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Weight Loss Forum / WeightWatchers / June 2006Honestly Weight Watchers Works
Just felt the need to post a little truth this morning. There are a lot of people out there who set themselves up as weight loss "experts" online, and otherwise. Some even have the nerve to write books, with no real personal experience. I spent forty years of my life either overweight or obese. My highest weight was 365. I have always been interested in permanently resolving this issue. I sit here today, at a normal weight for my height. I have been at a normal weight for almost three years now after losing over 200 pounds. When these little Arseholes who have never had a weight problem post bullshirt on the net it sometimes gripes me enough to have to answer. Weight watchers has not always had a good program. Some of the MAJOR problems in the past that kept me from success are below: a.. Eliminating *"bad"* foods b.. Lack of a flexibility in food choices c.. No real research base d.. Ignoring the emotional Permanent weight loss for people who are very heavy is Not About Food at all. Today's weight watchers program is research based, and teaches people to live in the real world without trying to constrain them to an unrealistic and punitive set of food choices. It trains people to eat in the manner that normal thin people eat. Sensibly for the most part, with moderate portions of any and all foods that are interesting. Current research has proven that the number one predictor of diet failure and weight regain is unrealistic expectations. Eliminating all *bad* foods is unrealistic. Quick and easy weight loss is impossible. Anyone who tries to live their lives in a world of abundance without tasting small amounts of things that they see others having is setting themselves up for failure. Weight watchers now has: a.. Research based interventions for dealing with emotional eating b.. A plan that incorporates sensible portions and teaches about healthy food choices c.. A sensible activity program d.. Tools to teach people what they need to know to lose the weight and maintain their losses. People who criticize the program have invariably either NOT BEEN MEMBERS AT ALL and don't read research studies, such as George, people who were members years ago, or are people who thought all they had to do was show up and not do any of the suggestions or read any of the materials. People who fail to lose the weight, and maintain their losses are those who quit, or don't follow the suggestions. I know many successes from my years of experience. Weight watchers does work for EVERYONE who follows the program. To blame the organization for people who quit, or to arbitrarily post that is doesn't work from a totally clueless point of view is beyond ignorant. > Just felt the need to post a little truth this morning. There are a lot of people out there who set themselves up as weight loss "experts" online, and otherwise. Some even have the nerve to write books, with no real personal experience. > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > d.. Tools to teach people what they need to know to lose the weight and maintain their losses. > People who criticize the program have invariably either NOT BEEN MEMBERS AT ALL and don't read research studies, such as George, people who were members years ago, or are people who thought all they had to do was show up and not do any of the suggestions or read any of the materials. People who fail to lose the weight, and maintain their losses are those who quit, or don't follow the suggestions. I know many successes from my years of experience. Weight watchers does work for EVERYONE who follows the program. To blame the organization for people who quit, or to arbitrarily post that is doesn't work from a totally clueless point of view is beyond ignorant. Well said and thank you. It's funny that when ever my Dr. asks me how I am doing with my weight, that whenever I mention WW I get a thumbs-up. It is the only thing that has ever worked for me. Ralph yes same here Ralph lesanne wrote: > Just felt the need to post a little truth this morning. There are a lot of > people out there who set themselves up as weight loss "experts" online, [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > post that is doesn't work from a totally clueless point of view is beyond > ignorant. Well said and thank you. It's funny that when ever my Dr. asks me how I am doing with my weight, that whenever I mention WW I get a thumbs-up. It is the only thing that has ever worked for me. Ralph WW works, you know it, I know it... let the idiots talk.... We've both been maintaining for 3 years... Those who have half a brain will see the trolls for what they are... those who don't... well... sorry.. darwinism in action.. Don't waste your breath on this, take that wonderful energy and put it on treating yourself well.. :o) Will~ Just felt the need to post a little truth this morning. There are a lot of people out there who set themselves up as weight loss "experts" online, and otherwise. Some even have the nerve to write books, with no real personal experience. I spent forty years of my life either overweight or obese. My highest weight was 365. I have always been interested in permanently resolving this issue. I sit here today, at a normal weight for my height. I have been at a normal weight for almost three years now after losing over 200 pounds. When these little Arseholes who have never had a weight problem post bullshirt on the net it sometimes gripes me enough to have to answer. Weight watchers has not always had a good program. Some of the MAJOR problems in the past that kept me from success are below: a.. Eliminating *"bad"* foods b.. Lack of a flexibility in food choices c.. No real research base d.. Ignoring the emotional Permanent weight loss for people who are very heavy is Not About Food at all. Today's weight watchers program is research based, and teaches people to live in the real world without trying to constrain them to an unrealistic and punitive set of food choices. It trains people to eat in the manner that normal thin people eat. Sensibly for the most part, with moderate portions of any and all foods that are interesting. Current research has proven that the number one predictor of diet failure and weight regain is unrealistic expectations. Eliminating all *bad* foods is unrealistic. Quick and easy weight loss is impossible. Anyone who tries to live their lives in a world of abundance without tasting small amounts of things that they see others having is setting themselves up for failure. Weight watchers now has: a.. Research based interventions for dealing with emotional eating b.. A plan that incorporates sensible portions and teaches about healthy food choices c.. A sensible activity program d.. Tools to teach people what they need to know to lose the weight and maintain their losses. People who criticize the program have invariably either NOT BEEN MEMBERS AT ALL and don't read research studies, such as George, people who were members years ago, or are people who thought all they had to do was show up and not do any of the suggestions or read any of the materials. People who fail to lose the weight, and maintain their losses are those who quit, or don't follow the suggestions. I know many successes from my years of experience. Weight watchers does work for EVERYONE who follows the program. To blame the organization for people who quit, or to arbitrarily post that is doesn't work from a totally clueless point of view is beyond ignorant. Will, I like to tell my story once in a while, it sometimes helps people with a lot to lose. I think it is timely to tell it when there is particularly harmful spam in the group.  SignatureLeslie Arnim larnim48@email.uophx.edu WW works, you know it, I know it... let the idiots talk.... We've both been maintaining for 3 years... Those who have half a brain will see the trolls for what they are... those who don't... well... sorry.. darwinism in action.. Don't waste your breath on this, take that wonderful energy and put it on treating yourself well.. :o) Will~ I never get tired of reading your story Lesanne, as a member it's an inspiration, as a leader it renews my faith in the program (sometimes, with everything I see, it IS tested believe me). I just know that everytime a troll read it's name, everytime it gets a response, it's encouraged to continue... There's no "reasoning" with them, there's no "maybe he'll see the light"... there's just a "Ah! they are reading my posts!!" reaction from the trolls.. makes them happy... that's what they strive for. That's what keeps them here.. That's why I get so irked when I see people reacting to them, please keep posting your story, you should even post it more often I think... show everybody what a success you are, let them know they can be too. Just leave the trolls out of it and maybe, if everybody does the same, they'll leave the group and move to groups that gives them more satisfaction. Will~ Will, I like to tell my story once in a while, it sometimes helps people with a lot to lose. I think it is timely to tell it when there is particularly harmful spam in the group. -- Leslie Arnim larnim48@email.uophx.edu "Willow Herself" <willowkinda@somethingkikeseamountains.net> wrote in message news:ukjcg.20766$Lm5.14648@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com... WW works, you know it, I know it... let the idiots talk.... We've both been maintaining for 3 years... Those who have half a brain will see the trolls for what they are... those who don't... well... sorry.. darwinism in action.. Don't waste your breath on this, take that wonderful energy and put it on treating yourself well.. :o) Will~ I never get tired of reading your story Lesanne, as a member it's an inspiration, as a leader it renews my faith in the program (sometimes, with everything I see, it IS tested believe me). I just know that everytime a troll read it's name, everytime it gets a response, it's encouraged to continue... There's no "reasoning" with them, there's no "maybe he'll see the light"... there's just a "Ah! they are reading my posts!!" reaction from the trolls.. makes them happy... that's what they strive for. That's what keeps them here.. That's why I get so irked when I see people reacting to them, please keep posting your story, you should even post it more often I think... show everybody what a success you are, let them know they can be too. Just leave the trolls out of it and maybe, if everybody does the same, they'll leave the group and move to groups that gives them more satisfaction. Will~ Then you should definitely practice what you preach. Signaturethe volleyballchick Maybe if you worried more about yourself and not what others do you would be happier...Stop playing mother please...GG I never get tired of reading your story Lesanne, as a member it's an inspiration, as a leader it renews my faith in the program (sometimes, with everything I see, it IS tested believe me). I just know that everytime a troll read it's name, everytime it gets a response, it's encouraged to continue... There's no "reasoning" with them, there's no "maybe he'll see the light"... there's just a "Ah! they are reading my posts!!" reaction from the trolls.. makes them happy... that's what they strive for. That's what keeps them here.. That's why I get so irked when I see people reacting to them, please keep posting your story, you should even post it more often I think... show everybody what a success you are, let them know they can be too. Just leave the trolls out of it and maybe, if everybody does the same, they'll leave the group and move to groups that gives them more satisfaction. Will~ "lesanne" <larnimnot@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:6Wjcg.51729$Qq.35365@tornado.texas.rr.com... Will, I like to tell my story once in a while, it sometimes helps people with a lot to lose. I think it is timely to tell it when there is particularly harmful spam in the group. -- Leslie Arnim larnim48@email.uophx.edu "Willow Herself" <willowkinda@somethingkikeseamountains.net> wrote in message news:ukjcg.20766$Lm5.14648@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com... WW works, you know it, I know it... let the idiots talk.... We've both been maintaining for 3 years... Those who have half a brain will see the trolls for what they are... those who don't... well... sorry.. darwinism in action.. Don't waste your breath on this, take that wonderful energy and put it on treating yourself well.. :o) Will~ that was a bit harsh for my taste, part of why we are here is to get support, part of it is to give support, Lee Maybe if you worried more about yourself and not what others do you would be happier...Stop playing mother please...GG "Willow Herself" <willowkinda@somethingkikeseamountains.net> wrote in message news:S5kcg.75823$F_3.26195@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net... I never get tired of reading your story Lesanne, as a member it's an inspiration, as a leader it renews my faith in the program (sometimes, with everything I see, it IS tested believe me). I just know that everytime a troll read it's name, everytime it gets a response, it's encouraged to continue... There's no "reasoning" with them, there's no "maybe he'll see the light"... there's just a "Ah! they are reading my posts!!" reaction from the trolls.. makes them happy... that's what they strive for. That's what keeps them here.. That's why I get so irked when I see people reacting to them, please keep posting your story, you should even post it more often I think... show everybody what a success you are, let them know they can be too. Just leave the trolls out of it and maybe, if everybody does the same, they'll leave the group and move to groups that gives them more satisfaction. Will~ "lesanne" <larnimnot@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:6Wjcg.51729$Qq.35365@tornado.texas.rr.com... Will, I like to tell my story once in a while, it sometimes helps people with a lot to lose. I think it is timely to tell it when there is particularly harmful spam in the group. -- Leslie Arnim larnim48@email.uophx.edu "Willow Herself" <willowkinda@somethingkikeseamountains.net> wrote in message news:ukjcg.20766$Lm5.14648@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com... WW works, you know it, I know it... let the idiots talk.... We've both been maintaining for 3 years... Those who have half a brain will see the trolls for what they are... those who don't... well... sorry.. darwinism in action.. Don't waste your breath on this, take that wonderful energy and put it on treating yourself well.. :o) Will~ Your taste was not an issue...We were being told to what to do...I found that offensive...Sorry if it offended you...That was not the idea...GG that was a bit harsh for my taste, part of why we are here is to get support, part of it is to give support, Lee Gary G <mrhiggins1@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:e4t0m301gi0@news1.newsguy.com... Maybe if you worried more about yourself and not what others do you would be happier...Stop playing mother please...GG "Willow Herself" <willowkinda@somethingkikeseamountains.net> wrote in message news:S5kcg.75823$F_3.26195@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net... I never get tired of reading your story Lesanne, as a member it's an inspiration, as a leader it renews my faith in the program (sometimes, with everything I see, it IS tested believe me). I just know that everytime a troll read it's name, everytime it gets a response, it's encouraged to continue... There's no "reasoning" with them, there's no "maybe he'll see the light"... there's just a "Ah! they are reading my posts!!" reaction from the trolls.. makes them happy... that's what they strive for. That's what keeps them here.. That's why I get so irked when I see people reacting to them, please keep posting your story, you should even post it more often I think... show everybody what a success you are, let them know they can be too. Just leave the trolls out of it and maybe, if everybody does the same, they'll leave the group and move to groups that gives them more satisfaction. Will~ "lesanne" <larnimnot@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:6Wjcg.51729$Qq.35365@tornado.texas.rr.com... Will, I like to tell my story once in a while, it sometimes helps people with a lot to lose. I think it is timely to tell it when there is particularly harmful spam in the group. -- Leslie Arnim larnim48@email.uophx.edu "Willow Herself" <willowkinda@somethingkikeseamountains.net> wrote in message news:ukjcg.20766$Lm5.14648@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com... WW works, you know it, I know it... let the idiots talk.... We've both been maintaining for 3 years... Those who have half a brain will see the trolls for what they are... those who don't... well... sorry.. darwinism in action.. Don't waste your breath on this, take that wonderful energy and put it on treating yourself well.. :o) Will~ I guess its your writing style that doesn't suit me, I am all for disagreeing, but doing it with tact and taste is in order here, acerbic attempts or harshness are not why I come here, and I am sorry you took her post that way, read how less took it to see how I took it, Lee, done with this conversation now Your taste was not an issue...We were being told to what to do...I found that offensive...Sorry if it offended you...That was not the idea...GG "Stormmee" <rgrass@consolidated.net> wrote in message news:4e0oasF1ci3l8U7@individual.net... that was a bit harsh for my taste, part of why we are here is to get support, part of it is to give support, Lee Gary G <mrhiggins1@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:e4t0m301gi0@news1.newsguy.com... Maybe if you worried more about yourself and not what others do you would be happier...Stop playing mother please...GG "Willow Herself" <willowkinda@somethingkikeseamountains.net> wrote in message news:S5kcg.75823$F_3.26195@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net... I never get tired of reading your story Lesanne, as a member it's an inspiration, as a leader it renews my faith in the program (sometimes, with everything I see, it IS tested believe me). I just know that everytime a troll read it's name, everytime it gets a response, it's encouraged to continue... There's no "reasoning" with them, there's no "maybe he'll see the light"... there's just a "Ah! they are reading my posts!!" reaction from the trolls.. makes them happy... that's what they strive for. That's what keeps them here.. That's why I get so irked when I see people reacting to them, please keep posting your story, you should even post it more often I think... show everybody what a success you are, let them know they can be too. Just leave the trolls out of it and maybe, if everybody does the same, they'll leave the group and move to groups that gives them more satisfaction. Will~ "lesanne" <larnimnot@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:6Wjcg.51729$Qq.35365@tornado.texas.rr.com... Will, I like to tell my story once in a while, it sometimes helps people with a lot to lose. I think it is timely to tell it when there is particularly harmful spam in the group. -- Leslie Arnim larnim48@email.uophx.edu "Willow Herself" <willowkinda@somethingkikeseamountains.net> wrote in message news:ukjcg.20766$Lm5.14648@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com... WW works, you know it, I know it... let the idiots talk.... We've both been maintaining for 3 years... Those who have half a brain will see the trolls for what they are... those who don't... well... sorry.. darwinism in action.. Don't waste your breath on this, take that wonderful energy and put it on treating yourself well.. :o) Will~ I was out of line Lee, pointing it out is fine by me. As for the way it was pointed out, well... some people just don't care if they hurt others or not.. I've learn to deal with that. Karma's his, not mine... Will~ that was a bit harsh for my taste, part of why we are here is to get support, part of it is to give support, Lee Gary G <mrhiggins1@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:e4t0m301gi0@news1.newsguy.com... Maybe if you worried more about yourself and not what others do you would be happier...Stop playing mother please...GG "Willow Herself" <willowkinda@somethingkikeseamountains.net> wrote in message news:S5kcg.75823$F_3.26195@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net... I never get tired of reading your story Lesanne, as a member it's an inspiration, as a leader it renews my faith in the program (sometimes, with everything I see, it IS tested believe me). I just know that everytime a troll read it's name, everytime it gets a response, it's encouraged to continue... There's no "reasoning" with them, there's no "maybe he'll see the light"... there's just a "Ah! they are reading my posts!!" reaction from the trolls.. makes them happy... that's what they strive for. That's what keeps them here.. That's why I get so irked when I see people reacting to them, please keep posting your story, you should even post it more often I think... show everybody what a success you are, let them know they can be too. Just leave the trolls out of it and maybe, if everybody does the same, they'll leave the group and move to groups that gives them more satisfaction. Will~ "lesanne" <larnimnot@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:6Wjcg.51729$Qq.35365@tornado.texas.rr.com... Will, I like to tell my story once in a while, it sometimes helps people with a lot to lose. I think it is timely to tell it when there is particularly harmful spam in the group. -- Leslie Arnim larnim48@email.uophx.edu "Willow Herself" <willowkinda@somethingkikeseamountains.net> wrote in message news:ukjcg.20766$Lm5.14648@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com... WW works, you know it, I know it... let the idiots talk.... We've both been maintaining for 3 years... Those who have half a brain will see the trolls for what they are... those who don't... well... sorry.. darwinism in action.. Don't waste your breath on this, take that wonderful energy and put it on treating yourself well.. :o) Will~ You see, this is right thinking. I am often out of line myself, smart women with strong opinions often are. Well I know how to apologize if I step on someone's toes, and I have a skin so thick that I really rather enjoy a good fire fight if it comes to it, and the issue is sufficiently compelling. I rarely get emotionally involved in any of it. NEVER with a troll :). I think they are pitiful actually. I always feel a little bad after pointing out their ignorance, as if I were sticking a sick mangy (and rather disgusting like a possum) animal with a pointed stick or something.... But angry? I save that for issues of import. SignatureLes I was out of line Lee, pointing it out is fine by me. As for the way it was pointed out, well... some people just don't care if they hurt others or not.. I've learn to deal with that. Karma's his, not mine... Will~ "Stormmee" <rgrass@consolidated.net> wrote in message news:4e0oasF1ci3l8U7@individual.net... that was a bit harsh for my taste, part of why we are here is to get support, part of it is to give support, Lee Gary G <mrhiggins1@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:e4t0m301gi0@news1.newsguy.com... Maybe if you worried more about yourself and not what others do you would be happier...Stop playing mother please...GG "Willow Herself" <willowkinda@somethingkikeseamountains.net> wrote in message news:S5kcg.75823$F_3.26195@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net... I never get tired of reading your story Lesanne, as a member it's an inspiration, as a leader it renews my faith in the program (sometimes, with everything I see, it IS tested believe me). I just know that everytime a troll read it's name, everytime it gets a response, it's encouraged to continue... There's no "reasoning" with them, there's no "maybe he'll see the light"... there's just a "Ah! they are reading my posts!!" reaction from the trolls.. makes them happy... that's what they strive for. That's what keeps them here.. That's why I get so irked when I see people reacting to them, please keep posting your story, you should even post it more often I think... show everybody what a success you are, let them know they can be too. Just leave the trolls out of it and maybe, if everybody does the same, they'll leave the group and move to groups that gives them more satisfaction. Will~ "lesanne" <larnimnot@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:6Wjcg.51729$Qq.35365@tornado.texas.rr.com... Will, I like to tell my story once in a while, it sometimes helps people with a lot to lose. I think it is timely to tell it when there is particularly harmful spam in the group. -- Leslie Arnim larnim48@email.uophx.edu "Willow Herself" <willowkinda@somethingkikeseamountains.net> wrote in message news:ukjcg.20766$Lm5.14648@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com... WW works, you know it, I know it... let the idiots talk.... We've both been maintaining for 3 years... Those who have half a brain will see the trolls for what they are... those who don't... well... sorry.. darwinism in action.. Don't waste your breath on this, take that wonderful energy and put it on treating yourself well.. :o) Will~ LOL - being one of strong opinions I couldn't agree more. Ditto on the anger. It's a useless emotion on the Usenet. Dead possums are sad, but they're also a dime a dozen and not worth the emotional energy even for pity. Signaturethe volleyballchick You see, this is right thinking. I am often out of line myself, smart women with strong opinions often are. Well I know how to apologize if I step on someone's toes, and I have a skin so thick that I really rather enjoy a good fire fight if it comes to it, and the issue is sufficiently compelling. I rarely get emotionally involved in any of it. NEVER with a troll :). I think they are pitiful actually. I always feel a little bad after pointing out their ignorance, as if I were sticking a sick mangy (and rather disgusting like a possum) animal with a pointed stick or something.... But angry? I save that for issues of import. SignatureLes "Willow Herself" <willowkinda@somethingkikeseamountains.net> wrote in message news:5eYeg.25958$fb2.12961@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net... I was out of line Lee, pointing it out is fine by me. As for the way it was pointed out, well... some people just don't care if they hurt others or not.. I've learn to deal with that. Karma's his, not mine... Will~ "Stormmee" <rgrass@consolidated.net> wrote in message news:4e0oasF1ci3l8U7@individual.net... that was a bit harsh for my taste, part of why we are here is to get support, part of it is to give support, Lee Gary G <mrhiggins1@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:e4t0m301gi0@news1.newsguy.com... Maybe if you worried more about yourself and not what others do you would be happier...Stop playing mother please...GG "Willow Herself" <willowkinda@somethingkikeseamountains.net> wrote in message news:S5kcg.75823$F_3.26195@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net... I never get tired of reading your story Lesanne, as a member it's an inspiration, as a leader it renews my faith in the program (sometimes, with everything I see, it IS tested believe me). I just know that everytime a troll read it's name, everytime it gets a response, it's encouraged to continue... There's no "reasoning" with them, there's no "maybe he'll see the light"... there's just a "Ah! they are reading my posts!!" reaction from the trolls.. makes them happy... that's what they strive for. That's what keeps them here.. That's why I get so irked when I see people reacting to them, please keep posting your story, you should even post it more often I think... show everybody what a success you are, let them know they can be too. Just leave the trolls out of it and maybe, if everybody does the same, they'll leave the group and move to groups that gives them more satisfaction. Will~ "lesanne" <larnimnot@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:6Wjcg.51729$Qq.35365@tornado.texas.rr.com... Will, I like to tell my story once in a while, it sometimes helps people with a lot to lose. I think it is timely to tell it when there is particularly harmful spam in the group. -- Leslie Arnim larnim48@email.uophx.edu "Willow Herself" <willowkinda@somethingkikeseamountains.net> wrote in message news:ukjcg.20766$Lm5.14648@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com... WW works, you know it, I know it... let the idiots talk.... We've both been maintaining for 3 years... Those who have half a brain will see the trolls for what they are... those who don't... well... sorry.. darwinism in action.. Don't waste your breath on this, take that wonderful energy and put it on treating yourself well.. :o) Will~ I'm learning to apologize.. *blush* I got this pride thing that gets in the way sometimes.. but I'm TRYING !!! ;o) Possums are cute !!! well healthy one are... Will~ You see, this is right thinking. I am often out of line myself, smart women with strong opinions often are. Well I know how to apologize if I step on someone's toes, and I have a skin so thick that I really rather enjoy a good fire fight if it comes to it, and the issue is sufficiently compelling. I rarely get emotionally involved in any of it. NEVER with a troll :). I think they are pitiful actually. I always feel a little bad after pointing out their ignorance, as if I were sticking a sick mangy (and rather disgusting like a possum) animal with a pointed stick or something.... But angry? I save that for issues of import. -- Les "Willow Herself" <willowkinda@somethingkikeseamountains.net> wrote in message news:5eYeg.25958$fb2.12961@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net... I was out of line Lee, pointing it out is fine by me. As for the way it was pointed out, well... some people just don't care if they hurt others or not.. I've learn to deal with that. Karma's his, not mine... Will~ "Stormmee" <rgrass@consolidated.net> wrote in message news:4e0oasF1ci3l8U7@individual.net... that was a bit harsh for my taste, part of why we are here is to get support, part of it is to give support, Lee Gary G <mrhiggins1@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:e4t0m301gi0@news1.newsguy.com... Maybe if you worried more about yourself and not what others do you would be happier...Stop playing mother please...GG "Willow Herself" <willowkinda@somethingkikeseamountains.net> wrote in message news:S5kcg.75823$F_3.26195@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net... I never get tired of reading your story Lesanne, as a member it's an inspiration, as a leader it renews my faith in the program (sometimes, with everything I see, it IS tested believe me). I just know that everytime a troll read it's name, everytime it gets a response, it's encouraged to continue... There's no "reasoning" with them, there's no "maybe he'll see the light"... there's just a "Ah! they are reading my posts!!" reaction from the trolls.. makes them happy... that's what they strive for. That's what keeps them here.. That's why I get so irked when I see people reacting to them, please keep posting your story, you should even post it more often I think... show everybody what a success you are, let them know they can be too. Just leave the trolls out of it and maybe, if everybody does the same, they'll leave the group and move to groups that gives them more satisfaction. Will~ "lesanne" <larnimnot@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:6Wjcg.51729$Qq.35365@tornado.texas.rr.com... Will, I like to tell my story once in a while, it sometimes helps people with a lot to lose. I think it is timely to tell it when there is particularly harmful spam in the group. -- Leslie Arnim larnim48@email.uophx.edu "Willow Herself" <willowkinda@somethingkikeseamountains.net> wrote in message news:ukjcg.20766$Lm5.14648@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com... WW works, you know it, I know it... let the idiots talk.... We've both been maintaining for 3 years... Those who have half a brain will see the trolls for what they are... those who don't... well... sorry.. darwinism in action.. Don't waste your breath on this, take that wonderful energy and put it on treating yourself well.. :o) Will~ true, Lee You see, this is right thinking. I am often out of line myself, smart women with strong opinions often are. Well I know how to apologize if I step on someone's toes, and I have a skin so thick that I really rather enjoy a good fire fight if it comes to it, and the issue is sufficiently compelling. I rarely get emotionally involved in any of it. NEVER with a troll :). I think they are pitiful actually. I always feel a little bad after pointing out their ignorance, as if I were sticking a sick mangy (and rather disgusting like a possum) animal with a pointed stick or something.... But angry? I save that for issues of import. -- Les "Willow Herself" <willowkinda@somethingkikeseamountains.net> wrote in message news:5eYeg.25958$fb2.12961@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net... I was out of line Lee, pointing it out is fine by me. As for the way it was pointed out, well... some people just don't care if they hurt others or not.. I've learn to deal with that. Karma's his, not mine... Will~ "Stormmee" <rgrass@consolidated.net> wrote in message news:4e0oasF1ci3l8U7@individual.net... that was a bit harsh for my taste, part of why we are here is to get support, part of it is to give support, Lee Gary G <mrhiggins1@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:e4t0m301gi0@news1.newsguy.com... Maybe if you worried more about yourself and not what others do you would be happier...Stop playing mother please...GG "Willow Herself" <willowkinda@somethingkikeseamountains.net> wrote in message news:S5kcg.75823$F_3.26195@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net... I never get tired of reading your story Lesanne, as a member it's an inspiration, as a leader it renews my faith in the program (sometimes, with everything I see, it IS tested believe me). I just know that everytime a troll read it's name, everytime it gets a response, it's encouraged to continue... There's no "reasoning" with them, there's no "maybe he'll see the light"... there's just a "Ah! they are reading my posts!!" reaction from the trolls.. makes them happy... that's what they strive for. That's what keeps them here.. That's why I get so irked when I see people reacting to them, please keep posting your story, you should even post it more often I think... show everybody what a success you are, let them know they can be too. Just leave the trolls out of it and maybe, if everybody does the same, they'll leave the group and move to groups that gives them more satisfaction. Will~ "lesanne" <larnimnot@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:6Wjcg.51729$Qq.35365@tornado.texas.rr.com... Will, I like to tell my story once in a while, it sometimes helps people with a lot to lose. I think it is timely to tell it when there is particularly harmful spam in the group. -- Leslie Arnim larnim48@email.uophx.edu "Willow Herself" <willowkinda@somethingkikeseamountains.net> wrote in message news:ukjcg.20766$Lm5.14648@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com... WW works, you know it, I know it... let the idiots talk.... We've both been maintaining for 3 years... Those who have half a brain will see the trolls for what they are... those who don't... well... sorry.. darwinism in action.. Don't waste your breath on this, take that wonderful energy and put it on treating yourself well.. :o) Will~ Willow says: I just know that everytime a troll read it's name, everytime it gets a response, it's encouraged to continue... There's no "reasoning" with them, there's no "maybe he'll see the light"... there's just a "Ah! they are reading my posts!!" reaction from the trolls.. makes them happy... that's what they strive for. That's what keeps them here.. I can't take credit for him hanging around. No one said his name when he popped back up this year after an absence of months and months. He just has periods in his life (probably when he has just been fired from a job, or is in prison again) where he has lots of time to harass people. He will keep it up as long as he has nothing else to do, even when no one responds to him any longer. I have seen him do it over and over in the four or five years I have been on the newsgroup. He does like attention, but he often does not have time to read every thread (although the subject line on this one will probably lure him...). Even with no attention he will continue to crank out his bull, I just like to offer proof positive that he has no idea what he is talking about. I would not speak directly to someone who is not one of us, has no real personal experience, and just repetitively posts the same drivel periodically, but I do like to occasionally respond. You don't need to ask me to not do it, because I frankly do whatever I want, even when someone I admire asks me not to :):):)> He won't leave the group until he is no longer bored. I won't leave either, and I will post when I have the extra time. Unlike our troll, I have a very busy life. He can be encouraged by my post if he wishes, I don't read most of his. SignatureLes I never get tired of reading your story Lesanne, as a member it's an inspiration, as a leader it renews my faith in the program (sometimes, with everything I see, it IS tested believe me). I just know that everytime a troll read it's name, everytime it gets a response, it's encouraged to continue... There's no "reasoning" with them, there's no "maybe he'll see the light"... there's just a "Ah! they are reading my posts!!" reaction from the trolls.. makes them happy... that's what they strive for. That's what keeps them here.. That's why I get so irked when I see people reacting to them, please keep posting your story, you should even post it more often I think... show everybody what a success you are, let them know they can be too. Just leave the trolls out of it and maybe, if everybody does the same, they'll leave the group and move to groups that gives them more satisfaction. Will~ I wasn't blaming you for anything.. I'm sorry if it sounded that way.. :o( Will~ Willow says: I just know that everytime a troll read it's name, everytime it gets a response, it's encouraged to continue... There's no "reasoning" with them, there's no "maybe he'll see the light"... there's just a "Ah! they are reading my posts!!" reaction from the trolls.. makes them happy... that's what they strive for. That's what keeps them here.. I can't take credit for him hanging around. No one said his name when he popped back up this year after an absence of months and months. He just has periods in his life (probably when he has just been fired from a job, or is in prison again) where he has lots of time to harass people. He will keep it up as long as he has nothing else to do, even when no one responds to him any longer. I have seen him do it over and over in the four or five years I have been on the newsgroup. He does like attention, but he often does not have time to read every thread (although the subject line on this one will probably lure him...). Even with no attention he will continue to crank out his bull, I just like to offer proof positive that he has no idea what he is talking about. I would not speak directly to someone who is not one of us, has no real personal experience, and just repetitively posts the same drivel periodically, but I do like to occasionally respond. You don't need to ask me to not do it, because I frankly do whatever I want, even when someone I admire asks me not to :):):)> He won't leave the group until he is no longer bored. I won't leave either, and I will post when I have the extra time. Unlike our troll, I have a very busy life. He can be encouraged by my post if he wishes, I don't read most of his. -- Les "Willow Herself" <willowkinda@somethingkikeseamountains.net> wrote in message news:S5kcg.75823$F_3.26195@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net... I never get tired of reading your story Lesanne, as a member it's an inspiration, as a leader it renews my faith in the program (sometimes, with everything I see, it IS tested believe me). I just know that everytime a troll read it's name, everytime it gets a response, it's encouraged to continue... There's no "reasoning" with them, there's no "maybe he'll see the light"... there's just a "Ah! they are reading my posts!!" reaction from the trolls.. makes them happy... that's what they strive for. That's what keeps them here.. That's why I get so irked when I see people reacting to them, please keep posting your story, you should even post it more often I think... show everybody what a success you are, let them know they can be too. Just leave the trolls out of it and maybe, if everybody does the same, they'll leave the group and move to groups that gives them more satisfaction. Will~ I wasn't blaming you for anything.. I'm sorry if it sounded that way.. :o( Will~ Willow I did not take it as blame, I took it as an opinion that you hold (the way I read it, your opinion is that if no one at all responds he will go away). It might be true. My opinion is that it *may* be true, or not, and that ultimately he will get busy elsewhere and go away again (based upon his past behavior) whether or not people respond to him. It is also my opinion that trolls tend to elicit opinions. This is not all bad in my view. It is irritating when they are stimulated to the point of flooding the newsgroup, but they are easy to ignore if one doesn't wish to play with idiots, and distracting and fun to show up when one is in the mood to play with idiots. Sometimes it is fun to play with stupid and misinformed people. Trolls are a great resource for that. I am in the midst of a very challenging program of study right now. To debate with someone truly clueless, and put forth a little truth at the same time is relaxing fun, and a break from the debates with actual intelligent people in my courses. It is not okay for people here to bash YOU for stating your opinion either. Those who tell you to quit being Momma, maybe should look to their own judgments about people. I am not a child. Your opinion in no way threatens me or anything else. I admire your commitment to WW. We don't share the same exact view of trolls but So Freaking What. The world is not the same color all over. Les Thanks for answering me Lesanne, I really appreciate it. I understand your point (and agree). Keep on keeping on! Will~ I wasn't blaming you for anything.. I'm sorry if it sounded that way.. :o( Will~ Willow I did not take it as blame, I took it as an opinion that you hold (the way I read it, your opinion is that if no one at all responds he will go away). It might be true. My opinion is that it *may* be true, or not, and that ultimately he will get busy elsewhere and go away again (based upon his past behavior) whether or not people respond to him. It is also my opinion that trolls tend to elicit opinions. This is not all bad in my view. It is irritating when they are stimulated to the point of flooding the newsgroup, but they are easy to ignore if one doesn't wish to play with idiots, and distracting and fun to show up when one is in the mood to play with idiots. Sometimes it is fun to play with stupid and misinformed people. Trolls are a great resource for that. I am in the midst of a very challenging program of study right now. To debate with someone truly clueless, and put forth a little truth at the same time is relaxing fun, and a break from the debates with actual intelligent people in my courses. It is not okay for people here to bash YOU for stating your opinion either. Those who tell you to quit being Momma, maybe should look to their own judgments about people. I am not a child. Your opinion in no way threatens me or anything else. I admire your commitment to WW. We don't share the same exact view of trolls but So Freaking What. The world is not the same color all over. Les very well put, in another group when a troll arrives, they hold a troll b q, they post the recipe they are currently using or similar, its great fun, a break and some excellent recipes are to be had, Lee, who shares the opinion that none of them, trolls, or opinions are threatening I wasn't blaming you for anything.. I'm sorry if it sounded that way.. :o( Will~ Willow I did not take it as blame, I took it as an opinion that you hold (the way I read it, your opinion is that if no one at all responds he will go away). It might be true. My opinion is that it *may* be true, or not, and that ultimately he will get busy elsewhere and go away again (based upon his past behavior) whether or not people respond to him. It is also my opinion that trolls tend to elicit opinions. This is not all bad in my view. It is irritating when they are stimulated to the point of flooding the newsgroup, but they are easy to ignore if one doesn't wish to play with idiots, and distracting and fun to show up when one is in the mood to play with idiots. Sometimes it is fun to play with stupid and misinformed people. Trolls are a great resource for that. I am in the midst of a very challenging program of study right now. To debate with someone truly clueless, and put forth a little truth at the same time is relaxing fun, and a break from the debates with actual intelligent people in my courses. It is not okay for people here to bash YOU for stating your opinion either. Those who tell you to quit being Momma, maybe should look to their own judgments about people. I am not a child. Your opinion in no way threatens me or anything else. I admire your commitment to WW. We don't share the same exact view of trolls but So Freaking What. The world is not the same color all over. Les. Bar be Cue? Hmmm. I had the most lovely lunch. Being the supposed "overweight junk food eater" that I am, it was suspiciously in line with the best and newest research into healthy food. I read research, what can I say? Must have something to do with my profession. Just call me an intellectual snob. A tall, normal weight, healthy, intellectual snob. This is the recipe for my lovely lunch.... A nice stir fry with a little brown rice, broccoli, onion and tofu and a few spices. A beautiful salad of spinach greens, home made citrus vinaigrette (low fat with just a touch of walnut oil) fresh ground black pepper, a half an ounce of toasted walnuts and a third of a cup of mandarin orange sections. YUM. Some of that is major treat food. Some major treat food is very healthy. If I only could just Make myself suffer some, maybe I could be obsessed with other people's business....... SignatureLes very well put, in another group when a troll arrives, they hold a troll b q, they post the recipe they are currently using or similar, its great fun, a break and some excellent recipes are to be had, Lee, who shares the opinion that none of them, trolls, or opinions are threatening lesanne <larnimnot@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:j8Fcg.60012$CH2.13794@tornado.texas.rr.com... I wasn't blaming you for anything.. I'm sorry if it sounded that way.. :o( Will~ Willow I did not take it as blame, I took it as an opinion that you hold (the way I read it, your opinion is that if no one at all responds he will go away). It might be true. My opinion is that it *may* be true, or not, and that ultimately he will get busy elsewhere and go away again (based upon his past behavior) whether or not people respond to him. It is also my opinion that trolls tend to elicit opinions. This is not all bad in my view. It is irritating when they are stimulated to the point of flooding the newsgroup, but they are easy to ignore if one doesn't wish to play with idiots, and distracting and fun to show up when one is in the mood to play with idiots. Sometimes it is fun to play with stupid and misinformed people. Trolls are a great resource for that. I am in the midst of a very challenging program of study right now. To debate with someone truly clueless, and put forth a little truth at the same time is relaxing fun, and a break from the debates with actual intelligent people in my courses. It is not okay for people here to bash YOU for stating your opinion either. Those who tell you to quit being Momma, maybe should look to their own judgments about people. I am not a child. Your opinion in no way threatens me or anything else. I admire your commitment to WW. We don't share the same exact view of trolls but So Freaking What. The world is not the same color all over. Les excellent lunch, I am also a research junkie, Lee Bar be Cue? Hmmm. I had the most lovely lunch. Being the supposed "overweight junk food eater" that I am, it was suspiciously in line with the best and newest research into healthy food. I read research, what can I say? Must have something to do with my profession. Just call me an intellectual snob. A tall, normal weight, healthy, intellectual snob. This is the recipe for my lovely lunch.... A nice stir fry with a little brown rice, broccoli, onion and tofu and a few spices. A beautiful salad of spinach greens, home made citrus vinaigrette (low fat with just a touch of walnut oil) fresh ground black pepper, a half an ounce of toasted walnuts and a third of a cup of mandarin orange sections. YUM. Some of that is major treat food. Some major treat food is very healthy. If I only could just Make myself suffer some, maybe I could be obsessed with other people's business....... -- Les "Stormmee" <rgrass@consolidated.net> wrote in message news:4e0oatF1ci3l8U8@individual.net... very well put, in another group when a troll arrives, they hold a troll b q, they post the recipe they are currently using or similar, its great fun, a break and some excellent recipes are to be had, Lee, who shares the opinion that none of them, trolls, or opinions are threatening lesanne <larnimnot@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:j8Fcg.60012$CH2.13794@tornado.texas.rr.com... I wasn't blaming you for anything.. I'm sorry if it sounded that way.. :o( Will~ Willow I did not take it as blame, I took it as an opinion that you hold (the way I read it, your opinion is that if no one at all responds he will go away). It might be true. My opinion is that it *may* be true, or not, and that ultimately he will get busy elsewhere and go away again (based upon his past behavior) whether or not people respond to him. It is also my opinion that trolls tend to elicit opinions. This is not all bad in my view. It is irritating when they are stimulated to the point of flooding the newsgroup, but they are easy to ignore if one doesn't wish to play with idiots, and distracting and fun to show up when one is in the mood to play with idiots. Sometimes it is fun to play with stupid and misinformed people. Trolls are a great resource for that. I am in the midst of a very challenging program of study right now. To debate with someone truly clueless, and put forth a little truth at the same time is relaxing fun, and a break from the debates with actual intelligent people in my courses. It is not okay for people here to bash YOU for stating your opinion either. Those who tell you to quit being Momma, maybe should look to their own judgments about people. I am not a child. Your opinion in no way threatens me or anything else. I admire your commitment to WW. We don't share the same exact view of trolls but So Freaking What. The world is not the same color all over. Les. Hi Willow, I just have a question for a WW's leader. My leader always has a in groups, answering a couple of topic questions each week. Is that how you conduct your classes? (could you cc to my email williamsonfire@earthlink.net.) AW >I never get tired of reading your story Lesanne, as a member it's an inspiration, as a leader it renews my faith in the program (sometimes, with everything I see, it IS tested believe me). Lesanne, I think you're correct. Your story is worth telling many, many times. There may be that one lurker who reads it and decides to join the program. Thanks for posting. Audrey, WW for life Will, I like to tell my story once in a while, it sometimes helps people with a lot to lose. I think it is timely to tell it when there is particularly harmful spam in the group. -- Leslie Arnim larnim48@email.uophx.edu "Willow Herself" <willowkinda@somethingkikeseamountains.net> wrote in message news:ukjcg.20766$Lm5.14648@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com... WW works, you know it, I know it... let the idiots talk.... We've both been maintaining for 3 years... Those who have half a brain will see the trolls for what they are... those who don't... well... sorry.. darwinism in action.. Don't waste your breath on this, take that wonderful energy and put it on treating yourself well.. :o) Will~ beyond ignorant and just plain sad, good post, Lee Just felt the need to post a little truth this morning. There are a lot of people out there who set themselves up as weight loss "experts" online, and otherwise. Some even have the nerve to write books, with no real personal experience. I spent forty years of my life either overweight or obese. My highest weight was 365. I have always been interested in permanently resolving this issue. I sit here today, at a normal weight for my height. I have been at a normal weight for almost three years now after losing over 200 pounds. When these little Arseholes who have never had a weight problem post bullshirt on the net it sometimes gripes me enough to have to answer. Weight watchers has not always had a good program. Some of the MAJOR problems in the past that kept me from success are below: a.. Eliminating *"bad"* foods b.. Lack of a flexibility in food choices c.. No real research base d.. Ignoring the emotional Permanent weight loss for people who are very heavy is Not About Food at all. Today's weight watchers program is research based, and teaches people to live in the real world without trying to constrain them to an unrealistic and punitive set of food choices. It trains people to eat in the manner that normal thin people eat. Sensibly for the most part, with moderate portions of any and all foods that are interesting. Current research has proven that the number one predictor of diet failure and weight regain is unrealistic expectations. Eliminating all *bad* foods is unrealistic. Quick and easy weight loss is impossible. Anyone who tries to live their lives in a world of abundance without tasting small amounts of things that they see others having is setting themselves up for failure. Weight watchers now has: a.. Research based interventions for dealing with emotional eating b.. A plan that incorporates sensible portions and teaches about healthy food choices c.. A sensible activity program d.. Tools to teach people what they need to know to lose the weight and maintain their losses. People who criticize the program have invariably either NOT BEEN MEMBERS AT ALL and don't read research studies, such as George, people who were members years ago, or are people who thought all they had to do was show up and not do any of the suggestions or read any of the materials. People who fail to lose the weight, and maintain their losses are those who quit, or don't follow the suggestions. I know many successes from my years of experience. Weight watchers does work for EVERYONE who follows the program. To blame the organization for people who quit, or to arbitrarily post that is doesn't work from a totally clueless point of view is beyond ignorant. Well said and a very good example of the truth about WW. I got into WW because of the success of some people on ASD doing it and the number of books I read about successful long term weight loss. So many of the success stories were members of WW. Maintaining large weight losses is certainly not easy. I've kept off over 100 lbs for nearly 3 years now. Even though it's not what I used to get here, WW works as a lifelong plan for me to keep from gaining the weight back. Signaturethe volleyballchick Just felt the need to post a little truth this morning. There are a lot of people out there who set themselves up as weight loss "experts" online, and otherwise. Some even have the nerve to write books, with no real personal experience. I spent forty years of my life either overweight or obese. My highest weight was 365. I have always been interested in permanently resolving this issue. I sit here today, at a normal weight for my height. I have been at a normal weight for almost three years now after losing over 200 pounds. When these little Arseholes who have never had a weight problem post bullshirt on the net it sometimes gripes me enough to have to answer. Weight watchers has not always had a good program. Some of the MAJOR problems in the past that kept me from success are below: a.. Eliminating *"bad"* foods b.. Lack of a flexibility in food choices c.. No real research base d.. Ignoring the emotional Permanent weight loss for people who are very heavy is Not About Food at all. Today's weight watchers program is research based, and teaches people to live in the real world without trying to constrain them to an unrealistic and punitive set of food choices. It trains people to eat in the manner that normal thin people eat. Sensibly for the most part, with moderate portions of any and all foods that are interesting. Current research has proven that the number one predictor of diet failure and weight regain is unrealistic expectations. Eliminating all *bad* foods is unrealistic. Quick and easy weight loss is impossible. Anyone who tries to live their lives in a world of abundance without tasting small amounts of things that they see others having is setting themselves up for failure. Weight watchers now has: a.. Research based interventions for dealing with emotional eating b.. A plan that incorporates sensible portions and teaches about healthy food choices c.. A sensible activity program d.. Tools to teach people what they need to know to lose the weight and maintain their losses. People who criticize the program have invariably either NOT BEEN MEMBERS AT ALL and don't read research studies, such as George, people who were members years ago, or are people who thought all they had to do was show up and not do any of the suggestions or read any of the materials. People who fail to lose the weight, and maintain their losses are those who quit, or don't follow the suggestions. I know many successes from my years of experience. Weight watchers does work for EVERYONE who follows the program. To blame the organization for people who quit, or to arbitrarily post that is doesn't work from a totally clueless point of view is beyond ignorant. I believe that today's program is the best there is out there. Now if we could just get more WW members to follow it ;):) SignatureLes Well said and a very good example of the truth about WW. I got into WW because of the success of some people on ASD doing it and the number of books I read about successful long term weight loss. So many of the success stories were members of WW. Maintaining large weight losses is certainly not easy. I've kept off over 100 lbs for nearly 3 years now. Even though it's not what I used to get here, WW works as a lifelong plan for me to keep from gaining the weight back. -- the volleyballchick "lesanne" <larnimnot@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:vajcg.51723$Qq.17261@tornado.texas.rr.com... Just felt the need to post a little truth this morning. There are a lot of people out there who set themselves up as weight loss "experts" online, and otherwise. Some even have the nerve to write books, with no real personal experience. I spent forty years of my life either overweight or obese. My highest weight was 365. I have always been interested in permanently resolving this issue. I sit here today, at a normal weight for my height. I have been at a normal weight for almost three years now after losing over 200 pounds. When these little Arseholes who have never had a weight problem post bullshirt on the net it sometimes gripes me enough to have to answer. Weight watchers has not always had a good program. Some of the MAJOR problems in the past that kept me from success are below: a.. Eliminating *"bad"* foods b.. Lack of a flexibility in food choices c.. No real research base d.. Ignoring the emotional Permanent weight loss for people who are very heavy is Not About Food at all. Today's weight watchers program is research based, and teaches people to live in the real world without trying to constrain them to an unrealistic and punitive set of food choices. It trains people to eat in the manner that normal thin people eat. Sensibly for the most part, with moderate portions of any and all foods that are interesting. Current research has proven that the number one predictor of diet failure and weight regain is unrealistic expectations. Eliminating all *bad* foods is unrealistic. Quick and easy weight loss is impossible. Anyone who tries to live their lives in a world of abundance without tasting small amounts of things that they see others having is setting themselves up for failure. Weight watchers now has: a.. Research based interventions for dealing with emotional eating b.. A plan that incorporates sensible portions and teaches about healthy food choices c.. A sensible activity program d.. Tools to teach people what they need to know to lose the weight and maintain their losses. People who criticize the program have invariably either NOT BEEN MEMBERS AT ALL and don't read research studies, such as George, people who were members years ago, or are people who thought all they had to do was show up and not do any of the suggestions or read any of the materials. People who fail to lose the weight, and maintain their losses are those who quit, or don't follow the suggestions. I know many successes from my years of experience. Weight watchers does work for EVERYONE who follows the program. To blame the organization for people who quit, or to arbitrarily post that is doesn't work from a totally clueless point of view is beyond ignorant. Thank's for Sharing your story! Well said...Thanks for sharing...GG Just felt the need to post a little truth this morning. There are a lot of people out there who set themselves up as weight loss "experts" online, and otherwise. Some even have the nerve to write books, with no real personal experience. I spent forty years of my life either overweight or obese. My highest weight was 365. I have always been interested in permanently resolving this issue. I sit here today, at a normal weight for my height. I have been at a normal weight for almost three years now after losing over 200 pounds. When these little Arseholes who have never had a weight problem post bullshirt on the net it sometimes gripes me enough to have to answer. Weight watchers has not always had a good program. Some of the MAJOR problems in the past that kept me from success are below: a.. Eliminating *"bad"* foods b.. Lack of a flexibility in food choices c.. No real research base d.. Ignoring the emotional Permanent weight loss for people who are very heavy is Not About Food at all. Today's weight watchers program is research based, and teaches people to live in the real world without trying to constrain them to an unrealistic and punitive set of food choices. It trains people to eat in the manner that normal thin people eat. Sensibly for the most part, with moderate portions of any and all foods that are interesting. Current research has proven that the number one predictor of diet failure and weight regain is unrealistic expectations. Eliminating all *bad* foods is unrealistic. Quick and easy weight loss is impossible. Anyone who tries to live their lives in a world of abundance without tasting small amounts of things that they see others having is setting themselves up for failure. Weight watchers now has: a.. Research based interventions for dealing with emotional eating b.. A plan that incorporates sensible portions and teaches about healthy food choices c.. A sensible activity program d.. Tools to teach people what they need to know to lose the weight and maintain their losses. People who criticize the program have invariably either NOT BEEN MEMBERS AT ALL and don't read research studies, such as George, people who were members years ago, or are people who thought all they had to do was show up and not do any of the suggestions or read any of the materials. People who fail to lose the weight, and maintain their losses are those who quit, or don't follow the suggestions. I know many successes from my years of experience. Weight watchers does work for EVERYONE who follows the program. To blame the organization for people who quit, or to arbitrarily post that is doesn't work from a totally clueless point of view is beyond ignorant. > Just felt the need to post a little truth this morning. There are a lot of people out there who set themselves up as weight loss "experts" online, and otherwise. Some even have the nerve to write books, with no real personal experience. > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > d.. Tools to teach people what they need to know to lose the weight and maintain their losses. > People who criticize the program have invariably either NOT BEEN MEMBERS AT ALL and don't read research studies, such as George, people who were members years ago, or are people who thought all they had to do was show up and not do any of the suggestions or read any of the materials. People who fail to lose the weight, and maintain their losses are those who quit, or don't follow the suggestions. I know many successes from my years of experience. Weight watchers does work for EVERYONE who follows the program. To blame the organization for people who quit, or to arbitrarily post that is doesn't work from a totally clueless point of view is beyond ignorant. Hear hear Lesanne. For me, the reason why WW works, is because it makes sense. Counting points gave me a handle on how to approach food, and taught me to know when to stop. Thanks for a great mail, Nathalie SignatureNathalie from Belgium 134.1/92/minigoal 90.3/Goal 68 Kg 295.6/202.8/minigoal 199/Goal 150 pounds Thanks for sharing, Lesanne. As I said in another post on this group, I have been a member of WW more times than I can remember, when my mother first took me at the age of 12 when my 'problem' was much less of a 'problem' than it is now. Back then, I agree, WW was way more restricitve, and I think that is one of ther reasons that I could not succeed. I love the plan now, and I have yet to see a physician tell you that it is not one of the best, if not the best plan out there. I feel that it now teaches you a lifestyle change, rather than restrict you from the foods you want and crave from time to time. I can eat out with my family (which we do a lot, the way our life is right now) and find something to eat anywhere I go, it just takes maybe a little more planning. I am not currently a member of WW, I am considering joining online tho, and I am trying to 'do it on my own' at the moment, I have lost about 5 lbs in the past 2 weeks. I just need to be more disciplined about me food choices, and also to include exercise. Very hard to fit it in, but I know that is a big key for me. I keep thinking, "this weight will take FOREVER to get off" but I have been saying that for years, I just need to shut up, quit procrastinating, and make this change. Your story gives me hope. Thanks again for sharing it. -Donna >Just felt the need to post a little truth this morning. There are a lot of people out there who set themselves up as weight loss "experts" online, and otherwise. Some even have the nerve to write books, with no real personal experience. > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > d.. Tools to teach people what they need to know to lose the weight and maintain their losses. >People who criticize the program have invariably either NOT BEEN MEMBERS AT ALL and don't read research studies, such as George, people who were members years ago, or are people who thought all they had to do was show up and not do any of the suggestions or read any of the materials. People who fail to lose the weight, and maintain their losses are those who quit, or don't follow the suggestions. I know many successes from my years of experience. Weight watchers does work for EVERYONE who follows the program. To blame the organization for people who quit, or to arbitrarily post that is doesn't work from a totally clueless point of view is beyond ignorant. Signature"Discipline is the difference between what you want now and what you want most." -Ann Vertel Donna, I recommend joining long enough to go through their entire box of "tools for living" and do everything they suggest. You might be surprised at what you come out with. SignatureLeslie Arnim larnim48@email.uophx.edu Thanks for sharing, Lesanne. As I said in another post on this group, I have been a member of WW more times than I can remember, when my mother first took me at the age of 12 when my 'problem' was much less of a 'problem' than it is now. Back then, I agree, WW was way more restricitve, and I think that is one of ther reasons that I could not succeed. I love the plan now, and I have yet to see a physician tell you that it is not one of the best, if not the best plan out there. I feel that it now teaches you a lifestyle change, rather than restrict you from the foods you want and crave from time to time. I can eat out with my family (which we do a lot, the way our life is right now) and find something to eat anywhere I go, it just takes maybe a little Message posted via http://www.weightadviser.com you are truely an inspiration to us all Lesanne thank you Shirley Just felt the need to post a little truth this morning. There are a lot of people out there who set themselves up as weight loss "experts" online, and otherwise. Some even have the nerve to write books, with no real personal experience. I spent forty years of my life either overweight or obese. My highest weight was 365. I have always been interested in permanently resolving this issue. I sit here today, at a normal weight for my height. I have been at a normal weight for almost three years now after losing over 200 pounds. When these little Arseholes who have never had a weight problem post bullshirt on the net it sometimes gripes me enough to have to answer. Weight watchers has not always had a good program. Some of the MAJOR problems in the past that kept me from success are below: a.. Eliminating *"bad"* foods b.. Lack of a flexibility in food choices c.. No real research base d.. Ignoring the emotional Permanent weight loss for people who are very heavy is Not About Food at all. Today's weight watchers program is research based, and teaches people to live in the real world without trying to constrain them to an unrealistic and punitive set of food choices. It trains people to eat in the manner that normal thin people eat. Sensibly for the most part, with moderate portions of any and all foods that are interesting. Current research has proven that the number one predictor of diet failure and weight regain is unrealistic expectations. Eliminating all *bad* foods is unrealistic. Quick and easy weight loss is impossible. Anyone who tries to live their lives in a world of abundance without tasting small amounts of things that they see others having is setting themselves up for failure. Weight watchers now has: a.. Research based interventions for dealing with emotional eating b.. A plan that incorporates sensible portions and teaches about healthy food choices c.. A sensible activity program d.. Tools to teach people what they need to know to lose the weight and maintain their losses. People who criticize the program have invariably either NOT BEEN MEMBERS AT ALL and don't read research studies, such as George, people who were members years ago, or are people who thought all they had to do was show up and not do any of the suggestions or read any of the materials. People who fail to lose the weight, and maintain their losses are those who quit, or don't follow the suggestions. I know many successes from my years of experience. Weight watchers does work for EVERYONE who follows the program. To blame the organization for people who quit, or to arbitrarily post that is doesn't work from a totally clueless point of view is beyond ignorant. As someone new to all this, I appreciate hearing the opinions. Thanks for the encouragement everyone. You are still overweight, but congratulations on the improvement so far. The reason I don't read much research on the subject of weight loss is that the research itself can too quickly become one's focus, rather than taking direct control of the problem and eliminating it in obvious ways. Witness all the postings here about about counting points, weigh-ins, plan failures etc. Just eliminate the junk food, and nature will get you where you want to be. No membership costs, no lifelong point-counting, no drama. The same way winners stop smoking. I spent forty years of my life either overweight or obese. My highest weight was 365. I have always been interested in permanently resolving this issue. I sit here today, at a normal weight for my height. I have been at a normal weight for almost three years now after losing over 200 pounds. People who criticize the program have invariably either NOT BEEN MEMBERS AT ALL and don't read research studies, <snip> She's not overweight but as usual you can't let the truth interfere with your psychotic delusions. Signaturethe volleyballchick You are still overweight, but congratulations on the improvement so far. The reason I don't read much research on the subject of weight loss is that the research itself can too quickly become one's focus, rather than taking direct control of the problem and eliminating it in obvious ways. Witness all the postings here about about counting points, weigh-ins, plan failures etc. Just eliminate the junk food, and nature will get you where you want to be. No membership costs, no lifelong point-counting, no drama. The same way winners stop smoking. "lesanne" <larnimnot@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:vajcg.51723$Qq.17261@tornado.texas.rr.com... I spent forty years of my life either overweight or obese. My highest weight was 365. I have always been interested in permanently resolving this issue. I sit here today, at a normal weight for my height. I have been at a normal weight for almost three years now after losing over 200 pounds. People who criticize the program have invariably either NOT BEEN MEMBERS AT ALL and don't read research studies, <snip> |
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