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Starting week 3 and I am hungry!

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-L. - 28 Jul 2006 07:35 GMT
I wasn't hungry during weeks 1 and 2  - but now I am starving!  What's
up with that?  I have lost 4.8 lbs so far - maybe my metabolism has
been kick-started?  I am sticking to daily points for the most part -
usually just 1 or 2 weekly points per day extra.

-L.
Doug Lerner - 28 Jul 2006 08:03 GMT
I notice there are certain days where I just have the munchies all day long.
Usually I like eating low calorie during the day and saving my calories for
the evening. But on those days when I get the munchies I give in to my body
and snack and snack and snack all throughout the day.

Usually I get full enough so that the evening is ok - but sometimes I even
need to go a few hundred calories into my bonus on such days.

Other days it seems I can get by with hundreds of calories less and I don't
feel hungry at all.

So my  suggestion to you is if you are hungry then EAT! Use your free
points. Eat some 50-150 calorie snacks: banana, apple, watermelon, some
edamame, some soup (I just had a 168 calorie "curry soup" from the
convenience store with chicken and potatoes and corn in it - very
comfort-food-satisfying),some of those "100 calorie Nabisco snack packs",
etc.

I think the worst thing you can do though is try to use incredible
will-power to ignore your hunger because it will gnaw at you.

It's better to just shift around your eating patterns on days that happens
and use your calories (within program of course) to get rid of the hunger.

doug

On 7/28/06 3:35 PM, in article
1154068540.665527.142880@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com, "-L."
<gentleboa@peacemail.com> wrote:

> I wasn't hungry during weeks 1 and 2  - but now I am starving!  What's
> up with that?  I have lost 4.8 lbs so far - maybe my metabolism has
> been kick-started?  I am sticking to daily points for the most part -
> usually just 1 or 2 weekly points per day extra.
>
> -L.
Stormmee - 28 Jul 2006 12:50 GMT
great advice, and I want that C-store near me, Lee
> I notice there are certain days where I just have the munchies all day long.
> Usually I like eating low calorie during the day and saving my calories for
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> >
> > -L.
Kate Dicey - 28 Jul 2006 08:56 GMT
> I wasn't hungry during weeks 1 and 2  - but now I am starving!  What's
> up with that?  I have lost 4.8 lbs so far - maybe my metabolism has
> been kick-started?  I am sticking to daily points for the most part -
> usually just 1 or 2 weekly points per day extra.
>
> -L.

Is there enough bulk in your diet?  You might need to munch on some raw
zero point vegetables, or a zero point soup or two as well as all the
counted stuff.  And are you getting enough protein?

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Diogenes - 28 Jul 2006 10:08 GMT
>I wasn't hungry during weeks 1 and 2  - but now I am starving!  What's
>up with that?  I have lost 4.8 lbs so far - maybe my metabolism has
>been kick-started?  I am sticking to daily points for the most part -
>usually just 1 or 2 weekly points per day extra.
>
>-L.

I get hungry when I don't drink a lot of water.
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Lá~ká~ Wáná - 28 Jul 2006 17:51 GMT
>>I wasn't hungry during weeks 1 and 2  - but now I am starving!  What's
>>up with that?  I have lost 4.8 lbs so far - maybe my metabolism has
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>
> I get hungry when I don't drink a lot of water.

Be sure you don't drink MORE than your body needs or  you can deplete and
disrupt your electrolyte balance.  That can be dangerous I was told.

LW
Start - 7/5/06 - 170lbs
Today - 161 lbs
Goal - 130lbs
Height 5'6"
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Stormmee - 28 Jul 2006 18:00 GMT
you have to drink way more than most people can handle to do this, most
people will frankly hurl long before that point, Lee

> >>I wasn't hungry during weeks 1 and 2  - but now I am starving!  What's
> >>up with that?  I have lost 4.8 lbs so far - maybe my metabolism has
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> Height 5'6"
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Nunya B. - 28 Jul 2006 18:09 GMT
>>>I wasn't hungry during weeks 1 and 2  - but now I am starving!  What's
>>>up with that?  I have lost 4.8 lbs so far - maybe my metabolism has
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> Be sure you don't drink MORE than your body needs or  you can deplete and
> disrupt your electrolyte balance.  That can be dangerous I was told.

Sure, if you're drinking 14 liters a day, then worry. Hyponatremia is rare
and mainly found with endurance athletes who aren't training properly, as in
taking in salt to balance the water.  Anything else is mainly hyperbole.
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Eddie-Type2 - 28 Jul 2006 19:11 GMT
You'd have to drink a hell of a lot of water to get to that point! Sorry,
but I don't agree with you.
Drink water and drink lots of it !

Eddie
Weight June05-359.0lbs
Current Weight-291.8lbs
Loss to date=67.2lbs
Goal Weight-180.0lbs

>>I wasn't hungry during weeks 1 and 2  - but now I am starving!  What's
>>up with that?  I have lost 4.8 lbs so far - maybe my metabolism has
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> Diogenes
> Ad Majorem Dei Gloriam

Be sure you don't drink MORE than your body needs or  you can deplete and
disrupt your electrolyte balance.  That can be dangerous I was told.

LW
Start - 7/5/06 - 170lbs
Today - 161 lbs
Goal - 130lbs
Height 5'6"
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Lá~ká~ Wáná - 28 Jul 2006 20:34 GMT
> You'd have to drink a hell of a lot of water to get to that point! Sorry,
> but I don't agree with you.
> Drink water and drink lots of it !

But what is "a lot of water?"  What may be a lot for one person may not be a
lot for another person with a different lifestyle, activity level, climate,
whatever.  I couldn't find any research that drinking more than your body
needs does you any good.  I drink when I'm thirsty as my NP told me to do.

LW
Start - 7/5/06 - 170lbs
Today - 161 lbs
Goal - 130lbs
Height 5'6"
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Stormmee - 28 Jul 2006 12:49 GMT
your body has figured out you are eating less and is trying to compensate,
stick it out for a week or so and you will be fine, Lee
> I wasn't hungry during weeks 1 and 2  - but now I am starving!  What's
> up with that?  I have lost 4.8 lbs so far - maybe my metabolism has
> been kick-started?  I am sticking to daily points for the most part -
> usually just 1 or 2 weekly points per day extra.
>
> -L.
Lá~ká~ Wáná - 28 Jul 2006 17:47 GMT
>I wasn't hungry during weeks 1 and 2  - but now I am starving!  What's
> up with that?  I have lost 4.8 lbs so far - maybe my metabolism has
> been kick-started?  I am sticking to daily points for the most part -
> usually just 1 or 2 weekly points per day extra.

I wasn't hungry the first 2 weeks either. I'm hungry now but still had to
cut points as I was stuck for 8 days at the same weight (maintaining).
Being hungry most of the time and not losing can be very discouraging.  I
had to drop my points even lower to lose anything.  That worked as I was
down a pound this morning.  Now I'm *really* starving.  :o(

Lunch today will be 1/2 cup fat-free cottage cheese (80c) and 1 Tbs. of
sugar free Blackberry preserves (10c) = about 1 pt.  I'll be hungry again
about 20 minutes later.

LW
Start - 7/5/06 - 170lbs
Today - 161 lbs
Goal - 130lbs
Height 5'6"
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Stormmee - 28 Jul 2006 17:59 GMT
this would be 2 points using the ww slider and if you think 8 days is a
stall you are in for a rough ride, Lee

> >I wasn't hungry during weeks 1 and 2  - but now I am starving!  What's
> > up with that?  I have lost 4.8 lbs so far - maybe my metabolism has
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> Height 5'6"
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Lá~ká~ Wáná - 28 Jul 2006 20:35 GMT
> this would be 2 points using the ww slider and if you think 8 days is a
> stall you are in for a rough ride, Lee

Yes, I just corrected that.  ;o)

LW
Start - 7/5/06 - 170lbs
Today - 161 lbs
Goal - 130lbs
Height 5'6"
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Gary G - 28 Jul 2006 18:56 GMT
Sounds like your not eating enough at a meal...90 calories for lunch is very
low...Do you eat many small meals each day?...GG

>>I wasn't hungry during weeks 1 and 2  - but now I am starving!  What's
>> up with that?  I have lost 4.8 lbs so far - maybe my metabolism has
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> Height 5'6"
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Lá~ká~ Wáná - 28 Jul 2006 20:43 GMT
> Sounds like your not eating enough at a meal...90 calories for lunch is
> very low...Do you eat many small meals each day?...GG

I'm not sure what you mean by "small meal."  I can't eat breakfast.  I never
did, since I'm about 10 years old.  I have 2 cups of coffee with fat-free
milk, Carnation flavoring and Sweet & Low in the moring - about 4 pts .

I have lunch around 1PM, then fruit around 3 PM, then dinner around 5 PM and
another fruit (apple, pear, kiwi) around 9 PM.

LW
Start - 7/5/06 - 170lbs
Today - 161 lbs
Goal - 130lbs
Height 5'6"
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Eddie-Type2 - 28 Jul 2006 19:26 GMT
LW,

I am very happy for you that you lost a pound, but I need to be totally
honest with you and offer you my opinions.  I hope you won't be offended by
them because I am truly trying to be helpful with these comments.

I really think you need to stop, reread all of your postings and then give
yourself a fresh new start with a different attitude.

You seem to be obsessed with exercise as the be all and end all of the
world?  I may be wrong, but I shake my head every time I read some of your
posts.

The second thing I notice is that you seem to be really stressing about
losing weight and cutting back on your points.  It almost seems to me that
you aren't even going to WW meetings and that you are trying this on your
own without any support what so ever?  If I'm wrong, then I suggest that you
try talking to your leader.  I'm quite positive that no WW leader would ever
tell you to reduce your points or exercise more!

If you are eat ALL of  your points (including your 35 weekly FLEX points)
and you ensure that you track (write down) every single thing that goes into
your mouth, and you are weighing your portions, then there is no doubt in my
mind that you will lose weight! no doubt what so ever!

The fact that you've stalled for a couple of week and that you are starving
right now and considering lowering your points again, really makes me
concerned for your well-being.

I really hope that you are not obsessing by standing on the scale every day?
This will drive you crazy!  you need to put your scale away, stick to your
program, stick to the 8 healthy guidelines, track your food intake, drink
lots of water, exercise if you want to, enjoy life and then step on the
scale in a week and I'm sure you'll feel better and lose maybe a pound or 2.

That's another thing...........please don't expect miracles at the scale!  1
to 2 lbs per week is a great average loss and as you become closer to goal
with only maybe 20 lbs to lose, it will get harder and harder and you may
only see 1/2 lbs to 1 pound losses each week...........heck there will even
be weeks where you will stay the same!!

I wish you all the luck in the world.  I think you are a nice person, but
you just need to relax a bit and stop stressing yourself out over all of
this.

Sincerest and warmest regards,

Eddie
Weight June05-359.0lbs
Current Weight-291.8lbs
Loss to date=67.2lbs
Goal Weight-180.0lbs
PS....We're all here to help you and each other........

>I wasn't hungry during weeks 1 and 2  - but now I am starving!  What's
> up with that?  I have lost 4.8 lbs so far - maybe my metabolism has
> been kick-started?  I am sticking to daily points for the most part -
> usually just 1 or 2 weekly points per day extra.

I wasn't hungry the first 2 weeks either. I'm hungry now but still had to
cut points as I was stuck for 8 days at the same weight (maintaining).
Being hungry most of the time and not losing can be very discouraging.  I
had to drop my points even lower to lose anything.  That worked as I was
down a pound this morning.  Now I'm *really* starving.  :o(

Lunch today will be 1/2 cup fat-free cottage cheese (80c) and 1 Tbs. of
sugar free Blackberry preserves (10c) = about 1 pt.  I'll be hungry again
about 20 minutes later.

LW
Start - 7/5/06 - 170lbs
Today - 161 lbs
Goal - 130lbs
Height 5'6"
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Stormmee - 28 Jul 2006 20:24 GMT
thank you you said this much better than I could and I wanted to say it, Lee
> LW,
>
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> Height 5'6"
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Lá~ká~ Wáná - 28 Jul 2006 21:20 GMT
> LW,
>
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> You seem to be obsessed with exercise as the be all and end all of the
> world?

What ever gave you that idea?  ;o)

I may be wrong, but I shake my head every time I read some of your
> posts.

Why?  Because I walk up to 2 miles a day?  I used to walk about that far
with my dog long before I gained this weight at menopause.  The dog has
since passed away.  I love to walk and feel it's a healthy thing to do, thin
or obese.

> The second thing I notice is that you seem to be really stressing about
> losing weight and cutting back on your points.

Who doesn't want to lose weight - unless they're at goal or never became
overweight. You lost me here.  Please don't go into healthy diets as I was
always on a healthy diet compared to what I read here and heard at the
meetings.  My problem was age, menopause, genetics, thyroid problems that my
Dr. missed, probably for years and PORTION CONTROL.  Even on the healthiest
diet you will gain under these conditions.

It almost seems to me that
> you aren't even going to WW meetings and that you are trying this on your
> own without any support what so ever?

This time around I am not going to the meetings.  Sorry, I thought I made
that clear in another post.

If I'm wrong, then I suggest that you
> try talking to your leader.  I'm quite positive that no WW leader would
> ever
> tell you to reduce your points or exercise more!

When I attend the meetings that year and was losing barely 1 lb a month I
was told to EAT MORE, to add a few points each day and also to *exercise*
more.  I was walking 2 miles three times a week at the time.  I immediately
put back on 1/2 the weight I lost (a total of 5 lbs in 6 months).  So she
gave me the number of a district office and told me to call them.  I did.  I
was told I was eating too much, drop a few points and try and *exercise*
more.  My husband and I decided this contradictory advice wasn't worth $40 a
month.  I'm being honest with you.  So after spending $350 for meetings, the
needed books and gas for my car (the meeting was not close-by) I lost a
grand total of 2 1/2 lbs and quit going.  I realized I would lose
approximately 5 lbs a year taking her advice at the cost of about $500 we
couldn't afford.  That's why I said in another post that if you eat less
points and don't lose (you maintain) they tell you to eat more - when you
gain on the extra points (which makes sense = more food = gain weight) they
tell you to eat less, and exercise was always encouraged.  I do agree this
plan will work wonders for some people but there are those of us with
different metabolisms or whatever where the prescribed point-system just
don't work.  We have to eat LESS to lose.

> If you are eat ALL of  your points (including your 35 weekly FLEX points)

I'm not on FLEX.  My daughter tried to explain that to me but I couldn't
understand it.  It was too confusing.

> and you ensure that you track (write down) every single thing that goes
> into
> your mouth, and you are weighing your portions, then there is no doubt in
> my
> mind that you will lose weight! no doubt what so ever!

I do that now and am not on FLEX but points.  I was told the same thing
about  1-2-3 Success which is what I'm following now.

> The fact that you've stalled for a couple of week and that you are
> starving
> right now and considering lowering your points again, really makes me
> concerned for your well-being.

Except for taking thyroid medication I am in perfect health for a 62 yr old
woman.  :o)  I believe being active and slender all my life with a good diet
is now paying off.  All I need do is dump these last 30 lbs.  If it takes
dropping calories (points) to do it what other choice do I have?  If I ADD
calories (points) I know I'll gain weight immediately.  I take a
multi-vitamin/mineral daily.

> I really hope that you are not obsessing by standing on the scale every
> day?
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> scale in a week and I'm sure you'll feel better and lose maybe a pound or
> 2.

I weight myself several times a week.

> That's another thing...........please don't expect miracles at the scale!
> 1
> to 2 lbs per week is a great average loss and as you become closer to goal
> with only maybe 20 lbs to lose, it will get harder and harder and you may
> only see 1/2 lbs to 1 pound losses each week...

That would be great but when you follow the plan, exercise and lose less
than that; it's time to make a change.

........heck there will even
> be weeks where you will stay the same!!

Only if calories *in* equal calories out.  Cut the calories going *in* and
loss will continue.

> I wish you all the luck in the world.  I think you are a nice person, but
> you just need to relax a bit and stop stressing yourself out over all of
> this.

To be honest with you I'm tired of relaxing about this and mean business
this time.  If I have to cut back to 15 pts a day to lose at least 1 to 2lbs
a week I'll do it.  What ever it takes I am willing to do it.

> Sincerest and warmest regards,

I know that Eddie and thanks.  Maybe if they get a new instructor where I
live I would consider going to the meetings again, but as long as that same
woman is there it's pointless (no pun intended).  :o)   And Eddie, she
stressed exercise constantly, especially walking.

Oh, and in those months I never met anyone there who *ate more* and lost
weight.

LW
Start - 7/5/06 - 170lbs
Today - 161 lbs
Goal - 130lbs
Height 5'6"
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Tayra - 28 Jul 2006 21:39 GMT
> Oh, and in those months I never met anyone there who *ate more* and lost
> weight.

Hi.  Glad to meet you.  I'm Tayra.  I lose more weight eating 37
points/day than I did eating 33 points/day (which is what the WW Flex
plan recommends for my weight).  And I get 0 exercise.  Haven't
exercised since I joined WW a year and a half ago, and I've lost 85lbs.
 Never met a leader who told me I had to, either.

-Tay
Lá~ká~ Wáná - 29 Jul 2006 04:55 GMT
>> Oh, and in those months I never met anyone there who *ate more* and lost
>> weight.
>
> Hi.  Glad to meet you.  I'm Tayra.  I lose more weight eating 37
> points/day than I did eating 33 points/day (which is what the WW Flex plan
> recommends for my weight).  And I get 0 exercise.

Hi!  Glad to meet you as well.  :o)  I couldn't understand the Flex program
so am using the easy one 1-2-3 Success.  The more you have to lose the the
faster it goes, it seems.  I already lost around 50lbs on low-carb.  But
then that stopped working right before the accident that broke my knee. My
NP suggested I go back on the WW program and sees what happens since I still
have about 30 lbs to go.

Haven't
> exercised since I joined WW a year and a half ago, and I've lost 85lbs.
> Never met a leader who told me I had to, either.

No one told us we *had* to exercise.  They did encourage us to exercise both
to help with weight loss and for general health since it's good for us.  I
had no problem with that.  I don't mind walking and that's what she
recommended.

LW
Start - 7/5/06 - 170lbs
Today - 161 lbs
Goal - 130lbs
Height 5'6"
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Lá~ká~ Wáná - 28 Jul 2006 20:35 GMT
> "-L." <gentleboa@peacemail.com> wrote in message
> > Lunch today will be 1/2 cup fat-free cottage cheese (80c) and 1 Tbs. of
> sugar free Blackberry preserves (10c) = about 1 pt.

Whoops,... I mean 2 points.

LW
Start - 7/5/06 - 170lbs
Today - 161 lbs
Goal - 130lbs
Height 5'6"
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Nunya B. - 28 Jul 2006 18:25 GMT
>I wasn't hungry during weeks 1 and 2  - but now I am starving!  What's
> up with that?  I have lost 4.8 lbs so far - maybe my metabolism has
> been kick-started?  I am sticking to daily points for the most part -
> usually just 1 or 2 weekly points per day extra.
>
> -L.

Smaller meals more frequently works for me though not for my DH.  If you're
really hungry you do need to eat so plan a number of different 1-2 point
snacks that are high fiber and maybe even a little protein - a slice of
turkey on a wasa cracker or something to that effect.
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-L. - 28 Jul 2006 19:06 GMT
> Smaller meals more frequently works for me though not for my DH.  If you're
> really hungry you do need to eat so plan a number of different 1-2 point
> snacks that are high fiber and maybe even a little protein - a slice of
> turkey on a wasa cracker or something to that effect.
> --
> the volleyballchick

Thanks everyone for suggestions.  I know I am not getting enough water
and probably not enough protein.  Will try to increase both!  I used to
use nuts to up my protein intake but my son (2.5) is allergic so I
can't have them in the hosue now.  I need to cook a turkey...

-L.
Nunya B. - 28 Jul 2006 21:10 GMT
>> Smaller meals more frequently works for me though not for my DH.  If
>> you're
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>
> -L.

Other suggestions for lean protein:  tuna, fat free cottage cheese, yogurt,
and my standby is sugar free whey powder that I mix in my yogurt or in some
milk with fruit for a smoothie.
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Lá~ká~ Wáná - 28 Jul 2006 21:30 GMT
> Thanks everyone for suggestions.  I know I am not getting enough water
> and probably not enough protein.  Will try to increase both!  I used to
> use nuts to up my protein intake but my son (2.5) is allergic so I
> can't have them in the hosue now.  I need to cook a turkey...

Sometimes rather than fruit I'll heat up 1/2 cup of stringbeans (20c) or
Spinach (45c) for a "snack"... low calories and carbs, and no points,
although I allow them 1/2 a pt. per 1/2 cup  They help fight the hungries
for awhile.

LW
Start - 7/5/06 - 170lbs
Today - 161 lbs
Goal - 130lbs
Height 5'6"
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Eddie-Type2 - 28 Jul 2006 19:09 GMT
-L..........(I wish I had a name to call you by).......if you are feeling
hungry, then maybe you might not be drinking enough water........try that
first and see what happens.....
You say that you are only eating 1 or 2 extra weekly points per day?  Well
that tells me right away that you are not eating all of your points!  You
should eat them! ALL OF THEM.........if want, divide the 35 flex points into
7 days and use 5 per day, not just 1 or 2.
Lastly, if all else fails, just go ahead and eat a little extra, but do 2
things......1)make a truly healthy choice, like fruit or something and 2)
make sure that you track those points so that you know what your actual
count is......
It will give you a gauge to know that you actually can go over your points a
bit, but still lose weight.......and it will relieve a bit of your stress
when you are having a hungry week like right now.............we all
them.........you're not alone.

Good luck.........

Eddie
Weight June05-359.0lbs
Current Weight-291.8lbs
Loss to date=67.2lbs
Goal Weight-180.0lbs

I wasn't hungry during weeks 1 and 2  - but now I am starving!  What's
up with that?  I have lost 4.8 lbs so far - maybe my metabolism has
been kick-started?  I am sticking to daily points for the most part -
usually just 1 or 2 weekly points per day extra.

-L.
-L. - 29 Jul 2006 07:02 GMT
> -L..........(I wish I had a name to call you by).......if you are feeling
> hungry, then maybe you might not be drinking enough water........try that
> first and see what happens.....
> You say that you are only eating 1 or 2 extra weekly points per day?  Well
> that tells me right away that you are not eating all of your points!  You
> should eat them! ALL OF THEM.........

They told us the weekly points are optional...( ? )  Is that not true?
I did drink extra water today and I ate 4 oz more meat, and was not
hungry.  Yay!

-L.
Stormmee - 29 Jul 2006 13:18 GMT
the points are optional but they are there to keep you from being hungry.  I
because of my metabolism have to eat mine or I get sick and actually can
gain... if you need to eat them is a trial and error and depends on your
body, Lee

> > -L..........(I wish I had a name to call you by).......if you are feeling
> > hungry, then maybe you might not be drinking enough water........try that
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>
> -L.
Lá~ká~ Wáná - 30 Jul 2006 00:16 GMT
> the points are optional but they are there to keep you from being hungry.
> I
> because of my metabolism have to eat mine or I get sick and actually can
> gain... if you need to eat them is a trial and error and depends on your
> body, Lee

I believe this because the LESS I eat the more likely I am to lose weight.
How people claim they gain on LESS food is hard for me to understand.  Your
metabolism can only slow for so long and you will start to lose weight.  You
can't gain if you burn MORE calories than you are consuming.  Your body
can't make calories from thin air.

LW
Start - 7/5/06 - 170lbs
Today - 161 lbs
Goal - 130lbs
Height 5'6"
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Stormmee - 30 Jul 2006 23:08 GMT
you evidently are a medical professional that is entirely smarter than all
of the doctors my parents paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to help me
save my sight, and evidently the fact that I could go for 30 days eating 400
calories a day and lose exactly 3 pounds is just my imagination, I think I
have actually reached the point where you and I need no longer communicate,
if you are actually interested in how this works maybe someone else on this
group can help you with the concept of starvation mode and the miracle of
the human body that can be more efficient than mere mortals can deal with,
please have a nice life and I wish you well, Lee, done with this
conversation

> > the points are optional but they are there to keep you from being hungry.
> > I
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> Height 5'6"
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Lá~ká~ Wáná - 31 Jul 2006 05:01 GMT
> you evidently are a medical professional that is entirely smarter than all
> of the doctors my parents paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to help me
> save my sight,

The information was the Nutritionist at the local Hospital Diet and
Nutrition Clinic. Your SIGHT?  I never mentioned "sight."

and evidently the fact that I could go for 30 days eating 400
> calories a day and lose exactly 3 pounds is just my imagination,

Who are you aiming this at?  Are saying you went a month on only 400
calories a day outside the hospital environment?

I think I
> have actually reached the point where you and I need no longer
> communicate,
> if you are actually interested in how this works maybe someone else on
> this
> group can help you with the concept of starvation mode and the miracle of
> the human body that can be more efficient than mere mortals can deal with,

I think you are right about a lack of communication.  If you believe the
starvation mode enables people to keep their weight while deprived of food
(calories) you also believe in the Easter Bunny and Santa.  ;-)   Remember
the concentration camps?  You seem to believe a human being can manufacture
calories from the air and water in this "starvation mode".  People rescued
from mine shafts, rafts at sea, packing crates, downed air planes, those
trapped on mountains sides etc. have lost *vast* amounts of weight by the
time they're rescued days later.  Your metabolism can only slow so much
before death occurs or you start to utilize body fat/tissue.  You cannot eat
LESS calories than you burn and not lose weight.

> please have a nice life and I wish you well, Lee, done with this
> conversation

LW
Start - 7/5/06 - 170lbs
Today - 161 lbs
Goal - 130lbs
Height 5'6"
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Eddie-Type2 - 29 Jul 2006 17:03 GMT
-L........(I really wish you had a name!).........

Eating all of your points during weight loss is one thing that my leader
advocates very strongly.  The reason for this is that if you don't get your
body used to them now, then when you do use them, your body may react with a
weight-gain.  The other factor is that when you finally get to maintenance,
your body will already be used to the extra points and when you start adding
back a few more during maintenance, then you will be able to handle more
food without gaining and if you need to cut back, then there is plenty of
room to do so.

Eddie
Weight June05-359.0lbs
Current Weight-289.6lbs
Loss to date=69.4lbs
Goal Weight-180.0lbs

Eddie-Type2 (-) wrote:
> -L..........(I wish I had a name to call you by).......if you are feeling
> hungry, then maybe you might not be drinking enough water........try that
> first and see what happens.....
> You say that you are only eating 1 or 2 extra weekly points per day?  Well
> that tells me right away that you are not eating all of your points!  You
> should eat them! ALL OF THEM.........

They told us the weekly points are optional...( ? )  Is that not true?
I did drink extra water today and I ate 4 oz more meat, and was not
hungry.  Yay!

-L.
Tayra - 29 Jul 2006 17:37 GMT
> They told us the weekly points are optional...( ? )  Is that not true?
> I did drink extra water today and I ate 4 oz more meat, and was not
> hungry.  Yay!

Some people say that.  Mine insists they are *not* optional, unless you
want to end up maintaining on less food for the rest of your life once
you get to goal.  I never leave any of mine uneaten; when I do, I stop
losing weight.

-Tay
Deb in Northern California - 29 Jul 2006 16:25 GMT
Are you drinking enough water.  I have found that I am truly not hungry as
much as thirsty.  Try a glass of water when the hunger pangs hit and see if
that makes it pass.  Especially with the warmer weather, most times your
body does not tell you it is thirsty until you are beyond that point and
actually getting dehydrated.

There is so much water in foods, that your body craves the water, but you
might be mistaking it for hunger.

Debbie

>I wasn't hungry during weeks 1 and 2  - but now I am starving!  What's
> up with that?  I have lost 4.8 lbs so far - maybe my metabolism has
> been kick-started?  I am sticking to daily points for the most part -
> usually just 1 or 2 weekly points per day extra.
>
> -L.
Fred Burke - 31 Jul 2006 08:20 GMT
I found also that week 3 was a real sticking point.  In fact I let down and
it set me back a week. Fred

>I wasn't hungry during weeks 1 and 2  - but now I am starving!  What's
> up with that?  I have lost 4.8 lbs so far - maybe my metabolism has
> been kick-started?  I am sticking to daily points for the most part -
> usually just 1 or 2 weekly points per day extra.
>
> -L.
 
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