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Weight Loss Forum / WeightWatchers / July 2006Struggling :(
Hi All, Getting back from the cruise - being stressed over money and work - heading to Ottawa for the weekend - dealing with summer barbecues - the list goes on and on............hohum!!!! <sigh> Well......I've dropped my anchor and I'm sittin' in my row boat in the middle of the lake (ocean perhaps?) right now :(........ Man it's really stormy and rainy back where I came from - I definitely don't want to ever go back there! NEVER! But the truth of the matter is that I had a lapse this weekend............a big one :( Before WW, I used to be a major McDonald's fanatic - don't ask me why, but I just was, Harvey's, Wendy's Burger King! I was a connoiseur of them all!!! hehee Well since starting WW back in June 2005, I've only given into my cravings once! It was for a quarter pounder and fries only a few months into WW, I counted the points and really didn't even enjoy it much.......but now some 10 months after (maybe it's been longer?) I gave in this weekend and I ate the whole shabang!!! I'm very embarrassed to report that I gave in and ordered a Big Mac, Fries and a diet coke...........and I totally scarfed the Big Mac, literally in a matter of seconds!!!!!! I tell ya, I was just like a hungry dog getting meat for the first time!!!...........it was really, really sad :(...........That was on Saturday night around 11:00pm!!!........ and if you can believe this, it was also after a nice baked potatoe and 5oz fillet mignon for supper :(.......... I thought to myself - well good - NOW it's out of my system............but noooooooooOOO!!!! On Sunday night, the drive home was pathetic, bumper to bumper and I had to make an emergency rest stop..........wouldn't you know it, but the only place around was a damn McDonald's - and my situation was VERrrrrrrrrrrry urgent! LOL! On the way out, I thought to myself, ah, what the heck - I haven't had a chocolate shake in over a year - so boommmmmmmm! I did it again!!!! - Instead of walking out the door, I decided to order a chocolate shake for the road! You'd think I would at least order a small, but NOOOOOOoooo, I had to order a large one!.........I'm telling ya, it didn't stand a chance! I hoofed it down before I even made it to the car in the parking lot.........:( <sigh> Can you tell I didn't have a very successful weekend? Can you tell I'm a bit bummed out? Oh well......I got back to normal yesterday and today but unfortunately, but I'm sorry to report I've over eaten my points a bit on both days. Friday's WI isn't looking good at all at this point in time, but I know I need to go to my meeting. I know fully in my heart that I'm not just going to WW to pay to step on the scale!!!!! I'm going to WW to take part in the meeting and to learn how to deal with situations like this and others. Trust me when I say that I am trying desperately to reframe this entire situation into a positive manner, but right now I can't - the bottom line is, I fell off the horse big time and now I need to get back OP and stick to it. Just writing this post is helping me greatly - thanks for listening......... Eddie Weight June05-359lbs Current Weight-282.2lbs Loss to date=76.8lbs Goal Weight-180lbs You recognised what you did. Thats a big step. You counted the points and took accountability for it, another big step. Perhaps you need to look at your triggers and see WHY you did that. Well done on getting back OP, thats the main thing! > Hi All, > [quoted text clipped - 86 lines] > Loss to date=76.8lbs > Goal Weight-180lbs not really any triggers.......at least I don't think so??? ................I've been stressed before and haven't turned to eating junk for comfort. I think what happened here is that I've kinda let myself slip into "vacation mode" and I have justified somehow in my own mind that a little splurge for the last 2 weeks is not going to push me back to where I started? Perhaps,deep down inside, I'm justifying my actions by telling myself that I deserve this little splurge because I've been so good for over a year now? I just don't know for sure, but I can honestly say that I have no intentions of continuing down this destructive path............NO WAY!........ I'm back OP and I intend to stay that way now.........my little lapse is over.......Thanks very much for your comments. I sincerely appreciate them. Eddie Weight June05-359lbs Current Weight-282.2lbs Loss to date=76.8lbs Goal Weight-180lbs You recognised what you did. Thats a big step. You counted the points and took accountability for it, another big step. Perhaps you need to look at your triggers and see WHY you did that. Well done on getting back OP, thats the main thing! > Hi All, > [quoted text clipped - 86 lines] > Loss to date=76.8lbs > Goal Weight-180lbs good for you, and reread your post, see if any of the stressors are different or bigger or a different combination than in the past, or were you just jonesin'fur dat grease??? Lee > not really any triggers.......at least I don't think so??? > [quoted text clipped - 117 lines] > > Loss to date=76.8lbs > > Goal Weight-180lbs > not really any triggers.......at least I don't think so??? > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > Loss to date=76.8lbs > Goal Weight-180lbs Just remind yourself each day is a new day - and jumping back on Program is the first step in the right direction! Also, 76.8 lbs lost is incredible!!! Remember where you came from, too. :) -L. Thanks -L,,,,,yes, I will never lose sight of where I came from and I definitely WON'T ever go back there! Eddie Weight June05-359.0lbs Current Weight-291.8lbs Loss to date=67.2lbs Goal Weight-180.0lbs Eddie-Type2 (-) wrote: > not really any triggers.......at least I don't think so??? > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > Loss to date=76.8lbs > Goal Weight-180lbs Just remind yourself each day is a new day - and jumping back on Program is the first step in the right direction! Also, 76.8 lbs lost is incredible!!! Remember where you came from, too. :) -L. Been there, done that. Not over the last 400 days or so, but all of us have been in the same position you are. And we know how it feels, the thoughts of food that go through your mind and all of that. I think it is good you are posting about it now rather than later. It sounds to me like you are finding the points to be a psychological barrier that you hate facing each day. For that reason, why don't you try switching to Core for a while? At least you aren't facing strict limits that way. doug On 7/19/06 8:39 AM, in article Tjevg.78517$hp.78199@read2.cgocable.net, > Hi All, > [quoted text clipped - 70 lines] > Loss to date=76.8lbs > Goal Weight-180lbs Hey Doug.......Core sounds like a really good idea and yes the points are bugging me a bit.....you may be right - I may need a change.........but at the same time, I'm glad I posted - I think it's helped me more than I think to get back on program..... I really appreciate your sincere comments.........thanks! Eddie Weight June05-359lbs Current Weight-282.2lbs Loss to date=76.8lbs Goal Weight-180lbs Been there, done that. Not over the last 400 days or so, but all of us have been in the same position you are. And we know how it feels, the thoughts of food that go through your mind and all of that. I think it is good you are posting about it now rather than later. It sounds to me like you are finding the points to be a psychological barrier that you hate facing each day. For that reason, why don't you try switching to Core for a while? At least you aren't facing strict limits that way. doug On 7/19/06 8:39 AM, in article Tjevg.78517$hp.78199@read2.cgocable.net, "Eddie-Type2" <eddies-drafting@cogeco.ca> wrote: > Hi All, > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Well since starting WW back in June 2005, I've only given into my cravings > once! It was for a quarter pounder and fries only a few months into WW, I > counted the points and really didn't even enjoy it much.......but now some > 10 months after (maybe it's been longer?) I gave in this weekend and I ate [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] > Loss to date=76.8lbs > Goal Weight-180lbs On 7/20/06 10:11 AM, in article NOAvg.81882$hp.24863@read2.cgocable.net, > Hey Doug.......Core sounds like a really good idea and yes the points are > bugging me a bit.....you may be right - I may need a change.........but at > the same time, I'm glad I posted - I think it's helped me more than I think > to get back on program..... Absolutely. And remember if you do try Core - you are STILL on program! I believe the ability to switch back and forth between Core and Flex Points is a standard part of the program. doug > On 7/20/06 10:11 AM, in article NOAvg.81882$hp.24863@read2.cgocable.net, > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > doug Remember that you need to give each a good trial period. Day by day switching doesn't work! My leader says you need to give Core/No Count a good month to start with.  SignatureKate XXXXXX R.C.T.Q Madame Chef des Trolls Lady Catherine, Wardrobe Mistress of the Chocolate Buttons http://www.katedicey.co.uk Click on Kate's Pages and explore! you can switch every week if you want, Lee > On 7/20/06 10:11 AM, in article NOAvg.81882$hp.24863@read2.cgocable.net, > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > doug I think you already begun dealing with the solution...Your aware you have slipped and will keep on...We all I believe have our moments...In the past would you have even thought much passed the disposal?...I must say I always found relief when I was able to dispose of the cardboard and bag...Sounds to me that your more on track then you even realize...GG > Hi All, > [quoted text clipped - 86 lines] > Loss to date=76.8lbs > Goal Weight-180lbs Hey Gary..............nice to hear from you :) YES< you are right.......in the past, I wouldn't have thought much about it past the disposal...........HOW TRUE THAT STATEMENT IS!!!!! Thanks for your words of encouragement..........things are looking better already :) Eddie Weight June05-359lbs Current Weight-282.2lbs Loss to date=76.8lbs Goal Weight-180lbs I think you already begun dealing with the solution...Your aware you have slipped and will keep on...We all I believe have our moments...In the past would you have even thought much passed the disposal?...I must say I always found relief when I was able to dispose of the cardboard and bag...Sounds to me that your more on track then you even realize...GG > Hi All, > [quoted text clipped - 86 lines] > Loss to date=76.8lbs > Goal Weight-180lbs Eddie, we all have these crises. Try not to beat yourself up over it. Tie a knot and move on: the past is dead and gone, and what you do tomorrow is more important in this journey. My diet-busters are bread and cheese. I find both very hard to leave on the plate. Most of the time I manage to pass by on the other side, but occasionally I do my good Samaritan act and help them on their way! ;) You should allow yourself a weekend off now and again. I let myself do the cheese and bread thing at the weekend, and didn't count points at all. My portions were moderate rather than huge, and what I had was enough to satisfy but now so much that my innards suffered. After such a weekend you may have a stall or an upward blip for a week, but don't let that depress you. It's part of the course, and part of learning what you can and cannot get away with. Oh, and try re-naming the things you like to scarf down like a one-man locust plague: Bugger King and MacDeadthings work for me! Maybe you could help your cravings by making your own burgers with very lean steak mince or turkey mince, and home made baps? Making them would use up a few of the extra points they contained: the longer you knead bread, the better the texture. SignatureKate XXXXXX R.C.T.Q Madame Chef des Trolls Lady Catherine, Wardrobe Mistress of the Chocolate Buttons http://www.katedicey.co.uk Click on Kate's Pages and explore! On 7/19/06 4:54 PM, in article 44bde3c0$0$22089$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader01.plus.net, "Kate Dicey" <kate@diceyhome.free-online.co.uk> wrote: > You should allow yourself a weekend off now and again I still come down on the side of NEVER taking a day off no matter what the reason. To me it is like telling an alcoholic to allow him or herself a weekend off now and again. I think the same kind of mental issues apply. doug I disagree Doug, I would not take a whole weekend off, but I do take a meal off every now and then. It has never tripped me up plan wise, on the contrary it makes me feel like I'm doing the right thing. To me this is not a diet,but a lifestyle, that implies flexibility, enjoyment and occasionnal treats. Over all that, taking a meal off and getting right back on plan has taught me that stepping aside isn't the end of thing since I am fully able to get right back to my plan the moment I decide to. Will~ > On 7/19/06 4:54 PM, in article > 44bde3c0$0$22089$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader01.plus.net, "Kate Dicey" [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > doug I think the difference between what you and I are saying *might* be a matter of our definitions, to a certain point anyway... My own plan (and WW for that matter) has "built in flexibility". So it is very easy to have a very large, extravagant meal from time to time. You can blow all your free points in one evening if you want to, right? What I am saying is that it is unwise to go beyond that. And maybe we do disagree here. I think your lifetime plan needs the flexibility to splurge built-in. Weight Watchers has free points. I have my bonus points. I strongly believe, however, it is dangerous to gorge yourself without limit beyond your plan. I think you should always remain on your plan - NO MATTER WHAT. At least I know that is true for myself. I know I can't "temporarily go off plan" and then easily get on the wagon again. There would be too much of a temptation to extend it "for just one more day". And we all know what that leads too. Yes, we have to be flexible and have a program we can live with forever. But we also have to accept reality and recognize what food means to people (like me) who had become morbidly obese due to our food additions. doug On 7/19/06 11:34 PM, in article Nprvg.50886$VE1.17390@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com, "Willow Herself" <willowkinda@somethingkikeseamountains.net> wrote: > I disagree Doug, I would not take a whole weekend off, but I do take a meal > off every now and then. It has never tripped me up plan wise, on the [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >> >> doug >I think the difference between what you and I are saying *might* be a >matter [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > doug I agree with you on your points. The thing I've liked about WW is that it's flexible enough to have a splurge, but because of the limited amount of WAP's it puts a ceiling on the splurging. Another thing to do if you know you've got something coming up is to earn AP's earlier in the day. Some leaders say you can eat all of the AP's you earn and some limit it to 4. It's one thing to splurge consciously and in a quasi or fully planned manner and it's another to let go and delve back into the unconscious or uncontrolled binge behavior that got us where we are in the first place. However unlike a regular addict, we have to take our poison on a daily basis and manage it. Sometimes people lapse but the more practice you get recovering from the lapse, the shorter and less severe they become. Anything that I would consider a binge these days is nothing compared to what it used to be but that's not saying it couldn't slide back if I don't stay on it. Signaturethe volleyballchick you make the perfect point, you know for yourself that going off plan is not an option due to your relationship with food... Will on the other hand, has agreed with herself to take a meal off now and then, I think Kate has commented that she takes a day or weekend off now and then, I know Kate even writes something in her journal to indicate this, the commonality here is that all 3 of you have determined in advance what is acceptable behavior and abide by it, that is the "TRUE on program for me, Lee > I think the difference between what you and I are saying *might* be a matter > of our definitions, to a certain point anyway... [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > >> > >> doug Regarding this, I eat different foods on the weekend, and usually more calories that a weekday, but I don't go into the whirlpool on purpose. The one I was talking about. A big mac is not food, in the same way that several of those fast break candy bars is not food. SignatureLeslie Arnim larnim48@email.uophx.edu On 7/19/06 4:54 PM, in article 44bde3c0$0$22089$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader01.plus.net, "Kate Dicey" <kate@diceyhome.free-online.co.uk> wrote: > You should allow yourself a weekend off now and again I still come down on the side of NEVER taking a day off no matter what the reason. To me it is like telling an alcoholic to allow him or herself a weekend off now and again. I think the same kind of mental issues apply. doug > On 7/19/06 4:54 PM, in article > 44bde3c0$0$22089$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader01.plus.net, "Kate Dicey" [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > reason. To me it is like telling an alcoholic to allow him or herself a > weekend off now and again. I think the same kind of mental issues apply. I agree. This also applies to smokers. There is no way I could ever smoke just one cigarette or smoke for a weekend and stop on Monday morning. LW Start - 7/5 - 170lbs Today - 162½ lbs Goal - 130lbs ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I think this is a ymmv deal, sometimes if I start getting overwhelmed I struggle as best as I can until the last day of my week, eat what I want and think about what I will do the next week, so I have "permission" to eat but my brain is thinking about WW so my choices while more lax are far better than they used to be... Lee > On 7/19/06 4:54 PM, in article > 44bde3c0$0$22089$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader01.plus.net, "Kate Dicey" [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > doug Hi Kate............thanks for chiming in on this one. Ahhhhhhh........bread and cheese (perhaps my next relapse? hehehe)!!! Believe it or not, I actually tried this Ottawa trip and a "weekend off" and that's kind of why I gave in to my cravings. But in all honesty, I really feel bad now that I did it. It's not so much a guilt feeling but rather a more "pissed off at myself" type of feeling because I've now set myself back a few weeks from where I was. I'm kind of on the fence with this one. One side of me says, "try to fit in as many things as possible without changing too drastically". But then the other side of me says, "don't eat it, your addicted! you need to break the addiction, just like quitting smoking".....I'm really torn on this issue, but I also understand where both you and Doug are coming from on this. I honestly just wish that I was addicted to food!!........I love to eat and it seems that most stuff that packs on the weight quickly, is bad for you!!!........but some will say, "everything in moderation is OK"......my biggest problem is that I only need to look at a Big Mac and I put on 5 lbs!LOL! Oh well...........I will get through this in time........I may have lost a couple of battles in a row, but I still plan on winning the war............at all costs! I have to!!!.............My life depends on it......! and keeping that foremost in my mind will help me achieve my goal, no matter how many setbacks I may experience. Eddie Weight June05-359lbs Current Weight-282.2lbs Loss to date=76.8lbs Goal Weight-180lbs Eddie, we all have these crises. Try not to beat yourself up over it. Tie a knot and move on: the past is dead and gone, and what you do tomorrow is more important in this journey. My diet-busters are bread and cheese. I find both very hard to leave on the plate. Most of the time I manage to pass by on the other side, but occasionally I do my good Samaritan act and help them on their way! ;) You should allow yourself a weekend off now and again. I let myself do the cheese and bread thing at the weekend, and didn't count points at all. My portions were moderate rather than huge, and what I had was enough to satisfy but now so much that my innards suffered. After such a weekend you may have a stall or an upward blip for a week, but don't let that depress you. It's part of the course, and part of learning what you can and cannot get away with. Oh, and try re-naming the things you like to scarf down like a one-man locust plague: Bugger King and MacDeadthings work for me! Maybe you could help your cravings by making your own burgers with very lean steak mince or turkey mince, and home made baps? Making them would use up a few of the extra points they contained: the longer you knead bread, the better the texture. -- Kate XXXXXX R.C.T.Q Madame Chef des Trolls Lady Catherine, Wardrobe Mistress of the Chocolate Buttons http://www.katedicey.co.uk Click on Kate's Pages and explore! > Hi Kate............thanks for chiming in on this one. Ahhhhhhh........bread > and cheese (perhaps my next relapse? hehehe)!!! [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > more "pissed off at myself" type of feeling because I've now set myself back > a few weeks from where I was. Partly its guilt, isn't it? The old 'I've let myself down' sad disappointment thing... I gave up guilt in my teens, and just take responsibility for my decisions: if I have a weekend off and pig a bit on bread and cheese, I just enjoy it at the time and start again the following day, earning the exercise points and eating on plan. If I put on that week, I know why and work a bit harder to get it off again. This is not to say I never go astray: I have, and it is hard to get back to it, but I never beat myself up over it. I just do the best I can THAT DAY, and start afresh every day until it clicks into place again. > I'm kind of on the fence with this one. One side of me says, "try to fit in > as many things as possible without changing too drastically". But then the > other side of me says, "don't eat it, your addicted! you need to break the > addiction, just like quitting smoking".....I'm really torn on this issue, > but I also understand where both you and Doug are coming from on this. If there are particular things that trigger a pig-out session, you might do well to avoid them, at least for a while. I avoided chocolate as far as possible for several months, and do NOT buy things like shortbread because they were big piggy-triggers for me. 60+ lbs later I have learned the control and CAN have just one biscuit/cookie, rather than scarfing down the whole pack in a sitting! But I don't buy them in packs to have at home, I save them for treats when out. > I honestly just wish that I was addicted to food!!........I love to eat and > it seems that most stuff that packs on the weight quickly, is bad for > you!!!........but some will say, "everything in moderation is OK"......my > biggest problem is that I only need to look at a Big Mac and I put on 5 > lbs!LOL! I'm lucky in some respects in that most fatty foods do not appeal to me and never have. Deep fried dead things do nowt for me, but home made pastry, cake, bread, and mayo do! So I think of the expense, make then occasionally for birthday treats and such like occasions, and am very good about eating them in moderation as part of a meal. And the mayo I cut half and half with fat free Greek Yoghurt, and dial back the points that way. > Oh well...........I will get through this in time........I may have lost a > couple of battles in a row, but I still plan on winning the > war............at all costs! I have to!!!.............My life depends on > it......! and keeping that foremost in my mind will help me achieve my goal, > no matter how many setbacks I may experience. This is the thing that makes you keep to it. For me it is pain: over indulgence at a meal brings on the pain, so the pay-back is almost instant! When I do have a weekend off, I don't go mad: portions remain within the bounds of reality, and below pain threshold as far as possible. Usually it means I have a little cheese with the others in a pick & mix meal, along side lean cold meats, bales of salad (lightly dressed or not dressed at all), a few bits of French bread, or a desert, and a glass or three of white wine, over two or three days. Last weekend was my God-daughter's confirmation, and at church I avoided the pizza and other snack treats after the service (akk! Waaaaaay too hot for them! Now if they had ice cream, I'd have had one!), and we all went back to her parents for a meal of salads, cold meats and cheeses, bread, and a desert of fruit salad. Those of us weight watching just moderated our intake and enjoyed what we had, and let the kids demolish the rest! I suppose the cheese and the wine were the only real diet busters, and we were moderate in out intake and didn't trigger any binges. I allowed myself to relax rather than go mad: if you feel you aren't ready for that yet, go with the flow. It will come, though it may take some time. SignatureKate XXXXXX R.C.T.Q Madame Chef des Trolls Lady Catherine, Wardrobe Mistress of the Chocolate Buttons http://www.katedicey.co.uk Click on Kate's Pages and explore! the fact that you are honestly examining this is such a good NSV, also you have little kids, their lives depend on your success, it is not unreasonable that if they see you struggle they won't have to "be perfect" or "live up" not that you need to discuss your health issues with them but if they see you improving your health that will send such good messages, Lee > Hi Kate............thanks for chiming in on this one. Ahhhhhhh........bread > and cheese (perhaps my next relapse? hehehe)!!! [quoted text clipped - 56 lines] > http://www.katedicey.co.uk > Click on Kate's Pages and explore! Well Eddie, you know what's going on and you know what you need to do. There was a time in the past when a lapse like that would put me off track for months. Now I get back by the next meal. It's a skill that we learn with practice and you now have had some practice. Signaturethe volleyballchick > Hi All, > [quoted text clipped - 86 lines] > Loss to date=76.8lbs > Goal Weight-180lbs Hey VBChick...............great to hear from you :) YES, you're right - I know what's going on and I know what I need to do.......Here comes the practice part........Friday's WI and meeting should be quite interesting......... Eddie Weight June05-359lbs Current Weight-282.2lbs Loss to date=76.8lbs Goal Weight-180lbs Well Eddie, you know what's going on and you know what you need to do. There was a time in the past when a lapse like that would put me off track for months. Now I get back by the next meal. It's a skill that we learn with practice and you now have had some practice. -- the volleyballchick > Hi All, > [quoted text clipped - 86 lines] > Loss to date=76.8lbs > Goal Weight-180lbs Eddie in my case this whirlpool you find yourself in has happened to me hundreds of times. I did not really understand it until I had to study change management. Once for fun, and once in graduate school. Eating problems have one thing in common with any other addiction that people pick up. All are subject to relapse. That is the one thing that they all have in common. So. I eventually made a relapse plan. I expected this to happen, and I wrote out a plan for what to do when, not if it happened. Knowing this relieved me of quite a bit of personal guilt that I used to attach to the lapse. Not having to deal with the excess guilt (after all, this is what is supposed to happen....) I was able to move on into my written plan when things got bad. Usually quite quickly. I cannot write your plan for you, but mine involved journaling every bite, coming here and posting, and attending meetings weekly. I got into a bad case of the "I don't wannas" in 2006, and have been fighting this thing with those old tools all year. I am up to the point that it is touch and go which weekend each month will be the one where I can weigh in free. knowing what I know and being at goal does not make me any more immune to this. The only difference between you and I is that I know if I can limit the days that the I don't wanna and max the better days I will have a prayer of keeping this off. You can get what you want off if you learn how to slide out of this whirlpool. First part being accept that it is doing what it is doing, and look for the edge of the barstard... My relapse plan was stale. I did it too many times and frankly nothing works forever. I just got a new one about the beginning of this month and I am firmly out of the whirlpool right now and fired up as all getout. I am within about a pound of goal again. This problem period lasted SIX months this time before I felt like I had worked my way out, but the main trick is to not give up. So. First try what worked for you before. If that is a problem try something out of the box new. I ended up hiring a personal trainer. A little extreme? A little expensive? You check out the cost of a heart attack some time :). SignatureLes Hi All, Getting back from the cruise - being stressed over money and work - heading to Ottawa for the weekend - dealing with summer barbecues - the list goes on and on............hohum!!!! <sigh> Well......I've dropped my anchor and I'm sittin' in my row boat in the middle of the lake (ocean perhaps?) right now :(........ Man it's really stormy and rainy back where I came from - I definitely don't want to ever go back there! NEVER! But the truth of the matter is that I had a lapse this weekend............a big one :( Before WW, I used to be a major McDonald's fanatic - don't ask me why, but I just was, Harvey's, Wendy's Burger King! I was a connoiseur of them all!!! hehee Well since starting WW back in June 2005, I've only given into my cravings once! It was for a quarter pounder and fries only a few months into WW, I counted the points and really didn't even enjoy it much.......but now some 10 months after (maybe it's been longer?) I gave in this weekend and I ate the whole shabang!!! I'm very embarrassed to report that I gave in and ordered a Big Mac, Fries and a diet coke...........and I totally scarfed the Big Mac, literally in a matter of seconds!!!!!! I tell ya, I was just like a hungry dog getting meat for the first time!!!...........it was really, really sad :(...........That was on Saturday night around 11:00pm!!!........ and if you can believe this, it was also after a nice baked potatoe and 5oz fillet mignon for supper :(.......... I thought to myself - well good - NOW it's out of my system............but noooooooooOOO!!!! On Sunday night, the drive home was pathetic, bumper to bumper and I had to make an emergency rest stop..........wouldn't you know it, but the only place around was a damn McDonald's - and my situation was VERrrrrrrrrrrry urgent! LOL! On the way out, I thought to myself, ah, what the heck - I haven't had a chocolate shake in over a year - so boommmmmmmm! I did it again!!!! - Instead of walking out the door, I decided to order a chocolate shake for the road! You'd think I would at least order a small, but NOOOOOOoooo, I had to order a large one!.........I'm telling ya, it didn't stand a chance! I hoofed it down before I even made it to the car in the parking lot.........:( <sigh> Can you tell I didn't have a very successful weekend? Can you tell I'm a bit bummed out? Oh well......I got back to normal yesterday and today but unfortunately, but I'm sorry to report I've over eaten my points a bit on both days. Friday's WI isn't looking good at all at this point in time, but I know I need to go to my meeting. I know fully in my heart that I'm not just going to WW to pay to step on the scale!!!!! I'm going to WW to take part in the meeting and to learn how to deal with situations like this and others. Trust me when I say that I am trying desperately to reframe this entire situation into a positive manner, but right now I can't - the bottom line is, I fell off the horse big time and now I need to get back OP and stick to it. Just writing this post is helping me greatly - thanks for listening......... Eddie Weight June05-359lbs Current Weight-282.2lbs Loss to date=76.8lbs Goal Weight-180lbs Hi Lesanne! Thanks so much for your wonderful reply! I think you are right!~ I knew this was going to happed as well, and unfortunately, my plan was to just let it happed, get it out of my system, and get right back OP......I must admit that it's been harder than I thought, but I can honestly say, that with each day this week, I've gotten closer and closer to sticking totally to my allowed points and staying OP. I really do appreciate your kinds words and YES, it's been a bit of a whirlpool.........that's an understatement!!!! LOL! Eddie Weight June05-359lbs Current Weight-282.2lbs Loss to date=76.8lbs Goal Weight-180lbs Eddie in my case this whirlpool you find yourself in has happened to me hundreds of times. I did not really understand it until I had to study change management. Once for fun, and once in graduate school. Eating problems have one thing in common with any other addiction that people pick up. All are subject to relapse. That is the one thing that they all have in common. So. I eventually made a relapse plan. I expected this to happen, and I wrote out a plan for what to do when, not if it happened. Knowing this relieved me of quite a bit of personal guilt that I used to attach to the lapse. Not having to deal with the excess guilt (after all, this is what is supposed to happen....) I was able to move on into my written plan when things got bad. Usually quite quickly. I cannot write your plan for you, but mine involved journaling every bite, coming here and posting, and attending meetings weekly. I got into a bad case of the "I don't wannas" in 2006, and have been fighting this thing with those old tools all year. I am up to the point that it is touch and go which weekend each month will be the one where I can weigh in free. knowing what I know and being at goal does not make me any more immune to this. The only difference between you and I is that I know if I can limit the days that the I don't wanna and max the better days I will have a prayer of keeping this off. You can get what you want off if you learn how to slide out of this whirlpool. First part being accept that it is doing what it is doing, and look for the edge of the barstard... My relapse plan was stale. I did it too many times and frankly nothing works forever. I just got a new one about the beginning of this month and I am firmly out of the whirlpool right now and fired up as all getout. I am within about a pound of goal again. This problem period lasted SIX months this time before I felt like I had worked my way out, but the main trick is to not give up. So. First try what worked for you before. If that is a problem try something out of the box new. I ended up hiring a personal trainer. A little extreme? A little expensive? You check out the cost of a heart attack some time :). -- Les "Eddie-Type2" <eddies(-)drafting@cogeco.ca> wrote in message news:Tjevg.78517$hp.78199@read2.cgocable.net... Hi All, Getting back from the cruise - being stressed over money and work - heading to Ottawa for the weekend - dealing with summer barbecues - the list goes on and on............hohum!!!! <sigh> Well......I've dropped my anchor and I'm sittin' in my row boat in the middle of the lake (ocean perhaps?) right now :(........ Man it's really stormy and rainy back where I came from - I definitely don't want to ever go back there! NEVER! But the truth of the matter is that I had a lapse this weekend............a big one :( Before WW, I used to be a major McDonald's fanatic - don't ask me why, but I just was, Harvey's, Wendy's Burger King! I was a connoiseur of them all!!! hehee Well since starting WW back in June 2005, I've only given into my cravings once! It was for a quarter pounder and fries only a few months into WW, I counted the points and really didn't even enjoy it much.......but now some 10 months after (maybe it's been longer?) I gave in this weekend and I ate the whole shabang!!! I'm very embarrassed to report that I gave in and ordered a Big Mac, Fries and a diet coke...........and I totally scarfed the Big Mac, literally in a matter of seconds!!!!!! I tell ya, I was just like a hungry dog getting meat for the first time!!!...........it was really, really sad :(...........That was on Saturday night around 11:00pm!!!........ and if you can believe this, it was also after a nice baked potatoe and 5oz fillet mignon for supper :(.......... I thought to myself - well good - NOW it's out of my system............but noooooooooOOO!!!! On Sunday night, the drive home was pathetic, bumper to bumper and I had to make an emergency rest stop..........wouldn't you know it, but the only place around was a damn McDonald's - and my situation was VERrrrrrrrrrrry urgent! LOL! On the way out, I thought to myself, ah, what the heck - I haven't had a chocolate shake in over a year - so boommmmmmmm! I did it again!!!! - Instead of walking out the door, I decided to order a chocolate shake for the road! You'd think I would at least order a small, but NOOOOOOoooo, I had to order a large one!.........I'm telling ya, it didn't stand a chance! I hoofed it down before I even made it to the car in the parking lot.........:( <sigh> Can you tell I didn't have a very successful weekend? Can you tell I'm a bit bummed out? Oh well......I got back to normal yesterday and today but unfortunately, but I'm sorry to report I've over eaten my points a bit on both days. Friday's WI isn't looking good at all at this point in time, but I know I need to go to my meeting. I know fully in my heart that I'm not just going to WW to pay to step on the scale!!!!! I'm going to WW to take part in the meeting and to learn how to deal with situations like this and others. Trust me when I say that I am trying desperately to reframe this entire situation into a positive manner, but right now I can't - the bottom line is, I fell off the horse big time and now I need to get back OP and stick to it. Just writing this post is helping me greatly - thanks for listening......... Eddie Weight June05-359lbs Current Weight-282.2lbs Loss to date=76.8lbs Goal Weight-180lbs Eddie the tip off here is not so much that you ate the Big Mac, etc. it is the description of How you ate it. i.e. fast :). That, believe it or not, says a lot about what was going on. You were not savoring a special rare treat their, you were doing that in a rather self-abusive way? I don't know if you follow me here. I love burgers too. I had one that I can remember a few weeks ago. I got the Jr. size and nibbled on it for a good 15 minutes, enjoying every bite. That is so different than the situation that happens when I am in a "relapse" mode, and just swallow something whole ! SignatureLesanne Hi Lesanne! Thanks so much for your wonderful reply! I think you are right!~ I knew this was going to happed as well, and unfortunately, my plan was to just let it happed, get it out of my system, and get right back OP......I must admit that it's been harder than I thought, but I can honestly say, that with each day this week, I've gotten closer and closer to sticking totally to my allowed points and staying OP. I really do appreciate your kinds words and YES, it's been a bit of a whirlpool.........that's an understatement!!!! LOL! Eddie Weight June05-359lbs Current Weight-282.2lbs Loss to date=76.8lbs Goal Weight-180lbs "lesanne" <larnimnot@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:5Irvg.841$YO6.136@tornado.texas.rr.com... Eddie in my case this whirlpool you find yourself in has happened to me hundreds of times. I did not really understand it until I had to study change management. Once for fun, and once in graduate school. Eating problems have one thing in common with any other addiction that people pick up. All are subject to relapse. That is the one thing that they all have in common. So. I eventually made a relapse plan. I expected this to happen, and I wrote out a plan for what to do when, not if it happened. Knowing this relieved me of quite a bit of personal guilt that I used to attach to the lapse. Not having to deal with the excess guilt (after all, this is what is supposed to happen....) I was able to move on into my written plan when things got bad. Usually quite quickly. I cannot write your plan for you, but mine involved journaling every bite, coming here and posting, and attending meetings weekly. I got into a bad case of the "I don't wannas" in 2006, and have been fighting this thing with those old tools all year. I am up to the point that it is touch and go which weekend each month will be the one where I can weigh in free. knowing what I know and being at goal does not make me any more immune to this. The only difference between you and I is that I know if I can limit the days that the I don't wanna and max the better days I will have a prayer of keeping this off. You can get what you want off if you learn how to slide out of this whirlpool. First part being accept that it is doing what it is doing, and look for the edge of the barstard... My relapse plan was stale. I did it too many times and frankly nothing works forever. I just got a new one about the beginning of this month and I am firmly out of the whirlpool right now and fired up as all getout. I am within about a pound of goal again. This problem period lasted SIX months this time before I felt like I had worked my way out, but the main trick is to not give up. So. First try what worked for you before. If that is a problem try something out of the box new. I ended up hiring a personal trainer. A little extreme? A little expensive? You check out the cost of a heart attack some time :). -- Les "Eddie-Type2" <eddies(-)drafting@cogeco.ca> wrote in message news:Tjevg.78517$hp.78199@read2.cgocable.net... Hi All, Getting back from the cruise - being stressed over money and work - heading to Ottawa for the weekend - dealing with summer barbecues - the list goes on and on............hohum!!!! <sigh> Well......I've dropped my anchor and I'm sittin' in my row boat in the middle of the lake (ocean perhaps?) right now :(........ Man it's really stormy and rainy back where I came from - I definitely don't want to ever go back there! NEVER! But the truth of the matter is that I had a lapse this weekend............a big one :( Before WW, I used to be a major McDonald's fanatic - don't ask me why, but I just was, Harvey's, Wendy's Burger King! I was a connoiseur of them all!!! hehee Well since starting WW back in June 2005, I've only given into my cravings once! It was for a quarter pounder and fries only a few months into WW, I counted the points and really didn't even enjoy it much.......but now some 10 months after (maybe it's been longer?) I gave in this weekend and I ate the whole shabang!!! I'm very embarrassed to report that I gave in and ordered a Big Mac, Fries and a diet coke...........and I totally scarfed the Big Mac, literally in a matter of seconds!!!!!! I tell ya, I was just like a hungry dog getting meat for the first time!!!...........it was really, really sad :(...........That was on Saturday night around 11:00pm!!!........ and if you can believe this, it was also after a nice baked potatoe and 5oz fillet mignon for supper :(.......... I thought to myself - well good - NOW it's out of my system............but noooooooooOOO!!!! On Sunday night, the drive home was pathetic, bumper to bumper and I had to make an emergency rest stop..........wouldn't you know it, but the only place around was a damn McDonald's - and my situation was VERrrrrrrrrrrry urgent! LOL! On the way out, I thought to myself, ah, what the heck - I haven't had a chocolate shake in over a year - so boommmmmmmm! I did it again!!!! - Instead of walking out the door, I decided to order a chocolate shake for the road! You'd think I would at least order a small, but NOOOOOOoooo, I had to order a large one!.........I'm telling ya, it didn't stand a chance! I hoofed it down before I even made it to the car in the parking lot.........:( <sigh> Can you tell I didn't have a very successful weekend? Can you tell I'm a bit bummed out? Oh well......I got back to normal yesterday and today but unfortunately, but I'm sorry to report I've over eaten my points a bit on both days. Friday's WI isn't looking good at all at this point in time, but I know I need to go to my meeting. I know fully in my heart that I'm not just going to WW to pay to step on the scale!!!!! I'm going to WW to take part in the meeting and to learn how to deal with situations like this and others. Trust me when I say that I am trying desperately to reframe this entire situation into a positive manner, but right now I can't - the bottom line is, I fell off the horse big time and now I need to get back OP and stick to it. Just writing this post is helping me greatly - thanks for listening......... Eddie Weight June05-359lbs Current Weight-282.2lbs Loss to date=76.8lbs Goal Weight-180lbs It's amazing that I misspelled happen twice!!!!!!!! (happed) what the heck was that? LOL!..... You're right again Lesanne........in my own words......" I scarfed it down ".......ya, that was certainly the OLD Eddie shining through with true colors!!!!! (notice the American spelling of colours? - no "u")........ I guess seeing my old ugly self coming out from hiding has really scared me a bit........but that's a good thing!..........it's means that I truly don't want to go back there and by talking about it, thinking about it, writing about it, it's all starting to make me feel good about where I am today........ This group is so helpful and my Friday meeting group is wonderful too............it's nice to know that people like you are out there for me Lesanne......... Eddie Weight June05-359lbs Current Weight-282.2lbs Loss to date=76.8lbs Goal Weight-180lbs Eddie the tip off here is not so much that you ate the Big Mac, etc. it is the description of How you ate it. i.e. fast :). That, believe it or not, says a lot about what was going on. You were not savoring a special rare treat their, you were doing that in a rather self-abusive way? I don't know if you follow me here. I love burgers too. I had one that I can remember a few weeks ago. I got the Jr. size and nibbled on it for a good 15 minutes, enjoying every bite. That is so different than the situation that happens when I am in a "relapse" mode, and just swallow something whole ! -- Lesanne "Eddie-Type2" <eddies(-)drafting@cogeco.ca> wrote in message news:zzAvg.81881$hp.9308@read2.cgocable.net... Hi Lesanne! Thanks so much for your wonderful reply! I think you are right!~ I knew this was going to happed as well, and unfortunately, my plan was to just let it happed, get it out of my system, and get right back OP......I must admit that it's been harder than I thought, but I can honestly say, that with each day this week, I've gotten closer and closer to sticking totally to my allowed points and staying OP. I really do appreciate your kinds words and YES, it's been a bit of a whirlpool.........that's an understatement!!!! LOL! Eddie Weight June05-359lbs Current Weight-282.2lbs Loss to date=76.8lbs Goal Weight-180lbs "lesanne" <larnimnot@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:5Irvg.841$YO6.136@tornado.texas.rr.com... Eddie in my case this whirlpool you find yourself in has happened to me hundreds of times. I did not really understand it until I had to study change management. Once for fun, and once in graduate school. Eating problems have one thing in common with any other addiction that people pick up. All are subject to relapse. That is the one thing that they all have in common. So. I eventually made a relapse plan. I expected this to happen, and I wrote out a plan for what to do when, not if it happened. Knowing this relieved me of quite a bit of personal guilt that I used to attach to the lapse. Not having to deal with the excess guilt (after all, this is what is supposed to happen....) I was able to move on into my written plan when things got bad. Usually quite quickly. I cannot write your plan for you, but mine involved journaling every bite, coming here and posting, and attending meetings weekly. I got into a bad case of the "I don't wannas" in 2006, and have been fighting this thing with those old tools all year. I am up to the point that it is touch and go which weekend each month will be the one where I can weigh in free. knowing what I know and being at goal does not make me any more immune to this. The only difference between you and I is that I know if I can limit the days that the I don't wanna and max the better days I will have a prayer of keeping this off. You can get what you want off if you learn how to slide out of this whirlpool. First part being accept that it is doing what it is doing, and look for the edge of the barstard... My relapse plan was stale. I did it too many times and frankly nothing works forever. I just got a new one about the beginning of this month and I am firmly out of the whirlpool right now and fired up as all getout. I am within about a pound of goal again. This problem period lasted SIX months this time before I felt like I had worked my way out, but the main trick is to not give up. So. First try what worked for you before. If that is a problem try something out of the box new. I ended up hiring a personal trainer. A little extreme? A little expensive? You check out the cost of a heart attack some time :). -- Les "Eddie-Type2" <eddies(-)drafting@cogeco.ca> wrote in message news:Tjevg.78517$hp.78199@read2.cgocable.net... Hi All, Getting back from the cruise - being stressed over money and work - heading to Ottawa for the weekend - dealing with summer barbecues - the list goes on and on............hohum!!!! <sigh> Well......I've dropped my anchor and I'm sittin' in my row boat in the middle of the lake (ocean perhaps?) right now :(........ Man it's really stormy and rainy back where I came from - I definitely don't want to ever go back there! NEVER! But the truth of the matter is that I had a lapse this weekend............a big one :( Before WW, I used to be a major McDonald's fanatic - don't ask me why, but I just was, Harvey's, Wendy's Burger King! I was a connoiseur of them all!!! hehee Well since starting WW back in June 2005, I've only given into my cravings once! It was for a quarter pounder and fries only a few months into WW, I counted the points and really didn't even enjoy it much.......but now some 10 months after (maybe it's been longer?) I gave in this weekend and I ate the whole shabang!!! I'm very embarrassed to report that I gave in and ordered a Big Mac, Fries and a diet coke...........and I totally scarfed the Big Mac, literally in a matter of seconds!!!!!! I tell ya, I was just like a hungry dog getting meat for the first time!!!...........it was really, really sad :(...........That was on Saturday night around 11:00pm!!!........ and if you can believe this, it was also after a nice baked potatoe and 5oz fillet mignon for supper :(.......... I thought to myself - well good - NOW it's out of my system............but noooooooooOOO!!!! On Sunday night, the drive home was pathetic, bumper to bumper and I had to make an emergency rest stop..........wouldn't you know it, but the only place around was a damn McDonald's - and my situation was VERrrrrrrrrrrry urgent! LOL! On the way out, I thought to myself, ah, what the heck - I haven't had a chocolate shake in over a year - so boommmmmmmm! I did it again!!!! - Instead of walking out the door, I decided to order a chocolate shake for the road! You'd think I would at least order a small, but NOOOOOOoooo, I had to order a large one!.........I'm telling ya, it didn't stand a chance! I hoofed it down before I even made it to the car in the parking lot.........:( <sigh> Can you tell I didn't have a very successful weekend? Can you tell I'm a bit bummed out? Oh well......I got back to normal yesterday and today but unfortunately, but I'm sorry to report I've over eaten my points a bit on both days. Friday's WI isn't looking good at all at this point in time, but I know I need to go to my meeting. I know fully in my heart that I'm not just going to WW to pay to step on the scale!!!!! I'm going to WW to take part in the meeting and to learn how to deal with situations like this and others. Trust me when I say that I am trying desperately to reframe this entire situation into a positive manner, but right now I can't - the bottom line is, I fell off the horse big time and now I need to get back OP and stick to it. Just writing this post is helping me greatly - thanks for listening......... Eddie Weight June05-359lbs Current Weight-282.2lbs Loss to date=76.8lbs Goal Weight-180lbs > Just writing this post is helping me greatly - thanks for > listening......... You haven't mentioned exercising at all. Do you at least get out and walk a mile a day or more? LW Start - 7/5 - 170lbs Today - 162½ lbs Goal - 130lbs ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Hi LW........I do exercise 5 times a week. If you google some of my original posts to this group, you will see that when I started WW back in June 2005, I couldn't even stand in line for my WI due to severe back pain. Any time I went shopping, I had to use and ECV because I couldn't even walk to do groceries. In January, after losing 50 lbs, I finally felt ready enough to join a local fitness club with my son. I've since built up to 5 times a week pushing heavy freeweights and walking on the treadmill from 5 minutes to 45 minutes. YES, exercise, walking, whatever is really needed to help get fit, but it's not a requirement to lose weight and it most certainly doesn't prevent lapses like the one I had........:( Eddie Weight June05-359lbs Current Weight-282.2lbs Loss to date=76.8lbs Goal Weight-180lbs > Just writing this post is helping me greatly - thanks for > listening......... You haven't mentioned exercising at all. Do you at least get out and walk a mile a day or more? LW Start - 7/5 - 170lbs Today - 162½ lbs Goal - 130lbs ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ YES, exercise, walking, whatever is really needed to > help get fit, but it's not a requirement to lose weight and it most > certainly doesn't prevent lapses like the one I had........:( Unless I exercise along with dieting I lose less than a lb a week with no cheating. That's just the normal exercise everyone gets. If I do 1 to 2 miles a day on the treadmill and stick to the diet I will lose at a nice pace, sometimes as much as 2½ lbs a week. After 5 months recuperating from knee surgery, then physical therapy, I am now back exercising. I lost no weight while in the cast as exercise was minimal. Happily I didn't gain anything either. :o) LW Start - 7/5 - 170lbs Today - 162½ lbs Goal - 130lbs ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Hi All, > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > on > and on............hohum!!!! <sigh> *snip* > Just writing this post is helping me greatly - thanks for > listening......... [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Loss to date=76.8lbs > Goal Weight-180lbs I wish I had something inspiring to say. I haven't posted in a while as I've struggled a lot myself for the past 2-3 months. I really struggle with fitting in exercise and staying away from stress/depression eating. All I can say is that you are definitely not alone. Oh and think about what fabulous progress you've made so far!!! I hope that helps some :-) SignatureTanukiki (mom of 2 wonderful boys) Pre-baby #2 weight 239 (in 2004) Started WW 01/21/06 Reached 10% 03/18/06 205.4/179.4/150 -- Leader of the Cult of Worshippers of BiPolar Long-Haired Sexy Anime Guys with Swords Thanks Tanukiki..........I really appreciate your post. I hope you are winning your battle better than me. Hang in there :) !! Eddie Weight June05-359lbs Current Weight-282.2lbs Loss to date=76.8lbs Goal Weight-180lbs > Hi All, > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > on > and on............hohum!!!! <sigh> *snip* > Just writing this post is helping me greatly - thanks for > listening......... [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Loss to date=76.8lbs > Goal Weight-180lbs I wish I had something inspiring to say. I haven't posted in a while as I've struggled a lot myself for the past 2-3 months. I really struggle with fitting in exercise and staying away from stress/depression eating. All I can say is that you are definitely not alone. Oh and think about what fabulous progress you've made so far!!! I hope that helps some :-) -- Tanukiki (mom of 2 wonderful boys) Pre-baby #2 weight 239 (in 2004) Started WW 01/21/06 Reached 10% 03/18/06 205.4/179.4/150 -- Leader of the Cult of Worshippers of BiPolar Long-Haired Sexy Anime Guys with Swords Hi, Eddie, You gave into the cravings but now you know that you really did not enjoy the food. Forgive yourself for being human and get back to doing what you did right. Hugs Catherine > Hi All, > [quoted text clipped - 86 lines] > Loss to date=76.8lbs > Goal Weight-180lbs That actually is a good point to remember. It never really is as satisfying as you remember it was, is it? Except for fried chicken of course. :) doug On 7/22/06 9:04 AM, in article VZdwg.12094$6q.8825@fe12.lga, "Catherine White" <tatcat@optonline.net> wrote: > Hi, Eddie, You gave into the cravings but now you know that you really did > not enjoy the food. Forgive yourself for being human and get back to doing > what you did right. first RL means you have to use the restroom, and your post just makes me more firm in my number one rule, Never do anything while losing you will be unwilling to do for life, Not eating fast food is not real for me, I am on the road a bunch, the way I work means even when I pack a lunch my hours may outlast my food and I plain like the crap, didn't used to think that but there it is, taco bell is a wonderful thing, perhaps reframing could evolve a trip to fast food once a month or every 2 weeks, like your yummy sounding breakfast on the weekend... I mean if you are getting back on program and you didn't give up and you learn something, and you try a new strategy then how can it NOT be positive, hang in there, Lee > Hi All, > [quoted text clipped - 71 lines] > Loss to date=76.8lbs > Goal Weight-180lbs |
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