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bravodelta73@comcast.net - 17 Apr 2007 03:12 GMT
Are there any favorite diet/food-tracker programs out there?  I
currently use FitDay online, but am looking for something to use on my
local system that might allow greater customization.  Do a lot of the
diet programs out there come pre-populated with the macronutritents of
different types of foods (including brand-names, restaurants, etc?)  I
know I'll have to enter a lot of my own food information, but a goods
starting baseline would be useful.

In my brief search, I've found that both FitDay and Calorie King have
PC versions.  Any opinion on either of these, or recommendations to
check out other software?
determined - 17 Apr 2007 05:06 GMT
> Are there any favorite diet/food-tracker programs out there?  I
> currently use FitDay online, but am looking for something to use on my
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> PC versions.  Any opinion on either of these, or recommendations to
> check out other software?

Several years ago, I had Life Form, from fitnesoft.  Check it out here at
http://www.fitnesoft.com/.  I don't know how they are now, but I liked it
back then.  I don't know how it compares to fitday.
Bill Eitner - 17 Apr 2007 16:13 GMT
    I use Diet and Exercise Assistant Desktop
    available here: http://www.keyoe.com/
    It's cost effective and more than adequate
    for the task.  They also offer Palm and
    Pocket PC versions.
--

> Are there any favorite diet/food-tracker programs out there?  I
> currently use FitDay online, but am looking for something to use on my
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> PC versions.  Any opinion on either of these, or recommendations to
> check out other software?
joanne - 17 Apr 2007 16:25 GMT
On Apr 16, 7:12 pm, bravodelt...@comcast.net wrote:
> Are there any favorite diet/food-tracker programs out there?  I

http://www.dietpower.com/

By far the best to customize ..and you can try it out for free.

joanne
Phil M. - 01 May 2007 03:35 GMT
jgrrl2@yahoo.com wrote:

> On Apr 16, 7:12 pm, bravodelt...@comcast.net wrote:
>> Are there any favorite diet/food-tracker programs out there?  I
>
> http://www.dietpower.com/
>
> By far the best to customize ..and you can try it out for free.

Agree. I've been using DietPower for 3 years. I lost 80 lbs with it and
have kept it off. The latest version update has made it even better.

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Cubit - 17 Apr 2007 17:05 GMT
The Fitday download is out-of-date and it is difficult to enter data until
you learn the tricks to quick food data entry.  However, *it works.*  I've
been using it since early 2004 with no crashes or lost data.  The feedback I
get from Fitday has been a key to my dieting.

So, I wish it were better, but it is good enough to do the job.

> Are there any favorite diet/food-tracker programs out there?  I
> currently use FitDay online, but am looking for something to use on my
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> PC versions.  Any opinion on either of these, or recommendations to
> check out other software?
Cynthia P - 17 Apr 2007 21:59 GMT
> Are there any favorite diet/food-tracker programs out there?  I
> currently use FitDay online, but am looking for something to use on my
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> PC versions.  Any opinion on either of these, or recommendations to
> check out other software?

There are TONS of them, LOL!

I previously used Lifeform ( http://www.fitnesoft.com ), which I
really liked and found the easiest to log food with of any I ever
tried, including FitDay online. As far as I know, Lifeform is not
really being updated though. I think they have offered ONE food
database update, but no program updates.

However, as more recently, I wanted a software that could track
resistance workouts in more detail, I started looking around for a new
diet/fitness software myself.

My best advice is to do some Google searching... and then, if you find
several software packages that look interesting to you, TRY THEM OUT.
Most offer free trial downloads, though there are a few that don't.

My thinking is that different folks like different things. Many of the
softwares I tried irritated me one way or another, some I found
cumbersome to do the food entry, some didn't offer the kind of
detailed tracking I wanted for resistance exercise. Others, I found
the graph charts for protein/fat/carbs or other nutrients hard on my
eyes, or that the software wasn't customizeable enough. Some packages
that got good reviews were not intuitive to me at all. In other words,
I don't think it is a one size fits all thing.

I finally settled on Crosstrainer 6 ( http://www.crosstrainer.ca ),
but the food database is not entirely without issues, as it can be
confusing. And the program is fairly new in this version, so they are
still working out bugs.

Here's a link that can start you on the search, though there are other
softwares out there not listed here:

http://fitness-software-review.toptenreviews.com/

I've also been intrigued by Bodyfitdb, but they don't offer a free
trial anymore. I tried Dietpower, but it just wasn't quite it for me*.

This is a new one I heard about... haven't downloaded it yet, but it
also sounds decent:  http://www.dietandexercisetracker.com

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Cynthia P - 17 Apr 2007 22:06 GMT
> Are there any favorite diet/food-tracker programs out there?  I
> currently use FitDay online, but am looking for something to use on my
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> PC versions.  Any opinion on either of these, or recommendations to
> check out other software?

Apologies if this comes through twice... my newsreader just hiccupped
and I'm not sure it got posted the first time.

There are TONS of them, LOL!

I previously used Lifeform ( http://www.fitnesoft.com ), which I
really liked and found the easiest to log food with of any I ever
tried, including FitDay online. As far as I know, Lifeform is not
really being updated though. I think they have offered ONE food
database update, but no program updates.

However, as more recently, I wanted a software that could track
resistance workouts in more detail, I started looking around for a new
diet/fitness software myself.

My best advice is to do some Google searching... and then, if you find
several software packages that look interesting to you, TRY THEM OUT.
Most offer free trial downloads, though there are a few that don't.

My thinking is that different folks like different things. Many of the
softwares I tried irritated me one way or another, some I found
cumbersome to do the food entry, some didn't offer the kind of
detailed tracking I wanted for resistance exercise. Others, I found
the graph charts for protein/fat/carbs or other nutrients hard on my
eyes, or that the software wasn't customizeable enough. Some packages
that got good reviews were not intuitive to me at all. In other words,
I don't think it is a one size fits all thing.

I finally settled on Crosstrainer 6 ( http://www.crosstrainer.ca ),
but the food database is not entirely without issues, as it can be
confusing. And the program is fairly new in this version, so they are
still working out bugs.

Here's a link that can start you on the search, though there are other
softwares out there not listed here:

http://fitness-software-review.toptenreviews.com/

I've also been intrigued by Bodyfitdb, but they don't offer a free
trial anymore. I tried Dietpower, but it just wasn't quite it for me*.

This is a new one I heard about... haven't downloaded it yet, but it
also sounds decent:  http://www.dietandexercisetracker.com

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Cynthia
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Steve Wolstenholme - 17 Apr 2007 22:43 GMT
>Are there any favorite diet/food-tracker programs out there?  I
>currently use FitDay online, but am looking for something to use on my
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>PC versions.  Any opinion on either of these, or recommendations to
>check out other software?

I wrote my own software for finding diet and symptom relationships
years ago. It adapts the diet to match weight and fitness symptoms. It
has worked well for me as I have been using it for over ten years. It
doesn't have endless lists of food ingredients and nutrients. It
depends on you to tell it what you eat and what happens to your weight
and fitness symptoms so that it can match everything together. I don't
distribute the software any longer but it is still available from some
WEB locations. Try a search for NeuroDiet.

Steve
Mu - 18 Apr 2007 08:49 GMT
> I wrote my own software for finding diet and symptom relationships
> years ago. It adapts the diet to match weight and fitness symptoms. It
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>
> Steve

Artificially Intelligent diet software? AIDS?

Mu make funny!
Kaz Kylheku - 18 Apr 2007 00:03 GMT
On Apr 16, 7:12 pm, bravodelt...@comcast.net wrote:
> Are there any favorite diet/food-tracker programs out there?

If you need a computer to track your eating, you're doing way too much
of it.

Doh!
Cynthia P - 18 Apr 2007 01:39 GMT
> On Apr 16, 7:12 pm, bravodelt...@comcast.net wrote:
>> Are there any favorite diet/food-tracker programs out there?
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Doh!

Perhaps some folk need to track to find just that very thing out? Or
to find if they are, in fact, consuming too few calories.

And does the same apply to tracking your exercise? I doubt it.

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Mu - 18 Apr 2007 08:51 GMT
>> On Apr 16, 7:12 pm, bravodelt...@comcast.net wrote:
>>> Are there any favorite diet/food-tracker programs out there?
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> And does the same apply to tracking your exercise? I doubt it.

It's not the tracking that is of issue, it is the continuing need to do
so. Few can, most can't, end of diet for the latter.
Cynthia P - 18 Apr 2007 21:12 GMT
>>> On Apr 16, 7:12 pm, bravodelt...@comcast.net wrote:
>>>> Are there any favorite diet/food-tracker programs out there?
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> It's not the tracking that is of issue, it is the continuing need to do
> so. Few can, most can't, end of diet for the latter.

It *is* kind of a pain... but software makes it easier. I've got meal
records going way back actually, it's kind of interesting to see what
I thought was a good way to eat THEN vs. now. But yeah, if I start to
bail on tracking or weighing regularly, it's a bad sign.

At any rate, the statement I objected to was that tracking = too much
eating. That is not necessarily true.

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Mu - 19 Apr 2007 07:53 GMT
>>> Perhaps some folk need to track to find just that very thing out? Or
>>> to find if they are, in fact, consuming too few calories.
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> At any rate, the statement I objected to was that tracking = too much
> eating. That is not necessarily true.

If tracking is paramount to your (plural) exercise or weight loss, then
you are screwed. I point to the evidence of those in the alt.support
groups who yo-yo diet and to a one, those that tracked stopped and the
yo-yo began.

Having watched this for a decade on alt.support.diet.xxxxxxxx groups, I
see the pattern clearly. They stop tracking, gain weight, and my bet is
that they stopped tracking so they could walk blind to overconsumption
without accountability.
Cynthia P - 20 Apr 2007 22:31 GMT
>> It *is* kind of a pain... but software makes it easier. I've got meal
>> records going way back actually, it's kind of interesting to see what
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> groups who yo-yo diet and to a one, those that tracked stopped and the
> yo-yo began.

I hope eventually to get to the point where this is all
well-entrenched habit and I can pretty much not worry wo much about
it. I agree, stopping tracking has its bad points.

I may experiment some with tracking food less, but just results
instead. That would take off some of the day to day hassle, but make
me keep tabs on measurements (taken monthly) and overall weight
(usually daily).

Right now though, I feel like the tracking is a good idea for me. I'm
hoping to get the good eating habits well set in stone, but it's all
too easy to regress. One thing tracking does, if you eat something not
so ideal... you have to confront just how many calories it cost you,
as well as seeing how little protein/fiber, how much fat/sugar you've
put in your system.

> Having watched this for a decade on alt.support.diet.xxxxxxxx groups, I
> see the pattern clearly. They stop tracking, gain weight, and my bet is
> that they stopped tracking so they could walk blind to overconsumption
> without accountability.

Heaven knows, I've been there, and done that. Though it has usually
been a stress/life event thing that has first thrown me off good
eating habits and then I start to lose the tracking and ah, "walk
blind".

The only thing I can say is that so far, I've at least never exceeded
my highest weight. So at some point, I take the blinders off again.

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Mu - 21 Apr 2007 09:59 GMT
>> If tracking is paramount to your (plural) exercise or weight loss, then
>> you are screwed. I point to the evidence of those in the alt.support
>> groups who yo-yo diet and to a one, those that tracked stopped and the
>> yo-yo began.


> I hope eventually to get to the point where this is all
> well-entrenched habit and I can pretty much not worry wo much about
> it. I agree, stopping tracking has its bad points.

You won't track all this crap for life, will you? No one, I said no one
does, not one on these alt.diet.groups do.

> I may experiment some with tracking food less, but just results
> instead. That would take off some of the day to day hassle, but make
> me keep tabs on measurements (taken monthly) and overall weight
> (usually daily).

Sweetie, losing weight is not about constantly Gestapoing yourself.
Become your own best friend, Cynthia Evil is looking over Cytnthia Good
and driving your best side, Let it go.

> Right now though, I feel like the tracking is a good idea for me. I'm
> hoping to get the good eating habits well set in stone, but it's all
> too easy to regress. One thing tracking does, if you eat something not
> so ideal... you have to confront just how many calories it cost you,
> as well as seeing how little protein/fiber, how much fat/sugar you've
> put in your system.

As if you didn't intuitively know this? You weren't blind on your way to
obesity, you were blinded but never blind

>> Having watched this for a decade on alt.support.diet.xxxxxxxx groups, I
>> see the pattern clearly. They stop tracking, gain weight, and my bet is
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> The only thing I can say is that so far, I've at least never exceeded
> my highest weight. So at some point, I take the blinders off again.

God love you, Cynthia. You found this alt.Usenet place, that means you
have all the tools of effort in your corner.

Step back and ask yourself, how do I no longer war against myself? In
that, you will find all your answers,
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After four months and being an American in Taipei I never want to hear
“Oh your koala very cute” ever again. If there is an off chance that if
I do encounter a koala, I may have to punch it in the face as a result.
Even a pretty koala looks ugly with a broken nose.

Cynthia P - 22 Apr 2007 03:43 GMT
>>> If tracking is paramount to your (plural) exercise or weight loss, then
>>> you are screwed. I point to the evidence of those in the alt.support
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> does, not one on these alt.diet.groups do.
>  

Some stuff I probably WILL. For instance, I *LIKE* having records of
exercise sessions, as it's rather motivating when you realize that you
just walked a mile faster, swam a quarter mile faster, lifted heavier,
etc...

And bodyweight is going to have to be tracked for life, though not
necessarily daily. Not that it is any big deal for me to hop on the
scale in the morning. While mirror and clothes fit will help, I expect
when I reach goal to continue weighing. It's really too easy for one's
perspective by looking in the mirror to go off. I can look and see
myself as hideously ugly one day, and another, see myself as
beautiful. So I wouldn't rely on the mirror by itself to tell me if I
was gaining. And ideally, I'm going to want to keep to a certain
weight range so I never get so far out of bounds again.

>> I may experiment some with tracking food less, but just results
>> instead. That would take off some of the day to day hassle, but make
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> and driving your best side, Let it go.
>  

You are assuming that my tracking is Gestapo style... it's not that
rigid. For one thing, meals I frequently eat can be added to a day's
log with a couple clicks. It's not a biggie, really.

Do I weigh or measure vegetables or fruits? Nope. Do I do it with lean
meat or fish? Nope. I go by rough portion size, using my hand as a
guide. My salads, which usually form 2-3 of my daily meals are
assembled in 2-cup ZipLoc containers. What fits, fits, what doesn't,
doesn't! It makes for very easy portion control, and a just right
calorie load as well, once a tablespoon of dressing is added.

Do I measure fats? Yes. Will I enter things like candy/treats/chips?
Yes. In other words, I don't worry too much about the healthy stuff,
but I do keep a close eye on the calorie dense items.

>> Right now though, I feel like the tracking is a good idea for me. I'm
>> hoping to get the good eating habits well set in stone, but it's all
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> obesity, you were blinded but never blind
>  

Oh, of course one knows it... but I find it a bit of a wake up call
sometimes when I log something. For instance, I went online to get the
info on a salad that I like to order at a particular restaurant chain
we frequent on occasion. MAN! I had NO IDEA how many calories that
salad packed! And it wasn't all the dressing either!

Scary, but sometimes, unless you are actually doing a little tracking,
you just don't find these things out!

>>> Having watched this for a decade on alt.support.diet.xxxxxxxx groups, I
>>> see the pattern clearly. They stop tracking, gain weight, and my bet is
>>> that they stopped tracking so they could walk blind to overconsumption
>>> without accountability.

What I'm trying to do right now, is keep on track for eating enough
calories (minus a 500 calorie deficit). Yep, it's easy to eat too
many, but it's also quite easy for me to eat too few, which then
lowers my metabolism. Doing the prep of several of my daily meals each
morning is really helping with that!

> God love you, Cynthia. You found this alt.Usenet place, that means you
> have all the tools of effort in your corner.

Oh, the rest of the internet has been useful too. While the first two
serious attempts to make goal failed, I'd say that each time, I've
learned and each time, my eating habits have gotten a bit better.

> Step back and ask yourself, how do I no longer war against myself? In
> that, you will find all your answers,

Good question! I do tend to do that, but not ONLY in this regard. I am
a wee bit of a perfectionist. At least I've now got it down that
botching a days eating means little in the long run as long as you
simply go back to healthy eating ASAP. I think it used to be much more
of a war in the past than it is now.

It is practically a nuclear war getting me to get my housework done,
but even there, I'm learning that a little bit a day keeps things
easier to manage.

Cynthia
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Mu - 22 Apr 2007 06:54 GMT
>> You won't track all this crap for life, will you? No one, I said no one
>> does, not one on these alt.diet.groups do.
>>  
>
> Some stuff I probably WILL.

"Probably" noted. "Reality" = zero.
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After four months and being an American in Taipei I never want to hear
“Oh your koala very cute” ever again. If there is an off chance that if
I do encounter a koala, I may have to punch it in the face as a result.
Even a pretty koala looks ugly with a broken nose.

Kaz Kylheku - 21 Apr 2007 01:09 GMT
> >>> Perhaps some folk need to track to find just that very thing out? Or
> >>> to find if they are, in fact, consuming too few calories.
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> If tracking is paramount to your (plural) exercise or weight loss, then
> you are screwed.

People have to apply tracking to variables so they could limit the
impact of something they can't predict or control.

In investing, you track volatile holdings because they are
unpredictable. If you put your money into some safe, ``guaranteed'',
debt-based instrument, you don't monitor it everyday, because it
doesn't do anything surprising! On the other hand, if you put money
into individual stocks, you do monitor them, and the more volatile
they are, the more frequently you do that.

The reason people monitor their diets is because they have no
accountability, but want to /pretend/ that they have it.

What tracking allows them to do is to pretend that the contents of the
diet are some external influence which happens /to/ them, like the
fluctuation of a stock price. Eating isn't something that is done /by/
them, voluntarily.  The hand which grabs the food, and the mouth which
opens to receive it, are out of control. But, oh, in the tracking
there is shrewd discipline!

Anothe reason for tracking, one somewhat more legitimate, is that it
allows variety. You can eat different things everyday. The answer to
that is /not/ to eat different things everyday. Find interests that
don't involve primitive stimulation of the lower brain centers,
emanating from the taste buds.

I've never tracked what I eat. But of course, I do control what I eat.
That's precisely why I don't need tracking, for the same reason that
if, for instance, I could control the prices of stocks, I wouldn't
track them either. I'd be too busy trading to get rich, and I could do
that by picking one stock and executing a simple pattern of control
and trade, repeatedly.

This is me, coming in for a 41:14 10K finish last Sunday, in the
centre of the photo:

http://ieinnovative.netfirms.com/Photos/Events/SR07/8/WM/W56278.jpg

I did once weigh over 250 pounds.

My approach to eating is simple: I eat almost the same thing everyday.
If I were to track it, it would be row after row of nearly the same
thing. I could basically just cut and paste the contents of the log
hundreds of days into the future. Where there are deviations, they are
very easy to estimate.

I used to track my running and other exercise in a detailed way. But
that also became so regular, that the daily entries started to
resemble each other and the weeks became nearly identical. So I
stopped.
Mu - 21 Apr 2007 10:38 GMT
>> Mu wrote:

>> If tracking is paramount to your (plural) exercise or weight loss, then
>> you are screwed.


> People have to apply tracking to variables so they could limit the
> impact of something they can't predict or control.
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> The reason people monitor their diets is because they have no
> accountability, but want to /pretend/ that they have it.

Uh, excuse me, who are you, where have you been, can I take you to a
light lunch? On Mu. Like yesterday?

> What tracking allows them to do is to pretend that the contents of the
> diet are some external influence which happens /to/ them, like the
> fluctuation of a stock price. Eating isn't something that is done /by/
> them, voluntarily.  The hand which grabs the food, and the mouth which
> opens to receive it, are out of control. But, oh, in the tracking
> there is shrewd discipline!

There is, imo, a devilish self-flagellating. It is as if the choices are
"I got fat, I was bad, to get the bad off, I have to pay the necessary
penance."

This is typical of (many other religions too) the Roman Catholic
ideology that I was scarred with from age 4 to 17; the hurt that binds
the "failed" is ultimately my fault; I was short this effort, belief,
faith.

So I "tracked" my indiscretions with rosary beads, one by one on my
knees on marble floors days, months, years. Paying in emotional and
physical pain for what? Being born?

One day, early in Mu childhood, Mu, got sick and f.cking tired of this
"Mu is bad because <insert anything>". I was bad for what? These people
who taught Mu more hate than love, who are they?

"Holding back the years
Thinking of the fear I've had so long
When somebody hears
Listen to the fear that's gone
Strangled by the wishes of Pater
Hoping for the arms of Mater
Get to me the sooner or later

Holding back the years
Chance for me to escape from all I've known
Holding back the tears
Cause nothing here has grown
I've wasted all my tears
Wasted all those years
And nothing had the chance to be good
Nothing ever could yeah

I'll keep holding on
I'll keep holding on
I'll keep holding on
I'll keep holding on
/So tight/

I've wasted all my tears
Wasted all of those years
And nothing had the chance to be good
Cause nothing ever could oh yeah

I'll keep holding on
Holding, holding, holding

That's all I have today
It's all I have to say

Artist(Band):Simply Red.

When I fattened up, I aSSumed that I must pay a penance for my
indiscretions. But I never ate breakfast,  not much for lunch, I owned
gyms, trained athletes. And each year I put on another 1/2 pound a
month, in five years I was obese.

Oh, Mu was conditioned for this, I was inherently faulted. Time to diet,
track, expend penance, Mu bad, Mu pay, Mu..........

Mu got wise.  
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After four months and being an American in Taipei I never want to hear
“Oh your koala very cute” ever again. If there is an off chance that if
I do encounter a koala, I may have to punch it in the face as a result.
Even a pretty koala looks ugly with a broken nose.

rudder95@hotmail.com - 21 Apr 2007 19:55 GMT
> I did once weigh over 250 pounds.
>
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>
> - Show quoted text -

So your basic assumption is that there is only one way to lose weight,
and that is by eating the exact same thing every day?  I'm married
with one child, and one on the way, so I cannot expect my family to
eat the same thing every day just because I'm trying to lose a few
pounds.  I track my calories so that I can see trends in energy and
weight loss/gain, as well as macronutrient intake.  If I get more
carbs one week, maybe my weight goes up a pound.  If I get more
protein one week, maybe my runtime is increased, but I lose weight.

I don't know what picture you are getting in your head of people that
track calories, but I'm 6'3'', 228, in the military, and I work out
and run regularly.  As the saying goes, there is more than one way to
skin a cat, and that's great that eating the same thing day in and day
out works for you, but don't assume that everyone looking to lose some
weight needs to follow your program or otherwise be doomed to failure.
Mu - 22 Apr 2007 06:59 GMT
> So your basic assumption is that there is only one way to lose weight,
> and that is by eating the exact same thing every day?  I'm married
> with one child, and one on the way, so I cannot expect my family to
> eat the same thing every day just because I'm trying to lose a few
> pounds.  

No one in this thread has asserted anything such.

> I track my calories so that I can see trends in energy and
> weight loss/gain, as well as macronutrient intake.  If I get more
> carbs one week, maybe my weight goes up a pound.  If I get more
> protein one week, maybe my runtime is increased, but I lose weight.

Enjoy your adventure and obsession with food.

> I don't know what picture you are getting in your head of people that
> track calories, but I'm 6'3'', 228, in the military,

So?

> and I work out
> and run regularly.

Meaning what?

>  As the saying goes, there is more than one way to
> skin a cat..

There is only one way to permanently skin the obese cat.

Eat less, track little, move on.

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After four months and being an American in Taipei I never want to hear
“Oh your koala very cute” ever again. If there is an off chance that if
I do encounter a koala, I may have to punch it in the face as a result.
Even a pretty koala looks ugly with a broken nose.

Cubit - 30 Apr 2007 18:17 GMT
Calorie counting is a feedback system that works.  Unfortunately, it appears
that this needs to be a permanent way-of-life.

>> >>> Perhaps some folk need to track to find just that very thing out? Or
>> >>> to find if they are, in fact, consuming too few calories.
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> resemble each other and the weeks became nearly identical. So I
> stopped.
Mu - 02 May 2007 17:42 GMT
> Calorie counting is a feedback system that works.  Unfortunately, it appears
> that this needs to be a permanent way-of-life.

Dear Cubit,

Saying calorie counting is a feedback system that works is like saying
the Iraqi people are enjoying victory. Although it may have worked for
you, the Truth is it has not worked for most. The numbers of people who
have failed to lose and/or keep off weight using calorie counting is
overwhelming majority and I don't mean 50.0005% either.

Then we have the "unfortunates" who, having relied on cal counting, are
now stuck with it. In Truth, they are not but having set their way
erroneously in the first place, they feel that they cannot alter course
or the fragile balance of weight control may be lost.

The "unfortunates" remind me of the old saying about blind squirrels and
acorns, statistically, of course.

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Kaz Kylheku - 18 Apr 2007 19:29 GMT
> > On Apr 16, 7:12 pm, bravodelt...@comcast.net wrote:
> >> Are there any favorite diet/food-tracker programs out there?
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>
> Perhaps some folk need to track to find just that very thing out?

Right, because the scale, reflection in the mirror, and the last visit
to the doctor aren't enough to tell them that they are stuffing that
face with just a little too much enthusiasm.

> to find if they are, in fact, consuming too few calories.

And you suspect that this might be you?

If you were consuming too few calories, it would certainly be very
easy to remember what you ate all day long, and calculate the calories
and nutrient breakdown in your head.

You don't think you could tell that you are taking in too few calories
from how you feel?

I know exactly when my carbohydrate stores are running low.
Sean - 18 Apr 2007 23:12 GMT
> I know exactly when my carbohydrate stores are running low.

That's funny. Walking for 30 minutes will deplete your carbohydrate
stores in your leg muscles, I walk for an hour a day, and I don't feel
any change as the 30 minute mark goes by. I think what you are
actually feeling is your blood sugar getting low (and making you
hungry). Otherwise, go to the university hospital and let them study
you, since you are not like the rest of us.

Tracking the food you eat is the best way to know for sure. That way
there's no forgetting, which is something that we all can do.

Sean
joanne - 18 Apr 2007 03:50 GMT
> On Apr 16, 7:12 pm, bravodelt...@comcast.net wrote:
>  > Are there any favorite diet/food-tracker programs out there?
>
> If you need a computer to track your eating, you're doing way too much
> of it. Doh!

Not at all.
Tracking your food intake with a computer program gives you detailed
info on nutrient breakdown/ratios, not just portion/calorie info.
Knowing how many proteins/carbs (fiber)/fats/kinds of fats and other
details are great for increasing your knowledge about foods so you can
make good choices to eat healthier.

joanne
Cynthia P - 18 Apr 2007 07:11 GMT
>> On Apr 16, 7:12 pm, bravodelt...@comcast.net wrote:
>>  > Are there any favorite diet/food-tracker programs out there?
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> details are great for increasing your knowledge about foods so you can
> make good choices to eat healthier.

Yep. I so agree! One may be eating just the right number of calories
and still find tracking useful. I like seeing an easy graph of where
my macronutrients are, and I like being able to look at things like my
mineral/vitamin intake.

Plus, in the software I use, I can also easily track and see how much
water I've drunk in a day.

It's certainly easier for me to quick select a food, type an amount
and add it to my log than it would be to track it without software.

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Steve - 22 Apr 2007 19:22 GMT
On Apr 16, 10:12 pm, bravodelt...@comcast.net wrote:
> Are there any favorite diet/food-tracker programs out there?

I follow the Hacker's Diet ( calorie counting with great feed back and
reports ).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hacker%27s_diet

If you go to the bottom of the article quoted above you will get the
link to the Hacker's Diet site.   The tools are in microsoft Excel and
Palm OS,  both free of charge.

To get calorie counts I use this free link:
http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/search/

I haven't found anything more convenient to use as a food log than a
small 1 subject spiral notebook from the drugstore.   I don't have to
turn anything on,  I don't have to log in,  it is portable,  requires
no power source, can be recycled for free and it can even be dropped
off of a building into a puddle and it will still function.   Cost,
one dollar and change.

I reserve the first few pages for space to write calorie counts in
whenever I look them up.  Since my diet isn't that exotic after about
a week I don't need to look anything up.

I use this site to record my daily weighings, as it uses the Hacker's
diet princiapal. Free and advertisement free:

http://www.physicsdiet.com
 
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