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Weight Loss Forum / General Topics / May 2007Whey vs. Soy -- You've Been Tricked
Is protein all the same? What does all the jargon mean? What is the best source of protein? Whey vs. Soy -- You've Been Tricked http://www.timinvermont.com/fitness/soyvswhy.htm > Is protein all the same? What does all the jargon mean? What is the > best source of protein? > > Whey vs. Soy -- You've Been Tricked > > http://www.timinvermont.com/fitness/soyvswhy.htm Soy makes me fart. Whey doesn't. ;-)  SignaturePeace, Om Remove _ to validate e-mails. "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch" -- Jack Nicholson > Whey vs. Soy -- You've Been Tricked SOY! SOY! SOY! Soy makes you strong! Strength crushes enemies! SOY! tom SignatureMiscellaneous Terrorists: Ducks | Bird Flu | Avian flu | Jimbo Wales | Backstreet Boys | The Al Queda Network | Tesco -- Uncyclopedia >> Whey vs. Soy -- You've Been Tricked > > SOY! SOY! SOY! Soy makes you strong! Strength crushes enemies! SOY! > > tom Soy slows down your thyroid. http://thyroid.about.com/b/a/073380.htm soy makes you gay http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53327 soy also contains phytoestrogens and high levels of phytic acid. Phytic acid will prevent minerals from being absorbed. Please don't eat soy. Unless it is fermented. And even then only in small amounts. On May 17, 3:43 pm, "toot...@sbcglobal.net" <toot...@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > >> Whey vs. Soy -- You've Been Tricked > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > soy makes you gayhttp://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53327 > soy also contains phytoestrogens and high levels of phytic acid. > Phytic acid will prevent minerals from being absorbed. Please don't > eat soy. Unless it is fermented. And even then only in small amounts. What? No marinated tofu in my stir fry's or egg drop soups? Perish the thought. ;-) SignaturePeace, Om Remove _ to validate e-mails. "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch" -- Jack Nicholson > Is protein all the same? No. Soy is inferior to whey in almsot every respect. SignatureWill @ www.BrinkZone.com "It twas ever thus! " - Mr Natural > Is protein all the same? "No. Soy is inferior to whey in almsot every respect." Then you didn't read the article, the proper comparison is not protein to protein but isolate to isolate of the protein products. They are different but "better" depends on what measure of what one uses for what goal. He goes into considerable detail on the topic. > > Is protein all the same? > > "No. Soy is inferior to whey in almsot every respect." > > Then you didn't read the article, I dont have to. I know more about the topic than the author ever will and have written and published more on the topic than the author ever will. > the proper comparison is not protein > to protein but isolate to isolate of the protein products. That makes no sense and exposes the ignorance of the person who said it (you?). > They are > different but "better" depends on what measure of what one uses for what > goal. Pretty much any goal you can name, whey is superior, unless your goal is to get phyto estrogens into your diet, which is fine, if that's what you want. I am not an anti soy zealot but facts is facts. > He goes into considerable detail on the topic. Most of which are all wrong ad it's clear the author sells soy. SignatureWill @ www.BrinkZone.com "It twas ever thus! " - Mr Natural On May 16, 7:45 pm, far...@barnyard.com wrote: > Is protein all the same? What does all the jargon mean? What is the > best source of protein? > > Whey vs. Soy -- You've Been Tricked > > http://www.timinvermont.com/fitness/soyvswhy.htm Neither is ideal by any stretch of the imagination. Eat proteins from real whole foods, not processed and refined (denatured) proteins. And soy is not real food. It has only been traditionally eaten as a fermented condiment. That is fermented and in small amounts for flavoring. Without fermentation you will be exposed to excessive amounts of phyto-toxins and phyto-hormones. Unfermented soy is a low- grade poison. > On May 16, 7:45 pm, far...@barnyard.com wrote: > > Is protein all the same? What does all the jargon mean? What is the [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > amounts of phyto-toxins and phyto-hormones. Unfermented soy is a low- > grade poison. Ok, I'll agree with that one. Same goes for unfermented dairy products (except for whey protein isolates). IMHO cottage cheese, yogurt and hard cheeses are better for you than even raw milk. Sorry, no sites to prove that. Just comes from many years of experience for what agrees with most people's digestive systems. Symbiotic bacteria are a good thing. :-) SignaturePeace, Om Remove _ to validate e-mails. "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch" -- Jack Nicholson > Symbiotic bacteria are a good thing. :-) I tried, several times over the years, to take "probiotic" capsules and all they ever did was give me an upset stomach, but lately I've been getting some live, ethnic-type yogurt almost every day and I like it. I couldn't quantify what it's done for me except that I feel better - a bit more energy, a bit less sleepy in the evenings, and I think a bit less hungry overall as well. This is the stuff I have mostly: http://www.amazon.com/Fage-Total-Plain-Yoghurt-18/dp/B00032K91A although we just buy it in the store, not through amazon.com - either that or some Greek yogurt from Trader Joe's. The former tastes great with maple syrup added, and in the latter honey and walnuts, which is the way we had it when we were in Greece. -S- http://www.kbnj.com > > Symbiotic bacteria are a good thing. :-) > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > bit more energy, a bit less sleepy in the evenings, and I think a bit > less hungry overall as well. The fascinating thing about humans is how everybody's body chemistry varies. I'm glad you found something that worked for you. Me? I just take PB-8 and skip the Lactose sugars in most dairy products. Granted, I adore cheese, but I use it in limited quantities: http://www.sweetmedicineessentials.com/product/216553 I can get it at more than one local health food store and I can't help but think that a balanced mix of probiotic critters is better than just Lactobacillus acidophilus. > This is the stuff I have mostly: > > http://www.amazon.com/Fage-Total-Plain-Yoghurt-18/dp/B00032K91A Looks good, but I've never seen it here. > although we just buy it in the store, not through amazon.com - either > that or some Greek yogurt from Trader Joe's. The former tastes great [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > -S- > http://www.kbnj.com SignaturePeace, Om Remove _ to validate e-mails. "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch" -- Jack Nicholson >> > Symbiotic bacteria are a good thing. :-) >> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > I just take PB-8 and skip the Lactose sugars in most dairy products. I may well be addicated to dairy products. :) I'm fond of eating fresh mozarella cheese all by itself - who needs the bread and tomatoe sauce, anyway? > Granted, I adore cheese, but I use it in limited quantities: > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > just > Lactobacillus acidophilus. -snip- I guess the question is whether a mix from a pill is better than whatever's in some real food. My "solution" is to keep trying different brands of yogurts. I think, these days, at least some manufacturers attempt to get a few different good bugs running around in their yogurts. Kefir seems to get good press - will have to try some of that sometime soon. -S- http://www.kbnj.com > > I just take PB-8 and skip the Lactose sugars in most dairy products. > > I may well be addicated to dairy products. :) I'm fond of eating fresh > mozarella cheese all by itself - who needs the bread and tomatoe sauce, > anyway? Cheese heads string cheese rulz. ;-) Cheese is one thing I really like and try to limit my intake. It's especially good melted over steamed veggies. > > Granted, I adore cheese, but I use it in limited quantities: > > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > -S- Seems that different manufacturers do use different strains so by switching around, you are getting a more balanced flora, or so I'd think? SignaturePeace, Om Remove _ to validate e-mails. "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch" -- Jack Nicholson >On May 16, 7:45 pm, far...@barnyard.com wrote: >> Is protein all the same? What does all the jargon mean? What is the [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >amounts of phyto-toxins and phyto-hormones. Unfermented soy is a low- >grade poison. I hate it when this stuff gets cross-posted from sci.med.natural-food-dingbats. > >On May 16, 7:45 pm, far...@barnyard.com wrote: > >> Is protein all the same? What does all the jargon mean? What is the [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > - Show quoted text - How about from common-sense.nutrition ? >>On May 16, 7:45 pm, far...@barnyard.com wrote: >>> Is protein all the same? What does all the jargon mean? What is [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > I hate it when this stuff gets cross-posted from > sci.med.natural-food-dingbats. I hadn't even noticed - I thought it was just us mfw'ers. In the interest of mfw-relevant content, my workout today. Brief background - focus of this cycle and the few before and after is better performance at the 32 kg kettlebell snatch. M/W/F, that's what I do, but since today is Thursday, it was "whatever I'm in the mood for" day. Here you go: 32 kg: one-arm (of course) military press, 5 sets of 2 each side 32 kg: windmill, 1 set of 3 each side Superset: bw + 24 kg: pullup to touch throat, 3 reps - with - bw + 16 kg: pistol, 3 each side Superset: same as above but 5 reps instead of 3. And there you have it. Equipment: one each 16, 24, and 32 kg kettlebells. Pullup bar was an Oly bar bungeed to the top of my power rack - thicker so a bit better grip training. Age: 52 years, bodyweight this morning: 69.5 kg. -S- http://www.kbnj.com > On May 16, 7:45 pm, far...@barnyard.com wrote: > > Is protein all the same? What does all the jargon mean? What is the [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Neither is ideal by any stretch of the imagination. There is no 'ideal' protein >Eat proteins from > real whole foods, not processed and refined (denatured) proteins. Whey is not denatured if produced correctly and offers some benefits that can't be had with other proteins. Do I need to keep repeating that over and over? SignatureWill @ www.BrinkZone.com "It twas ever thus! " - Mr Natural >> On May 16, 7:45 pm, far...@barnyard.com wrote: >>> Is protein all the same? What does all the jargon mean? What is the [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > can't be had with other proteins. Do I need to keep repeating that over > and over? Soy makes people gay http://www.the7thfire.com/health_and_nutrition/manhood.html http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53327 > > On May 16, 7:45 pm, far...@barnyard.com wrote: > > > Is protein all the same? What does all the jargon mean? What is the [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > There is no 'ideal' protein I dunno. I consider a good, thick "Q'ed" t-bone of local angus beef darn near ideal. :^) SignatureKeith In article <khobman800-A5FCC9.14445317052007@sn-ip.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net>, > > > On May 16, 7:45 pm, far...@barnyard.com wrote: > > > > Is protein all the same? What does all the jargon mean? What is the [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > :^) Seconded, but IMHO Rib-eye is a better cut. <G> Rare. SignaturePeace, Om Remove _ to validate e-mails. "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch" -- Jack Nicholson >> On May 16, 7:45 pm, far...@barnyard.com wrote: >> > Is protein all the same? What does all the jargon mean? What is the [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > that can't be had with other proteins. Do I need to keep repeating > that over and over? Apparently you do. Just so you know I certainly appreciate it. I simply read the dingbat post and respond to it in my head, and then read your response to see how well I did. It's like a self-grading protein quiz. Jason > >> On May 16, 7:45 pm, far...@barnyard.com wrote: > >> > Is protein all the same? What does all the jargon mean? What is the [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > It's like a self-grading protein quiz. Just as long as the voices in your head don't give you the wrong answers, it's all good. > Jason SignatureWill @ www.BrinkZone.com "It twas ever thus! " - Mr Natural > > far...@barnyard.com wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > There is no 'ideal' protein You missed the old advertising campaign "Eggs - Nature's most nearly perfect food" > > > far...@barnyard.com wrote: > > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > You missed the old advertising campaign > "Eggs - Nature's most nearly perfect food" I didn't miss it actually. Didn't miss the "pork, the new white meat" campaign either, but that don't make it right :-) SignatureWill @ www.BrinkZone.com "It twas ever thus! " - Mr Natural On May 16, 7:45 pm, far...@barnyard.com wrote: > Is protein all the same? What does all the jargon mean? What is the > best source of protein? It's a complicated issue because there are several essential amino acids (EAA) which occur in different ratios in protein sources. It may pay to have a mixture of proteins to get a better EAA balance. See http://www.fao.org/DOCREP/MEETING/004/M2835E/M2835E00.HTM -- Ron > On May 16, 7:45 pm, far...@barnyard.com wrote: > > Is protein all the same? What does all the jargon mean? What is the [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > -- > Ron Beef! It's what's for dinner. ;-d Hunka cow grilled: http://tinypic.com/2qw3589.jpg Hunka cow sliced: http://tinypic.com/4g7csi0.jpg SignaturePeace, Om Remove _ to validate e-mails. "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch" -- Jack Nicholson Do not forget the fact that the soluble whey proteins are the allergenic component in dairy products. It is also interesting that cheese has a relatively low level of these allergenic proteins. With the increasing use of the soluble whey proteins in food formulations I think we can expect a very significant increase in food allergys. Bob M On May 17, 12:45 pm, far...@barnyard.com wrote: > Is protein all the same? What does all the jargon mean? What is the > best source of protein? > > Whey vs. Soy -- You've Been Tricked > > http://www.timinvermont.com/fitness/soyvswhy.htm |
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