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Weight Loss Forum / WeightWatchers / April 2009A couple of "Filling Foods" questions
As I mentioned, I recently tried the free online WW trial and have a current copy of the "Filling Foods" list and the current "Momentum" plan and its "Simply Filling" variation. I have two questions about this: (1) Comparing Simply FIlling to the old "Core" plan I cannot see any difference at all - not in the foods list, not in the free weekly points allowance, not in activity points, not in the suggestions about portions or listening to your hunger signals and avoid overstuffing. Are there really any differences at all from Core? (2) How do foods which are made from Filling Foods and non-Filling Foods work again? For example, if I make a stew from Filling Foods and add a non-Filling Food ingredient to it, do I just count the points of the extra items against my weekly extra allowance? Thanks, doug > As I mentioned, I recently tried the free online WW trial and have a > current copy of the "Filling Foods" list and the current "Momentum" [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > portions or listening to your hunger signals and avoid overstuffing. > Are there really any differences at all from Core? Not really. The new plan is more of a new approach for Point counters than for those who were doing Core (Simply Filling now). > (2) How do foods which are made from Filling Foods and non-Filling > Foods work again? For example, if I make a stew from Filling Foods and > add a non-Filling Food ingredient to it, do I just count the points of > the extra items against my weekly extra allowance? The rule of thumb is that if there is more than 2 ingredients that are Non-Filling, OR if a main ingredient is Non-Filling, you count the whole thing. If it's just 1-2 ingredients (for exemple, a sandwich in which only the bread would be non-Filling) then you can count the WPAs for the one ingredients (or two) and not count the rest. The sandwich would be 0+ bread pts. Will~ > Thanks, > > doug On Apr 13, 10:20 am, "Willow Herself" <willowki...@somethingkikeseamountains.net> wrote: > The rule of thumb is that if there is more than 2 ingredients that are > Non-Filling, OR if a main ingredient is Non-Filling, you count the whole [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > The sandwich would be 0+ bread pts. > Will~ Thanks, Willow. Is that "rule of thumb" actually stated in an FAQ or printed info somewhere, or is this just something the WW counselors tell you? Yours, doug On Apr 13, 10:20 am, "Willow Herself" <willowki...@somethingkikeseamountains.net> wrote: > The rule of thumb is that if there is more than 2 ingredients that are > Non-Filling, OR if a main ingredient is Non-Filling, you count the whole [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > The sandwich would be 0+ bread pts. > Will~ Thanks, Willow. Is that "rule of thumb" actually stated in an FAQ or printed info somewhere, or is this just something the WW counselors tell you? Yours, doug I don't think it's explained "as such" anywhere. That's what we are being told to explain to the members by the trainers. In the cookbooks, and the material, any recipe that has any non-filling ingredient is being count as a whole. There is allusion to it in some various quiz on the website, but I've never seen it quite spelled out. Will~ so is my example right or wrong? Lee, not sure now >> As I mentioned, I recently tried the free online WW trial and have a >> current copy of the "Filling Foods" list and the current "Momentum" [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] >> >> doug that is my understanding, so if you have a pot of stew with filling foods and say the stew is eight servings, and you put in 8 points of non filling foods then a serving is 1 point, somebody please correct me if i am wrong, Lee > As I mentioned, I recently tried the free online WW trial and have a > current copy of the "Filling Foods" list and the current "Momentum" [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > doug It depends how many "non-filling foods" you have.. if it's more than 1 or 2, your recipe isn't Simply Filling anymore.. I rarely have more than one non-filling ingredient anyway. It's not about what you can get away with, it's about understanding how the program works and why. Some people do it differently, they just count the pts for non-filling foods only, no matter how many there are. If that works for them, fine for them, that is not how the plan was taught to us (the leaders). > that is my understanding, so if you have a pot of stew with filling foods > and say the stew is eight servings, and you put in 8 points of non filling [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >> >> doug makes sense, but then i was thinking in stew the only non filling foods i might put in would be oil to brown the meat and a bit of flour to thicken the gravy, thanks for putting up with us, Lee > It depends how many "non-filling foods" you have.. if it's more than 1 or > 2, your recipe isn't Simply Filling anymore.. [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] >>> >>> doug Then I would count the points for only the oil and the flour.. But if, for exemple, your stew had the oil, the flour, and non-filling beef, I would count the whole thing because you have 3 non-filling ingredients AND one of them is a main ingredient of your stew (beef). Will~ > makes sense, but then i was thinking in stew the only non filling foods i > might put in would be oil to brown the meat and a bit of flour to thicken [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] >>>> >>>> doug that makes total sense, Lee > Then I would count the points for only the oil and the flour.. > [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] >>>>> >>>>> doug > It depends how many "non-filling foods" you have.. if it's more than > 1 or 2, your recipe isn't Simply Filling anymore.. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > for them, fine for them, that is not how the plan was taught to us > (the leaders). Wait. I did not realize you are not supposed to count points for filling foods? I use the filling foods list to provide me with... filling foods! I like to not be hungry. But I count all points. Is this wrong? >> that is my understanding, so if you have a pot of stew with filling >> foods and say the stew is eight servings, and you put in 8 points of [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >>> >>> doug There's two way to do it.. you can count everything, or you can do the "Simply Filling Technique" which is pretty much like Core used to be. If you're tracking everything, filling foods DO have points, and they should be the main focus of your food choices. Will~ ' >> It depends how many "non-filling foods" you have.. if it's more than >> 1 or 2, your recipe isn't Simply Filling anymore.. [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] >>>> >>>> doug > There's two way to do it.. you can count everything, or you can do the > "Simply Filling Technique" which is pretty much like Core used to be. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Will~ Thanks. That makes the most sense. > ' >>> It depends how many "non-filling foods" you have.. if it's more than [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] >>>>> >>>>> doug Since the plan is exactly the same as Core I wonder why they bothered changing the name and de-emphasizing it. "Simply Filling" and "Filling Foods" are much harder to say and write than just "Core." Also the WW site now says, "Tracking is our preferred way of maintaining control, but some people just aren’t wired for it. So we have another technique: Simply Filling." Just speaking bluntly here, that sounds much like the old expression "putting lipstick on a pig" and basically admitting that the Core program wasn't really a success. I think the quoted statement could probably be re-phrased as, "We found that in the end only tracking works, so we have killed off the Core plan. But if you can't track it's probably better than nothing to at least eat from the healthy food list." doug |
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