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Cubit - 04 Apr 2007 04:16 GMT As I move down in weight, I seem to do battle with everyone that used to support me back when I weighed 300. Once you get below the BMI of the fat people you know, they become serious adversaries to what you are doing.
I liked the warm fuzzy feeling that the world was on my side. Now, I'm left with a hostile attitude where I am defensive about food.
I want to do this for me, and not be distracted with spiteful thoughts against those who tempt me with food.
Also, TV commercials showing food should be illegal.
Cubit 190/173/160
Lately, it seems like my 20 pound dog eats more than I do.
Chris Braun - 04 Apr 2007 13:08 GMT >As I move down in weight, I seem to do battle with everyone that used to >support me back when I weighed 300. Once you get below the BMI of the fat [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >Lately, it seems like my 20 pound dog eats more than I do. You need to find friends with whom you have a shared interest other than gluttony :-). Do you belong to any clubs or anything?
Chris 262/130s/130s started dieting July 2002, maintaining since June 2004
The Historian - 05 Apr 2007 12:52 GMT > >As I move down in weight, I seem to do battle with everyone that used to > >support me back when I weighed 300. Once you get below the BMI of the fat [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > 262/130s/130s > started dieting July 2002, maintaining since June 2004 Hi Chris, you inspired me to make a post on my blog on this very topic
http://historian2wheels.blogspot.com/2007/04/company-you-keep.html
Chris Braun - 05 Apr 2007 23:40 GMT >> >As I move down in weight, I seem to do battle with everyone that used to >> >support me back when I weighed 300. Once you get below the BMI of the fat [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] >: >http://historian2wheels.blogspot.com/2007/04/company-you-keep.html Nicely done! I too haven't read "The Secret" but think it sounds like hooey.
Chris 262/130s/130s started dieting July 2002, maintaining since June 2004
Cubit - 06 Apr 2007 19:47 GMT I saw the video for "The Secret." While it is hooey, it works. I think it works, like a placebo works.
Don't mess with my placebos. hehe
>>> >As I move down in weight, I seem to do battle with everyone that used >>> >to [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > 262/130s/130s > started dieting July 2002, maintaining since June 2004 Nunya B. - 05 Apr 2007 16:10 GMT >>As I move down in weight, I seem to do battle with everyone that used to >>support me back when I weighed 300. Once you get below the BMI of the fat [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > 262/130s/130s > started dieting July 2002, maintaining since June 2004 I've discovered that in the last 4 years since losing weight that I have all new friends from the time when I started. I've even changed volleyball teams from one that values going out and drinking (before and after) on game nights to one that wants to get together to practice and run drills. Go figure. My social life no longer revolves around restaurants and bars but gyms and bike trails instead.
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Cubit - 05 Apr 2007 18:47 GMT >>>As I move down in weight, I seem to do battle with everyone that used to >>>support me back when I weighed 300. Once you get below the BMI of the [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > My social life no longer revolves around restaurants and bars but gyms and > bike trails instead. I didn't take Cris B's comment seriously, but you seem to have some real insight, here, Volleyballchick. To me, changing friends would be a very hard thing. However, your success with this is inspiring.
Cubit
Nunya B. - 05 Apr 2007 20:47 GMT >>>>As I move down in weight, I seem to do battle with everyone that used to >>>>support me back when I weighed 300. Once you get below the BMI of the [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > > Cubit It wasn't a conscious decision - I didn't seek out new people. It just sort of happened. It's not like I've dropped my old friends, but I definitely don't socialize as regularly or as closely with my old friends as I used to. There's still weddings, etc. Most of my friends are people I work with so I haven't lost contact. Meanwhile my newer activities in life have brought me new people with whom I have more things in common. Friday nights used to be drinking too much and eating bar food, now it's getting together with other couples to bowl, go boating, or play Nintendo Wii - usually after DH and I have hit the gym. There's still some drinking, but it's not the focus of the evening and dinners tend to be less deep-fried and cheese coated :).
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Chris Braun - 05 Apr 2007 23:46 GMT >>>>As I move down in weight, I seem to do battle with everyone that used to >>>>support me back when I weighed 300. Once you get below the BMI of the [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > >Cubit Well, I actually meant it seriously. You would probably enjoy getting to know people who share some of your new interests -- and clubs and such are a good way to do that. And it would help with the "sabotage" problem you're having with some of your old friends.
fuentez - 04 Apr 2007 15:46 GMT > As I move down in weight, I seem to do battle with everyone that used to > support me back when I weighed 300. Once you get below the BMI of the fat [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Lately, it seems like my 20 pound dog eats more than I do. It's a shame that your friends make you feel that way, its the same with any form of success, people tend to get envious. What they need to learn is that food is not entertainment, it is fuel for the body. It's like putting gas in your car, you put in as much as you need, if you put in too much gas spills out into the ground , with your body too much fuel gets stored. _________________________________________ Visit my diet and health blogg. http://www.x-kru.cq.bz/
Renee - 04 Apr 2007 21:16 GMT > As I move down in weight, I seem to do battle with everyone that used to > support me back when I weighed 300. Once you get below the BMI of thefatpeopleyou know, they become serious adversaries to what you are doing. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > I want to do this for me, and not be distracted with spiteful thoughts > against those who tempt me with food. I find myself in this situation as well and I can sympathize with you because I know it hurts. People you thought were friends turn out to be people who only associated with you to make themselves feel better about being fat. Once you start to lose sizable amounts of weight they can no longer point to you behind your back as say at least I'm not nearly as obese as her.
Many of my friends are heavy and among them I was always the heaviest, until recently. After more than two years of dieting hell I'm finally getting down to the size that no longer makes me the heaviest in my circle of friends and it appears that some of my former associates feel quite threatened. Once this sets in, the hostility and in some cases the actual sabotage begins.
Unfortunately this is all too common in many instances. But I have found that just as recovering drug abusers must remove themselves from the association of fellow drug abusers, recovering food abusers also must disassociate them selves from fellow food abusers. Try it you will be better off.
> Also, TV commercials showing food should be illegal. I agree, maybe someone should invent a V chip that can block those commercials. Imagine the fortune they could make.
Regards BR.
seanthomaskelly@hotmail.com - 05 Apr 2007 00:00 GMT > As I move down in weight, I seem to do battle with everyone that used to > > support me back when I weighed 300. Once you get below the BMI of thefatpeopleyou know, they become serious adversaries to what you are doing. > > > I liked the warm fuzzy feeling that the world was on my side. Now, I'm left > > with a hostile attitude where I am defensive about food.
> I find myself in this situation as well and I can sympathize with you > because I know it hurts. I've heard a psychologist say that spouses can sabotage healthy habits, too.
> Many of my friends are heavy and among them I was always the heaviest, > until recently. After more than two years of dieting hell I'm finally > getting down to the size that no longer makes me the heaviest in my > circle of friends and it appears that some of my former associates > feel quite threatened. Two years of dieting hell? Well, first, good job having the willpower to do that. But are you sure that you are dieting the right way? I wanted to lose fifty pounds but I plateaued (spelling?) after about ten. But then I finally gave up refined foods - or at least grains without fiber and started eating really little meals (snacks, really) every three hours and I started losing again. If you eat, even a small meal, the body thinks that the food supply is plentiful and it's safe to burn fat and lose weight [1]. Since I'm eating every three hours I'm constantly in the "fed state", and burning fat. Eating three rice cakes is enough to do it, and they come in cheese flavor, so I enjoy the taste (they come in chocolate, too, for 15 more calories a cake, which is a small transgression :). I eat cheese popcorn, too. One meal a day is a regular meal, 600 calories, and I have an 8 ounce can of coke with it. I've been loosing 1 1/2 pounds a week that way. I think about food a lot, but it isn't that intense craving that leads to hedonistic eating that wrecks a diet.
Of course, if you are eating white rice or bread that isn't whole grain whole wheat [2], the body digests it quickly, so you have more energy than you need and it gets stored as fat. Then, before the three hours is up, the body runs out of fuel from the white bread and goes into the "fasting state", where it slows the metabolism ( the normal processes of repair that the body constantly does) down to conserve fat. So you lose, er, gain, both ways: you put on fat first and then you don't take it back off.
Has anybody here heard of Brenda Watson's Fiber 35 program? I saw it on public television. She says that dietary fiber sequesters food in the intestines so that it doesn't get digested. In other words, you can eat more food and still loose weight. She shows plates of food that represent the typical American diet [3]. The portions look kinda small, but she says that it adds up to 1600 calories. Then she shows plates of food with Fiber 35 menu foods on them. They are practically overflowing with food, there's so much. She says that when you subtract the calories that the 35 grams of fiber keep you from digesting, you have a net caloric intake of 800 calories. I think just about anybody could loose weight eating that amount per day. Oh, she recommends exercising, too. My local PBS station's website is selling the Fiber 35 program materials, if anybody is interested:
https://www.kcts.org/members/pledge/index.asp
Feel free to pledge to my station, or you can look for your own local PBS station and get it from them.
I read in "You: On A Diet" that each additional pound of muscle burns between 40 and 120 calories per day. It gives exercises that you can do (no gym required) to build up your core muscles and that could really help with both getting rid of weight and with keeping it off after you're done. I get the impression that maintaining muscle mass is the thing that burns the most calories, more than aerobic exercise. although the author, Michael F. Roizen, recommends also walking for 30 minutes a day.
> > Also, TV commercials showing food should be illegal. How about just making the TV commercials showing unhealthy food illegal. Like the way they outlawed commericals for tobacco products on TV.
> I agree, maybe someone should invent a V chip that can block those > commercials. Imagine the fortune they could make. The advertising industry and big business will spend whatever it takes to make sure that that never happens. Using part of the money that we pay for the products we buy from them, too.
Sean, long winded today :)
P.S.: I heard that being overweight increases the likelihood of getting diabetes. Diabetes can make you blind and can require that you have your feet amputated. That's my motivation, to diet and keep them.
[1] Well, the body doesn't really think, but it acts as if it does.
[2] Every brand of whole grain whole wheat bread I've seen has high fructose corn syrup, which makes it just as bad as eating white bread. Totally defeats the purpose of making it whole grain. My Mom says that Trader Joe's has whole grain bread without the corn syrup, but I haven't checked on that.
[3] Breakfast: Bagel with cream cheese. Lunch: Hamburger and fries. Dinner: Fried chicken, mashed potatoes, and green beans.
Ragnar's a pudge packer - 27 Oct 2007 00:44 GMT >I find myself in this situation as well and I can sympathize with you >because I know it hurts. People you thought were friends turn out to [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] >Regards >BR. Ragnar's wife will gain all the weight back once she loses enough weight that he won't be able to get it up anymore. Fat rolls excite Ragnar.
Wildhare - 28 Oct 2007 15:23 GMT On Oct 26, 7:44 pm, ragnar...@sicktwist.com (Ragnar's a pudge packer) wrote:
> >I find myself in this situation as well and I can sympathize with you > >because I know it hurts. People you thought were friends turn out to [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Unlike Ragnar's obvious affinity for women with extra meat on their bones, your bizarre interest in Ragnar's sex life is a sick, stalker like activity. You are a creep and fatty f.cking pales in comparison to your deviant nature.
XXXXgizzieXXXX - 05 Apr 2007 01:32 GMT > Also, TV commercials showing food should be illegal. If I see that KFC commercial with "all your favorites!" one more time, I'm going to scream. Other women are fantasizing over patrick Dempsey, I'm fantasizing over Colonel Sanders...
And whoever penned that "you are always on my mind" ad, with the people dragging the scales around on their ankles, should get an Obie.
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LFM - 05 Apr 2007 03:30 GMT > As I move down in weight, I seem to do battle with everyone that used to > support me back when I weighed 300. Once you get below the BMI of the fat [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Also, TV commercials showing food should be illegal. I have an issue with a friend at work who is heavy (where I am not, but working on removing a minor gain) and my friend seems set on subtle sabotage. After 9 yrs of working together she knows my weaknesses pretty well, and a few weeks ago once the weight loss I'm striving for started becoming noticable in my clothes, I started finding little candy treats (my favorite kind, peauntbutter/chocolate) on my desk, keyboard, or chair a few times a day. I can easily turn that stuff aside when its in a candy dish in someone elses office, but dammit, if its right in front of my face, I will eat it without even thinking. I can easily consume an extra 300+ cals a day in those stupid things.
I don't think it is intentional, conscious sabatoge, but you know how it is, on some subconscious level they are jealous and are working to try and sabatoge you.
> Cubit > 190/173/160 > > Lately, it seems like my 20 pound dog eats more than I do. Oh, how true this is! My 50lb dog eats more than me! Its not fair!
Jeri - 05 Apr 2007 11:57 GMT > I have an issue with a friend at work who is heavy (where I am not, > but working on removing a minor gain) and my friend seems set on [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > it is, on some subconscious level they are jealous and are working to > try and sabatoge you. Did she used to leave candy on your chair and keyboard before? If not, don't kid yourself. I could see it maybe being subconscious if she started stocking the candy dish on her desk with your favorites but going out of her way to put a piece on your chair several times a day?? Sounds pretty conscious and intentional to me.
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The Historian - 05 Apr 2007 12:50 GMT > > I have an issue with a friend at work who is heavy (where I am not, > > but working on removing a minor gain) and my friend seems set on [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > way to put a piece on your chair several times a day?? Sounds pretty > conscious and intentional to me. It might be motivated by pity rather than anything sinister. Ive found that the morbidly obese folks at my company, at least the ones in denial, feel sorry for me that I have to exercise, ride my bike, and choose my food carefully. I've come across folks who are upset that I'm doing what they haven't been able to do, but usually it's pity they feel. I get knowing smiles when I mention being sore from lifting or physical therapy, when I mention getting my bike serviced or adjusted, etc. Meanwhile, I smile inwardly when I see them waddle down the hallways or brace themselves when they attempt to stand.
dkw12002@yahoo.com - 05 Apr 2007 13:13 GMT > As I move down in weight, I seem to do battle with everyone that used to > support me back when I weighed 300. Once you get below the BMI of the fat [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Lately, it seems like my 20 pound dog eats more than I do. Don't count on it. It's still lonely down here. Sometimes people have the illusion that losing weight will solve all their problems, attract friends, make them smarter, prettier, and better adjusted. In the end, weight loss has to be its own reward....cause often there is nobody to appreciate the effort.
I still remember how proud I was of my weight loss...yet people I knew were more likely to ask if I had been sick.....SICK, like I was gaunt and unhealthy. It just pissed me off. One guy even asked if I had cancer. A couple of people did say I looked great, so I went with that opinion since it was also my own.
People fight you the entire way to weight loss too stating all sorts of opinions about what you are doing WRONG. You just have to fight back. What it did for me was make me MORE resolved, so in a way those comments helped. People in Texas think vegetarianism is a disease to begin with, so I just don't bring it up. Of course we have the fattest people in the US I'm convinced, so what the hell do they know.
Just stick with it. dkw
Del Cecchi - 05 Apr 2007 19:00 GMT dkw12002@yahoo.com wrote:> opinion since it was also my own.
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> People fight you the entire way to weight loss too stating all sorts > of opinions about what you are doing WRONG. You just have to fight [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Just stick with it. dkw Never been to Wisconsin, eh?
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dkw12002@yahoo.com - 05 Apr 2007 23:01 GMT > dkw12...@yahoo.com wrote:> opinion since it was also my own. > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > "This post is my own and doesn't necessarily represent IBM's positions, > strategies or opinions." I lived in Rockford, Illinois and got up to S. Wisconsin a lot. Liked their cheese. Hated their taxes. LOL dkw
Mu - 05 Apr 2007 19:37 GMT > I liked the warm fuzzy feeling that the world was on my side. Now, I'm left > with a hostile attitude where I am defensive about food. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Also, TV commercials showing food should be illegal. If you will notice, you constantly post to a FOOD related group, you used the word FOOD in every paragraph above and you even had to include a PS about FOOD.
Here's a clue up.
Your life still revolves around food, maybe that's the real problem, eh?
Cubit - 06 Apr 2007 19:53 GMT My focus on food is not the reason for obesity, it is the reason I have been successful in fighting obesity.
There is something primal in the social effects of people eating in a group.
>> I liked the warm fuzzy feeling that the world was on my side. Now, I'm >> left [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Your life still revolves around food, maybe that's the real problem, eh? Mu - 10 Apr 2007 02:41 GMT > My focus on food is not the reason for obesity, it is the reason I have been > successful in fighting obesity. > > There is something primal in the social effects of people eating in a group. Cubit, when food is NOT the focus, you don't worry about eating, eating becomes a function of necessity. Your stats don't indicate your height but 160 pounds ain't what I would call success.
The Historian - 10 Apr 2007 10:54 GMT > > My focus on food is not the reason for obesity, it is the reason I have been > > successful in fighting obesity. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > becomes a function of necessity. Your stats don't indicate your height > but 160 pounds ain't what I would call success. Amazing. According to "Mu", one can judge a proper weight without knowing the height. Hey "Mu", should I try to get below 160, and thus in your books become a 'success'?
Mu - 11 Apr 2007 08:37 GMT >>> My focus on food is not the reason for obesity, it is the reason I have been >>> successful in fighting obesity. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >> becomes a function of necessity. Your stats don't indicate your height >> but 160 pounds ain't what I would call success.
> Amazing. Oh, blush blush but go on.
> According to "Mu", Yes "The Historian"...
> one can judge a proper weight without > knowing the height. Hey "Mu", should I try to get below 160, and thus > in your books become a 'success'? Since I don't know if "The Historian" is a male or female, I have no comment for Usenet "History".
However, I know of very few females who carry 160 lbs that would not be considered obese. Which is why Cubit top posts so to see what she has written by not having to look over her belly. :) Kidding, kidding!
Taking that you, "The Historian", from mu "Mu", being you have self-appointed yourself as the Cubit Personal Saviour From Harm, I will defer from enlightening you as to Cubit's past, and many others here, who regardless of your or assessment of their height-weight ratios continue to view food as a worthwhile subject of (near) hourly concern.
For if one is busy, as we all are or should be, and focused on things in our lives much important, then food becomes like a gas station stop. A very needed, necessary stop in life. Not one we talk about constantly or plan our familial, social and working lives around.
Cubit, and many, many others, who are attempting to reduce their weight, look at food not as refueling (as in the case of our cars); they plan time, days, events, lives around eating. Do any of us plan our trips to Exxon in this way?
Of course we do not but food is no different than gas, relatively speaking.
So Dear "The Historian" Cubit's Knight In Shining ArmourAll, the facts still stand, as they ever did when Mu first appeared on support diet groups, people are fat because they overconsum. To a none, those that do overconsum have not learned to treat food as gas but more like oxygen.
Zilbandy - 13 Apr 2007 04:52 GMT >However, I know of very few females who carry 160 lbs that would not be >considered obese. Which is why Cubit top posts so to see what she has >written by not having to look over her belly. :) Kidding, kidding! This is my first day in this group, and I don't know who the good guys are and who the bad guys are, but it would seem to me that you may be one of the first to make my killfile, other than the obvious trolls. I'll give a few more days, but this is my 'first' impression. Just wanted to let you know. :)
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Mu - 13 Apr 2007 06:51 GMT >>However, I know of very few females who carry 160 lbs that would not be >>considered obese. Which is why Cubit top posts so to see what she has [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > I'll give a few more days, but this is my 'first' impression. Just > wanted to let you know. :) Do as you wish but let me suggest that you do your homework on Mu and all other posters here via the Usenet archives from Google Groups. Make intelligent decisions from that history.
Zilbandy - 13 Apr 2007 07:34 GMT >Do as you wish but let me suggest that you do your homework on Mu and >all other posters here via the Usenet archives from Google Groups. Make >intelligent decisions from that history. Fair enough. I really shouldn't have made any comments on day one anyway. It's just, at my age, you never know if there will be a day two. Sorry for jumping out on the wrong walker... errr wrong foot. :)
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Mu - 13 Apr 2007 07:45 GMT >>Do as you wish but let me suggest that you do your homework on Mu and >>all other posters here via the Usenet archives from Google Groups. Make [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > anyway. It's just, at my age, you never know if there will be a day > two. Sorry for jumping out on the wrong walker... errr wrong foot. :) I hope you have not a long life but the life that you want.
Diva - 13 Apr 2007 13:52 GMT > >However, I know of very few females who carry 160 lbs that would not be > >considered obese. Which is why Cubit top posts so to see what she has [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > -- > Zilbandy You can see already that not all of us are good and not all of us are guys. Welcome to the hornet's nest Zilbandy.
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Zilbandy - 14 Apr 2007 00:45 GMT >You can see already that not all of us are good and not all of us are >guys. Welcome to the hornet's nest Zilbandy. It's the same everywhere. I'll get a feel for things over the next few weeks / months. I think I'll like this group, though. I'm not saying I'm overweight or anything, but I will say I'm about 3 feet too short for my current weight. :)
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Beverly - 14 Apr 2007 03:14 GMT >>You can see already that not all of us are good and not all of us are >>guys. Welcome to the hornet's nest Zilbandy. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I'm overweight or anything, but I will say I'm about 3 feet too short > for my current weight. :) LOL.... My mother used to say she wasn't overweight she was just undertall.
Welcome.
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Cynthia P - 14 Apr 2007 06:33 GMT > It's the same everywhere. I'll get a feel for things over the next few > weeks / months. I think I'll like this group, though. I'm not saying > I'm overweight or anything, but I will say I'm about 3 feet too short > for my current weight. :) Hey, welcome!
I don't expect we can do much about the height issue, LOL, but we are here to lend an ear.
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