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Weight Loss Forum / General Topics / July 2007Ban junk food
If people didn't even have the option of the junk food aisles in grocery stores, they'd not get obese. > If people didn't even have the option of the junk food aisles in grocery > stores, they'd not get obese. You can get fat on healthy foods just as well as junkfoods.. Its the CALORIES, not just what you eat, but how much you (over)eat. joanne >> If people didn't even have the option of the junk food aisles in >> grocery stores, they'd not get obese. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > joanne That's not totally true. Junk food has no nutritional value, whereas organic peanut butter(while high in calories) does. >>> If people didn't even have the option of the junk food aisles in >>> grocery stores, they'd not get obese. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > That's not totally true. Junk food has no nutritional value, whereas > organic peanut butter(while high in calories) does. Doesn't matter. A thousand calories is the same to weight gain (or loss) no matter where it comes from. All calories come from fat, sugar (carbs) or protein. > >>> If people didn't even have the option of the junk food aisles in > >>> grocery stores, they'd not get obese. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > matter where it comes from. All calories come from fat, sugar (carbs) or > protein. Yup. And that's what joanne was saying (correct me if I'm wrong)--nutrition aside, you can eat a 1000 *extra* calories in "Evil Debbies" or 1000 *extra* calories in peanut butter. If it's over what your metabolism can handle, you'll gain. It isn't just "eating junk food makes you fat." It's OVEREATING any food makes you fat. Amy (overeating broccoli) 168/115/...  SignatureCheck it out! http://www.tcfitnesschallenge.com/index.html >> >>> If people didn't even have the option of the junk food aisles in >> >>> grocery stores, they'd not get obese. [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > It isn't just "eating junk food makes you fat." It's OVEREATING any food > makes you fat. Sure, stating that junk food makes you fat is really not true. However, you're more likely to gain weight eating junk food, because of the caloric density and propensity to eat too much of it. That's my opinion anyways. > >>> If people didn't even have the option of the junk food aisles in > >>> grocery stores, they'd not get obese. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > matter where it comes from. All calories come from fat, sugar (carbs) or > protein. Only /excess/ calories are roughly equal. It matters a lot how your first thousand calories (i.e. essential calories) are allocated. If you eat nothing but a thousand calories from sugar, the effect (on your body composition, and of course other aspects of your health) will be different from eating nothing but a thousand calories from fat or protein. On the other hand, if you've already eaten 5000 calories today, then it probably doesn't make much of a difference what the next thousand comes from. > >> If people didn't even have the option of the junk food aisles in > >> grocery stores, they'd not get obese. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > That's not totally true. Junk food has no nutritional value, whereas organic > peanut butter(while high in calories) does. Peanut butter is high in omega-6 (linoleic acid) and virtually devoid of omega-3 (alpha-linolenic). This is an unhealthy imbalance. Omega-6 fats promote inflammation and have been implicated in the development of insulin resistance. I would argue that peanuts are a good example of ``mother nature's junk food''. It's best to limit the consumption of peanut butter and balance it with some high omega-3 source like flaxseed (or oil thereof). >> If people didn't even have the option of the junk food aisles in grocery >> stores, they'd not get obese. > > You can get fat on healthy foods just as well as junkfoods.. > Its the CALORIES, not just what you eat, but how much you (over)eat. True, but if it were *less available* we would be less likely to eat it. Like in Germany, fast food in the outlying areas is very scarce. You just don't eat it, because it isn't there. Meat is really expensive, so you don't eat alot of that. Food is pretty expensive, so you don't get all extravagent buying Costco sized amounts. Plus, packages of food are microscopic compared to here, so you eat less to make it last longer. > True, but if it were *less available* we would be less likely to eat it. > Like in Germany, fast food in the outlying areas is very scarce. You just > don't eat it, because it isn't there. It's not there because the prevailing culture doesn't have eating habits which require it to be there. Merely removing fast food from a culture that is accustomed to it won't do anything, because people will go out of their way to continue eating the same way. Fast food is quite easy to slap together at home, by someone who has few cooking skills, because it's designed to be made by totally unskilled labor in very little time. > > If people didn't even have the option of the junk food aisles in grocery > > stores, they'd not get obese. Prohibition didn't work in the US for alcohol and isn't working for drugs. Why should a ban on junk food do anything different than make a bunch of criminals rich like those two efforts? Prevention beats enforcement, so education and example beat bans. > You can get fat on healthy foods just as well as junkfoods.. > Its the CALORIES, not just what you eat, but how much you (over)eat. Line up a bunch of people who've gotten fat from eating freshly cut and roasted meat and assorted non-starchy veggies. Then I'll take your statement seriously. > If people didn't even have the option of the junk food aisles in grocery > stores, they'd not get obese. Do you really think there is a way to exert that sort of control over people? It didn't work during Prohibition. We do not seem to be making great headway in the war on drugs. People are still smoking despite ruinous taxes on cigarettes. Besides, how are you going to stop people from making their own junk food? The same flour that is used to make bread can be used to bake cookies and cakes. Apples can be eaten fresh, but can also be baked into pies. And it takes longer to bake a potato than it does to make french fries. > If people didn't even have the option of the junk food aisles in grocery > stores, they'd not get obese. Not so many would get fat, that's for sure, but you can still eat good food and get overweight. Also, it is only junk food if you eat a lot of it. Eating a candy bar once in a while might be good for a person...help them regain blood sugar after a workout for example. There is no consensus on what junk food is, but to me it is food high in added sugar or salt or fats. I'm afraid the best we can do is look out for ourselves and train our kids about food....along with smoking, alcohol, the internet, strangers...etc. dkw >If people didn't even have the option of the junk food aisles in grocery >stores, they'd not get obese. First they need to provide scooters at WalMart to people who are actually disabled, and not every lazy person who doesn't feel like walking. [feeding troll?] Everybody has a different definition of junk food. (Mine is, of course, the best.) > If people didn't even have the option of the junk food aisles in grocery > stores, they'd not get obese. |
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