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Weight Loss Forum / WeightWatchers / July 2006I'm under 200! will it slow up now?
Yep, I started WW 11 days ago at 210 and today I am 197.... Question; I know that when you first start any diet, you lose water and pounds quickly for a couple of weeks and then it slows down. When it slows down, how slow will it be? maybe just a couple of pounds a week or less?.... I like to know whats waiting for me around the corner...I always build bridges for the 100 year flood; and it just came last year! ..........Windy > Yep, I started WW 11 days ago at 210 and today I am 197.... Question; I > know that when you first start any diet, you lose water and pounds quickly [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > bridges for the 100 year flood; and it just came last year! > ...........Windy You should aim to lose an average of one to two pounds per week from now on. I know it sounds slow, but slow is the best way for many reasons, not the least of which is psychological: you have time to get used to the changes!  SignatureKate XXXXXX R.C.T.Q Madame Chef des Trolls Lady Catherine, Wardrobe Mistress of the Chocolate Buttons http://www.katedicey.co.uk Click on Kate's Pages and explore! I forgot to welcome you, and some of us are fast losers, I am a slow loser, Lee > > Yep, I started WW 11 days ago at 210 and today I am 197.... Question; I > > know that when you first start any diet, you lose water and pounds quickly [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > http://www.katedicey.co.uk > Click on Kate's Pages and explore! > Yep, I started WW 11 days ago at 210 and today I am 197.... Question; I > know that when you first start any diet, you lose water and pounds quickly [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > bridges for the 100 year flood; and it just came last year! > ..........Windy When it slows down INCREASE your exercise. If that doesn't work EAT LESS. LW Start - 7/5 - 170lbs Today - 162½ lbs Goal - 130lbs ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> Yep, I started WW 11 days ago at 210 and today I am 197.... Question; I >> know that when you first start any diet, you lose water and pounds [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Goal - 130lbs > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Actually exercise has very limited effect on weight loss.. it is extremely important for your health, but weight loss-wise your food makes more an effect than exercise.. Will~ >>> Yep, I started WW 11 days ago at 210 and today I am 197.... Question; >>> I know that when you first start any diet, you lose water and pounds [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Will~ I think that is true in some ways, but more specific to the individual in others. I know that when I exercise regularly I can eat my points, my AP's, and my WAP's and still lose regularly. If I'm sidelined for any reason then it's daily points only if I want to see a loss. Exercise makes maintenance a bit easier too. Muscle is more metabolically active than fat so building muscle lets you burn more calories doing nothing. Signaturethe volleyballchick exercise has played a major part in my loss and my maintenance. Major. Those few times when I could not for some reason or other would cause a stall in my weight loss every time. SignatureLesanne > >>>> Yep, I started WW 11 days ago at 210 and today I am 197.... Question; [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > active than fat so building muscle lets you burn more calories doing > nothing. I'll go and tell the scientist they are full of it then.. ;op I know that for myself, I'm controling the food easier when I work out than when I don't.. but half an hour of working out at moderate intensity barely burns an apple.. . Will~ > exercise has played a major part in my loss and my maintenance. Major. > Those few times when I could not for some reason or other would cause a [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] >> metabolically active than fat so building muscle lets you burn more >> calories doing nothing. Actually the largest and most comprehensive weight research has been done by the National Weight Control registry, and the majority of the participants who maintain their lost weight exercise. NAASO also has many scholarly articles by the top "scientists" in the obesity field that describe benefits of exercise on body weight and composition. Don't know what scientists you are speaking of? Send us a link ;). I certainly can send some if you would like to do a little reading.... SignatureLesanne > I'll go and tell the scientist they are full of it then.. ;op > [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] >>> metabolically active than fat so building muscle lets you burn more >>> calories doing nothing. On maintaining, absolutely.. regular exercise boost up the metabolism which makes it easier to maintain without having to be overly strict on foods. As for my infos, they are mainly form the WW science center.. which I think you can access if you use e-tools.. since I have the "staff pass" I can access the whole thing, I dont' know how much is available to members. Also from the PSRM (which is the leader manual at WW) which isn't available to members.. and from here and there online.. Mostly research made by Sante Bien etre Canada.. and the "departement de la Sante" in Quebec... which of course.. doesn't have any value since it's not American.. (sorry... I'm still grumpy from another conversation about "refferences"). I'm not saying one doesn't need to exercise, I'm saying it's overrated when it comes to actual lbs lost.. a lot of members will come in saying things like "I don't have to watch what I eat, I work out 2h a day"... You can lose weight by eating right alone... without exercise... but try to eat anything and exercise a lot and see what happens.. Same way as no matter how much I exercise, if my food isn't on track... ain't going anywhere.. WW works closely with the National Weight Control Registry, and multiple other organizations, and the studies have been going back and forth (thanks heavens, the more the better). I've been working for 3 years now and have read continually on the subject, I don't have the time or the need to look up all my refference... I'm working more than enough as it is... There is more to health and weight loss than the National Weight Control registry... Will~ > Actually the largest and most comprehensive weight research has been done > by the National Weight Control registry, and the majority of the [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] >>>> metabolically active than fat so building muscle lets you burn more >>>> calories doing nothing. Copyright International Life Sciences Institute Feb 2006 [Headnote] The increasing prevalence of overweight and obesity highlight the need for improved intervention strategies to counteract this significant public health problem. To this end, it appears that increases in energy expenditure through exercise and other forms of physical activity may be an important component of effective interventions to enhance initial weight loss and the prevention of weight regain. However, to achieve these outcomes, adequate levels of exercise and physical activity appear to be necessary, with 60 to 90 min/d currently being recommended. While this appears to be a significant amount of activity, overweight and obese adults should be counseled to progressively increase to these levels of exercise and physical activity. Moreover, there is significant evidence that even if an overweight or obese adult is unable to achieve this level of activity, that significant health benefits can be realized by participating in at least 30 minutes of daily activity that is at least moderate in intensity. Therefore, it is important to have interventions that target these levels of physical activity to improve health-related outcomes and to facilitate long-term weight control. SignatureLesanne > I'll go and tell the scientist they are full of it then.. ;op > [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] >>> metabolically active than fat so building muscle lets you burn more >>> calories doing nothing. This doesn't disprove what I said in any way.. It is important to exercise, I never denied that, I work out 2h a day myself, but working out 30 minutes burns about 200 calories... so the deficit in calorie intake VS calories burned will be much higher if you control the foods than it would be by exercising alone. Cutting down let say a 600 calories piece of cake... creates the same deficit as working out what? 90 minutes non stop.. Throw all the studies you want at me.. *grin*. will~ > Copyright International Life Sciences Institute Feb 2006 [Headnote] > The increasing prevalence of overweight and obesity highlight the [quoted text clipped - 60 lines] >>>> metabolically active than fat so building muscle lets you burn more >>>> calories doing nothing. Another excerpt from the abstract of an article in a medical journal The article examines what behavioral interventions are safe and effective for treating obesity. A study shows that 30 percent of US adults and 16 percent of children are obese. A systematic review of 99 weight loss studies reveals that long-term behavior techniques, dietary changes with specific instructions to assist adherence, exercise, relapse prevention training and social support were optimal for promoting weight loss. SignatureLesanne > I'll go and tell the scientist they are full of it then.. ;op > [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] >>> metabolically active than fat so building muscle lets you burn more >>> calories doing nothing. Again.. nothing disproves my point.. Will~ > Another excerpt from the abstract of an article in a medical journal > [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] >>>> metabolically active than fat so building muscle lets you burn more >>>> calories doing nothing. Your point being that exercise has a limited effect? Or that food is more important? If you take that to the extreme, certainly a very low calorie diet will cause a person to drop more body weight than exercise alone. I do not see anyone suggesting exercise alone. The whole subject of this post was if exercise would help with weight loss when added to the WW program. My own research area for my project starting next summer when I begin working on my PhD will be obesity, probably slanted in the direction of prevention at puberty more than adult obesity. The problem with diet alone, is that most people who do not exercise will end up at or near a normal body weight with a seriously slow metabolic rate if they do not exercise. If they get to normal at all. This equates to living in a constant state of hunger. I would have to almost agree with George that this is a bad way to go for a human, and good for the $ condition of WW. The reason that I can live a normal food life today is because of the fact that I exercised enough during weight loss to maintain a decent muscle mass (necessary for a normal metabolic rate). Cutting calories alone encourages a person to cut them a little more here and there if they hit a plateau. The body after some months of this will slow it's metabolic rate, and then the person either has to fight that survival mechanism off by eating more and exercising more until it speeds back up, or cutting back some more. I have seen countless people in my own WW group go down this slippery path. There they are, having to maintain their weight loss on a depressingly low amount of daily calories, or they stall and begin the regain process. Almost everyone regains. My own weight loss, enhanced by exercise and Slow and steady has left me strong, healthy, and able to maintain easily on 2000 average calories a day. My point is not that exercise lets you eat anything you want. My point is that if you don't exercise while you are losing, and eat well while you are losing, your body will be damaged at least some by it's own attempts to conserve itself. You will create a situation where it is really difficult to maintain. You can repair the damage after the fact, but you have to eat more to do it. And work out. It is not an easy transition. Better to work out from day one. SignatureLeslie Arnim larnim48@email.uophx.edu Again.. nothing disproves my point.. Will~ "Lesanne" <larnim48@nothotmail.com> wrote in message news:9ZAvg.1349$YO6.1269@tornado.texas.rr.com... > Another excerpt from the abstract of an article in a medical journal > > The article examines what behavioral interventions are safe and effective > for treating obesity. A study shows that 30 percent of US adults and 16 > percent of children are obese. A systematic review of 99 weight loss > studies reveals that long-term behavior techniques, dietary changes with > specific instructions to assist adherence, exercise, relapse prevention > training and social support were optimal for promoting weight loss. > > -- > Lesanne > "Willow Herself" <willowkinda@somethingkikeseamountains.net> wrote in > message news:Sezvg.69887$Lm5.3314@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com... >> I'll go and tell the scientist they are full of it then.. ;op >> >> I know that for myself, I'm controling the food easier when I work out >> than when I don't.. but half an hour of working out at moderate intensity >> barely burns an apple.. . >> >> Will~ >> >> >> >> "Lesanne" <larnim48@nothotmail.com> wrote in message >> news:J6zvg.1325$YO6.938@tornado.texas.rr.com... >>> exercise has played a major part in my loss and my maintenance. Major. >>> Those few times when I could not for some reason or other would cause a >>> stall in my weight loss every time. >>> >>> -- >>> Lesanne >>> "Nunya B." <nunyadayumbidnez@gmail.com> wrote in message >>> news:4i7s1gF2igo3U1@individual.net... >>>> >>>> "Willow Herself" <willowkinda@somethingkikeseamountains.net> wrote in >>>> message news:HLxvg.174495$F_3.77152@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net... >>>>> >>>>> "Lá~ká~ Wáná" <none@no-one.net> wrote in message >>>>> news:44be94eb$0$1345$834e42db@reader.greatnowhere.com... >>>>>> >>>>>> "windy" <hedding@earthlink.net> wrote in message >>>>>> news:o_gvg.1817$157.188@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net... >>>>>>> Yep, I started WW 11 days ago at 210 and today I am 197.... >>>>>>> Question; I know that when you first start any diet, you lose water >>>>>>> and pounds quickly for a couple of weeks and then it slows down. >>>>>>> When it slows down, how slow will it be? maybe just a couple of >>>>>>> pounds a week or less?.... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I like to know whats waiting for me around the corner...I always >>>>>>> build bridges for the 100 year flood; and it just came last year! >>>>>>> ..........Windy >>>>>> >>>>>> When it slows down INCREASE your exercise. If that doesn't work EAT >>>>>> LESS. >>>>>> >>>>>> LW >>>>>> Start - 7/5 - 170lbs >>>>>> Today - 162½ lbs >>>>>> Goal - 130lbs >>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>>>> >>>>> Actually exercise has very limited effect on weight loss.. it is >>>>> extremely important for your health, but weight loss-wise your food >>>>> makes more an effect than exercise.. >>>>> >>>>> Will~ >>>> >>>> I think that is true in some ways, but more specific to the individual >>>> in others. I know that when I exercise regularly I can eat my points, >>>> my AP's, and my WAP's and still lose regularly. If I'm sidelined for >>>> any reason then it's daily points only if I want to see a loss. >>>> >>>> Exercise makes maintenance a bit easier too. Muscle is more >>>> metabolically active than fat so building muscle lets you burn more >>>> calories doing nothing. >>>> -- >>>> the volleyballchick >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > > > I think that is true in some ways, but more specific to the individual in > others. I know that when I exercise regularly I can eat my points, my [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > active than fat so building muscle lets you burn more calories doing > nothing. I also think exercise is healthy for us whether we want to lose weight or not. Even when I reach my goal, should that day ever come, I plan to continue walking at least a mile 5 to 6 days a week. Use it or lose it. LW Start - 7/5/06 - 170lbs Today - 162 lbs Goal - 130lbs Height 5'6" ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Will where do you get this information?...I find just the opposite when I research the question...In addition it has had a tremendous effect on myself...Again I'm speaking about anaerobic exercise...GG >>> Yep, I started WW 11 days ago at 210 and today I am 197.... Question; >>> I know that when you first start any diet, you lose water and pounds [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Will~ Guess I expressed my idea wrong.. My point is... again... that if you make a comparison of how much calories you burn when you work out, for exemple, just to have a number to work with, 400 calories in an hour... does that make sense? Let say 500 to be safe.. Now if you cut the cr@p you eat, for exemple, I used to have 3 cans of coke everyday (420 cal), about 5 serving (800 cal) of cheetos everyday That's about 1220 cals, not counting hefty meals, and all the other asides... Soooo.. I'd have to work out 2.5 hours a day and then some to make up for just my casual snacking.. not counting the heavy meals and the muffin I grabbed cause I was on the run, and the starbuck etc. Soooooooooo my point isn't that exercise isn't important, I personaly work out 2 hours a day, my point is, that if you want to lose weight, figure out the food first, learn what eating right is all about, and add exercise to complement your weight loss. Because it's a lot easier to make a calorie deficit by cutting down the junk, than by exercising. Of course it's a lot easier to create a deficit if you're active, because then you're burning more, but the food, at least at the begining, has a more significant effect on said deficit. That's what I was trying to say.. guess I said it wrong, strike me dead for it.. but that's what I've learned, both from personal experience, from my reading and from the members I try to help every week. Will~ soooooooooo done with this conversation. > Will where do you get this information?...I find just the opposite when I > research the question...In addition it has had a tremendous effect on [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] >> >> Will~ but don't go under your points, Lee > > Yep, I started WW 11 days ago at 210 and today I am 197.... Question; I > > know that when you first start any diet, you lose water and pounds quickly [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Goal - 130lbs > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Hi Windy......to be realistic, you should only plan to lose approx. 1 to 2 lbs max. per week.......as you get closer to goal, you may lose less because it gets a little harder to lose. Eddie Weight June05-359lbs Current Weight-282.2lbs Loss to date=76.8lbs Goal Weight-180lbs Yep, I started WW 11 days ago at 210 and today I am 197.... Question; I know that when you first start any diet, you lose water and pounds quickly for a couple of weeks and then it slows down. When it slows down, how slow will it be? maybe just a couple of pounds a week or less?.... I like to know whats waiting for me around the corner...I always build bridges for the 100 year flood; and it just came last year! ..........Windy > Hi Windy......to be realistic, you should only plan to lose approx. 1 to 2 > lbs max. per week.......as you get closer to goal, you may lose less > because > it gets a little harder to lose. As it gets harder to lose I would think *LESS FOOD* and MORE EXERCISE would keep the lbs coming off. At least that's what I observed with a few of my friends. LW Start - 7/5 - 170lbs Today - 162 lbs Goal - 130lbs ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ you can eat too little, that is part of my problem, between vlc and medications I have the world's most efficient metabolism, I have to eat all my points or I go into starvation mode and don't lose at all, Lee > > Hi Windy......to be realistic, you should only plan to lose approx. 1 to 2 > > lbs max. per week.......as you get closer to goal, you may lose less [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Goal - 130lbs > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > you can eat too little, that is part of my problem, between vlc and > medications I have the world's most efficient metabolism, I have to eat > all > my points or I go into starvation mode and don't lose at all, Lee I do eat all my points. I believe most of us do. In fact it seems a lot of folks tend to go over their points from what I've read here. :o) LW Start - 7/5/06 - 170lbs Today - 162 lbs Goal - 130lbs Height 5'6" ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ let me clarify, I mean when I am doing flex, I eat the daily points, every Activity point and all the WPA... keep in mind that this varies for people, others can't eat all I do or they gain, Lee > > you can eat too little, that is part of my problem, between vlc and > > medications I have the world's most efficient metabolism, I have to eat [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Height 5'6" > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ depends on you, your body and how strict you are, WW says 1 to 2 pounds a week is healthy, I figure NOT gaining is healthy, there is a worker at our center that lost all 40 hounds .2 pounds at a time, Lee > Yep, I started WW 11 days ago at 210 and today I am 197.... Question; I > know that when you first start any diet, you lose water and pounds quickly [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > bridges for the 100 year flood; and it just came last year! > ..........Windy |
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