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does exercising increase appetite?
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James - 14 Jul 2007 07:41 GMT It is said that exercising helps lose weight.
But if I exercise a lot, the body would notice that calories is being spent and would make me want to eat more to compensate. How could this help me lose weight?
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em - 14 Jul 2007 08:10 GMT > It is said that exercising helps lose weight. Only if you don't eat more. Even then, exercise doesn't burn that many calories. Nice excuse, though ;-)
determined - 14 Jul 2007 16:14 GMT >> It is said that exercising helps lose weight. > > Only if you don't eat more. Even then, exercise doesn't burn that many > calories. Nice excuse, though ;-) What? Exercise doesn't burn that many calories??? How do you figure? It burns at least 5 x the number of calories it does at rest. Lately I burn about 3000-5000 calories a week in exercise. That's alot.
It's true though, that what you are putting in your mouth is the biggest issue, but exercise is KEY.
em - 14 Jul 2007 17:41 GMT >>> It is said that exercising helps lose weight. >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > burns at least 5 x the number of calories it does at rest. Lately I burn > about 3000-5000 calories a week in exercise. That's alot. That is exceptional. Most people, especially beginners, don't burn a third of that.
> It's true though, that what you are putting in your mouth is the biggest > issue, but exercise is KEY. It depends upon to which level you take the exercise. IMO.
determined - 15 Jul 2007 00:32 GMT >>>> It is said that exercising helps lose weight. >>> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > That is exceptional. Most people, especially beginners, don't burn a third > of that. How can you generalize what "most beginners" do? How hard is it to walk 30-60 minutes 5 times a week? That requires very little effort, and easily burns 2000-3000 calories.
LFM - 17 Jul 2007 01:55 GMT > >>>> It is said that exercising helps lose weight. > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > - Show quoted text - For me, an hour of exercise is equivilant to 300 - 600 cals based on intensity. Of course at the 600 range I'm also keeping my heart rate elevated up over 160bpm for the majority of the time, which actually may not be very healthy for the heart to work that hard for that long. Anyway - your average beginner really might only exercise 3 times a week, so take the lower level of 300/hr x 3 times a week and that's only about 900 cals per week. Really not alot.
2000 - 3000 takes a great deal of effort and for me, if I can average 500 cals in exercise a day, that would require me to work out at high intensity levels 6 times a week. Doable - certainly yes because I'll make the time - but certainly not something your average beginner is going to do. And for those who "walk" for exercise, this is certainly not the case at all.
determined - 17 Jul 2007 14:54 GMT >> >>>> It is said that exercising helps lose weight. >> [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > going to do. And for those who "walk" for exercise, this is > certainly not the case at all. I was thinking that, for someone who was pretty out of shape, they would probably elevate their heart rate much higher just by walking than someone who was fitter. Probably an overestimate though. I just know that what used to really get my heart pumping doesn't anymore, and it is harder and harder for me to burn that many calories in less time, but in the beginning, everything made my heart rate go up.
It's hard to downplay the importance of exercise though. Without it, I have to eat like a bird to maintain.
LFM - 17 Jul 2007 23:50 GMT >> - Show quoted text - >> [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > It's hard to downplay the importance of exercise though. Without it, I > have to eat like a bird to maintain. With the amount of exercise you are able to get, and the fact that you enjoy it so much now, you have the liberty of eating like a fiend. But remember, the average person doesn't have those luxuries. Where I might get one (and on rare occasions two) days on the weekend where I can perform exercise that burns upwards of 1000 calories per session, during the week I can only average 300 to 500.
I do know that over time my heart rate also doesn't get up as high - but I also know from working out with people of all shapes and sizes, that I'm one of those more rare people who could get their heart rate high and maintain it that way. Although where a few months ago there wasn't a problem getting up to and maintaining heart rates in the 180's or 190's now if I even get up into the 170's my whole body wants to shut down. Its harder to get that high and I certainly don't want to maintain that. While I was doing the bootcamp stuff, I know the heavier folks didn't run, they walked and although they may get their heart rate up, it was no where near the level of those who were running. (based on class averages that were taken).
Granted, if you take an obese 200lb woman working out and walking vs. my running even at a higher heart rate, she probably burned more calories than I did based merely on the fact that its taking so much more for her body to work at it than me. But I think those folks only burned about 700 per session where I averaged 400. Still doesn't make for
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determined - 14 Jul 2007 16:16 GMT > It is said that exercising helps lose weight. > > But if I exercise a lot, the body would notice that calories is being > spent and would make me want to eat more to compensate. How could this > help me lose weight? Exercise doesn't have to increase your appetite. You get used to it. I could maintain my weight with no exercise at 1600 calories a day. I regularly burn 500-1000 calories per day in exercise, and eat very little more than 1600. I don't feel hungry. I believe the quality of the food you put in has a lot to do with how satisfied you feel on less calories. I'm pretty careful to get adequate fiber, fresh fruits and veggies, lean proteins, and healthy fats.
Kaz Kylheku - 16 Jul 2007 09:27 GMT > > It is said that exercising helps lose weight. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Exercise doesn't have to increase your appetite. Exercise can increase appetite and it can suppress it also. You will find with experience that certain types of workout do one, and others do the other.
In my case, I don't feel like eating at all after 20 mile runs. Lunch generally goes out the window, and dinner is light. I feel the need for calories in my body and do eat something, but just have no appetite for it. Interval training also kills my appetite, or, at worst, doesn't increase it. It's hard to think about food when you're practically throwing up! :) I think that the intermediate runs of 8 miles or so are the appetite-increasers for me.
> You get used to it. I > could maintain my weight with no exercise at 1600 calories a day. I > regularly burn 500-1000 calories per day in exercise, and eat very little > more than 1600. Well, let's see, probably a good half of that 500 to 1000 is from fat, which your body doesn't miss, so you only have to refuel 250-500.
And then if you optimally allocate the calories within that 1600, you can probably stretch it to cover the rest.
Those standardized maintenance figures based on weight (like the ones recommended by the USDA dietary guidelines) are computed based on the assumption that people eat a whackload of fat. I.e. the figures are effectively padded to cover what smarter people recognize as overindulgence in empty calories that can just be dropped straight.
E.g. a 1600 calorie maitenance diet which contains a 30% fat allowance can drop 20% fat to become a 1280 calorie diet containing 12% fat. If you aren't hungry on one, you shouldn't be on the other. Now add exercise, and put back lean calories into it (squarely in that 250-500 range) to make it 1600 again. Makes sense.
> I don't feel hungry. I believe the quality of the food you > put in has a lot to do with how satisfied you feel on less calories. I'm > pretty careful to get adequate fiber, fresh fruits and veggies, lean > proteins, and healthy fats. There you go.
Oh yeah, and on the subject of protein: if I don't get enough, I begin to suffer from a kind of weakness which resembles hypoglycemia. I become ravenously hungry and develop a tendency to stuff myself with carbs. Trouble is, no quantity of them fixes the problem!
This happened once when I returned to a full running volume after recovering from a marathon, but forgot to return to the full protein supplementation. Suddenly I found myself eating much more than during marathon training! Recognizing what's going on, I increased my protein intake and cut back the carbs. Literally overnight, I experienced a surge in endurance and a complete elimination of that persistent weakness and hunger.
Nothing can happen in your body without protein. Never mind its role in structure and movement; nearly every chemical reaction involves some kind of enzyme, which is made up of protein.
LFM - 18 Jul 2007 02:23 GMT >> > It is said that exercising helps lose weight. >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > find with experience that certain types of workout do one, and others > do the other. Boy, can I relate to that...
If I workout in the mornings I'm famished all day and no matter what/how I eat I'm still hungry. The first hour or so after a workout I'm fine, but give it two or three hours and that's when the hunger kicks in. But if I move my workouts to the evenings I skip dinner because of the workout, end up drinking more water, come home from the workout and eat something very light but still not very hungry and more interested in hydrating myself, so I go to bed eating less. And when I wake the next morning, I'm not really any more hungry than usual.
bibiam@hotmail.com - 04 Aug 2007 19:13 GMT Besides excersising we need to help our bodies with a healthy eating habits. I had learn that when doing excersise especially with weights we gain muscle mass that increases the weight in the scale but decreases the inches in the abs. Also sometimes besides the exersise we need to help ourt bodies with a good healthy plan and with vitamins B (B6, B12 etc) that increases the metabolism. There are a lot of supplements that helps with having a good health and helps to manage your weight. One of the suplements I've been using for 15 years is Nature's Sunshine, who has the highest quality of NATURAL supplements and information/education for your health. For more info visit: www.mynsp.com/BeNaturalHealthy , the products are so healpful and high quality that now I'm a distributor of them.
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Kaz Kylheku - 16 Jul 2007 08:50 GMT > It is said that exercising helps lose weight. > > But if I exercise a lot, the body would notice that calories is being spent > and would make me want to eat more to compensate. How could this help me > lose weight? Exercise can eliminate calories which are not balanced on the intake side, for two reasons.
The first reason is that working muscles burn a mixture of fat and carbohydrate. (The greater the intensity of exercise, the greater the reliance on glucose: a note about that later.) Although both fat and carbohydrate is burned, you replenish only the carbohydrate. The fat comes from your existing stores and doesn't need to be replenished. For this reason, you should eat a low-fat diet. How low? As low as possible, ideally. If you eat enough fat to offset the body fat that you burn in exercise and all other activity, you will not achieve fat loss. Your body only needs a small quantity of essential fats from the diet, and does not ``miss'' the fat that is burned.
The second reason exercise helps is that it creates a carbohydrate deficit in your body. When you consume carbs after exercise, particularly after strenuous exercise that severely depletes your glycogen stores, the carbohydrates go toward refueling that depleted store. Your muscles essentially gobble up circulating blood glucose. If you were to eat the same meals when not in a depleted state (like perhaps before exercise rather than after), you would be overeating and thus generating new body fat. The generation of body fat from carbs is partially a dead-end pathway: premium fuel is being downgraded into second rate fuel which cannot be converted back into premium fuel. It's like using cash to purchase some non-liquid long- term asset. And so you have to consume more carbs the next time you need that premium fuel, just like the way you have to raise new cash somehow to pay your bills if you tied up existing cash in some assets that can't be easily liquidated. Here is where the intensity of exercise helps: although intense exercise burns more carbs and less fat, it helps create a greater depletion which in turn means you can eat more, yet avoid storing new fat. Intense exercise also burns more energy per unit time. (Intense exercise also supposedly ``revs up'' the metabolism for a period of time, so that your body uses more energy for some time after the exercise, for supposedly as long as several hours. I suspect that this effect is overrated.)
Then there is also a whole different effect that comes into play. If you commit yourself to becoming an athlete, and work up to a high training volume, and stick with it week after week for years, your body will change in many ways, with one of the results being that you can quite easily stay lean. That's not to mention the health benefits.
Another thing to consider is that since exercise creates a greater demand for energy in your body, you can obtain a lot more nutrients, provided that you eat quality food. The greater need for protein and carbs creates the opportunities to eat a larger volume of healthy foods which are rich in nutrients without overeating. If diet without exercising, you can't eat as much, and so to get the nutrients, you may have to rely on supplementation, or rely on it to a greater extent.
What else? Oh yeah, resistance exercise. Builds and maintains muscle mass, strength, coordination, bone density. Enough said.
So, in summary, don't give up on exercise! :)
Cubit - 18 Jul 2007 16:50 GMT I have suspected that what you suggest is true. It would make sense for the body to refuel after an unusual moderate expenditure. The examples where exercise leads to weightloss seem to be extreme exercise, like in the stupid TV show "Biggest Loser."
Sometimes the experts are adept at tuning out the obvious.
OK, here is something to chew on. It is known that in a normal weight person that maintains the same weight for a year, that the persons body has unconsciously maintained calorie regulation within 1% of perfect balance. This is commonly recognized as evidence of the body's regulation of eating behavior. However, humans have varying day-by-day caloric burn rates. Activity changes. Thus, the only way the body could have maintained the same weight is by taking into account the expenditures from exercise.
> It is said that exercising helps lose weight. > > But if I exercise a lot, the body would notice that calories is being > spent and would make me want to eat more to compensate. How could this > help me lose weight?
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