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em - 05 Aug 2007 22:16 GMT
I've been weighing myself daily since the 1st of July & am just now getting
enough data to chart and start to see, maybe, some data that is meaningful.
A pattern is starting to emerge, but I need another month or two worth of
data to see if it is real or not.

I'm now keeping track of my average weight over a seven day period instead
of day-to-day, and that changes my numbers by a couple pounds. In fact, I
weigh more today then I did a week ago, but my seven day average is less
then it was a week ago. Last Sunday I weighed 245, but my 7 day average was
249.6. Today, Sunday, I weighed in at 246.5, which is 1.5 pounds more, but
my seven day average is 247.2. So, hey, (I think) I lost two pounds ;-)

I'm going to stick with < 20g for the next week & see if my loss remains
reasonably steady. Once I have a baseline, I'll start to up my carbs and see
what happens to my charts.

One thing I'm trying to learn is what "full" means. I've always been an
eat-till-I'm-stuffed kind of eater. What's happening, since I've been doing
low-carb, is that over-stuffed feeling sticks with me for hours and is
starting to feel uncomfortable. When I was doing low-cal, and also when I
was not watching what I eat, that over-stuffed feeling always went away
within 20 minutes or so & I would "think" I was hungry again. The way it is
now is working out pretty well. I'll eat like a pound of lean steak, feel
TOTALLY stuffed, and the feeling lasts for hours.

The real bottom line is that on average I'm losing one to two pounds a week
& am getting used to the idea that this is as good as it gets.

I'm 6-2 and have a huge frame. I don't know what a good weight will be for
me in the end, but twenty years ago, 210 was skinny and 220 was OK.

Based on all of this, I've modified my stats a little bit. They're based on
my average weight, not my "lowest weight I've seen so let me run and post my
stats". Also, I think that 220 is a pretty good goal for me, at least for
now, and possibly for the long term.

298/247/220
trader4@optonline.net - 05 Aug 2007 23:22 GMT
> I've been weighing myself daily since the 1st of July & am just now getting
> enough data to chart and start to see, maybe, some data that is meaningful.
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> now is working out pretty well. I'll eat like a pound of lean steak, feel
> TOTALLY stuffed, and the feeling lasts for hours.

You should definitley focus on eating less.  The idea is to eat until
your no longer hungry, not to eat until your stuffed.  If you're
losing 1 to 2lbs a week while eating till your stuffed, just think how
much you could lose if you were eating 2/3 or 1/2 of your current
portions.

One factor to consider is how fast you eat.   I think one reason the
French are not as fat as Americans despite eating lots of butter and
fat is that they eat smaller portions over a much longer period.   If
you go to a French restaurant, typically the courses are very modest
in size and get served over a 2 1/2 hour period.   The result is, you
haven't eaten as much and you feel very full.  If that food was put in
front of you in unlimited quantities all at once, you could eat a
whole lot more.  So, to the extent you can, try spacing out the length
of a meal.

> The real bottom line is that on average I'm losing one to two pounds a week
> & am getting used to the idea that this is as good as it gets.
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>
> 298/247/220
em - 05 Aug 2007 23:48 GMT
>> I've been weighing myself daily since the 1st of July & am just now
>> getting
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> much you could lose if you were eating 2/3 or 1/2 of your current
> portions.

Sometimes I eat these huge meals and sometimes I just munch all day -- not
regular at all. I need to straighten my weird eating habits, for sure. All
things given, a rate of one-to-two pounds/week is pretty good. I'm hoping
that after I lose a lot more weight that my eating habits will straighten
themselves out and I'll fall into a regular pattern.

I know that eating until you feel stuffed is baaad. I seem to like a switch
that is either on or off, either empty or over-full. I'm looking for that
"natural feeling" that tells me I'm at 3/4 of a tank, & have been looking
for that for a long time. I don't seem to be wired that way. That probably
has something to do with how I got fat in the first place.
dodozada@yahoo.com - 06 Aug 2007 00:32 GMT
On Aug 6, 12:22 am, "trad...@optonline.net" <trad...@optonline.net>
wrote:

> > I've been weighing myself daily since the 1st of July & am just now getting
> > enough data to chart and start to see, maybe, some data that is meaningful.
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dkw12002@yahoo.com - 06 Aug 2007 00:06 GMT
> I've been weighing myself daily since the 1st of July & am just now getting
> enough data to chart and start to see, maybe, some data that is meaningful.
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>
> 298/247/220

I personally would reevaluate my calorie intake if I had not lost
weight over a week period. If you are eating less, it must still be
very close to your maintenance calories for your present weight.
Gaining over a week supports the possibility that you are still
overeating relative to your weight and exercise level of course.
Probably you could give it a little more time, but I would drop my
calories another 200 cal per day if it were me, unless this would make
you give up your diet completely. To each his/her own though. When I
dieted, I wanted to see at least 2 pounds a week come off, but then I
was way overweight. Perhaps you are really tall and 245 isn't so
overweight. dkw
dodozada@yahoo.com - 06 Aug 2007 00:32 GMT
On Aug 6, 1:06 am, "dkw12...@yahoo.com" <dkw12...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> > I've been weighing myself daily since the 1st of July & am just now getting
> > enough data to chart and start to see, maybe, some data that is meaningful.
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FOB - 06 Aug 2007 00:59 GMT
It's week three, the week that almost no one loses.  Your advice is contrary
to what Dr. Atkins says and it's my understanding that em is following
Atkins.

| I personally would reevaluate my calorie intake if I had not lost
| weight over a week period. If you are eating less, it must still be
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| was way overweight. Perhaps you are really tall and 245 isn't so
| overweight. dkw
em - 06 Aug 2007 05:43 GMT
> I personally would reevaluate my calorie intake if I had not lost
> weight over a week period. If you are eating less, it must still be
> very close to your maintenance calories for your present weight.

I think that not losing weight for one week, or even gaining just a little
bit, is par for the course on -any- diet.

> Gaining over a week supports the possibility that you are still
> overeating relative to your weight and exercise level of course.

I'm going to continue doing what I'm doing for the next week or two and go
from there. I plan to increase/decrease my carb level based on the results
I'm getting. My objective is to put as many carbs as is reasonably possible
into my diet without foiling my ongoing weight loss.

> To each his/her own though. When I
> dieted, I wanted to see at least 2 pounds a week come off, but then I
> was way overweight. Perhaps you are really tall and 245 isn't so
> overweight. dkw

Well, I'm 6-2, have a large frame, and am not sure where I "should be" in
terms of weight. I think that 220 or so is a pretty good goal for me right
now, and when I get close to that I'll re-evaluate.

I've been weighing myself every day since July 1. If there's one thing I'm
certain of, its this: when a person steps on a scale, the reading they see
means very little if they are watching their weight by the pound. What I'm
doing now is measuring and recording my weight every day and taking a seven
day average. Even though my "step on the scale weight" was more today then
it was a week ago, the reality is that my average weight this week was two
pounds less then the week before.

I think that weighing one's self regularly is a great tool to use to monitor
and perfect your diet.  I dieted for quite a long time without a scale and
did pretty well. Real progress and success takes months and can only be
measured in smaller clothes sizes, before-and-after pictures, improved blood
& urine test results, etc.

My .02, fwiw.
dodozada@yahoo.com - 06 Aug 2007 00:31 GMT
> I've been weighing myself daily since the 1st of July & am just now getting
> enough data to chart and start to see, maybe, some data that is meaningful.
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>
> 298/247/220

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Jim - 06 Aug 2007 01:00 GMT
> One thing I'm trying to learn is what "full" means. I've always been an
> eat-till-I'm-stuffed kind of eater. What's happening, since I've been
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> again. The way it is now is working out pretty well. I'll eat like a
> pound of lean steak, feel TOTALLY stuffed, and the feeling lasts for hours.

The simple summary of Atkins is below.

1) Eat Till SATISFIED, Not STUFFED... Atkins repeated 9 times in the book
2) Exercise: It's Non-Negotiable..... Chapter 22 title, Atkins book
3) Don't Diet Without Supplemental Nutrients... Chapter 23 title, Atkins
book
4) A sensible eating plan, and follow it. (Atkins, Self Made or Other)

Did you miss how many times he said to eat till satisfied, not stuffed?
Nick Chan - 06 Aug 2007 03:28 GMT
don't just weigh yourself
get blood and urine checkup also
check for liver health and cholestrol level

> I've been weighing myself daily since the 1st of July & am just now getting
> enough data to chart and start to see, maybe, some data that is meaningful.
[quoted text clipped - 33 lines]
>
> 298/247/220
Nick Chan - 06 Aug 2007 03:30 GMT
don't just weigh yourself
get blood and urine checkup also
check for liver health and cholestrol level

> I've been weighing myself daily since the 1st of July & am just now getting
> enough data to chart and start to see, maybe, some data that is meaningful.
[quoted text clipped - 33 lines]
>
> 298/247/220
jackiepatti@gmail.com - 06 Aug 2007 10:45 GMT
> I've been weighing myself daily since the 1st of July & am just now getting
> enough data to chart and start to see, maybe, some data that is meaningful.
> A pattern is starting to emerge, but I need another month or two worth of
> data to see if it is real or not.

I completely agree with this.  I chart bg, not weight.  But it's the
same basic principle... you have to see what is happening over time,
not just one single reading, to spot the difference between meaningful
data and noise.

> I'm now keeping track of my average weight over a seven day period instead
> of day-to-day, and that changes my numbers by a couple pounds. In fact, I
> weigh more today then I did a week ago, but my seven day average is less
> then it was a week ago. Last Sunday I weighed 245, but my 7 day average was
> 249.6. Today, Sunday, I weighed in at 246.5, which is 1.5 pounds more, but
> my seven day average is 247.2. So, hey, (I think) I lost two pounds ;-)

I think you did too.

Weight depends on a lot of stuff that has nothing to do with fat
loss.

> I'm going to stick with < 20g for the next week & see if my loss remains
> reasonably steady. Once I have a baseline, I'll start to up my carbs and see
> what happens to my charts.

Yup, give it a few weeks.

> One thing I'm trying to learn is what "full" means. I've always been an
> eat-till-I'm-stuffed kind of eater. What's happening, since I've been doing
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> now is working out pretty well. I'll eat like a pound of lean steak, feel
> TOTALLY stuffed, and the feeling lasts for hours.

Being uncomfortable for hours doesn't sound like fun.

Maybe try eating half the steak, and just setting the other half aside
for an hour and then see how you feel.

> The real bottom line is that on average I'm losing one to two pounds a week
> & am getting used to the idea that this is as good as it gets.

You're pretty close to goal, so that is a damned good rate of loss.

> I'm 6-2 and have a huge frame. I don't know what a good weight will be for
> me in the end, but twenty years ago, 210 was skinny and 220 was OK.

It may be different.  Partly, it depends on how much lean body mass
you have.

The same weight can look very different depending on how much of it is
fat vs lean.  You can see how you look when you hit goal and then see
what you want to do from there.

> Based on all of this, I've modified my stats a little bit. They're based on
> my average weight, not my "lowest weight I've seen so let me run and post my
> stats". Also, I think that 220 is a pretty good goal for me, at least for
> now, and possibly for the long term.
>
> 298/247/220

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