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James - 14 Jul 2007 07:41 GMT
It is said that exercising helps lose weight.

But if I exercise a lot, the body would notice that calories is being spent
and would make me want to eat more to compensate. How could this help me
lose weight?

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em - 14 Jul 2007 08:10 GMT
> It is said that exercising helps lose weight.

Only if you don't eat more. Even then, exercise doesn't burn that many
calories. Nice excuse, though ;-)
determined - 14 Jul 2007 16:14 GMT
>> It is said that exercising helps lose weight.
>
> Only if you don't eat more. Even then, exercise doesn't burn that many
> calories. Nice excuse, though ;-)

What?  Exercise doesn't burn that many calories???  How do you figure?  It
burns at least 5 x the number of calories it does at rest.  Lately I burn
about 3000-5000 calories a week in exercise.  That's alot.

It's true though, that what you are putting in your mouth is the biggest
issue, but exercise is KEY.
em - 14 Jul 2007 17:41 GMT
>>> It is said that exercising helps lose weight.
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> burns at least 5 x the number of calories it does at rest.  Lately I burn
> about 3000-5000 calories a week in exercise.  That's alot.

That is exceptional. Most people, especially beginners, don't burn a third
of that.

> It's true though, that what you are putting in your mouth is the biggest
> issue, but exercise is KEY.

It depends upon to which level you take the exercise. IMO.
determined - 15 Jul 2007 00:32 GMT
>>>> It is said that exercising helps lose weight.
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> That is exceptional. Most people, especially beginners, don't burn a third
> of that.

How can you generalize what "most beginners" do?  How hard is it to walk
30-60 minutes 5 times a week?  That requires very little effort, and easily
burns 2000-3000 calories.
LFM - 17 Jul 2007 01:55 GMT
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For me, an hour of exercise is equivilant to 300 - 600 cals based on
intensity.  Of course at the 600 range I'm also keeping my heart rate
elevated up over 160bpm for the majority of the time, which actually
may not be very healthy for the heart to work that hard for that
long.    Anyway - your average beginner really might only exercise 3
times a week, so take the lower level of 300/hr x 3 times a week and
that's only about 900 cals per week.   Really not alot.

2000 - 3000 takes a great deal of effort and for me, if I can average
500 cals in exercise a day, that would require me to work out at high
intensity levels 6 times a week.  Doable - certainly yes because I'll
make the time - but certainly not something your average beginner is
going to do.   And for those who "walk" for exercise, this is
certainly not the case at all.
determined - 17 Jul 2007 14:54 GMT
>> >>>> It is said that exercising helps lose weight.
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> going to do.   And for those who "walk" for exercise, this is
> certainly not the case at all.

I was thinking that, for someone who was pretty out of shape, they would
probably elevate their heart rate much higher just by walking than someone
who was fitter.  Probably an overestimate though.  I just know that what
used to really get my heart pumping doesn't anymore, and it is harder and
harder for me to burn that many calories in less time, but in the beginning,
everything made my heart rate go up.

It's hard to downplay the importance of exercise though.  Without it, I have
to eat like a bird to maintain.
LFM - 17 Jul 2007 23:50 GMT
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> It's hard to downplay the importance of exercise though.  Without it, I
> have to eat like a bird to maintain.

With the amount of exercise you are able to get, and the fact that you enjoy
it so much now, you have the liberty of eating like a fiend.   But remember,
the average person doesn't have those luxuries.    Where I might get one
(and on rare occasions two) days on the weekend where I can perform exercise
that burns upwards of 1000 calories per session, during the week I can only
average 300 to 500.

I do know that over time my heart rate also doesn't get up as high - but I
also know from working out with people of all shapes and sizes, that I'm one
of those more rare people who could get their heart rate high and maintain
it that way.   Although where a few months ago there wasn't a problem
getting up to and maintaining heart rates in the 180's or 190's now if I
even get up into the 170's my whole body wants to shut down.  Its harder to
get that high and I certainly don't want to maintain that.    While I was
doing the bootcamp stuff, I know the heavier folks didn't run, they walked
and although they may get their heart rate up, it was no where near the
level of those who were running.  (based on class averages that were taken).

Granted, if you take an obese 200lb woman working out and walking vs. my
running even at a higher heart rate, she probably burned more calories than
I did based merely on the fact that its taking so much more for her body to
work at it than me.   But I think those folks only burned about 700 per
session where I averaged 400.  Still doesn't make for
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determined - 14 Jul 2007 16:16 GMT
> It is said that exercising helps lose weight.
>
> But if I exercise a lot, the body would notice that calories is being
> spent and would make me want to eat more to compensate. How could this
> help me lose weight?

Exercise doesn't have to increase your appetite.  You get used to it.  I
could maintain my weight with no exercise at 1600 calories a day.  I
regularly burn 500-1000 calories per day in exercise, and eat very little
more than 1600.  I don't feel hungry.  I believe the quality of the food you
put in has a lot to do with how satisfied you feel on less calories.  I'm
pretty careful to get adequate fiber, fresh fruits and veggies, lean
proteins, and healthy fats.
Kaz Kylheku - 16 Jul 2007 09:27 GMT
> > It is said that exercising helps lose weight.
>
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>
> Exercise doesn't have to increase your appetite.

Exercise can increase appetite and it can suppress it also. You will
find with experience that certain types of workout do one, and others
do the other.

In my case, I don't feel like eating at all after 20 mile runs. Lunch
generally goes out the window, and dinner is light. I feel the need
for calories in my body and do eat something, but just have no
appetite for it. Interval training also kills my appetite, or, at
worst, doesn't increase it. It's hard to think about food when you're
practically throwing up! :) I think that the intermediate runs of 8
miles or so are the appetite-increasers for me.

> You get used to it.  I
> could maintain my weight with no exercise at 1600 calories a day. I
> regularly burn 500-1000 calories per day in exercise, and eat very little
> more than 1600.

Well, let's see, probably a good half of that 500 to 1000 is from fat,
which your body doesn't miss, so you only have to refuel 250-500.

And then if you optimally allocate the calories within that 1600, you
can probably stretch it to cover the rest.

Those standardized maintenance figures based on weight (like the ones
recommended by the USDA dietary guidelines) are computed based on the
assumption that people eat a whackload of fat. I.e. the figures are
effectively padded to cover what smarter people recognize as
overindulgence in empty calories that can just be dropped straight.

E.g. a 1600 calorie maitenance diet which contains a 30% fat allowance
can drop 20% fat to become a 1280 calorie diet containing 12% fat. If
you aren't hungry on one, you shouldn't be on the other. Now add
exercise, and put back lean calories into it (squarely in that 250-500
range) to make it 1600 again. Makes sense.

> I don't feel hungry.  I believe the quality of the food you
> put in has a lot to do with how satisfied you feel on less calories.  I'm
> pretty careful to get adequate fiber, fresh fruits and veggies, lean
> proteins, and healthy fats.

There you go.

Oh yeah, and on the subject of protein: if I don't get enough, I begin
to suffer from a kind of weakness which resembles hypoglycemia. I
become ravenously hungry and develop a tendency to stuff myself with
carbs. Trouble is, no quantity of them fixes the problem!

This happened once when I returned to a full running volume after
recovering from a marathon, but forgot to return to the full protein
supplementation. Suddenly I found myself eating much more than during
marathon training! Recognizing what's going on, I increased my protein
intake and cut back the carbs. Literally overnight, I experienced a
surge in endurance and a complete elimination of that persistent
weakness and hunger.

Nothing can happen in your body without protein. Never mind its role
in structure and movement; nearly every chemical reaction involves
some kind of enzyme, which is made up of protein.
LFM - 18 Jul 2007 02:23 GMT
>> > It is said that exercising helps lose weight.
>>
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> find with experience that certain types of workout do one, and others
> do the other.

Boy, can I relate to that...

If I workout in the mornings I'm famished all day and no matter what/how I
eat I'm still hungry.   The first hour or so after a workout I'm fine, but
give it two or three hours and that's when the hunger kicks in.  But if I
move my workouts to the evenings I skip dinner because of the workout, end
up drinking more water, come home from the workout and eat something very
light but still not very hungry and more interested in hydrating myself, so
I go to bed eating less.   And when I wake the next morning, I'm not really
any more hungry than usual.
bibiam@hotmail.com - 04 Aug 2007 19:13 GMT
Besides excersising we need to help our bodies with a healthy eating
habits. I had learn that when doing excersise especially with weights
we gain muscle mass that increases the weight in the scale but
decreases the inches in the abs. Also sometimes besides the exersise
we need to help ourt bodies with a good healthy plan and with vitamins
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Kaz Kylheku - 16 Jul 2007 08:50 GMT
> It is said that exercising helps lose weight.
>
> But if I exercise a lot, the body would notice that calories is being spent
> and would make me want to eat more to compensate. How could this help me
> lose weight?

Exercise can eliminate calories which are not balanced on the intake
side, for two reasons.

The first reason is that working muscles burn a mixture of fat and
carbohydrate. (The greater the intensity of exercise, the greater the
reliance on glucose: a note about that later.) Although both fat and
carbohydrate is burned, you replenish only the carbohydrate. The fat
comes from your existing stores and doesn't need to be replenished.
For this reason, you should eat a low-fat diet. How low? As low as
possible, ideally. If you eat enough fat to offset the body fat that
you burn in exercise and all other activity, you will not achieve fat
loss. Your body only needs a small quantity of essential fats from the
diet, and does not ``miss'' the fat that is burned.

The second reason exercise helps is that it creates a carbohydrate
deficit in your body. When you consume carbs after exercise,
particularly after strenuous exercise that severely depletes your
glycogen stores, the carbohydrates go toward refueling that depleted
store. Your muscles essentially gobble up circulating blood glucose.
If you were to eat the same meals when not in a depleted state (like
perhaps before exercise rather than after), you would be overeating
and thus generating new body fat. The generation of body fat from
carbs is partially a dead-end pathway: premium fuel is being
downgraded into second rate fuel which cannot be converted back into
premium fuel. It's like using cash to purchase some non-liquid long-
term asset. And so you have to consume more carbs the next time you
need that premium fuel, just like the way you have to raise new cash
somehow to pay your bills if you tied up existing cash in some assets
that can't be easily liquidated.  Here is where the intensity of
exercise helps: although intense exercise burns more carbs and less
fat, it helps create a greater depletion which in turn means you can
eat more, yet avoid storing new fat. Intense exercise also burns more
energy per unit time. (Intense exercise also supposedly ``revs up''
the metabolism for a period of time, so that your body uses more
energy for some time after the exercise, for supposedly as long as
several hours. I suspect that this effect is overrated.)

Then there is also a whole different effect that comes into play. If
you commit yourself to becoming an athlete, and work up to a high
training volume, and stick with it week after week for years, your
body will change in many ways, with one of the results being that you
can quite easily stay lean. That's not to mention the health benefits.

Another thing to consider is that since exercise creates a greater
demand for energy in your body, you can obtain a lot more nutrients,
provided that you eat quality food. The greater need for protein and
carbs creates the opportunities to eat a larger volume of healthy
foods which are rich in nutrients without overeating. If diet without
exercising, you can't eat as much, and so to get the nutrients, you
may have to rely on supplementation, or rely on it to a greater
extent.

What else? Oh yeah, resistance exercise. Builds and maintains muscle
mass, strength, coordination, bone density. Enough said.

So, in summary, don't give up on exercise! :)
Cubit - 18 Jul 2007 16:50 GMT
I have suspected that what you suggest is true.  It would make sense for the
body to refuel after an unusual moderate expenditure.  The examples where
exercise leads to weightloss seem to be extreme exercise, like in the stupid
TV show "Biggest Loser."

Sometimes the experts are adept at tuning out the obvious.

OK, here is something to chew on.  It is known that in a normal weight
person that maintains the same weight for a year, that the persons body has
unconsciously maintained calorie regulation within 1% of perfect balance.
This is commonly recognized as evidence of the body's regulation of eating
behavior.  However, humans have varying day-by-day caloric burn rates.
Activity changes.  Thus, the only way the body could have maintained the
same weight is by taking into account the expenditures from exercise.

> It is said that exercising helps lose weight.
>
> But if I exercise a lot, the body would notice that calories is being
> spent and would make me want to eat more to compensate. How could this
> help me lose weight?
 
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