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Weight Loss Forum / WeightWatchers / February 2006Nerves
Does anyone else get nervous on weigh-in day? While standing in line, I find myself going through anxiety that I haven't experienced since being in the principal's office when I was a kid. My weigh-in is in 2 hours and it's already starting. It's not nervous about the leader or the person(s) recording it or what they think. Just anxt over what that damn scale will say. Don't even know why I care. Clothes are starting to fit a little better, I have a little more energy, my appetite has shrunk, and other physiological signs are all telling me that this is doing my body good regardless of what the scale says. Luckily it's not the kind of nervousness that makes me want to eat. If anything it makes me want to starve myself for the day. ----------------------------------------------------- | *Bazooka-Joe* | | | | 232.2 / 220.4 / 209(WW) / 32" waiste (Personal) | ----------------------------------------------------- Yes :)  SignatureLesanne > Does anyone else get nervous on weigh-in day? While standing in line, > I find myself going through anxiety that I haven't experienced since [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > | 232.2 / 220.4 / 209(WW) / 32" waiste (Personal) | > ----------------------------------------------------- > Does anyone else get nervous on weigh-in day? While standing in line, > I find myself going through anxiety that I haven't experienced since > being in the principal's office when I was a kid. Muuahahaha that is such a good analogy ! Just like it ! My weigh-in is in 2 > hours and it's already starting. It's not nervous about the leader or > the person(s) recording it or what they think. Just anxt over what > that damn scale will say. Don't even know why I care. Because no matter how much we try not to, we a.ses our success on that number going down. It's sad, it's wrong, but we all do it. Success is forming new good habits to replace the bad ones; success is feeling better in our clothes, in our body; success is being able to look at ourselves in the mirror and say "I'm doing the right thing"; success is getting a healthy body that can keep up with our enthusiasm; success is not a number on the scale. Clothes are > starting to fit a little better, I have a little more energy, my > appetite has shrunk, and other physiological signs are all telling me > that this is doing my body good regardless of what the scale says. Celebrate that !! > Luckily it's not the kind of nervousness that makes me want to eat. If > anything it makes me want to starve myself for the day. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > | 232.2 / 220.4 / 209(WW) / 32" waiste (Personal) | > ----------------------------------------------------- We're all in the same boat.. I really like the principal office visit analogy.. so true.. Will~ and this is why you look for the NSV, finding things like you listed in the starting post are those non scale victories that are the antidote to the tyranny, Lee > > Does anyone else get nervous on weigh-in day? While standing in line, > > I find myself going through anxiety that I haven't experienced since [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > analogy.. so true.. > Will~ > We're all in the same boat.. I really like the principal office visit > analogy.. so true.. People really get nervous like that? The most I get is a little excited if I think I've had a good week, but the excitement doesn't hit until I step on the scale, and then it doesn't have time to rev very far, so it's not a big thing. Why do you get nervous? Surely you know if you were OP during the week or not, and so you have a good idea what will probably happen, and even if you're wrong, you won't be wrong by very much. Especially if you've been at it for more than three months and are used to the program. Given you know what you ate, and you know how you behaved (exercise or whatnot), and you know what's going on with your body (medication-inspired water retention, etc).. how can you be that nervous about the outcome? Not saying, like, 'you're broken' or something, I just can't see it myself. -Tay after 174 weeks it still bothers me, not like it used to, but its sort of a "judgment" and the way my body works, it has no week to week relationship to how I eat, I have to keep on the big picture track, Lee > > We're all in the same boat.. I really like the principal office visit > > analogy.. so true.. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > -Tay > People really get nervous like that? Yes some people really do. In my case it is not about weight, it is about authority or something, like going to the Doctor. I have had too many people in my life make ugly comments, before I had the self esteem to realize that they are just Nucking Futs, like George for instance, as opposed to there being something wrong about ME> In Joe's case who knows what it is, but I accept that it is, and feel some empathy for him. The most I get is a little excited > if I think I've had a good week, but the excitement doesn't hit until I > step on the scale, and then it doesn't have time to rev very far, so it's > not a big thing. I say lucky you. Is there anything irrational you do feel jittery about ? Lets ask why and share. > Why do you get nervous? Surely you know if you were OP during the week or > not, and so you have a good idea what will probably happen, and even if > you're wrong, you won't be wrong by very much. Surely I have a scale at home and even know what I will weigh. It doesn't do a thing for that feeling of nerves, which is not about how I did. I think Joe explained that he pretty well knows he is right, but feels it anyway. I relate. I frankly enjoy going to the dentist. How do you feel about that? Is that good for you? You know what will happen after all, you have been (or not) taking care of your teeth? Especially if you've > been at it for more than three months and are used to the program. Given > you know what you ate, and you know how you behaved (exercise or whatnot), [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > -Tay > I say lucky you. Is there anything irrational you do feel jittery about ? > Lets ask why and share. I can't think of anything offhand.. the annual gynecology visit I get impossibly nervous about, 160/100bp, sweating, hyperventilation, the works, but that's always been the most painful thing to happen to me. It feels like someone's stuck a knife in there and is tearing and ripping flesh apart. So I think that qualifies as rational, since I don't fear being there, I just fear the pain, and fearing pain is normal. I get a little nervous about the dentist, but that's because every time I go in I have to remind them I've got sensitive teeth and please don't use the icy water on me, and then wait to see if they actually remember when they get there. But that's more 'ow, hey, come on' than anything else. Well now hey, there's one. Maybe. If I'm having any serious work done (like the massive deep clean and some cavity fills I had a few years back when I'd been without insurance and dental visits for seven years), I get nervous that they'll jab a nerve with the needle and cut my tongue with the drill. But both of those have happened to me more than once before, and since then I've just asked them to sedate me since that way I don't feel the needles and they can block my tongue down. I'm not sure if that counts as irrational or not. But it also doesn't have me sitting in the waiting room squirming and sweating, I'm only nervous once I'm in the chair when they're standing there with a needle. I actually enjoyed having my wisdom teeth out: it was fun to watch the reflection in the visor. I've also got a massive fear of hornets, but I'm really allergic to them too. So I don't know if that counts either. I'll keep trying to come up with things. At the moment I'm hungry and trying to figure out what I want for dinner, so fears are hard to think of, irrational or otherwise :) -Tay Gynae doesn't bother me (not after having a baby!), teeth don't bother me (like going to the dentist better than the hairdresser!)... Not bothered by spiders (though not keen on really big ones), never screamed at a mouse... Loathe rats, but I'm not exactly afraid of them. No, what gets me is... SLIMY ROTTING VEGETABLES IN THE FRIDGE! AKK!! RUN AWAY! Hubby has to deal with them - especially potatoes! SignatureKate XXXXXX R.C.T.Q Madame Chef des Trolls Lady Catherine, Wardrobe Mistress of the Chocolate Buttons http://www.katedicey.co.uk Click on Kate's Pages and explore! Dentist.. dentist are evil.. > Gynae doesn't bother me (not after having a baby!), teeth don't bother me > (like going to the dentist better than the hairdresser!)... Not bothered [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > SLIMY ROTTING VEGETABLES IN THE FRIDGE! AKK!! RUN AWAY! Hubby has to > deal with them - especially potatoes! My Dad was a research scientist, of the dental sort. I hung out in the lab a lot since I adored my Dad. I even love the smell of dentists offices. SignatureLesanne > Dentist.. dentist are evil.. > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >> SLIMY ROTTING VEGETABLES IN THE FRIDGE! AKK!! RUN AWAY! Hubby has to >> deal with them - especially potatoes! I can accept that, Lee > My Dad was a research scientist, of the dental sort. I hung out in the lab a > lot since I adored my Dad. I even love the smell of dentists offices. [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > >> http://www.katedicey.co.uk > >> Click on Kate's Pages and explore! *shivers* I had a knee surgery while I was looking at it (that was sooooooooo cool) but dentist.. *shivers* it's the drill that gets me. > My Dad was a research scientist, of the dental sort. I hung out in the lab > a lot since I adored my Dad. I even love the smell of dentists offices. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >>> SLIMY ROTTING VEGETABLES IN THE FRIDGE! AKK!! RUN AWAY! Hubby has to >>> deal with them - especially potatoes! that's a new one for me, Lee > Gynae doesn't bother me (not after having a baby!), teeth don't bother > me (like going to the dentist better than the hairdresser!)... Not [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > http://www.katedicey.co.uk > Click on Kate's Pages and explore! Well, as a nurse, I can say that the annual is not Supposed to hurt. Mayhap you might think of changing docs? Or if there is some comorbid condition that causes pain Get one that Will Give You Medication first..... :( There is just no excuse for you to experience pain in that situation, no excuse At All. SignatureLesanne > >> I say lucky you. Is there anything irrational you do feel jittery about ? [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > -Tay > Well, as a nurse, I can say that the annual is not Supposed to hurt. Mayhap > you might think of changing docs? Or if there is some comorbid condition > that causes pain Get one that Will Give You Medication first..... :( There > is just no excuse for you to experience pain in that situation, no excuse At > All. She thinks it's just because I don't have sex. She's looked, and there's absolutely nothing wrong with me, currently or in my past (no abdominal trauma, nothing except one lumbar xray series once), and by all accounts I'm perfectly healthy. The only other thing she can think of is that since I haven't had sex in four or five years, it's just I'm not stretchy. And those big metal speculums don't help. But the pain's been getting worse every year, the longer I go without sex, and she does try to be careful (I have a posteriorly located cervix, and she remembers that every time).. it's just not enough. I did have one nurse practitioner see me once (before insurance), and she managed to do it so I barely felt it. But I was also having sex back then, and she used a plastic speculum, and those look smaller (the current doc says they are, which is why her office doesn't use them: they can't see as well to get their sample). I do like this one as a doctor in general, tho. She recognizes I'm intelligent and will let me manage my own medications, so long as I talk it out with her first and it's not crazy/harmful. She'll actually listen to what I say, and not just talk over me and ignore things, like one doc I had did. Well, more than one, but only one gyn. And she doesn't nag me about my weight every time I see her. She's ecstatic that I'm losing now, and she hugged me and made a happy little note on my chart about my yearly loss when I went in, and I really do like her. It's just the exams. But that's an idea, I may talk to her next year and see if she'll give me something pre-exam, since she knows the pain isn't indicative of anything. I've tried taking 1000mg of ibuprofen before exams, and that doesn't help (not really a surprise, it doesn't do much of anything for my cramps, either), so I'd definitely need something prescription. Like morphine. Morphine is lovely :) -Tay you are joking about the dentist??? Lee > > People really get nervous like that? > [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > > > -Tay Nope, see post about Dad. I also have no cavities at all, but I glow in the dark.... SignatureLesanne > you are joking about the dentist??? Lee >> [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] >> > >> > -Tay snort, Lee > Nope, see post about Dad. I also have no cavities at all, but I glow in the > dark.... [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > >> > > >> > -Tay As a leader I can tell you that 85% at least, of the members are nervous, so am I... is it irrational? Probably, at some level anyway, but then, isn't it irrational to let your weight get out of control to where you need help to get a grip on it? No it's not, does it make sense? Nope it doesn't. But still, how many Americans are overweight now? How many of them know what they should do about it? How many actually do it? Does it make sense? This is not about what "make sense" this is about emotions, feelings, and those don't have to make sense, they just are. The thing is to learn to deal with them. Not a problem for you? awesome, keep up the good work, but keep in mind that your strenghts are not the same as others and "vice versa". I used to have a pet Tarentula, love'em. My friend is terrified of them. but then I'm terrified of ants, which she don't mind in the slightest.. to each their own. Will~ >> We're all in the same boat.. I really like the principal office visit >> analogy.. so true.. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > -Tay > This is not about what "make sense" this is about emotions, feelings, and > those don't have to make sense, they just are. The thing is to learn to deal > with them. Not a problem for you? awesome, keep up the good work, but keep > in mind that your strenghts are not the same as others and "vice versa". Yeah, I can accept it, it just never occured to me anybody would be that nervous. Another one of those things that's so different from me I just can't relate to it. Like how I can't fathom that there are women out there who'd rather get beaten to death than stand up for themselves (not that I want to open that can of worms, it's just a plot from a L&O I caught earlier this week and it sprang to mind as an example). So different and weird. To me. -Tay I understand what you are saying, and know you don't mean it in a judgemental way. Keep in mind though, that for many of us, Weight Watchers is the one place that we can come and not feel different and/or weird. That the very core of the whole Weight Watchers entity. When it comes to feeling related to food, and to weight loss, nowhere else can I go and share and not feel like the weirdo of the place. We obviously aren't all the same, and have different strenghts and issues.. Each and every one of them are valid though, fully and completely. I hope what I'm saying makes sense, I'm not offended, or trying to offend you, just trying to explain how I feel about it. I've been feeling like a weirdo, relating to food, for a long time, and still was overweight for only about 3 years.. I'm thinking about growing up feeling like that.. not a good image.. :o( Will~ >> This is not about what "make sense" this is about emotions, feelings, and >> those don't have to make sense, they just are. The thing is to learn to [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > -Tay > I hope what I'm saying makes sense, I'm not offended, Good :) > or trying to offend you, No worries :) > weirdo, relating to food, for a long time, and still was overweight for only > about 3 years.. I'm thinking about growing up feeling like that.. not a good > image.. :o( I was overweight as a teenager, and the only reason it ever bothered me was because I didn't have as many friends because I wasn't skinny like the rest of them (mind you, in highschool I was only about 30lbs overweight, so not very far). I mean, my mom's whole insanity bothered the hell out of me because it was insane, but it also irritated me because I didn't *feel* bad. Physically I was content with my condition, I didn't feel like I was missing out on anything, I didn't really see my weight as a big problem. And back then, it wasn't. It was the rebelling and avoiding the issue later that got me. Relatedly, I don't seem to have that emotional eating thing most other people do. I get nauseous if I'm upset/depressed, and if I'm anything else I'm generally just not thinking about food. This also was a big part of the problem for me, I ignore my stomach until I actively think about food. WW has actually kicked me into thinking about it, and that's the major way it's helped me. Well, that, and actually seeing how much crap is in some of the stuff I didn't know about before. So I tend to be hungrier now that I'm losing weight, but not because I'm starving: it's because I never paid attention to my hunger before. So good and bad. Anyway, husband's nagging me to bed. Guess I should be a nice girl and go tuck him in :P -Tay i also do not eat when stressed, Lee > > I hope what I'm saying makes sense, I'm not offended, > [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > -Tay your example is also about emotions, some people are so starved for attention that getting hit is better than getting ignored, friends in family services say that a child will stand there with bruises you KNOW came from a fist and swear they fell down, Lee > > This is not about what "make sense" this is about emotions, feelings, and > > those don't have to make sense, they just are. The thing is to learn to deal [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > -Tay There's the fact they are seeking attention, there's also the "he's gonna kill me if I say anything" part too.. Been there.. Will~ > your example is also about emotions, some people are so starved for > attention that getting hit is better than getting ignored, friends in [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] >> >> -Tay yes, I have also, but then we are both elsewhere now, Lee > There's the fact they are seeking attention, there's also the "he's gonna > kill me if I say anything" part too.. [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > >> > >> -Tay Oh yes, very very far away from it now ;o) Will~ > yes, I have also, but then we are both elsewhere now, Lee >> There's the fact they are seeking attention, there's also the "he's gonna [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] >> >> >> >> -Tay >> This is not about what "make sense" this is about emotions, feelings, and >> those don't have to make sense, they just are. The thing is to learn to [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > caught earlier this week and it sprang to mind as an example). So > different and weird. To me. L&O is one of my favorite shows. I think I know the episode you are talking about. > -Tay > As a leader I can tell you that 85% at least, of the members are nervous, > so am I... is it irrational? Probably, at some level anyway, but then, [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > but then I'm terrified of ants, which she don't mind in the slightest.. to > each their own. Spiders are my biggest fear I think. I really freak if one is on me or near me, or surprises me, say if I'm doing laundry and there's one in the basket. Almost need a straight jacket! > Will~ > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >> >> -Tay And last time we had ants in the house (there's ants EVERYWHERE IN THIS TOWN) I get out and call my husband. I'm not entering the house until it's figured out. I've dropped many Weight Watchers meetings because there were ants in the place.. Will~ >> As a leader I can tell you that 85% at least, of the members are nervous, >> so am I... is it irrational? Probably, at some level anyway, but then, [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] >>> >>> -Tay > And last time we had ants in the house (there's ants EVERYWHERE IN THIS > TOWN) I get out and call my husband. I'm not entering the house until it's > figured out. There are always ants in our apartment. Little ones, that get into everything. Sometimes they're on a mission, and you can see a line of them leading directly to the trash, or whatever crumb they fancy this week. A lot of the time I just see them crawling around on the kitchen counter, three or four of them and no more. I squish the ones I find, or spray them if there's a horde. They used to make me twitch a little, in the 'agh, tickly little bug crawling on me, eek!' way, but anymore it's just 'bah, another damn stupid ant, *squish*'. I'm looking forward to moving to a house where we don't share walls (and thus bugs) with neighbors. Not having to empty out the pantry every month or two will be nice. -Tay invest in the 2 gallon Ziploc freezer bags, not just the regular but the freezer, does great with creepy crawlies, Lee, who lives in the middle of corn fields, if it wiggles it tries to live here > > And last time we had ants in the house (there's ants EVERYWHERE IN THIS > > TOWN) I get out and call my husband. I'm not entering the house until it's [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > -Tay A poster here once called it tyranny of the scale fits well, Lee > Does anyone else get nervous on weigh-in day? While standing in line, > I find myself going through anxiety that I haven't experienced since [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > | 232.2 / 220.4 / 209(WW) / 32" waiste (Personal) | > ----------------------------------------------------- Joe I no longer get nervous. I've been doing WW off and on for 32 years! It was just this year that I stopped eating breakfast before my WI. My feeling was you are what you are and tomorrow or even later today your weight will fluctuate. It takes a long time to stop putting pressure on yourself and that's what happens when you are nervous at the scale. It is also why people beat up themselves if they think they haven't done as well as they should. I hope you get to that point too. It makes it so much easier. Audrey I don't get nervous, just apprehensive!!! =) I've gained 4 lbs these last two weeks, but I am back on track now! -Julia > I don't get nervous, just apprehensive!!! =) > > I've gained 4 lbs these last two weeks, but I am back on track now! > > -Julia It's sad to read reports like these: - I've gained 4 lbs these last two weeks, but I am back on track now! - I've been doing WW off and on for 32 years! - Does anyone else get nervous on weigh-in day? I think these reports can be explained by two facts: 1. WW is a social club, not a serious weight-loss regimen. People with weight loss issues don't motivate others in the same situation by gathering and commiserating with each other. The human body can safely lose 5 to 10 pounds per week. For people whose health is in jeopardy, what excuse is there not to lose weight at the fastest safe rate? 2. WW encourages members to consider their favorite unhealthful (high-calorie, nil-nutrition) foods as "treats". This view makes it too easy and common for members to yo-yo and *at best* get to a lifelong maintenance program and never be cured. WW is a business first and foremost. They succeed by playing to the "I want it all" mentality of people. Why would anyone pay WW for 32 years for a weight loss program and not lose weight? Anybody suspect there might be a better way - one that's in the members' interests? Too sensitive a question for any considered responses? > The human body can safely lose 5 to 10 pounds per week. For people whose > health is in jeopardy, what excuse is there not to lose weight at the > fastest safe rate? Study: Medically safe rate of weight loss for the treatment of obesity: CONCLUSION: Risk of gallstone formation in obese persons during active weight loss seems to increase in an exponential fashion. The data suggest that rates of weight loss should not exceed an average of 1.5 kg per week. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=7 847427&dopt=Abstract Michigan Surgeon General Characteristics of Safe Weight Loss Programs It should recommend a rate of weight loss of no more than 1-2 pounds per week. http://www.michigan.gov/surgeongeneral/0,1607,7-216-33084_33092_33098-102780--,0 0.html Consumer Information Center: Setting Goals for Healthy Weight Loss For safe and healthy weight loss, try not to exceed a rate of two pounds per week. http://www.pueblo.gsa.gov/cic_text/health/setgoals/setgoals.htm Shape Magazine: 5 crucial stats for weight loss so to lose 1 pound a week, a safe rate of weight loss... http://www.shape.com/livehealthy/7189 Atkins Diet: Phase Two: Ongoing Weight Loss Weight loss slows to a recommended 1-2 pounds per week. http://lowcarbdiets.about.com/od/atkinsdiet/p/atkins2.htm Mayo Clinic: Weight loss: 6 strategies for success Healthy weight loss occurs slowly and steadily. Aim to lose 1 to 2 pounds a week. Losing weight more rapidly means losing water weight or muscle tissue, rather than fat. http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/weight-loss/HQ01625 > Too sensitive a question for any considered responses? 6 different resources that say you are wrong. I realize you don't really want considered responses, you want someone to agree with you and will write off all of these sources in favor of the voices in your head. This is why no one is going to play your game except your sock puppets. You're just blatantly wrong and too ignorant to acknowledge the possibility. While there are many other resources (non-WW related) that show your other points are just also wrong, I am not going to spend the time since it will just be ignored while you wallow in your victimhood. Of course now this will be called "name-calling" and "emotion" and the six valid and varied resources that I've provided - none of which are WW - will be ignored so that you can continue to keep up the fantasy that you are simply a victim of the evil and profane volleyballchick. And BTW, learn how to use your stupid computer and stop emailing me. Signaturethe volleyballchick Nunya, repeat over and over Don't respond to the troll! Don't respond to the troll! Don't respond to the troll! >> The human body can safely lose 5 to 10 pounds per week. For people >> whose health is in jeopardy, what excuse is there not to lose weight [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] > that you are simply a victim of the evil and profane volleyballchick. > And BTW, learn how to use your stupid computer and stop emailing me. Good example of my basic point. Weight is a deeply personal issue that most people can deal with only in an emotional manner. It's no coincidence that these same people remain overweight. The few who can deal with the subject objectively and take charge of their lives, cure their problem. Top athletes and successful people in general don't sit around and commiserate with people who can't help them. Don't look to overweight people for advice on losing weight. > Nunya, repeat over and over > [quoted text clipped - 55 lines] >> you are simply a victim of the evil and profane volleyballchick. And BTW, >> learn how to use your stupid computer and stop emailing me. George, It seems that you are as addicted to dealing out insults and being disrespectful as I am to chocolate. Too bad they don't have a "social club" for you to go to. As far as your comments regarding my 4 lb gain.... nice one, job accomplished. You are truly at the top of your game in digging into a chunky girl you've never met before. Your parents would be so proud. Wow, what a contribution to humanity you've proved to be. > George, > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Wow, what a contribution to humanity you've proved to be. Julia, Consider the source. Here you are taking an active step toward changing your life. You will be happy, active, and successful and he'll still be in his parents' basement making up friends to talk to online. It really isn't rocket science to see the fact that he's a liar and totally stupid to boot. Opinions of his matter for nothing. Signaturethe volleyballchick you know I was thinking, he does have an emotional investment in people staying fat, if we all manage to lose weight, he won't be able to feel superior to anyone, and he won't have anyone to be attracted to, Lee > > George, > > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > -- > the volleyballchick Well how do you know he isn't fat? Really, his crusade against WW is just too bizarre. I think he's one of those fat-acceptance folks who went to WW, found out it was actually work and the program doesn't just perform some kind of magic so now he's got a grudge against those of us who actually can and do succeed at weight loss. I notice he leaves the ASD group alone mostly which is just another support group for people losing weight and taking advice from others who have done it. He'd get really eaten alive there ;) Signaturethe volleyballchick > you know I was thinking, he does have an emotional investment in people > staying fat, if we all manage to lose weight, he won't be able to feel [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] >> -- >> the volleyballchick > you know I was thinking, he does have an emotional investment in people > staying fat, if we all manage to lose weight, he won't be able to feel > superior to anyone, and he won't have anyone to be attracted to, Lee Actually, you're exactly right. I would be happy if obesity were eliminated. I don't see WW doing the job, though. To really lose weight and CURE overweight permanently: 1. Don't rely on a social club where all members have the same problem. You can't learn there, and you have no examples to follow. 2. Stay away permanently from high-calorie nil-nutrition "food" (sometimes called "treats"). Not even a bite. These principles are what achievers in other fields follow. Put aside emotional issues and half-hearted measures. Do what every person has the ability to do but only the achievers actually do: strictly control your food intake. And leave your posturing at the door. It hasn't served you well so far. Acutally, As I was writing that part about his insults, I was feeling quite motivated to stay more on track than before. Imagining his life, though, I thought I would let him know that even if he is a creep - at least he's a decent one. If you're going to be a pimple on the bootie of humanity - why not be the largest? =) Julia Math Geeks Rule It's a teacher thing, ignorance just irritates the hell out of me. Blatant stupidity is another issue altogether and I know this is what we're dealing with. It wouldn't take a rocket scientist reading his inane responses to see that he's got some major issues. Signaturethe volleyballchick > Nunya, repeat over and over > [quoted text clipped - 55 lines] >> you are simply a victim of the evil and profane volleyballchick. And BTW, >> learn how to use your stupid computer and stop emailing me. Amen to that Volleyball! I agree with the teacher response - for Pete's sake - how can people get off on being nothing but a jerk - veiled insults under the guise of "intelligent help."?? Although truly, ignoring the trolls is the best line of defense, when you can't drop them from your class. =) How lonely his life must be. He is investing an incredible amount of time to get angry responses. -Julia he has to get off somehow and I am sure there is no other human being interested, Lee > Amen to that Volleyball! > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > time to get angry responses. > -Julia You can put money on that! =) Julia Guys, at the end of a really long day I must admit that I kind of get a kick from all of you making this guy look as almost as stupid as he is. I weighed in at goal for February yesterday, and didn't even have time to post it but here I am reading this thread. After all the work I did organizing an annotated bibliography on pain assessment in non-verbal dementia patients today, this conversation is a hoot. It is rather bizarre that he spreads his poop here where many people have lost substantial amounts of weight. I kind of doubt his claim that he is of normal weight too. I like the theory that he is an embittered fat acceptance person. It really is a puzzle. A person with no real experience, apparently no knowledge of valid research into the subject and supposedly no weight issues spending time in a group of successful people who DO know what they are doing and trying to "help" by giving them moronic unsubstantiated b.s. advice? It is almost as good for resting the brain as a soap opera would be..... SignatureLesanne > he has to get off somehow and I am sure there is no other human being > interested, Lee [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >> time to get angry responses. >> -Julia > Guys, at the end of a really long day I must admit that I kind of get > a kick from all of you making this guy look as almost as stupid as he [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > them moronic unsubstantiated b.s. advice? It is almost as good for > resting the brain as a soap opera would be..... Congratulations at weighing in at goal. At least you know how to achieve success. Audrey and I am sorry good at being on goal, Lee > > Guys, at the end of a really long day I must admit that I kind of get > > a kick from all of you making this guy look as almost as stupid as he [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Audrey that is why I say his weight doesn't matter, only someone who is attracted to heavier people would put this much work into this crusade, Lee > Guys, at the end of a really long day I must admit that I kind of get a kick > from all of you making this guy look as almost as stupid as he is. I weighed [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > >> time to get angry responses. > >> -Julia No, no attraction in the least. I dated a heavy woman once and swore I'd never do it again. Most men feel the same way, if you haven't noticed. All the more reason to find a weight loss program that's effective. > that is why I say his weight doesn't matter, only someone who is attracted > to heavier people would put this much work into this crusade, Lee [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] >> >> time to get angry responses. >> >> -Julia > Amen to that Volleyball! > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > How lonely his life must be. He is investing an incredible amount of > time to get angry responses. Why bother with anger. I just got bored. There are only so many walls I want to bang my head on. if his was a Roman wall with interesting graffiti, it might be worth the bruises. As it is, Yaaaaaawnnn... CBA... SignatureKate XXXXXX R.C.T.Q Madame Chef des Trolls Lady Catherine, Wardrobe Mistress of the Chocolate Buttons http://www.katedicey.co.uk Click on Kate's Pages and explore! Good point - funny! =) Julia > Amen to that Volleyball! > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > time to get angry responses. > -Julia My responses aren't angry. He sees them that way because he has to think there's some kind of emotion invested in it. It takes me oh, about a minute and a half to put together valid information and then the rest if it is just fun. I figure, if he's going to be ignorant, he deserves whatever comments he gets. In all my years doing this Internet thing, he's just another in a line of online twerps (both on Usenet and IRC) who use their anonymity to try and gain some kind of power feeling they can't get in life. Meanwhile, I'm killing time waiting for stuff to compile and process. Signaturethe volleyballchick You're the one keeping him in here though.. Will~ > It's a teacher thing, ignorance just irritates the hell out of me. > Blatant stupidity is another issue altogether and I know this is what [quoted text clipped - 59 lines] >>> that you are simply a victim of the evil and profane volleyballchick. >>> And BTW, learn how to use your stupid computer and stop emailing me. I'm a teacher too and have been doing it for more than 30 years. My husband has three rules of life: People don't change...not weight but behavior People don't get smarter There are no secrets. The troll will not change, and he probably won't get smarter so by baiting him, he won't go away. Audrey > I'm a teacher too and have been doing it for more than 30 years. My > husband has three rules of life: [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Audrey Well you and I can then agree to disagree on item #1 & 2 because people do actually change their own behavior. Education is the key to helping the process. I can't change a kid, but I can provide him or her with the tools needed to make the actual changes. My specialty before taking this computer job was working with ED/EBD kids, most of whom have already been in the system and are on parole. I wouldn't even bother going to work if I didn't think I could help them change in some way. Yes, the troll won't change, but people reading his drivel have the actual facts I posted that show how blatantly wrong he is and can then make an informed decision on the issue. Signaturethe volleyballchick Why don't you just ignore him? no wonder he emails you.. Will~ >> The human body can safely lose 5 to 10 pounds per week. For people whose >> health is in jeopardy, what excuse is there not to lose weight at the [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > are simply a victim of the evil and profane volleyballchick. And BTW, > learn how to use your stupid computer and stop emailing me. > Why don't you just ignore him? > > no wonder he emails you.. > Will~ Ladies, please do not spend your time responding to me. That's not what I want, especially the sarcasm. I don't need your responses because you have nothing to teach me. My BMI is 24. In your own interests, listen to something other than WW and learn from people who have no weight problem. It should be a wake-up call that you're still battling a weight problem after being with WW for years. she might have a point, you have probably given him more time in the last few days, than all women including his mother has all his life, Lee > Why don't you just ignore him? > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > weight loss seems to increase in an exponential fashion. The data suggest > > that rates of weight loss should not exceed an average of 1.5 kg per week. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_ui ds=7847427&dopt=Abstract > > Michigan Surgeon General > > Characteristics of Safe Weight Loss Programs > > It should recommend a rate of weight loss of no more than 1-2 pounds per > > week. http://www.michigan.gov/surgeongeneral/0,1607,7-216-33084_33092_33098-102780 --,00.html > > Consumer Information Center: Setting Goals for Healthy Weight Loss > > For safe and healthy weight loss, try not to exceed a rate of two pounds [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > -- > > the volleyballchick |
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