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Weight Loss Forum / WeightWatchers / November 2005Activity points
How do you calculate your activity points? The more I read in here the more I'm amazed at the amount of activity points some people give themselves.. I know I'm here as a member not as a leader, but I see trouble brewing for later on.. 1 AP is loosely calculated about 100 calories burned.. to earn 1 AP I have to walk at a good clip for 15 minutes.. to get 2 I gotta go for 35 minutes.. I'm talking walking at a fast pace.. On my big work out days I can get 9 to 12 APs.. I'm talking big work outs.. high intensity training.. I'm well aware of the fact that you have to take weight into account.. but also you gotta take into account the breaks you take and how consistent your level of activity is.. Your not helping yourselves by over estimating your APs.. even if you're loosing now.. later on it might bite you in the behind.. be carefull !  SignatureWill~ "... so that's how liberty ends, in a round of applause." Queen Amidala, The revenge of the Syth. As someone who has gone from morbidly obese to a normal weight I can tell you these people would be well advised to eat their activity points as long as they are losing. It is WAY counterproductive to get in a hurry and end up burning muscle along with fat. It is very hard for a person to burn more than 2 or 3 pounds of fat a week without burning muscle along with it. It is true that these folk will have to cut their points down the road to continue to lose, but if they want to end up eating anything at all when they get close to normal they better take their time, lose it slow, and try and save all the muscle they can. SignatureLesanne > How do you calculate your activity points? > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > Your not helping yourselves by over estimating your APs.. even if you're > loosing now.. later on it might bite you in the behind.. be carefull ! I think the question wasn't eating the points, I think it was accurate calculation of said points, Lee who eats every one she can justify, > As someone who has gone from morbidly obese to a normal weight I can tell > you these people would be well advised to eat their activity points as long [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > > > Queen Amidala, The revenge of the Syth. And there is a benefit to losing slowly and eating all the points one can and still lose at an average of 1 - 2 a week. I get to eat 30 something points daily to maintain, depending upon my exercise level. On days that I work out hard for an hour I eat around 35 points to maintain. I would not be maintaining my loss if I had to consistently eat less than that. It would negatively affect my quality of life. SignatureLesanne > How do you calculate your activity points? > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > Your not helping yourselves by over estimating your APs.. even if you're > loosing now.. later on it might bite you in the behind.. be carefull ! Hum, Lesanne, This is true, but it has nothing whatsoever to do with what I was saying.. SignatureWill~ "... so that's how liberty ends, in a round of applause." Queen Amidala, The revenge of the Syth. > And there is a benefit to losing slowly and eating all the points one can > and still lose at an average of 1 - 2 a week. [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > Your not helping yourselves by over estimating your APs.. even if you're > > loosing now.. later on it might bite you in the behind.. be carefull ! >Hum, Lesanne, This is true, but it has nothing whatsoever to do with what I >was saying.. Could you explain? It seemed to me that you two were talking about the same thing. SignatureKristen >>Hum, Lesanne, This is true, but it has nothing whatsoever to do with what I >>was saying.. > >Could you explain? It seemed to me that you two were talking about the >same thing. It seems to me that Willow is suggesting that one should be accurate about determining how many activity points are actually earned. This is based on her observation that some posters may not be doing so and a concern that this may impact weight loss either now or in the future. Lesanne is making the related and also important point that for many, it is vital to eat up some if not all of those earned activity points. Is that what you ladies were trying to say? Mary Yup.. pretty darn well said actually.. ;op SignatureWill~ "... so that's how liberty ends, in a round of applause." Queen Amidala, The revenge of the Syth. > >>Hum, Lesanne, This is true, but it has nothing whatsoever to do with what I > >>was saying.. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Mary yes SignatureLesanne > >>>Hum, Lesanne, This is true, but it has nothing whatsoever to do with what [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Mary I'm not talking about how to use the activity points, but how to count them. For exemple, if I walk 30 minutes at a slow pace, I earn 1 AP.. not 3... I'll eat it if I feel like it.. that's not the issue.. but if I earn one, count it as 3 and eat 3 pts for it.. then I'm cheating myself by 2 pts.. SignatureWill~ "... so that's how liberty ends, in a round of applause." Queen Amidala, The revenge of the Syth. > >Hum, Lesanne, This is true, but it has nothing whatsoever to do with what I > >was saying.. > > Could you explain? It seemed to me that you two were talking about the > same thing. >I'm not talking about how to use the activity points, but how to count them. > >For exemple, if I walk 30 minutes at a slow pace, I earn 1 AP.. not 3... >I'll eat it if I feel like it.. that's not the issue.. but if I earn one, >count it as 3 and eat 3 pts for it.. then I'm cheating myself by 2 pts.. Ah. Got it. Thank you. SignatureKristen And if you are still losing weight then you in fact need to eat all three. SignatureLesanne > I'm not talking about how to use the activity points, but how to count > them. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >> Could you explain? It seemed to me that you two were talking about the >> same thing. Lets just agree to disagree then.. because I really don't think it's that simple.. Loosing weight in itself doesn't mean a thing if it's not done in a healthy, long lasting manner.. I just started this thread because I was worried for some members in here. I'm just trying to help by sharing my experience as a leader.. I'm sorry.. Guess I should know better. SignatureWill~ "... so that's how liberty ends, in a round of applause." Queen Amidala, The revenge of the Syth. > And if you are still losing weight then you in fact need to eat all three. > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >> Could you explain? It seemed to me that you two were talking about the > >> same thing. > Lets just agree to disagree then.. because I really don't think it's that > simple.. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > I'm just trying to help by sharing my experience as a leader.. I'm sorry.. > Guess I should know better. I think it's good to be reminded now and again. When I started, I looked up the activity points for the swimming I do. My information told me that 15 minutes of continuous swimming was worth two points. I usually swim for an hour, moving constantly, though not always making forward progress. When I started I weighed 60lbs more than I do now, and doing 30 lengths of the pool made me tired and breathless. I did 3 batches of 10 lengths, aiming to be breathless at the end of them, and as I caught my breath for the next set, I'd either tread water or do stretches in the pool in water up to my chin or deeper. Now I manage up to 60 length with shorter breath catching breaks, but I don't count the hour as more points for a higher intensity of effort. The pay-off is that it takes less effort for a slimmer, fitter person to move through the water, so though I do more (and I push for breathless every time I swim), the points remain the same. Every so often I recalculate, but it comes out about the same, so I just go with the flow. I do the same with my walk to school to collect James when I do that: it took longer when I was heavier, but now it takes less time to do the same distance, and the two miles still turn out to be about the same points value. SignatureKate XXXXXX R.C.T.Q Madame Chef des Trolls Lady Catherine, Wardrobe Mistress of the Chocolate Buttons http://www.katedicey.co.uk Click on Kate's Pages and explore! We are not actually disagreeing her other than I feel that if someone is losing they are doing "it" right for their particular body. Each person is a little different. I had several rather sensational failures before I finally got to goal and figured out how to live there. Most of them were from undereating, which lead to eventual burnout and overeating. SignatureLesanne > Lets just agree to disagree then.. because I really don't think it's that > simple.. [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] >> >> Could you explain? It seemed to me that you two were talking about the >> >> same thing. I think she was saying what Lee mentioned, that the method of calculation was off. My point is that if they are losing then they are doing it "right". Trying to do it "exactly" might be very counter-productive. Weight watchers is great, but they do not really adjust the program for the morbidly obese client, there is a maximum number of points that covers a wide variety of weights. The heaviest people also burn a lot more calories just climbing out of a chair, than someone smaller. It is critically important for EVERYONE to not lose too fast. I have seen so many people burn significant muscle mass and end up having to live on a diet that NO person could sustain for a lifetime. And it is a catch 22, because they don't have the nutritional status to be able to sustain the effort of building muscle. SignatureLesanne > >>Hum, Lesanne, This is true, but it has nothing whatsoever to do with what [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Could you explain? It seemed to me that you two were talking about the > same thing. I was responding actually to the statement later in your post that states "Your (sic) not helping yourselves by over estimating your APs.. even if you're loosing (sic) now.. later on it might bite you in the behind.." If they are losing now, then they must not be overestimating their activity points. Or if they are, they are still "helping" themselves by not undereating and trying to lose too fast. If they are not losing then maybe. Also if someone stalls, then would be the time to look at this issue SignatureLesanne > Hum, Lesanne, This is true, but it has nothing whatsoever to do with what > I [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] >> > you're >> > loosing now.. later on it might bite you in the behind.. be carefull ! It's much easier to learn something the right way in the first place than to learn it wrong and then re-learn it right later.. When you first start, it's a lot easier to loose.. I see members EVERY WEEK who are overestimating their activity, underestimating their calories eaten and can't figure out why they were loosing so well at first and now not anymore.. a lot of them end up quiting.. feeling like total failures.. I'd rather see everyone learn how to do this right in the first place and learn to work the program as it is, instead of letting them get away with doing it wrong "cause they are loosing" and then see them confused and frustrated later.. As I said I wasn't pointing at anyone, I'm not telling anyone not to use the APs. I'm just saying make sure you really understand how to count them. Because yes, it's gonna bite them back in the behind later.. I've seen it happen over and over again. There'll be enough plateaus and stumbles already.. no need to add any that can be avoided. SignatureWill~ "... so that's how liberty ends, in a round of applause." Queen Amidala, The revenge of the Syth. > I was responding actually to the statement later in your post that states > "Your (sic) not helping yourselves by over estimating your APs.. even if [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > >> > you're > >> > loosing now.. later on it might bite you in the behind.. be carefull ! Your "right" way may not work for me. My "right" way might not work for you. As someone said, as fitness improves the way you count your activity points today (even if you do it exactly as WW recommends) might not "work" down the road. This is why I use the polar monitor to check every now and then. Technically speaking, if I keep my perceived exertion at the higher end of the scale I ought to burn the same number of points in the same amount of time. The thing is, over the past 20 or so years that I have been working out, it has become harder and harder to generate that level of perceived exertion. When that change happens the best indicator would be a slowdown in my weight loss (while I was losing). As I am aging lots of factors are coming into it. If I change what I am doing it causes a brief boost in calories burned per hour. That drops off while it still feels as if I am working very hard. To suggest that someone could just use the WW slider and accurately figure out activity points, is just not going to work for everyone. Using average weekly weight lost to calculate if you are doing it "right" or not, is usually going to work. SignatureLesanne > It's much easier to learn something the right way in the first place than > to [quoted text clipped - 80 lines] >> >> > loosing now.. later on it might bite you in the behind.. be carefull > ! I have been wondering about this. I won't get to count activity points till next week..but was wondering about that. My leader said 30 minutes of brisk exercise was one point. jojo > How do you calculate your activity points? > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Queen Amidala, The revenge of the Syth. when you get your slider, study it very carefully and it will be fine, Lee > I have been wondering about this. > I won't get to count activity points till next week..but was wondering about [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > > > Queen Amidala, The revenge of the Syth. I do a lot of walking in stores as my activity so I use the on line numbers, unless I feel like I am ready to have a heart event I count all walking as "leisure" walking. I never count regular things except for this walking. NO housework, or any of my paid work which can be extremely physical, *lifting 24 count cases of 20 ounce water and similar* The one exception I make to housework is scrubbing the carpet because I do it with a brush by hand and moving furniture, since I do both at the same time I count it, also at leisure walking points, if I keep track of the time fine, if I forget to log the breaks I count up the minutes then subtract 25 percent. If I didn't have etools I would live by the slidey thing, Lee > How do you calculate your activity points? > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Queen Amidala, The revenge of the Syth. I don't count any of the work I do on my feet, because I am off and on, and it is my regular activity. I do, however count my workout that I do in the morning at a point for the first 20 minutes and then another point for every 10 minutes over the first 20. I got this from my polar heart rate monitor, which measured my metabolic rate and the calculates the calories I burn. After the first 20, it really cranks up. I believe that one major reason I am still at goal after two years is because I get to eat reasonably for my height. I eat more than most of my friends who have lost, and have to re-lose again every 16 months or so. Anyone in this for the long haul who doesn't want to weight cycle for the rest of their lives better watch this :). SignatureLesanne >I do a lot of walking in stores as my activity so I use the on line >numbers, [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] >> >> Queen Amidala, The revenge of the Syth. I do a lot of physical labor. Sometimes after working outside on fences or cleaning the barns for several hours when I calculate the points it seem way to high. So I dont eat them. I will post them in my daily post, and sometimes I'll eat a a couple of extra points. I know one day it said I earned 23pts. We had left early in the morning and didnt come in till late that evening. We walked alot but slowly tieing up new fence. There is no way I would have ever ate 23 extra pts for that day. I did however eat 3 extra. Pigging out on a high activity day I think could lead to trouble later. And I try to under estimate my intensity to . Lori >The more I read in here the more I'm amazed at the amount of activity points >some people give themselves.. I know I'm here as a member not as a leader, >but I see trouble brewing for later on.. SignatureStarting Weight 9/1/05 224, Current Weight 11/11/05 204 Total lose 20 lbs 1st mini goal 199 by 11/23/05 I won't keep trying to explain myself.. it's useless.. I was honestly trying to help out.. I won't again believe me. Sorry everyone SignatureWill~ "... so that's how liberty ends, in a round of applause." Queen Amidala, The revenge of the Syth. > I do a lot of physical labor. Sometimes after working outside on fences or > cleaning the barns for several hours when I calculate the points it seem way [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >some people give themselves.. I know I'm here as a member not as a leader, > >but I see trouble brewing for later on.. I know exactly what you meant. Continue to help :) Audrey >I won't keep trying to explain myself.. it's useless.. I was honestly >trying [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > leader, >> >but I see trouble brewing for later on.. There is nothing as useful to learning as a good debate, because everyone IS different and when people share what works for them, others who are like them learn, and maybe some who disagree might be compelled to try the other persons suggestions later. It is nothing personal. You get to be OLD like me and you will value this type of discussion. This comment sounds a little "young". >>>I won't again believe me.>> If you participate in a newsgroup you won't be able to resist stating your opinions, and frankly neither will anyone else. No one here is the expert on what works for everyone, or someone would be very very rich. My opinion is not a personal attack on you, it is just me saying what works for me. And I don't participate enough to know who was EATING a ton of activity points, although I did see one woman record an awful lot which made me look at her journal, where I could see she wasn't eating all of them anyway. SignatureLesanne >I know exactly what you meant. Continue to help :) > Audrey [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] >> leader, >>> >but I see trouble brewing for later on.. I didn't see your words as an attack on me.. I rather thought that my words were hurting people See my answer to Kristen.. I'm too tired and too lazy to retype. By the way.. I've been online since 1994.. think I kinda know how being online works.. Will~ "... so that's how liberty ends, in a round of applause." Queen Amidala, The revenge of the Syth. > There is nothing as useful to learning as a good debate, because everyone IS > different and when people share what works for them, others who are like [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > >> leader, > >>> >but I see trouble brewing for later on.. http://www.weightadviser.com/Uwe/Forums.aspx/diet-weightwatchers/200511/1 Ah. Communication online is always going to help some people and potentially cause minor hurt to others isn't it? I know I learn a lot from civil disagreements. SignatureLesanne >I didn't see your words as an attack on me.. I rather thought that my words > were hurting people [quoted text clipped - 72 lines] >> >>> > http://www.weightadviser.com/Uwe/Forums.aspx/diet-weightwatchers/200511/1 >I won't keep trying to explain myself.. it's useless.. I was honestly trying >to help out.. I won't again believe me. I hope you don't react this way when someone in your face-to-face group challenges something you think you are 100% right about. SignatureKristen My members disagree with me very often and I never had a problem with it.. on the contrary, my goal as a leader is to get the discussion going and that helps.. I'm also (or was back home) a teacher of ethics.. so I don't have a problem with debates and disagreaments.. it's my field of study. I don't pretend to know everything for the simple reason that I don't.. and I actually enjoy disagreaments, as long as they don't hurt people I care about. I'm trying, unsuccessfully it seems, to back out of this discussion because in my trying to help out, I seem to have hurt people, which is the opposite of what I was trying to do. Since being online is very different than being face to face, I'd rather back out than cause further hurt by trying to make things right. Don't be so quick to judge Kristen, online you get words only, no tone of voice, no body language...it's very easy to misunderstand.. and misjudge. SignatureWill~ "... so that's how liberty ends, in a round of applause." Queen Amidala, The revenge of the Syth. > >I won't keep trying to explain myself.. it's useless.. I was honestly trying > >to help out.. I won't again believe me. > > I hope you don't react this way when someone in your face-to-face > group challenges something you think you are 100% right about. >My members disagree with me very often and I never had a problem with it.. >on the contrary, my goal as a leader is to get the discussion going and that [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >actually enjoy disagreaments, as long as they don't hurt people I care >about. I'm glad. I wonder why this disagreement seems to have played out so differently, then. >I'm trying, unsuccessfully it seems, to back out of this discussion because >in my trying to help out, I seem to have hurt people, which is the opposite >of what I was trying to do. Since being online is very different than being >face to face, I'd rather back out than cause further hurt by trying to make >things right. Yet you don't appear willing to try the obvious -- conceding that it might make sense for morbidly obese persons to do what works and not necessarily what Weight Watchers teaches about activity points. Or, if you cannot in good conscience concede that, offer to amicably agree to disagree. >Don't be so quick to judge Kristen, online you get words only, no tone of >voice, no body language...it's very easy to misunderstand.. and misjudge. I was not quick to judge, or to respond. I waited until the *second* time you wrote something along the lines of "fine! if you aren't going to listen to me I'm not going to try to help any more!" There's no version of rhetoric in which that is amicable. SignatureKristen Believe what you will Kristen, I've given my explanation, you do what you want with it.. I don't agree with that statement that morbidly obese people should count activity points differently than other members. I'm a leader, I live and teach the Weight Watchers program. I believe in the program and the science it's based on. So no, I won't concede the point, because I disagree with it. Does it mean that you have to do it my way? not at all.. it's up to you.. if what you're doing works for you.. then go for it.. I think it will cause you troubles later, but hopefully I'm wrong and if I am, good ! Because it means you'll have it easier than I predicted and that's a good thing. As for not trying to help anymore, I'm not going to, unless asked for it. I went at it the wrong way, and did hurt some people. There's this funny thing called email that people can communicate with. Some people, instead of causing troubles in a group, will use email and say what they have to say. And they have. I apologized to them by email. I am happy that they took the time to explain themselves and accepted my apologies :o) After that I tried to back out here on the group.. and would really appreciate it if it could be over. You can take every single one of my post sentence by sentence and analyse to find any offensive statement. You will probably find some, because when one's looking for problems, there's always a way to find some. I apologized by email, I apologize here. If I offended anybody that I don't know about, please accept my apologies. Now can we please drop the whole thing? You don't have to like me, you don't have to agree with me. If I offended you also, I apologize. I'm not here to cause troubles, I'm here to share and to support others and to have fun. End of the story. SignatureWill~ "... so that's how liberty ends, in a round of applause." Queen Amidala, The revenge of the Syth. > >My members disagree with me very often and I never had a problem with it.. > >on the contrary, my goal as a leader is to get the discussion going and that [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > to listen to me I'm not going to try to help any more!" There's no > version of rhetoric in which that is amicable. Willow I'm sorry I guess I didn't completely explain myself. Sometimes when I have a high activity day and calculate the points. It's seems to high for my way of thinking. So sometimes I wonder if I am over stating my intensity. So I try to never eat all the activity points just in case I am. We all see things from a different prospective. And sometimes we think we are working or playing harder then we are. At the same time I think some of us could be under estimating ourselves too. I would prefer to under estimate then to over estimate. Because like you I feel that we could be creating problems later down the weight lose road. Lori >I won't keep trying to explain myself.. it's useless.. I was honestly trying >to help out.. I won't again believe me. SignatureStarting Weight 9/1/05 224, Current Weight 11/11/05 204 Total lose 20 lbs 1st mini goal 199 by 11/23/05 :o) SignatureWill~ "... so that's how liberty ends, in a round of applause." Queen Amidala, The revenge of the Syth. > Willow > I'm sorry I guess I didn't completely explain myself. Sometimes when I have [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >I won't keep trying to explain myself.. it's useless.. I was honestly trying > >to help out.. I won't again believe me. I'm new here, but if you stop losing weight, it's probably because you are either eating the wrong things, or amounts, OR can be under eathing as a result of miscalculation of activity points. >Willow > I'm sorry I guess I didn't completely explain myself. Sometimes when I have [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >>I won't keep trying to explain myself.. it's useless.. I was honestly trying >>to help out.. I won't again believe me. what I do is calculate everything as leisure walking from the WW site, that way I get some but not too many, Lee > I do a lot of physical labor. Sometimes after working outside on fences or > cleaning the barns for several hours when I calculate the points it seem way [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > Message posted via WeightAdviser.com > http://www.weightadviser.com/Uwe/Forums.aspx/diet-weightwatchers/200511/1 |
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