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Willow Herself - 13 Dec 2006 16:41 GMT
I had a little holiday fall over here !!! O-O

One party.. another party.. hummm.. I gave myself one meal off a week.. but
that became two (cause I had two party and would make it up the next week)
and then 3....  but I'd make it up..

No no no no no no I worked too hard.. no more freebies.. I'm not to be
trusted with them!

Week all planned out, snacks and all... cooking  and preparing.. no more
crackers in the house...

I'm back on track honey... I ain't gonna forget what I'm all about !

Will~
ahmward - 13 Dec 2006 22:50 GMT
>I had a little holiday fall over here !!! O-O
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> Will~
That happened to me last week.  I had two wonderful parties Tuesday and
Wednesday and then weighed in on Thursday.  I was up .6 but it felt more
than that.  Luckily not all weeks are like that and this week I know I
will show a loss when I weigh in tomorrow. I have no regrets about those
parties last week.  My choices were items I loved so I didn't throw away
points on junk.

Audrey
Stormmee - 14 Dec 2006 15:08 GMT
good attitude, Lee

> >I had a little holiday fall over here !!! O-O
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> Audrey
Stormmee - 14 Dec 2006 15:07 GMT
good girl, Lee
> I had a little holiday fall over here !!! O-O
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> Will~
Laura - 14 Dec 2006 17:04 GMT
Good to see you back on track...

>I had a little holiday fall over here !!! O-O
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> Will~
teachrmama - 16 Dec 2006 05:03 GMT
I can certainly elate!  Parties themselves are not my weak point--being
tired is--and this week was exhausting!  I wanted to eat many different
things that I knew were not worth it--finally forced myself to sit in the
easy chair and grab a quick nap before I decided what (or if) to eat.  It
worked!  I'm back in charge of my choices!

TM =c)

>I had a little holiday fall over here !!! O-O
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> Will~
Willow Herself - 16 Dec 2006 21:25 GMT
There's a lesson there... one I should follow!
Will~

>I can certainly elate!  Parties themselves are not my weak point--being
>tired is--and this week was exhausting!  I wanted to eat many different
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>> Will~
Uncle Bonzi - 17 Dec 2006 05:15 GMT
Nice to know your human....  In N.A. they say "One is to many and a
thousand is never enough."

I always thought GOD gave me two hands to eat with.

- Ralph

> There's a lesson there... one I should follow!
> Will~
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> >> Will~
teachrmama - 17 Dec 2006 05:27 GMT
> Nice to know your human....  In N.A. they say "One is to many and a
> thousand is never enough."
>
> I always thought GOD gave me two hands to eat with.

Only when your hands are not involved with other things GOD also gave you 2
hands for. <smile>

TM
Stormmee - 17 Dec 2006 06:54 GMT
lots of rewarding stuff, Lee, thinking a hug is always a good thing,

> > Nice to know your human....  In N.A. they say "One is to many and a
> > thousand is never enough."
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> TM
Willow Herself - 17 Dec 2006 06:06 GMT
:o) I've had many setbacks this fall... professionnally, personally...  feel
myself falling back into the "why bother" and the "I'm gonna f.ck it up
anyway, so why make the effort in the first place" frame of mind again..

I've been straight and sober for over 6 years now.. on plan for 4...
sometimes it's all very easy... sometimes everything is a struggle... I'll
pull through though.. I always do.. somehow..

First wall I hit since moving to the states.. kinda lonely.. oh well..
Will~

> Nice to know your human....  In N.A. they say "One is to many and a
> thousand is never enough."
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Stormmee - 17 Dec 2006 06:56 GMT
you are inspiring with all you have accomplished, Lee
> :o) I've had many setbacks this fall... professionnally, personally...  feel
> myself falling back into the "why bother" and the "I'm gonna f.ck it up
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Gary G - 17 Dec 2006 15:29 GMT
I guess this is something which happens to us all...I also fall off
sometimes,...but wake up the next day and keep OP...Seems for me that
sometimes a quick explosion of food satisfies me and also shows me it really
is never as good as I think it's going be...In fact I seem more aware of my
"fullness" then I ever was...Keep the faith Willow...GG
> :o) I've had many setbacks this fall... professionnally, personally...
> feel myself falling back into the "why bother" and the "I'm gonna f.ck it
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>>> >> Will~
teachrmama - 17 Dec 2006 19:30 GMT
> :o) I've had many setbacks this fall... professionnally, personally...
> feel myself falling back into the "why bother" and the "I'm gonna f.ck it
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> First wall I hit since moving to the states.. kinda lonely.. oh well..

I know the feeling well.  Sometimes I don't think I can keep going--even for
one day at a time.  Sometimes I have to revert to one hour at a time--or
even 10 minutes at a time.  It usually happens after I have finished a big
project I was working on and now my attention can refocus on everything else
around me.  For example, early this year I completed coursework for my
Reading Specialist Credential--I had been going to school half time and
teaching full time, so everything was pretty intense.  Once that goal was
met, I suddenly had way more "thinking time" than I'd had before--and that's
what usually does me in.  Weird, huh?  I'm still in the process of finding
ways to cope in the lonely times, or the chaos times.  Like taking a quick
nap the other day.  It doesn't come easily, because I am not in the habit of
being kind or generous with myself--only with others.  Hang in there,
Willow.  You'll get through this.  One day at a time.
Stormmee - 17 Dec 2006 20:22 GMT
to tell you the truth there are times when its one bite at a time, Lee

> > :o) I've had many setbacks this fall... professionnally, personally...
> > feel myself falling back into the "why bother" and the "I'm gonna f.ck it
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> being kind or generous with myself--only with others.  Hang in there,
> Willow.  You'll get through this.  One day at a time.
Willow Herself - 17 Dec 2006 21:29 GMT
:o) That's what I feel these days... one minute at a time... I ate well for
breakfast, I ate well for lunch, I'm still straight, still sober..

Next minute now..
Will~

> to tell you the truth there are times when its one bite at a time, Lee
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>> being kind or generous with myself--only with others.  Hang in there,
>> Willow.  You'll get through this.  One day at a time.
teachrmama - 17 Dec 2006 21:47 GMT
Excellent!!  I had a salad with 95% lettuce and a few other veggies and some
fat free cheese hidden in there as surprise flavor bursts, so I'm good for a
while, too.  =c)

> :o) That's what I feel these days... one minute at a time... I ate well
> for breakfast, I ate well for lunch, I'm still straight, still sober..
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>>> being kind or generous with myself--only with others.  Hang in there,
>>> Willow.  You'll get through this.  One day at a time.
Stormmee - 17 Dec 2006 22:16 GMT
exactly, Lee
> :o) That's what I feel these days... one minute at a time... I ate well for
> breakfast, I ate well for lunch, I'm still straight, still sober..
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> >> being kind or generous with myself--only with others.  Hang in there,
> >> Willow.  You'll get through this.  One day at a time.
Laura - 17 Dec 2006 22:18 GMT
Good job. Keep it up.

> :o) That's what I feel these days... one minute at a time... I ate well
> for breakfast, I ate well for lunch, I'm still straight, still sober..
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>>> being kind or generous with myself--only with others.  Hang in there,
>>> Willow.  You'll get through this.  One day at a time.
teachrmama - 17 Dec 2006 21:51 GMT
> to tell you the truth there are times when its one bite at a time, Lee

That is certainly the truth!  My girls were making Christmas goodies for our
extended family yesterday--dipping butter cookies in melted chocolate and
sprinkling them with nuts and cake decorators--the house smelled sooooooo
good!  It's amazing how much aromas can stimulate feeling of wanting to
eat--not hunger, just cravings.

>> > :o) I've had many setbacks this fall... professionnally, personally...
>> > feel myself falling back into the "why bother" and the "I'm gonna f.ck
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>> being kind or generous with myself--only with others.  Hang in there,
>> Willow.  You'll get through this.  One day at a time.
Stormmee - 17 Dec 2006 22:17 GMT
that might have been hard for me to deal with, Lee

> > to tell you the truth there are times when its one bite at a time, Lee
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> >> being kind or generous with myself--only with others.  Hang in there,
> >> Willow.  You'll get through this.  One day at a time.
teachrmama - 18 Dec 2006 00:15 GMT
> that might have been hard for me to deal with, Lee

It certainly was for me!  I jumped on the exercise bike and rode like crazy!

>> > to tell you the truth there are times when its one bite at a time, Lee
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>> >> being kind or generous with myself--only with others.  Hang in there,
>> >> Willow.  You'll get through this.  One day at a time.
Stormmee - 18 Dec 2006 01:34 GMT
good solution, Lee

> > that might have been hard for me to deal with, Lee
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> >> >> being kind or generous with myself--only with others.  Hang in there,
> >> >> Willow.  You'll get through this.  One day at a time.
Stormmee - 17 Dec 2006 06:53 GMT
good for you, Lee
> I can certainly elate!  Parties themselves are not my weak point--being
> tired is--and this week was exhausting!  I wanted to eat many different
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> > Will~
doug lerner - 19 Dec 2006 20:27 GMT
My theory, which some people here object to, is that we, who have
weight problems, should NEVER take off. That is like telling an
alcoholic to take off for just one evening.

doug

> I had a little holiday fall over here !!! O-O
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> Will~
Stormmee - 20 Dec 2006 01:09 GMT
I think this is a ymmv deal.  some can make a decision to take off and be
fine, others can't, Lee
> My theory, which some people here object to, is that we, who have
> weight problems, should NEVER take off. That is like telling an
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> > Will~
Willow Herself - 20 Dec 2006 01:29 GMT
I don't agree... If it works for you, go for it, but it is not the same.

I don't believe in food addiction. I think it's an easy excuse for goofing
off.  I'm a drug addict, I've been straight for years, but I can't even let
myself think about doing the stuff, because when I do my BODY screams for
it. The symptoms are physical, not emotional, and on touch would be enough
to get completely hooked all over again.

Food is a different matter, eating right is a matter of awareness,
discipline. It's just paying attention to what I'm doing and make the extra
effort of making the right choices. My body doesn't ask for the "wrong
foods" and there is no euphoria when I get them. On the contrary, when I eat
right, I feel awesome, when I eat wrong, I feel crummy.. .

My body is telling me no, and because I'm bored, sad, angry, frustrated,
happy, I fail to listen to it and just go for the instant gratification that
last 5 seconds or so..

Will~
> My theory, which some people here object to, is that we, who have
> weight problems, should NEVER take off. That is like telling an
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Stormmee - 20 Dec 2006 01:35 GMT
your body is not a food addict, but I am sure it is a physical addiction for
some, up to and including, euphoria when eating, and not being able to stop.
but I also think that this is one of those, you gotta live to know, Lee,
cigarette addict,
> I don't agree... If it works for you, go for it, but it is not the same.
>
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> >> Will~
Willow Herself - 20 Dec 2006 06:10 GMT
As I said, whatever works... but I'd like to see any kind of proof that
there is a physical addiction to overeating... or the whole sugar addiction
thing... it's been claimed for a long time... I've never seen any kind of
scientific backing to the claims though..

We're all addicted to food.. without it we die... but that's a different
story..

It's a compulsive behavior, that I'll believe... and it's not easier to deal
with than a physical addiction.. but there's a lot of claims and little
litterature behind them...

Will~

> your body is not a food addict, but I am sure it is a physical addiction
> for
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Gary G - 21 Dec 2006 03:29 GMT
Sorry Doug but I must disagree...You can go a lifetime without a drink...You
will always eat...Let me ask you...What will you do if you "take
off"...Seems to me it would be a major trauma for you...My loss has been
terrific and I have taken off many times...But when I wake up the next
morning I'm back OP...For me learning to eat within my frame is more
important than to deny the occasional fling...I love food,..but now I know
that I can eat just one...Peace and good health to all...GG

> My theory, which some people here object to, is that we, who have
> weight problems, should NEVER take off. That is like telling an
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>> Will~
doug lerner - 23 Dec 2006 21:54 GMT
Well, like I said, some people will disagree with me. Maybe a majority
will. :)

I don't think food is *physically* addicting. But for myself (and for
too many other people who I have read here), it is definitely
psychologically addicting and extraordinarily difficult, if not
impossible, to "take off a day" and then bounce back and keep on going.

One meal drags into all day which drags into multiple days which drags
into missed weigh-ins and weight creeping back on, etc.

For myself, I couldn't do it. Thus the "never ever under any
circumstances" take "a break" from my diet rule.

The only exception I would make would be if something truly
catastrophic happened, like being stuck on an island (like in "Lost")
and I couldn't count calories anymore. :)

To me the important thing is getting out of the "gluttony mindset" that
equates special occasions with overeating high-caloric foods.

So I continue to recommend "no exceptions - ever". Instead I recommend
tweaking the diet so it is comfortable for you to stay on forever - so
you don't feel the need to "take off a day".

In my diet the "bonus calories" help me with special occasions.
Similarly, in WW there are like 1500 calories/week in the form of free
point there for that purpose, right? That allows you to sample holiday
treats and still stay on your diet. That is what I strongly recommend.

doug

> Sorry Doug but I must disagree...You can go a lifetime without a drink...You
> will always eat...Let me ask you...What will you do if you "take
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ahmward - 25 Dec 2006 00:08 GMT
This is why you are so successful and after all these years I have
struggles.  My buddy at meetings lost 160 pounds, half her body weight
and her philosophy is like yours.  She can't even have flex points or
she gains.  She is 68 and quite sedentary so she must be satisfied with
approximately 22 points daily to maintain her weight.
Audrey

> Well, like I said, some people will disagree with me. Maybe a majority
> will. :)
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Willow Herself - 26 Dec 2006 22:46 GMT
Just want to point out that when I go "off program" I don't over eat...

It's not an eating binge.. I might eat more than I would normally... but I
won't shovell it down... I've worked too hard..

WIll~

> Well, like I said, some people will disagree with me. Maybe a majority
> will. :)
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