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Joyce - 11 Apr 2005 20:00 GMT
I return hanging my head a bit.  Not in shame, mind you, just hanging it and
feeling pretty rotten about myself.  I have no idea what the current weight is,
haven't been on a scale in what seems like forever and exercised probably even
less.  Eating has been on and off since last September.  I know I have put weight
on, clothes don't/won't lie and I am definitely up 1 size.  I tell myself it could
be much worse and I am still so much better than I was in 2002.  Heck, is it
really so bad to be a size 10/12? <grin>

Anyway, not giving any excuses for my behavior other than the mind hasn't been
where it should be, and still isn't quite back.  For those that remember me and my
personal struggles ... it has been a quick, furious and bumpy ride since summer.
Mom passed away peacefully last month from her thankfully short battle with
alzheimers/dementia.  I am still stunned as to how fast this disease progressed
for her, every day we had no idea what we were going to see.  We were able to
bring her to my home for the holidays, then had to put her into hospice care in
January ... no longer could see, walk, or talk.  I am trying hard to convince
myself that the quickness was truly best for her.  She wasn't scared or confused
for years and years.  The funeral brought out a lot of hidden emotions for all of
us kids, as we finally were able to bury my father also (mom didn't want him
buried until she passed).  

Add sonny boy's (for those that don't remember me, that's my 20 yr. old son) torn
ligament or tendon in his ankle, ending his baseball dreams ... which brought him
a lot of heartache and inner turmoil ... along with him deciding to end his days
at college.  He is back to working full time, running heavy equipment doing
excavating.  Surprisingly, he does love it - even if he did have to join
adulthood.  <grin>  

Darling littlest daughter has finally chosen a college to attend in the fall, she
will be heading off to University of MO and is thrilled.  I'm sad to see her go
that far from home, knowing I won't see her for such a long time.  The two of us
have had some wonderful trips to visit the campus though, extending the latest one
to head to the area (Lake of the Ozarks) where I spent most of my youth.  We were
able to wander around my parents old cottage (the new owners were very gracious)
and she was finally able to put actual pictures to the stories she has been told.
Guess I should also add that hub is still wonderful, didn't notice I'd gained
weight years ago and still doesn't see it this trip.  Ya gotta love the man. LOL

Grandkids are doing wonderfully, the baby turned 1 in January and is just now
taking her first steps.  They have kept me solid throughout this tough period,
gave me something to hang onto and smile about.  

Now it's time to take care of me, I just need to find the energy to get started.
Please be patient with me!

Joyce
Laura - 11 Apr 2005 20:45 GMT
So glad to see that you are back with us. Sorry to hear about your mom. I
have to agree with you that their passing quickly at that age and condition
is a blessing for all. I can only hope that my mother (age 87) will go
gracefully too.

Give yourself time to catch up with the idea of being back on track. You did
it once and you can do it again. Hopefully you caught it before any real
damage was done.

>I return hanging my head a bit.  Not in shame, mind you, just hanging it
>and
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> Joyce
Joyce - 22 Apr 2005 08:20 GMT
Thanks for the warm welcome back Laura.   As with everything else mom did when she
was in her better years, she seemed to take control over her passing too ... kind
of one of those enough is enough things.  Quick, peaceful, done.  I was with her
in the afternoon, my daughter desperately needed to go visit one last time - and
at the time we knew it would be soon but didn't expect it that night.  I received
a call around 11Pm that vitals had changed, called brothers and headed out.  I
think she must have known and decided she didn't want us hovering ... was gone
before I made it (at that time of night about 15 minutes).  

And following in her footsteps (lol) I seem to have jumped full steam into things
again.  Kind of one of those "when I make up my mind" sort of things.  I took the
bull by the horns and visited that evil scale ... finally.  Not good, but not as
bad as I expected.  I think I had convinced myself that I had to have put
EVERYTHING back on.   Maybe that made me feel better about the results?  LOL  So
far on track for the past few days.  Damage is damage and what is done is done,
although this is one of those things that I CAN do something about to change it.
And I do plan to!

Joyce

>So glad to see that you are back with us. Sorry to hear about your mom. I
>have to agree with you that their passing quickly at that age and condition
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>> Joyce
JulieB - 11 Apr 2005 22:17 GMT
Ohh, welcome back!   It's good to see you back again, even if it is under
slightly more difficult circumstances.  You certainly have been through the
wars recently haven't you.  However you are right, at some point you need to
take care of you, and now's the time.  It sounds like you haven't done too
much damage so that's a good thing.  Just pick it up and get going again.
We'll be here when you need us :)

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>I return hanging my head a bit.  Not in shame, mind you, just hanging it
>and
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> Joyce
Joyce - 22 Apr 2005 08:23 GMT
Thanks Julie, it's good to be back.  Lots of wars and hoping they end soon.  Most
recent was last weeks birthday celebration that had to be postponed due to eldest
daughter being hospitalized for emergency gallbladder surgery.  I swear, it's
always something around here. LOL

I did say those exact words to hub after mom's passing ... time to now take care
of me, guess now is as good of a time as any.  Damage isn't pretty, just under 20
pounds over my official ww goal ... 30 from the personal.  Amazing how fast it can
go back on. <sigh>  But it's swinging down, I am determined.

Joyce

>Ohh, welcome back!   It's good to see you back again, even if it is under
>slightly more difficult circumstances.  You certainly have been through the
>wars recently haven't you.  However you are right, at some point you need to
>take care of you, and now's the time.  It sounds like you haven't done too
>much damage so that's a good thing.  Just pick it up and get going again.
>We'll be here when you need us :)
Kristin - 25 Apr 2005 04:29 GMT
Ohh, sorry to hear about your mom, Joyce... but yes... good time to start
taking care of yourself again... hang in there and you'll be back to goal
before you know it!

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> Thanks Julie, it's good to be back.  Lots of wars and hoping they end
> soon.  Most
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>>much damage so that's a good thing.  Just pick it up and get going again.
>>We'll be here when you need us :)
Joyce - 30 Apr 2005 05:28 GMT
Thanks again, Kristin.  I'm hoping for a return to goal, don't care if it's quick
or not just as long as I get there.  The damage isn't near as bad as I feared, and
my determination is very strong today.  We will get there!

Joyce

>Ohh, sorry to hear about your mom, Joyce... but yes... good time to start
>taking care of yourself again... hang in there and you'll be back to goal
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>>>much damage so that's a good thing.  Just pick it up and get going again.
>>>We'll be here when you need us :)
Deb in Northern California - 12 Apr 2005 04:38 GMT
Welcome Back Joyce!!!

You were missed by all, well at least by me.  I am so sorry to hear of your
mom's passing, but as you said she did not have to suffer long with her
illness, which is a blessing itself.

Too bad about the son's baseball dreams, and him quitting school, but as
long as he has a job and is happy with what he is doing, he can always go
back to school in the future.  Besides he is following in dad's footsteps,
isn't he?

Congrats on your daughter's choice for college.  That is one less worry for
you.  Even though it is farther away than you like, at least you can still
communicate with here and there are always holidays home.

Welcome back, you can get back on track, you did it once and you caught it
before it got out of hand so you can get back there again.

Debbie

>I return hanging my head a bit.  Not in shame, mind you, just hanging it
>and
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> Joyce
Joyce - 22 Apr 2005 08:36 GMT
Thanks for the kind words and warm welcome back!  I am definitely looking at mom's
passing as a blessing ... for her.  As I told my brother, who was in deep denial
even at the end, this is no longer about us, our wants or our needs.  Guess that
came out when I had to make the decision to put her into hospice care and take her
off some of the meds, etc.  Not sure he understood then, think he does now.

Heaven only knows with the son, today he isn't too happy - suffering from a nasty,
nasty cold.  And in the adult world, colds don't get to keep you home.  LOL  He is
in the same field as dad, just doing the opposite end of it.  Dad has always been
on the engineering end ... estimating, planning, developing - never formally paid
to run the equipment (although he does when he says he wants to play).
Unfortunately (for us) those that run the equipment around here actually are paid
better than those in charge. LOL   From what I understand recently, those school
doors have not been closed permanently - he said he will reconsider things around
November when the work season stops.  Guess only time will tell, and in the grand
scheme of things he has to do what is right for him.  If he is happy working, then
I'm happy too.

Cassie is totally beside herself, applied to this school on a whim and never
expected to be accepted.  It's been her dream school for several years as they
have the best journalism program in the states (so they say) and is the first
journalism school in the country (I think anyway, going from memory here).  She
was admitted directly to the school of Journalism her freshman year, as opposed to
having to wait to apply her junior year.  Life is good in her eyes.  And the
distance is probably good for her, she says she wants the whole college experience
thing ... being away, having to stay away. LOL   Maybe it will make her appreciate
us more?  LOL

I am determined to get back to somewhere near where I was.  Don't know if I'm
being lazy or looking at things more realistically - but 135 where I ended sounds
awfully low now.  For now I'm working back to my official/original goal of 150 -
then playing by ear again.  I'm thinking more around 140 for maintenance.  I've
got some work to do, but I know I can do it.  Just have to keep telling myself
that.

Joyce

>Welcome Back Joyce!!!
>
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>> Joyce
Fred - 12 Apr 2005 05:34 GMT
Sorry to hear about your mom and hope her quick passing really was a
blessing.

It sounds as if other things are shaking out okay in the daily scheme
of things.

Now WELCOME BACK.  

You know what to do even if it might seem a bit hard (this from a guy
who nows WI's occasionally when it looks as if it will be FREE!!!)

Fred

>I return hanging my head a bit.  Not in shame, mind you, just hanging it and
>feeling pretty rotten about myself.  I have no idea what the current weight is,
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>Joyce
Joyce - 22 Apr 2005 08:46 GMT
Thanks Fred, and yes ... it really was a blessing.  She no longer had a life, at
least nothing like she had ever wanted.  My sister reminded me that alzheimers was
her worst fear, way back when.  Had tossed all her aluminum cookware, stopped
eating anything canned, etc.  I had totally forgotten those days.  I choose to
believe she is at peace now and reunited with my father.  It makes me happy.
<sigh>

LOL, shaking is a good word, not sure about the OK part.  Last Friday (tax day)
was my birthday ... not sure when it will be now.  My oldest girl went to an ER
clinic in the morning, had some funky symptoms that had her (and us) extremely
worried.  Little history ... on that exact date several years ago, her mom passed
away after having a liver transplant.  Anyway ... she called from the ER clinic
that she was going to the hospital for some more tests, they had discovered
bilirubin in her urine and very elevated liver enzymes in the blood (something
like that).  Saturday morning she was told it was a bad gallbladder with stones
lodged in the bile ducts ... procedure in the evening to remove the stones,
surgery Monday to remove the gallbladder.  We did breathe a huge sigh of relief at
the diagnosis though - were so afraid that there may have been a hereditary thing
we weren't aware of.  She is home now, back on the road to recovery.  Once again
those grandkids kept me occupied.  LOL

And yes, I do know what to do - and it is not easy.  The past few days have been
good ones - not easy but not overly difficult.  The food scale has reappeared on
my countertop and is being used.  I know how it all works, I haven't forgotten -
now have to put it all back into practice.  Today I'm feeling much better about
myself.

Joyce

>Sorry to hear about your mom and hope her quick passing really was a
>blessing.
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>>Joyce
Fred - 25 Apr 2005 00:46 GMT
I think you have had enough for the  moment and hope you get a rest
from the "piling on!"

Glad daughter is now okay.  Keep YOU in focus and pop in when you feel
like it is appropriate.

Fred

>Thanks Fred, and yes ... it really was a blessing.  She no longer had a life, at
>least nothing like she had ever wanted.  My sister reminded me that alzheimers was
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>>>Joyce
Joyce - 30 Apr 2005 05:18 GMT
>I think you have had enough for the  moment and hope you get a rest
>from the "piling on!"

Thanks dear, I think I've had enough too.  LOL  I have rested this week, mostly on
the couch during daylight hours. <grin>  I'm feeling better about life in general
though, and in a much more positive frame of mind.

>Glad daughter is now okay.  Keep YOU in focus and pop in when you feel
>like it is appropriate.

Thanks again, she is doing very well - headed back to work Monday morning.
Heading back here is definitely what I needed to get my head back into the game.
There really is something to be said about all the positive feedback and support
in this group.  Just touching base again seemed to bring everything back into
perspective for me.

Joyce

>Fred
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>>>>Joyce
Nathalie W - 12 Apr 2005 06:17 GMT
Believe it or not, I 'm sitting here in my pyjamas at 06.00 in the morning
and I nearly started a happy dance when I saw your name on the screen. I 'm
so happy to see you back, Joyce!
Sorry to hear about your mom...  and glad to hear the updates about your
family.
Now give yourself some time to care about *you* : you deserve it! All the
best, and please post often, I enjoy your posts so much!
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> I return hanging my head a bit.  Not in shame, mind you, just hanging it and
> feeling pretty rotten about myself.  I have no idea what the current weight is,
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> Joyce
Joyce - 22 Apr 2005 08:49 GMT
LOL!  Thank you Nathalie!  And believe it or not, I really did miss everyone here.
It was so nice to come back and see all those familiar faces once again ... all my
old friends (whom I don't really know), all those fighting those same demons that
I am, all those who TRULY understand.  You know what I mean. LOL

It's going to take me a bit to get back into posting regularly, trying to work out
schedules and such.  I'm reading though, I am definitely HERE!

I did a quick scan of months and months of posts, noticed nothing from Lee.  Did I
miss them or is she gone?  Hope she is doing alright.

Joyce

>Believe it or not, I 'm sitting here in my pyjamas at 06.00 in the morning
>and I nearly started a happy dance when I saw your name on the screen. I 'm
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>Now give yourself some time to care about *you* : you deserve it! All the
>best, and please post often, I enjoy your posts so much!
Nathalie W - 23 Apr 2005 12:23 GMT
Lee was very active till february and then suddenly disappeared. I believe a
few people on the ng mailed her to check if she was allright. She promised
to be back. I miss her too!
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134.1/88.4/minigoal 86.2/ Goal 68 Kg
295.6/194.9/minigoal 190/Goal 150 pounds
CL Challenge:
199.5/194.9/185.5 pounds
90.5/88.4/84.1 Kg

> LOL!  Thank you Nathalie!  And believe it or not, I really did miss everyone here.
> It was so nice to come back and see all those familiar faces once again ... all my
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> >Now give yourself some time to care about *you* : you deserve it! All the
> >best, and please post often, I enjoy your posts so much!
Joyce - 30 Apr 2005 04:52 GMT
Thanks so much for the update on Lee.  I'm glad to hear she is alright and look
forward to seeing her again.

Joyce
started ww 2/5/02 --->  228.8/164.5/150ww goal/140ish personal goal
WW GOAL!!!  2/21/03  ---> LIFETIME 4/4/03
PERSONAL GOAL: 5/16/03

>Lee was very active till february and then suddenly disappeared. I believe a
>few people on the ng mailed her to check if she was allright. She promised
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>> Joyce
Prairie Roots - 13 Apr 2005 00:22 GMT
Hello Joyce. What a treat to see your name in the Author list.

I'm sorry to hear about your mother. Alzheimers/dementia is such a
cruel disease, especially for family members. Now that your mother is
at peace, I hope you are able to find some for yourself.

Seems like life just can't be content to throw you one challenge at a
time. You've sure had a lot going on with other family members too.
Thank goodness you've got the grandkids to keep you smiling!

Glad to see you back, Joyce. I'm trying my own comeback as well after
regaining more weight than I care to admit. Job stress, yada yada
yada...

No, being a size 10/12 isn't so bad, which is where I'm at too,
considering that my previous size was 22-24. But the thing is, all of
my summer clothes, which I bought last year, are 6-8. I'm going to be
in real trouble real soon if this warm spring weather continues. None
of my shorts fit, not even my bicycling shorts.

Be patient with yourself Joyce. Do the best you can, and even when it
seems your grief is getting the best of you, remember that you're
still doing your best. Your energy and motivation will kick in
eventually.
--
Linda P

>I return hanging my head a bit.  Not in shame, mind you, just hanging it and
>feeling pretty rotten about myself.  I have no idea what the current weight is,
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>Joyce
Joyce - 22 Apr 2005 08:57 GMT
I really am at peace with mom's passing.  Not to say I don't miss her, I do - but
I think my daughter pegged it perfectly when she told me that she lost her granny
long ago.  The person left in her shell was an imposter, someone we didn't know.
And those dang family members of mine better stop throwing curve balls at me, I'm
pooped!  LOL

Last week I was fearful that those summer clothes would be needed very soon, was
in the 80's here.  Today I'm thinking I have some time ... talking snow again
Saturday. LOL  I love my summer clothes, was so distressed knowing there is no way
I'm gonna squeeze into those 6/8's.  Today I'm thinking there is a way, I can do
it, I will do it ... again.  Will take some time and hard work, but it can be
done.  We proved it before, didn't we???

I'm being patient and trying not to be too hard on myself.  I jumped back into
things this week, so far doesn't seem too difficult.  It's easy when I'm home
alone during the day - this week-end will be interesting. LOL  

Joyce

>Hello Joyce. What a treat to see your name in the Author list.
>
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>still doing your best. Your energy and motivation will kick in
>eventually.
Brenda Hammond - 13 Apr 2005 05:21 GMT
I've been wondering about where you were and if you'd ever be back!
Nice to finally *see* your name here again.

Sorry to hear about your mom.  I know how difficult it is to lose a family
member.  We lost my MIL last August at age 56 from a heart attack and
are still trying to deal with it.  Take time for you and know that we are
all here for you if and when you need us.

Nice update on the rest of the family and glad to hear they are well and
happy.  Take care and see you back here soon.

Brenda

>I return hanging my head a bit.  Not in shame, mind you, just hanging it
>and
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> Joyce
Joyce - 22 Apr 2005 08:59 GMT
Thanks Brenda, and I'm glad to see you're here again too.  I remember you losing
your MIL, think that is when we lost you here for a bit.  

I was hoping you all would still be here, was so glad to see that things haven't
changed much at all.  We're all still trying to accomplish and maintain that same
goal ... health.

Joyce

>I've been wondering about where you were and if you'd ever be back!
>Nice to finally *see* your name here again.
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>> Joyce
Brenda Hammond - 23 Apr 2005 14:59 GMT
I'm glad I'm back as well.  We struggled for quite some time over the loss
of my
MIL.  Some days are still very difficult, especially now that spring has
sprung.  She's
was a wonderful gardener.  She used to give DS a sunflower plant each year
that
she grew from seed.  The one she gave him last year I managed to collect
seeds
from - one germinated and the plant got to be about 3 inches tall, then
died...
I will go and buy him one and we will put it in the garden in memory of her.

Weightwise I have been struggling as well for the last year or so.  I've
been OP
for a few days now, so hopefully that will make a difference on Monday when
I weigh in.

Brenda

> Thanks Brenda, and I'm glad to see you're here again too.  I remember you
> losing
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>>> Joyce
Joyce - 30 Apr 2005 05:06 GMT
It's hard to lose someone so unexpectedly.  I truthfully don't think there is any
way you can prepare for a death, but when losing someone due to a lengthy illness
it seems to be a bit easier to move forward ... no hanging questions or doubts,
some peace knowing they are no longer suffering.  Of course, that is ONLY from my
experiences comparing the loss of my dad (very sudden) and my mom.  Each one of us
handles things differently.

What a wonderful way to remember your MIL!   I am sure she would love it, as well
as your family.

I haven't struggled for a year ... yet ... think the problems for me began
sometime late August/early September.  I managed to stay OP for a few days, then
caved for the balance - with most of the damage occuring after the holidays.
Amazing how fast the weight can pile back on!  I've been back OP for over a week
now, and have to say I really feel sooooooo much better.  I'm thinking it is
helping me to at least have some control over something, instead of letting
everything control me.  I no longer feel like a victim, if that makes any sense at
all.

Joyce

>I'm glad I'm back as well.  We struggled for quite some time over the loss
>of my
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>>>> Joyce
Brenda Hammond - 30 Apr 2005 15:36 GMT
> It's hard to lose someone so unexpectedly.  I truthfully don't think there
> is any
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> one of us
> handles things differently.

Yes it is certainly is hard losing someone so unexpectedly.  We were totally
shocked when
my MIL died last summer.  Actually we're still somewhat in shock.  Handling
it is another
story.  My husband seems to handle things like this much better than I do.
I'm a very
emotional person, so things seem to get to me much more than they do him.

> What a wonderful way to remember your MIL!   I am sure she would love it,
> as well
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> sense at
> all.

My struggle to stay OP has been going on for a long time now.  I was doing
quite
well before DH had his surgery and ensuing problems two years ago (you will
remember what I went through then).  Anyway I began my struggle to stay OP
at
that time, and was never able to completely stick to the program after that.
I
seem to be overeating when I'm or down about things which is a regular
occurrence here lately.  I have an appt. with my doctor on Tuesday to see if
he can suggest or prescribe something to help me.  Other problem is that I'm
having trouble sleeping, then of course I'm a grumpy b***h the next day,
which
is in turn making the rest of the family grumpy as well!

I've resigned myself to the fact that it's possible/likely I have a problem
with
depression.  I've been reading about depression and many of the symptoms
are symptoms I'm experiencing and have been since DH got sick.  It's just
unfortunate if I do have it that I have the "overeating" symptom rather than
the
"undereating" symptom!  Hopefully my doctor can help.

Brenda

> Joyce
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>>>>> Joyce
Prairie Roots - 30 Apr 2005 16:33 GMT
I'm glad to hear you have an appt with your dr to discuss the
possibility that you might be experiencing depression. Since you've
been reading up on it, I'm sure you know that not sleeping well is
another indicator. For me, not sleeping well was the worst aspect of
my depression and gave me reason enough to seek help and relief. For
you, I hope the answer is as simple as a diagnosis and the right
medication. You won't believe how much better you'll feel about your
body, your head, and your life.
--
Linda P

>> It's hard to lose someone so unexpectedly.  I truthfully don't think there
>> is any
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>>>>>> Joyce
Brenda Hammond - 30 Apr 2005 17:03 GMT
When did you seek help?  Was it before you started WW or during?
I'm hoping that he can prescribe me something to get me back to
feeling well and normal.  I've also been having several other symptoms,
among them - headaches and back pain that never seems to go away - both have
been going on for years - but no one could ever diagnose why.  The
only thing that I ever found that helped somewhat was chiropractic
treatments.

Brenda

> I'm glad to hear you have an appt with your dr to discuss the
> possibility that you might be experiencing depression. Since you've
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Prairie Roots - 30 Apr 2005 17:30 GMT
The first time was in 1993, the spring following my divorce. A couple
of years before my marriage ended, I lost a lot of weight in
Overeaters Anonymous, but post-marriage, I regained it all and then
some. Then the other indicators: lack of interest in anything, lack of
energy, inability to focus, bouts of crying for no reason, interrupted
sleep... What put things over the edge for me, and what made a fried
decide to intervene was the day I started crying after a professor
submitted my name for an honors award and I literally could not stop
crying. I'd be worried too if someone I cared about cried non-stop for
4 hours. I cried all through my doctor's appt too.

About a year after my depression got under control, I joined WW and
lost a lot of weight. Kept it off for a while but then the depression
came back, as did the crying and the sleepless nights. That time, I
was already in counseling, and my therapist diagnosed me with
post-traumatic stress disorder. Through individual and group therapy,
I finally came to terms with several leftover issues from childhood. I
didn't take any medication during that time. Maybe I should have.

The third time was in 2000. My life was going pretty well, I wasn't in
counseling any more, but some major changes had occurred at work and I
my bearings. By this time, I knew what crying and sleepless nights
meant, and took my butt to my regular dr and told her I needed zoloft.
I stayed on it for a year and then it took me another year to decide I
needed to do something about my weight. I played with a few weight
loss programs, such as Atkins, I joined the Y and began a regular
exercise program, but nothing worked until I realized I had to control
my eating in a way that both satisfied me and reduced my calorie
intake. That was in Feb 2003. I think I went through a minor
depression this winter, but not so severe that I thought I needed
meds. And now I'm OK again.

Headaches, yeah, I've had my share of headaches. The headaches were
part of the lack of sleep. My headaches, though, were also hormonally
related, and that hasn't been a problem for a few years. One of my
daughters gets migraines that are timed with her monthly cycle.
There's nothing wrong with chiropractic if it helps.

>When did you seek help?  Was it before you started WW or during?
>I'm hoping that he can prescribe me something to get me back to
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Brenda Hammond - 30 Apr 2005 18:09 GMT
Wow, you've had some real bouts with depression.  I know all too
well the symptoms you describe as I'm experiencing those as well
as a few others.  Crying has been a regular occurrence lately too.  DH
is getting concerned and is glad that I've finally made the move to
see my dr. and sort this out.

I still find it hard to believe that I probably am "depressed".  My life
is not a difficult one - our business is thriving and my husband, son
and I are not ill.  We don't have any real financial concerns.  I guess
most of it is due to left-over stress from when DH was ill.  Losing
my MIL and a close friend and my two grandmothers being
diagnosed with cancer.  One of them has had surgery already - the
other is due to have her surgery on May 9.  The other thing that
has been bothering me for awhile is the fact that my perfect life
with friends and family that I love and cherish is changing - as I get
older they are beginning to die off and that for some reason really
gets to me.  It's not like I don't know these things happen - I just
have a hard time adjusting to it.

Brenda

> The first time was in 1993, the spring following my divorce. A couple
> of years before my marriage ended, I lost a lot of weight in
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Prairie Roots - 30 Apr 2005 18:52 GMT
While I was growing up, my mother went through a period of depression
and spent several weeks in a psychiatric unit where she received 6
electroshock treatments. She lost much of her longterm memory, most of
which came back but very very slowly (decades!). Soon after her
release, she attempted suicide. That episode, and the fear of any of
that happening to me, kept me from acknowledging my own periods of
depression (several more than I listed). There have been so many
advances in the treatment of depression, we're lucky to live in a time
where depression is usually treatable with medication. I think I'd
rather be depressed than go through what my mother did.

You went through a lot during your DH's surgery and aftermath. You had
to keep your business going, your household going, your son's daily
needs for physical and parental attention, on top of the nonstop worry
about your husband's health. He was critical for so long... It's no
wonder if your brain chemistry got out sync. And then to have those
other losses too, not just of the people themselves. That's hard
enough. But yes, the loss of the way your life used to be. That kind
of loss is harder to recognize, but it's a loss nonetheless. And
you're preparing yourself for more losses.

As you know from your reading, a person may be prone to depression but
be fine until a situation brings it on. You've described yourself as
an emotional, sensitive person. So I guess I'm not surprised that you
may be susceptible to depression after the situations you've had
recently.

From the accumulation of indicators you've cited, I'd bet money that
your dr will find your picture in a textbook showing a classic case of
clinical depression.

Please do post what you learn on Tuesday. And in the meantime, keep
checking in here as you need to. I'm home all weekend and you can
e-mail me if you want. prairierootsmn@yahoo.nospam.com

Hope lies ahead.
--
Linda P

>Wow, you've had some real bouts with depression.  I know all too
>well the symptoms you describe as I'm experiencing those as well
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Brenda Hammond - 01 May 2005 04:57 GMT
> While I was growing up, my mother went through a period of depression
> and spent several weeks in a psychiatric unit where she received 6
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> where depression is usually treatable with medication. I think I'd
> rather be depressed than go through what my mother did.

I think I'd rather be depressed than go through that too.  What an awful
time it must have been for your mom and the rest of her family as well.

I really haven't been around anyone that was depressed so really didn't
know much about it.  Fortunately I do not have thoughts of suicide or
hurting myself in any way.  I often have wondered though about how
depressed a person has to be to consider suicide - I just can't imagine...

> You went through a lot during your DH's surgery and aftermath. You had
> to keep your business going, your household going, your son's daily
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> of loss is harder to recognize, but it's a loss nonetheless. And
> you're preparing yourself for more losses.

I suppose I am in some ways preparing myself for other losses, but
without realizing that I'm actually doing it.  Does that make sense at all?

> As you know from your reading, a person may be prone to depression but
> be fine until a situation brings it on. You've described yourself as
> an emotional, sensitive person. So I guess I'm not surprised that you
> may be susceptible to depression after the situations you've had
> recently.

I think you are right.  Over the years I can remember myself having the
same feelings and probably being depressed without even knowing that
I was.  I think now though that I can even figure out when those times
were and why it happened.

It's funny you know...my grandma asks me each morning how I've slept
and each morning I say "not very well".  She asked how long I've been
having difficulty sleeping and I said "since I moved out of mom & dad's
house.  That was 22 years ago.

> From the accumulation of indicators you've cited, I'd bet money that
> your dr will find your picture in a textbook showing a classic case of
> clinical depression.

I think you are probably right.  I'll see what he has to say then.  I'm sure
he will have an answer for me.  Thanks for the support.

Brenda

> Please do post what you learn on Tuesday. And in the meantime, keep
> checking in here as you need to. I'm home all weekend and you can
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Joyce - 05 May 2005 06:18 GMT
I'm finding this thread very interesting, as I have gone through 2 diagnosed bouts
of depression.  The first one drove me nuts, chased to doctors endlessly.  I was
recently married, so .... maybe 24???  I was having chest pains, swore it was
heart problems.  One doctor kept telling me it was depression, I thought he was a
quack.  What did I have to be depressed about.  HA!  I've learned more about it
since then.  Depression doesn't mean just feeling sad, doom and gloom, etc.  It is
a chemical imbalance in the brain, often many physical symptoms that would never
point you in the direction of depression.  Medications are not a magic cure.  When
I was first diagnosed, the only med was valium ... it wasn't a commonly diagnosed
illness.  It was my gynecologist that got me into therapy, which made more
difference than the medication.  Medication seemed to get me functioning again,
kind of put things on an even keel so to speak.  Dealing with the underlying
stresses and issues, helping me think a bit more realistically (no dear, everyone
is not trying to poison your food - you CAN eat)  seemed to be the cure.
Evidentally the new marriage, instantly becoming a mom (stepmom), dealing with
ex-wife issues and overbearing MIL issue was more than I could deal with.  What
pushed me over the edge was the tainted tylenol scare in our area (why my brain
was telling me I shouldn't put anything into my mouth).  I still remember that so
vividly ... police cars running through the neighbors with bullhorns, telling all
residents to NOT take tylenol capsules - but not telling why (probably didn't have
time).  I believe it was 5 or 7 area residents that were killed by this incident,
but somehow it was enough to push me into overload mode, and I crashed.

The second time hit me totally by surprise.  Life was grand, everything was good,
no known stresses that I can think of.  I was at bowling and all of a sudden my
heart began racing and knees buckled.  I couldn't walk, the room was spinning.
Hub raced me to the ER where nothing was found and I was sent home.  Again,
thinking I was having a heart attack or stroke.  Downhill fast from there, to the
point of not being able to leave the house alone.  Everytime I left, I had the
panic attacks (same symptoms as above) and ended up calling someone to come rescue
me ... was easier to just stay home until either sonny boy returned from school or
hub from work, to take me on my errands.  About a month or so later, hub took me
to the doctor for a routine checkup.  Doc asked how I was doing, and I said fine -
joked around a bit.  Hub chimed in with "she is non-functional" and I burst into
tears.  It took those words to make me realize that he was right.  I was NOT
functioning at all.  Back on meds which got me over the hump and feeling a bit
better.  Back to all I learned 20 years prior, and lots of forcing myself to get
out - but I was able to get back to normal.  Occassionally I still do get those
panic attacks, but I know the symptoms now and can easily talk myself out of them.

Listen to your doctor and keep in contact with him/her.  They will be able to help
you and get you back to feeling more like yourself again.

Joyce

>When did you seek help?  Was it before you started WW or during?
>I'm hoping that he can prescribe me something to get me back to
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Brenda Hammond - 05 May 2005 15:37 GMT
> I'm finding this thread very interesting, as I have gone through 2
> diagnosed bouts
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> to help
> you and get you back to feeling more like yourself again.

Thanks for the input Joyce.  Whew, you really have had two good bouts of
depression.  Fortunately my symptoms are not the ones you have had, but mine
have scared me enough to know that I do need some help.  My Dr. asked if I
would like to see a therapist, but I don't want to do that just yet.  I'll
wait and see him again in two weeks, then I'll go from there.

> Joyce
>
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Joyce - 06 May 2005 05:32 GMT
>> I'm finding this thread very interesting, as I have gone through 2
>> diagnosed bouts
>> of depression.

<snipped the long boring stuff from me>

to get
>> out - but I was able to get back to normal.  Occassionally I still do get
>> those
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>would like to see a therapist, but I don't want to do that just yet.  I'll
>wait and see him again in two weeks, then I'll go from there.

I think what happened with me was that the first episode became out of control,
due to my ignoring the problems.  The first one was before much information was
publicized about depression, so of course when the first doctor mentioned it I
just thought he found a kind way to tell me I was nuts. <g>  Second time I have no
idea why it hit so fast and hard, can't remember any major life altering
incidents.  

I'm glad you realized that you do need help, and have finally found it.  I get
really irritated with people that tell others to "just get over it" - thinking
depression isn't a real illness.  Don't be afraid of a therapist, they aren't all
bad. I was opposed to going first also, until after the first meeting.  It was
really nice to have someone to talk to.  Someone unbiased who would really listen.
Nothing major was uncovered (that I recall), just gave me a place where I could
vent some things that I hadn't even realized had been upsetting me.  I was
released after a few sessions, was actually told that she thought she would rather
see some other extended members of the family. LOL

Keep us updated on how you are doing!

Joyce
Brenda Hammond - 06 May 2005 14:50 GMT
>>> I'm finding this thread very interesting, as I have gone through 2
>>> diagnosed bouts
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> would rather
> see some other extended members of the family. LOL

I've been to see a therapist in the past for other reasons, which are long
since resolved
now.  Anyway, I remember my first few visits clearly - couldn't stop
crying - so not
much talking done!  After a few visits I was able to actually talk without
crying the
whole time and discuss what was bothering me.  She was helpful and I was
glad that
I went.

I'm going to see how things are when I go back to my Dr. and I may just take
him up
on the offer of a therapist.

> Keep us updated on how you are doing!
>
> Joyce
Joyce - 05 May 2005 05:43 GMT
>> I haven't struggled for a year ... yet ... think the problems for me began
>> sometime late August/early September.  I managed to stay OP for a few
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>the
>"undereating" symptom!  Hopefully my doctor can help.

I do remember what you went through with your hub, you had an awful lot on your
plate at that time ... and in the months that followed.  Everything sort of piles
up, and then we hit overload - don't even realize it when it happens ... I think
anyway.  Ahhhhhhh, good ol' depression ... have had quite a bit of experience with
that myself.  I've been through two serious bouts of it, the first I had the
undereating symptom.  Trust me, that wasn't fun either.  I bottomed out at 101
lbs. before I believed something was wrong with me.  The second time I got hit
with the overeating symptom, but I knew *something* was wrong - just didn't
believe it was the depression again.  You're Dr. can help, provided they don't
just have the mindset of pushing pills and it will all go away (many do).  

Joyce

>Brenda
>
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