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Lose More Calories When Cold??
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Prisoner at War - 18 May 2007 13:03 GMT I've always attributed my ability to eat whatever I want without gaining weight to, among other things, personally enjoying cold weather, such that I walk around outside in fifty degree weather wearing shorts and a tee shirt!
My thinking is that the cold makes my body burn calories to keep itself warm...but I've recently started wondering, hey, doesn't the cold also signal to the body to try to accumulate as much fat as possible -- since it expects to be continually cold?? (Kinda like what is said to happen when the body perceives it's in a calorie- deficit.)
So which is it...does the body burn more calories when cold, or does being continually cold promote greater fat retention, or both, or neither??
Sir Jackery - 18 May 2007 16:24 GMT > I've always attributed my ability to eat whatever I want without > gaining weight to, among other things, personally enjoying cold [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > being continually cold promote greater fat retention, or both, or > neither?? Chemical thermodynamics says the body must burn more calories when exposed to colder conditions. Extreme cold conditions cause the body to burn a huge number of calories to keep warm. I don't believe fat retention has anything to do with cold weather; that would show a psychological relation between tissue catabolism and anabolism.
That's my 2 cents (-:
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bae@cs.toronto.no-uce.edu - 19 May 2007 03:30 GMT >I've always attributed my ability to eat whatever I want without >gaining weight to, among other things, personally enjoying cold >weather, such that I walk around outside in fifty degree weather >wearing shorts and a tee shirt! You may have a higher metabolic rate than most people. This can be associated with hyperthyroidism, which can have undesirable consequences further down the line. Get your thyroid tested some time just in case.
>My thinking is that the cold makes my body burn calories to keep >itself warm...but I've recently started wondering, hey, doesn't the >cold also signal to the body to try to accumulate as much fat as >possible -- since it expects to be continually cold?? (Kinda like >what is said to happen when the body perceives it's in a calorie- >deficit.) Dunno. Good question. I doubt there's a good answer.
>So which is it...does the body burn more calories when cold, or does >being continually cold promote greater fat retention, or both, or >neither?? AFAIK, you don't burn more calories in the cold unless you start shivering, or are motivated to be more active (e.g. moving around stamping your feet, walking/running faster, working harder, etc) to keep warm.
In general, seasonal adaptation to cold in animals is triggered by day length, which causes mammals to fatten up, grow thicker coats, etc. Some people develop carbohydrate cravings and put on weight in the fall especially if exposed to natural day lengths.
On a shorter term basis, subjective cold tolerance can be improved by continuous cold exposure, i.e. if you keep the thermostat way down, the cold outdoors won't bother you as much as if you keep it cranked up. Someone did a study once that showed that sleeping in cold air (with enough blankets to be comfortable) had a rapid and remarkable effect on subjective cold tolerance.
Cynthia P - 19 May 2007 21:40 GMT > I've always attributed my ability to eat whatever I want without > gaining weight to, among other things, personally enjoying cold [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > being continually cold promote greater fat retention, or both, or > neither?? My husband is obese... and is very tolerant of cold weather. Anyone willing to go out and shovel snow in what is -50F conditions (includes wind chill factor) is cold tolerant in my book!
The funny part is, I am from SE Texas... 90F/90% humidity, and am therefore NOT especially cold tolerant, even though I also am obese. When I moved to the Bay Area, CA, I was often cold at first, but I got used to it.
However, after moving to North Dakota, one gets acclimated fairly quickly to some rather extreme cold conditions. When you are used to going around in -29F to 0F days in the regular ND winter, when it occasionally gets to a nice toasty 30F, you will go out and chip ice in a T-shirt, no problem! Been there, done that!
Anyway, I didn't magically become thin up there, though the winters were long and cold!
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Prisoner at War - 21 May 2007 18:44 GMT > My husband is obese... and is very tolerant of cold weather. Anyone > willing to go out and shovel snow in what is -50F conditions (includes > wind chill factor) is cold tolerant in my book! Actually, I enjoy shoveling snow myself. And it makes you very hot, so it actually doesn't feel cold out by comparison!
> The funny part is, I am from SE Texas... 90F/90% humidity, and am > therefore NOT especially cold tolerant, even though I also am obese. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Anyway, I didn't magically become thin up there, though the winters > were long and cold! Hmmm. I guess it's just all in my head, then!
> -- > Cynthia > 262/243/152 dkw12002@yahoo.com - 19 May 2007 22:53 GMT > I've always attributed my ability to eat whatever I want without > gaining weight to, among other things, personally enjoying cold [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > being continually cold promote greater fat retention, or both, or > neither?? The answer is that you burn more calories in cold weather. Also, drinking cold calorie-free drinks gives you negative calories, (as many as 11 negative calories per 8 oz), just to warm up your insides from the cold drink. That doesn't include the hyperactivity from the caffeine that adds more negative calories.
This is less controversial than say negative calories from the "low- calorie" foods like lettuce, raddishes and lettuce, which, as complex carbs with very low calorie, require the body to expend MORE energy than is in the food just to try and digest it.
Then you have fiber. Fiber is by definition NOT digestible. Therefore, even though it is a carb, unlike cows, goats, deer, etc., we cannot break it down, so the potential calories cannot be realized.
The solution to all our weight problems therefore is to eat lots and lots of cold celery because it is cold, fibrous, and a complex carb. Be sure to wash it down with lots of Diet Coke or espresso, just to make sure.....better stay close to a bathroom though. dkw
XXXXgizzieXXXX - 20 May 2007 18:23 GMT > The solution to all our weight problems therefore is to eat lots and > lots of cold celery because it is cold, fibrous, and a complex carb. > Be sure to wash it down with lots of Diet Coke or espresso, just to > make sure.....better stay close to a bathroom though. dkw :-D
Actually, a bowl of Fiber One doused with icey cold cherry coke zero would probably be quite good....
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dkw12002@yahoo.com - 21 May 2007 01:27 GMT > <dkw12...@yahoo.com> wrote > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > XXXXXXgizzieXXXXXX > (223/170/120) Eeewwwww! What a combination. I do like both, but not together. dkw
XXXXgizzieXXXX - 21 May 2007 04:16 GMT >> Actually, a bowl of Fiber One doused with icey cold cherry coke zero >> would probably be quite good.... XXXXXXXgizzieXXXXXXXX
> Eeewwwww! What a combination. I do like both, but not together. dkw I mix some wierd things together. I made a magic bullet a few weeks ago with green tea, strawberries and flax seed. It looked like mud and tasted like.....mud. I do not recomend it.
Now, brown rice and mandarin oranges?? THAT is good (and was dinner tonight)
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Prisoner at War - 21 May 2007 18:41 GMT Heh, well, that's one way to lose weight: weird foods!
Willow Herself - 20 May 2007 02:55 GMT Unless you're cold enough to be shivering, you ain't burning much more calories... and if you're cold enough to be shivering, to make it worth weight loss, you're risking hypothermia... ain't nothing to laugh about.
I'm Canadian.. and believe me... there aren't much more skinny people up there than there are down here!
The Inuits will eat a very fatty diet to "keep warm"... cause the fat help them keep warm.. but I don't think the body "retain fat" significantly without dietary help.. if so, they wouldn't have to eat more before winter comes..
Will~
> I've always attributed my ability to eat whatever I want without > gaining weight to, among other things, personally enjoying cold [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > being continually cold promote greater fat retention, or both, or > neither?? Prisoner at War - 21 May 2007 18:33 GMT On May 19, 9:55 pm, "Willow Herself" <willowki...@somethingkikeseamountains.net> wrote:
> Unless you're cold enough to be shivering, you ain't burning much more > calories... and if you're cold enough to be shivering, to make it worth > weight loss, you're risking hypothermia... ain't nothing to laugh about. Hmm, I was not aware it took outright shivering to make a difference; good point, if that's a fact!
> I'm Canadian.. and believe me... there aren't much more skinny people up > there than there are down here! [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > without dietary help.. if so, they wouldn't have to eat more before winter > comes.. Ah, I wasn't aware of that, either. Very interesting lifetstyles up there!
So there's really no way to lose fat other than to actually diet and/ or exercise. Oh well!
> Will~
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