in the morning >and I nearly started a happy dance when I saw your name on the screen. I 'm [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >Now give yourself some time to care about *you* : you deserve it! All the >best, and please post often, I enjoy your posts so much! Nathalie W - 23 Apr 2005 12:23 GMT Lee was very active till february and then suddenly disappeared. I believe a few people on the ng mailed her to check if she was allright. She promised to be back. I miss her too!
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> LOL! Thank you Nathalie! And believe it or not, I really did miss everyone here. > It was so nice to come back and see all those familiar faces once again ... all my [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > >Now give yourself some time to care about *you* : you deserve it! All the > >best, and please post often, I enjoy your posts so much! Joyce - 30 Apr 2005 04:52 GMT Thanks so much for the update on Lee. I'm glad to hear she is alright and look forward to seeing her again.
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>Lee was very active till february and then suddenly disappeared. I believe a >few people on the ng mailed her to check if she was allright. She promised [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >> >> Joyce Prairie Roots - 13 Apr 2005 00:22 GMT Hello Joyce. What a treat to see your name in the Author list.
I'm sorry to hear about your mother. Alzheimers/dementia is such a cruel disease, especially for family members. Now that your mother is at peace, I hope you are able to find some for yourself.
Seems like life just can't be content to throw you one challenge at a time. You've sure had a lot going on with other family members too. Thank goodness you've got the grandkids to keep you smiling!
Glad to see you back, Joyce. I'm trying my own comeback as well after regaining more weight than I care to admit. Job stress, yada yada yada...
No, being a size 10/12 isn't so bad, which is where I'm at too, considering that my previous size was 22-24. But the thing is, all of my summer clothes, which I bought last year, are 6-8. I'm going to be in real trouble real soon if this warm spring weather continues. None of my shorts fit, not even my bicycling shorts.
Be patient with yourself Joyce. Do the best you can, and even when it seems your grief is getting the best of you, remember that you're still doing your best. Your energy and motivation will kick in eventually. -- Linda P
>I return hanging my head a bit. Not in shame, mind you, just hanging it and >feeling pretty rotten about myself. I have no idea what the current weight is, [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > >Joyce Joyce - 22 Apr 2005 08:57 GMT I really am at peace with mom's passing. Not to say I don't miss her, I do - but I think my daughter pegged it perfectly when she told me that she lost her granny long ago. The person left in her shell was an imposter, someone we didn't know. And those dang family members of mine better stop throwing curve balls at me, I'm pooped! LOL
Last week I was fearful that those summer clothes would be needed very soon, was in the 80's here. Today I'm thinking I have some time ... talking snow again Saturday. LOL I love my summer clothes, was so distressed knowing there is no way I'm gonna squeeze into those 6/8's. Today I'm thinking there is a way, I can do it, I will do it ... again. Will take some time and hard work, but it can be done. We proved it before, didn't we???
I'm being patient and trying not to be too hard on myself. I jumped back into things this week, so far doesn't seem too difficult. It's easy when I'm home alone during the day - this week-end will be interesting. LOL
Joyce
>Hello Joyce. What a treat to see your name in the Author list. > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >still doing your best. Your energy and motivation will kick in >eventually. Brenda Hammond - 13 Apr 2005 05:21 GMT I've been wondering about where you were and if you'd ever be back! Nice to finally *see* your name here again.
Sorry to hear about your mom. I know how difficult it is to lose a family member. We lost my MIL last August at age 56 from a heart attack and are still trying to deal with it. Take time for you and know that we are all here for you if and when you need us.
Nice update on the rest of the family and glad to hear they are well and happy. Take care and see you back here soon.
Brenda
>I return hanging my head a bit. Not in shame, mind you, just hanging it >and [quoted text clipped - 75 lines] > > Joyce Joyce - 22 Apr 2005 08:59 GMT Thanks Brenda, and I'm glad to see you're here again too. I remember you losing your MIL, think that is when we lost you here for a bit.
I was hoping you all would still be here, was so glad to see that things haven't changed much at all. We're all still trying to accomplish and maintain that same goal ... health.
Joyce
>I've been wondering about where you were and if you'd ever be back! >Nice to finally *see* your name here again. [quoted text clipped - 88 lines] >> >> Joyce Brenda Hammond - 23 Apr 2005 14:59 GMT I'm glad I'm back as well. We struggled for quite some time over the loss of my MIL. Some days are still very difficult, especially now that spring has sprung. She's was a wonderful gardener. She used to give DS a sunflower plant each year that she grew from seed. The one she gave him last year I managed to collect seeds from - one germinated and the plant got to be about 3 inches tall, then died... I will go and buy him one and we will put it in the garden in memory of her.
Weightwise I have been struggling as well for the last year or so. I've been OP for a few days now, so hopefully that will make a difference on Monday when I weigh in.
Brenda
> Thanks Brenda, and I'm glad to see you're here again too. I remember you > losing [quoted text clipped - 109 lines] >>> >>> Joyce Joyce - 30 Apr 2005 05:06 GMT It's hard to lose someone so unexpectedly. I truthfully don't think there is any way you can prepare for a death, but when losing someone due to a lengthy illness it seems to be a bit easier to move forward ... no hanging questions or doubts, some peace knowing they are no longer suffering. Of course, that is ONLY from my experiences comparing the loss of my dad (very sudden) and my mom. Each one of us handles things differently.
What a wonderful way to remember your MIL! I am sure she would love it, as well as your family.
I haven't struggled for a year ... yet ... think the problems for me began sometime late August/early September. I managed to stay OP for a few days, then caved for the balance - with most of the damage occuring after the holidays. Amazing how fast the weight can pile back on! I've been back OP for over a week now, and have to say I really feel sooooooo much better. I'm thinking it is helping me to at least have some control over something, instead of letting everything control me. I no longer feel like a victim, if that makes any sense at all.
Joyce
>I'm glad I'm back as well. We struggled for quite some time over the loss >of my [quoted text clipped - 128 lines] >>>> >>>> Joyce Brenda Hammond - 30 Apr 2005 15:36 GMT > It's hard to lose someone so unexpectedly. I truthfully don't think there > is any [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > one of us > handles things differently. Yes it is certainly is hard losing someone so unexpectedly. We were totally shocked when my MIL died last summer. Actually we're still somewhat in shock. Handling it is another story. My husband seems to handle things like this much better than I do. I'm a very emotional person, so things seem to get to me much more than they do him.
> What a wonderful way to remember your MIL! I am sure she would love it, > as well [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > sense at > all. My struggle to stay OP has been going on for a long time now. I was doing quite well before DH had his surgery and ensuing problems two years ago (you will remember what I went through then). Anyway I began my struggle to stay OP at that time, and was never able to completely stick to the program after that. I seem to be overeating when I'm or down about things which is a regular occurrence here lately. I have an appt. with my doctor on Tuesday to see if he can suggest or prescribe something to help me. Other problem is that I'm having trouble sleeping, then of course I'm a grumpy b***h the next day, which is in turn making the rest of the family grumpy as well!
I've resigned myself to the fact that it's possible/likely I have a problem with depression. I've been reading about depression and many of the symptoms are symptoms I'm experiencing and have been since DH got sick. It's just unfortunate if I do have it that I have the "overeating" symptom rather than the "undereating" symptom! Hopefully my doctor can help.
Brenda
> Joyce > [quoted text clipped - 150 lines] >>>>> >>>>> Joyce Prairie Roots - 30 Apr 2005 16:33 GMT I'm glad to hear you have an appt with your dr to discuss the possibility that you might be experiencing depression. Since you've been reading up on it, I'm sure you know that not sleeping well is another indicator. For me, not sleeping well was the worst aspect of my depression and gave me reason enough to seek help and relief. For you, I hope the answer is as simple as a diagnosis and the right medication. You won't believe how much better you'll feel about your body, your head, and your life. -- Linda P
>> It's hard to lose someone so unexpectedly. I truthfully don't think there >> is any [quoted text clipped - 213 lines] >>>>>> >>>>>> Joyce Brenda Hammond - 30 Apr 2005 17:03 GMT When did you seek help? Was it before you started WW or during? I'm hoping that he can prescribe me something to get me back to feeling well and normal. I've also been having several other symptoms, among them - headaches and back pain that never seems to go away - both have been going on for years - but no one could ever diagnose why. The only thing that I ever found that helped somewhat was chiropractic treatments.
Brenda
> I'm glad to hear you have an appt with your dr to discuss the > possibility that you might be experiencing depression. Since you've [quoted text clipped - 257 lines] >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Joyce Prairie Roots - 30 Apr 2005 17:30 GMT The first time was in 1993, the spring following my divorce. A couple of years before my marriage ended, I lost a lot of weight in Overeaters Anonymous, but post-marriage, I regained it all and then some. Then the other indicators: lack of interest in anything, lack of energy, inability to focus, bouts of crying for no reason, interrupted sleep... What put things over the edge for me, and what made a fried decide to intervene was the day I started crying after a professor submitted my name for an honors award and I literally could not stop crying. I'd be worried too if someone I cared about cried non-stop for 4 hours. I cried all through my doctor's appt too.
About a year after my depression got under control, I joined WW and lost a lot of weight. Kept it off for a while but then the depression came back, as did the crying and the sleepless nights. That time, I was already in counseling, and my therapist diagnosed me with post-traumatic stress disorder. Through individual and group therapy, I finally came to terms with several leftover issues from childhood. I didn't take any medication during that time. Maybe I should have.
The third time was in 2000. My life was going pretty well, I wasn't in counseling any more, but some major changes had occurred at work and I my bearings. By this time, I knew what crying and sleepless nights meant, and took my butt to my regular dr and told her I needed zoloft. I stayed on it for a year and then it took me another year to decide I needed to do something about my weight. I played with a few weight loss programs, such as Atkins, I joined the Y and began a regular exercise program, but nothing worked until I realized I had to control my eating in a way that both satisfied me and reduced my calorie intake. That was in Feb 2003. I think I went through a minor depression this winter, but not so severe that I thought I needed meds. And now I'm OK again.
Headaches, yeah, I've had my share of headaches. The headaches were part of the lack of sleep. My headaches, though, were also hormonally related, and that hasn't been a problem for a few years. One of my daughters gets migraines that are timed with her monthly cycle. There's nothing wrong with chiropractic if it helps.
>When did you seek help? Was it before you started WW or during? >I'm hoping that he can prescribe me something to get me back to [quoted text clipped - 267 lines] >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Joyce Brenda Hammond - 30 Apr 2005 18:09 GMT Wow, you've had some real bouts with depression. I know all too well the symptoms you describe as I'm experiencing those as well as a few others. Crying has been a regular occurrence lately too. DH is getting concerned and is glad that I've finally made the move to see my dr. and sort this out.
I still find it hard to believe that I probably am "depressed". My life is not a difficult one - our business is thriving and my husband, son and I are not ill. We don't have any real financial concerns. I guess most of it is due to left-over stress from when DH was ill. Losing my MIL and a close friend and my two grandmothers being diagnosed with cancer. One of them has had surgery already - the other is due to have her surgery on May 9. The other thing that has been bothering me for awhile is the fact that my perfect life with friends and family that I love and cherish is changing - as I get older they are beginning to die off and that for some reason really gets to me. It's not like I don't know these things happen - I just have a hard time adjusting to it.
Brenda
> The first time was in 1993, the spring following my divorce. A couple > of years before my marriage ended, I lost a lot of weight in [quoted text clipped - 337 lines] >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Joyce Prairie Roots - 30 Apr 2005 18:52 GMT While I was growing up, my mother went through a period of depression and spent several weeks in a psychiatric unit where she received 6 electroshock treatments. She lost much of her longterm memory, most of which came back but very very slowly (decades!). Soon after her release, she attempted suicide. That episode, and the fear of any of that happening to me, kept me from acknowledging my own periods of depression (several more than I listed). There have been so many advances in the treatment of depression, we're lucky to live in a time where depression is usually treatable with medication. I think I'd rather be depressed than go through what my mother did.
You went through a lot during your DH's surgery and aftermath. You had to keep your business going, your household going, your son's daily needs for physical and parental attention, on top of the nonstop worry about your husband's health. He was critical for so long... It's no wonder if your brain chemistry got out sync. And then to have those other losses too, not just of the people themselves. That's hard enough. But yes, the loss of the way your life used to be. That kind of loss is harder to recognize, but it's a loss nonetheless. And you're preparing yourself for more losses.
As you know from your reading, a person may be prone to depression but be fine until a situation brings it on. You've described yourself as an emotional, sensitive person. So I guess I'm not surprised that you may be susceptible to depression after the situations you've had recently.
From the accumulation of indicators you've cited, I'd bet money that your dr will find your picture in a textbook showing a classic case of clinical depression.
Please do post what you learn on Tuesday. And in the meantime, keep checking in here as you need to. I'm home all weekend and you can e-mail me if you want. prairierootsmn@yahoo.nospam.com
Hope lies ahead. -- Linda P
>Wow, you've had some real bouts with depression. I know all too >well the symptoms you describe as I'm experiencing those as well [quoted text clipped - 358 lines] >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Joyce Brenda Hammond - 01 May 2005 04:57 GMT > While I was growing up, my mother went through a period of depression > and spent several weeks in a psychiatric unit where she received 6 [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > where depression is usually treatable with medication. I think I'd > rather be depressed than go through what my mother did. I think I'd rather be depressed than go through that too. What an awful time it must have been for your mom and the rest of her family as well.
I really haven't been around anyone that was depressed so really didn't know much about it. Fortunately I do not have thoughts of suicide or hurting myself in any way. I often have wondered though about how depressed a person has to be to consider suicide - I just can't imagine...
> You went through a lot during your DH's surgery and aftermath. You had > to keep your business going, your household going, your son's daily [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > of loss is harder to recognize, but it's a loss nonetheless. And > you're preparing yourself for more losses. I suppose I am in some ways preparing myself for other losses, but without realizing that I'm actually doing it. Does that make sense at all?
> As you know from your reading, a person may be prone to depression but > be fine until a situation brings it on. You've described yourself as > an emotional, sensitive person. So I guess I'm not surprised that you > may be susceptible to depression after the situations you've had > recently. I think you are right. Over the years I can remember myself having the same feelings and probably being depressed without even knowing that I was. I think now though that I can even figure out when those times were and why it happened.
It's funny you know...my grandma asks me each morning how I've slept and each morning I say "not very well". She asked how long I've been having difficulty sleeping and I said "since I moved out of mom & dad's house. That was 22 years ago.
> From the accumulation of indicators you've cited, I'd bet money that > your dr will find your picture in a textbook showing a classic case of > clinical depression. I think you are probably right. I'll see what he has to say then. I'm sure he will have an answer for me. Thanks for the support.
Brenda
> Please do post what you learn on Tuesday. And in the meantime, keep > checking in here as you need to. I'm home all weekend and you can [quoted text clipped - 393 lines] >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Joyce Joyce - 05 May 2005 06:18 GMT I'm finding this thread very interesting, as I have gone through 2 diagnosed bouts of depression. The first one drove me nuts, chased to doctors endlessly. I was recently married, so .... maybe 24??? I was having chest pains, swore it was heart problems. One doctor kept telling me it was depression, I thought he was a quack. What did I have to be depressed about. HA! I've learned more about it since then. Depression doesn't mean just feeling sad, doom and gloom, etc. It is a chemical imbalance in the brain, often many physical symptoms that would never point you in the direction of depression. Medications are not a magic cure. When I was first diagnosed, the only med was valium ... it wasn't a commonly diagnosed illness. It was my gynecologist that got me into therapy, which made more difference than the medication. Medication seemed to get me functioning again, kind of put things on an even keel so to speak. Dealing with the underlying stresses and issues, helping me think a bit more realistically (no dear, everyone is not trying to poison your food - you CAN eat) seemed to be the cure. Evidentally the new marriage, instantly becoming a mom (stepmom), dealing with ex-wife issues and overbearing MIL issue was more than I could deal with. What pushed me over the edge was the tainted tylenol scare in our area (why my brain was telling me I shouldn't put anything into my mouth). I still remember that so vividly ... police cars running through the neighbors with bullhorns, telling all residents to NOT take tylenol capsules - but not telling why (probably didn't have time). I believe it was 5 or 7 area residents that were killed by this incident, but somehow it was enough to push me into overload mode, and I crashed.
The second time hit me totally by surprise. Life was grand, everything was good, no known stresses that I can think of. I was at bowling and all of a sudden my heart began racing and knees buckled. I couldn't walk, the room was spinning. Hub raced me to the ER where nothing was found and I was sent home. Again, thinking I was having a heart attack or stroke. Downhill fast from there, to the point of not being able to leave the house alone. Everytime I left, I had the panic attacks (same symptoms as above) and ended up calling someone to come rescue me ... was easier to just stay home until either sonny boy returned from school or hub from work, to take me on my errands. About a month or so later, hub took me to the doctor for a routine checkup. Doc asked how I was doing, and I said fine - joked around a bit. Hub chimed in with "she is non-functional" and I burst into tears. It took those words to make me realize that he was right. I was NOT functioning at all. Back on meds which got me over the hump and feeling a bit better. Back to all I learned 20 years prior, and lots of forcing myself to get out - but I was able to get back to normal. Occassionally I still do get those panic attacks, but I know the symptoms now and can easily talk myself out of them.
Listen to your doctor and keep in contact with him/her. They will be able to help you and get you back to feeling more like yourself again.
Joyce
>When did you seek help? Was it before you started WW or during? >I'm hoping that he can prescribe me something to get me back to [quoted text clipped - 267 lines] >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Joyce Brenda Hammond - 05 May 2005 15:37 GMT > I'm finding this thread very interesting, as I have gone through 2 > diagnosed bouts [quoted text clipped - 74 lines] > to help > you and get you back to feeling more like yourself again. Thanks for the input Joyce. Whew, you really have had two good bouts of depression. Fortunately my symptoms are not the ones you have had, but mine have scared me enough to know that I do need some help. My Dr. asked if I would like to see a therapist, but I don't want to do that just yet. I'll wait and see him again in two weeks, then I'll go from there.
> Joyce > [quoted text clipped - 301 lines] >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Joyce Joyce - 06 May 2005 05:32 GMT >> I'm finding this thread very interesting, as I have gone through 2 >> diagnosed bouts >> of depression. <snipped the long boring stuff from me>
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>> out - but I was able to get back to normal. Occassionally I still do get >> those [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >would like to see a therapist, but I don't want to do that just yet. I'll >wait and see him again in two weeks, then I'll go from there. I think what happened with me was that the first episode became out of control, due to my ignoring the problems. The first one was before much information was publicized about depression, so of course when the first doctor mentioned it I just thought he found a kind way to tell me I was nuts. <g> Second time I have no idea why it hit so fast and hard, can't remember any major life altering incidents.
I'm glad you realized that you do need help, and have finally found it. I get really irritated with people that tell others to "just get over it" - thinking depression isn't a real illness. Don't be afraid of a therapist, they aren't all bad. I was opposed to going first also, until after the first meeting. It was really nice to have someone to talk to. Someone unbiased who would really listen. Nothing major was uncovered (that I recall), just gave me a place where I could vent some things that I hadn't even realized had been upsetting me. I was released after a few sessions, was actually told that she thought she would rather see some other extended members of the family. LOL
Keep us updated on how you are doing!
Joyce
Brenda Hammond - 06 May 2005 14:50 GMT >>> I'm finding this thread very interesting, as I have gone through 2 >>> diagnosed bouts [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > would rather > see some other extended members of the family. LOL I've been to see a therapist in the past for other reasons, which are long since resolved now. Anyway, I remember my first few visits clearly - couldn't stop crying - so not much talking done! After a few visits I was able to actually talk without crying the whole time and discuss what was bothering me. She was helpful and I was glad that I went.
I'm going to see how things are when I go back to my Dr. and I may just take him up on the offer of a therapist.
> Keep us updated on how you are doing! > > Joyce Joyce - 05 May 2005 05:43 GMT >> I haven't struggled for a year ... yet ... think the problems for me began >> sometime late August/early September. I managed to stay OP for a few [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] >the >"undereating" symptom! Hopefully my doctor can help. I do remember what you went through with your hub, you had an awful lot on your plate at that time ... and in the months that followed. Everything sort of piles up, and then we hit overload - don't even realize it when it happens ... I think anyway. Ahhhhhhh, good ol' depression ... have had quite a bit of experience with that myself. I've been through two serious bouts of it, the first I had the undereating symptom. Trust me, that wasn't fun either. I bottomed out at 101 lbs. before I believed something was wrong with me. The second time I got hit with the overeating symptom, but I knew *something* was wrong - just didn't believe it was the depression again. You're Dr. can help, provided they don't just have the mindset of pushing pills and it will all go away (many do).
Joyce
>Brenda > [quoted text clipped - 152 lines] >>>>>> >>>>>> Joyce
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