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Weight Loss Forum / General Topics / August 2007Emotionally attached to food
I eat too much. I like eating, shopping and thinking about food, but I don't like being fat. I can't imagine life without excessive eating. I've dieted before and exercised to lose weight, but because I love to eat and all that goes with it, I end up gaining it back. If I wasn't always thinking about food and shopping for ingredients, what would I do? How would I get satisfied doing something else? Please refrain from comments like "Oh, you're so sad. You have to understand that you can only eat so much and eventually you'll learn to love it." I've been around. I've lost weight. I know what it takes and I know I won't love it for long. I'm also not here for your pity. What I want to know is what do you live for when you give up something you love forever? >I eat too much. I like eating, shopping and thinking about food, but I >don't like being fat. I can't imagine life without excessive eating. I've [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > won't love it for long. I'm also not here for your pity. What I want to > know is what do you live for when you give up something you love forever? One thing you need to not do is stop exercising once you lose the weight. Bob >I eat too much. I like eating, shopping and thinking about food, but I >don't like being fat. I can't imagine life without excessive eating. I've [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > won't love it for long. I'm also not here for your pity. What I want to > know is what do you live for when you give up something you love forever? Learn to love other things EVEN MORE. I still love to eat, but I love being able to cycle 75+ miles even more. "Greens" <prbj@adelphia.net> wrote in message news:w-udnWiNcp- What I want to know is > what do you live for when you give up something you love forever? Oh, and who said you have to give it up? I still indulge in eating all the things I love. But I follow the 80/20 rule. I'm 80% good and 20% bad in terms of eating. If I keep cycling I'll be able to indulge a lot more. Trouble is my "i'm hungry" alarm is stuck and even though I intend to keep bicycling into the fall and beyond, I usually quit when it's no longer hot. I just start to hate it for some reason. I don't know why. I hate hot weather, but it gets me out for some reason. Food, shopping for it, thinking about it, preparing it and eating... it's my most enduring hobby. It never goes away. Everything else, I get sick of. > "Greens" <prbj@adelphia.net> wrote in message news:w-udnWiNcp- > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > the things I love. But I follow the 80/20 rule. I'm 80% good and 20% bad > in terms of eating. > If I keep cycling I'll be able to indulge a lot more. Trouble is my "i'm > hungry" alarm is stuck and even though I intend to keep bicycling into the [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > my most enduring hobby. It never goes away. Everything else, I get sick > of. I wish there was something magical or life changing I could tell you. Eating is one of those things for me that somewhere along the way, became much more than a means to take in adequate nutrition. I manage to lose weight and keep it off because I just hate myself more if I don't. > If I keep cycling I'll be able to indulge a lot more. Trouble is my "i'm > hungry" alarm is stuck and even though I intend to keep bicycling into the > fall and beyond, I usually quit when it's no longer hot. I just start to > hate it for some reason. I don't know why. > I hate hot weather, but it gets me out for some reason. You know what the reason is. You are comfortable when you are cycling in hot weather. You do hate hot weather itself because it's uncomfortable. It's uncomfortable to just be outside, let alone walk somewhere or, heaven forbid, run. But on a bicycle, it's not so bad. Cycling is probably the most air-cooled endurance sport. It takes very little effort on flat pavement to go at a decent enough clip to enjoy a significant cooling effect from the wind. Problem is that in cooler weather, that cooling effect becomes uncomfortable. You have to wear more layers, and exercise harder. Say, have you tried, in hot weather, doing some sort of strenuous exercise which doesn't incorporate significant air cooling, and will leave you drenched with sweat and uncomfortable? I'm guessing that you're the type that eschews any kind of physical discomfort, or physical effort that leads to discomfort, which tends to go hand in hand with being a foodie. >> If I keep cycling I'll be able to indulge a lot more. Trouble is my "i'm >> hungry" alarm is stuck and even though I intend to keep bicycling into [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > discomfort, or physical effort that leads to discomfort, which tends > to go hand in hand with being a foodie. I used to play tennis all day in the hot sun, sweating like crazy. At my weight tennis is very hard on the knees and feet. A few years ago I was hiking a lot in hot weather and killing fifty or so biting flies an hour. I'm steering clear of that now because of my feet. So no, I don't eschew physical effort that involves discomfort. I eschew physical activity that leads to permanent injury or at least I try to. Another thing. Thirty years ago when I played tennis all day, I didn't mind sitting around afterward without a shower. Sometimes I even slept without a shower. These days I can't stand the sensation of that residue on my skin. I wonder if i sweat out more noxious stuff these days or have I become more sensitive. > ... What I want to know is > what do you live for when you give up something you love forever? Giving up one thing isn't the same as giving up everything. Let's say I give up wheat because I'm wheat intolerant and it triggers addictive behavior when I do eat it. That does not mean I also gave up broccoli deep fried in the fondue pot. Celebrate what you can eat, and you have comparatively clear sailing. Lament what you can't eat, and you set yourself up for unending self imposed hardship. It is mental, a choice to notice the good. > I've been around. I've lost weight. I know what it takes and I know I won't > love it for long. I'm also not here for your pity. What I want to know is > what do you live for when you give up something you love forever? Trick question? You live for something other than food, I would guess. Where do you rank in the natural kingdom if food is what you live for? Are you an insect or bacterium? Why do you need a brain with a hundred million neurons, the product of millions of years of evolution, if all you want to do is run chemicals over your taste buds? What kind of food is it that you live for, anyway? Since you are dedicating your life to it, it is the finest food that you can afford? >> I've been around. I've lost weight. I know what it takes and I know I >> won't [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > What kind of food is it that you live for, anyway? Since you are > dedicating your life to it, it is the finest food that you can afford? I change my diet frequently. I get bored eating the same things all the time, but a few things I eat more regularly than others. Cheddar cheese is a problem. I love it on broccoli and pasta. I like cheesy soups with sausage. I like pizza and I don't like any of this stuff in moderate amounts. I like it in large amounts. It doesn't take much to make a large amount when you have as many calories and fat as cheese has. I got through periods when I eat a lot of strip steaks. Lots of calories, saturated fat and salt and brown sugar from the rubs. I like Ben and Jerry's. Since I'm dieting I'm avoiding all this stuff and eating Soy Delicious iced err... soy. I'm eating tofu and salmon. I'm avoiding white pasta for whole grain. It never lasts though. I'll go back to it. Then I'll feel bad when my weight goes up and clothes don't fit right and I'll eat more and get hopelessly depressed because I just want to do what I want. Don't want to be bothered anymore. It's easy when it's summer and you're all psyched. >>> I've been around. I've lost weight. I know what it takes and I know I >>> won't [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > want. Don't want to be bothered anymore. It's easy when it's summer and > you're all psyched. Sorry. You'll stay fat as long as you behave like you don't have the strength to overcome it. >>>> I've been around. I've lost weight. I know what it takes and I know I >>>> won't [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > Sorry. You'll stay fat as long as you behave like you don't have the > strength to overcome it. It's not an act for me or the millions who are stuck repeating the same patterns. You might be successful in forever being satisfied with less, but you would be in the minority. All the figures I've seen on obesity show that once a person becomes fat, they have some temporary victories, but eventually they become fat again. If you've succeeded in keeping the weight off, let me know how long it's been. >>>>> I've been around. I've lost weight. I know what it takes and I know I >>>>> won't [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > patterns. You might be successful in forever being satisfied with less, > but you would be in the minority. That's ridiculous. You're just lazy, and lack discipline and you want to blame your fatness on something other than yourself. It's called DENIAL. > "determined" <determi...@comcast.nest> wrote in message > > Sorry. You'll stay fat as long as you behave like you don't have the [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > once a person becomes fat, they have some temporary victories, but > eventually they become fat again. So why are you here? This is a newsgroup for people who are either dieting or are interested in exchanging (what they believe to be) diet- related information. Since you don't believe that any attempt at fat loss will work in the long run, including dieting, and you are not dieting, you are off topic here. You've made it clear from the outset that you know that your overweight is caused by overeating, and you know that your overeating is caused by a desire to do so, which you have no desire to hamper. Your question seems to be how to change your personality so that your desires will change. That is a topic for a newsgroup that deals with psychological issues. This is a diet newsgroup for discussing diets and diet problems, such as troubleshooting a diet that isn't working, etc. What you are doing is essentially the same thing like asking, in a piano newsgroup, how to become motivated into liking piano music so that you could start to learn how to play the piano, and citing statistics that most people who pick up piano end up quitting. It appears you are a borderline troll. Your message sounds and awful lot like some of the drivel spouted by fat acceptors. And I'm not even sure about the borderline part. > If you've succeeded in keeping the weight off, let me know how long it's > been. So what you are saying is that every current success is merely a postponement of inevitable failure. That may be true of you and your life, and of others like you who are captured in the statistics. You don't speak for everyone. I don't think I ever said I wasn't dieting or trying to lose weight. I am losing a little. It's just that I think losing weight is just the happier part of the weight losing schemes, the roller coaster. I know the best way to shed pounds is exercise and food deprivation. Counting calories worked for me long ago, but I don't want to do that again because it becomes so tiresome and because I'm never satisified. The thing I've been trying for a couple of years is to get more fiber, more whole foods, more fruit, less meat and lots of exercise. I was hoping things would take care of themselves, but I'm finding that that doesn't work so well either. I'm losing weight now because I'm bicycling a lot. I don't think the extra fiber and fruit is doing anything for my weight problem. "So what you are saying is that every current success is merely a postponement of inevitable failure." Yea. True in my personal experience and true in general. There are rare exceptions. How long have you kept the weight off? I'm guessing not too long because if you've had it off for 15 years, you'd be talking about it. Lastly, I don't do this to piss on your parade. I do it because I want to hear a better solution. Right now I think I need to start traveling year round by bicycle. It's not the most radical idea or the most pleasant, but it makes sense. I think I might get sick of bicycling. Will I be as sick of it as I get sick of dieting? Can't say now. >> "determined" <determi...@comcast.nest> wrote in message >> > Sorry. You'll stay fat as long as you behave like you don't have the [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > life, and of others like you who are captured in the statistics. You > don't speak for everyone. >I don't think I ever said I wasn't dieting or trying to lose weight. I am >losing a little. It's just that I think losing weight is just the happier >part of the weight losing schemes, the roller coaster. > > I know the best way to shed pounds is exercise and food deprivation. What do you consider "deprivation"? Not stuffing your face with pizza and cheesecake? > Counting calories worked for me long ago, but I don't want to do that > again because it becomes so tiresome and because I'm never satisified. Stay fat then. > The thing I've been trying for a couple of years is to get more fiber, > more whole foods, more fruit, less meat and lots of exercise. I was hoping > things would take care of themselves, Things never "take care of themselves". YOU have to take care of things. > It's not an act for me or the millions who are stuck repeating the same > patterns. You might be successful in forever being satisfied with less, but > you would be in the minority. All the figures I've seen on obesity show that > once a person becomes fat, they have some temporary victories, but > eventually they become fat again. About 95% fall off plan and about 5% keep it off. So what does that statistic really mean? That it's possible to keep it off and how most go about it isn't the way that works. That a lot of people quit. That the way to get into the 5% is to not quit and to figure it out. Which is better, quiting and giving up forever, or keep trying again and again? > If you've succeeded in keeping the weight off, let me know how long it's > been. My best length to keep it all off was a bit over 2 years. My best length to keep more than half of it off was not quite 5 years. Better than most but it doesn't put me in that 5% group. So have I quit and given up? Nope. I keep learning and I keep trying again. I'm far better off for having tried and learned. And each time I fall off the wagon I learn, like Thomas Edison and the light bulb, one more thing that doesn't work. >> It's not an act for me or the millions who are stuck repeating the same >> patterns. You might be successful in forever being satisfied with less, [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > like Thomas Edison and the light bulb, one more thing that doesn't > work. I am sure it's different for obese people vs. people who have 20 or so lbs to lose. Different only in the fact that the problem is deeper, and has been going on longer. But it's not a different problem. People eat too much and move too little - BOTTOM LINE. The reasons behind WHY that is may differ some, but that's up to the individual to discover and work through. Throwing your hands up in the air and saying "I've tried everything" is just BS. "Sorry. You'll stay fat as long as you behave like you don't have the strength to overcome it." "That's ridiculous. You're just lazy, and lack discipline and you want to blame your fatness on something other than yourself. It's called DENIAL." How much weight have you lost? How long have you kept it off? Sounds like you think you have all the answers. >>> It's not an act for me or the millions who are stuck repeating the same >>> patterns. You might be successful in forever being satisfied with less, [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > through. Throwing your hands up in the air and saying "I've tried > everything" is just BS. > "Sorry. You'll stay fat as long as you behave like you don't have the > strength to overcome it." [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > How long have you kept it off? > Sounds like you think you have all the answers. I do have all the answers. This isn't rocket science - it's common sense. You have all the answers too, you just aren't taking the necessary action to make it happen. I have never been more than 20lbs overweight. Which is irrelevent, because losing weight is losing weight. You just have more or less of it. It's still hard to do regardless of where you start from. I am currently 19% bodyfat, and participate in century rides and half marathons. Last year, I couldn't ride more than a few miles or run a single mile. It takes determination. Nothing easy about it. You've never been more than 20 pounds overweight and yet you hang around a diet newsgroup and offer pithy "advice" and comments like "What do you consider "deprivation"? Not stuffing your face with pizza and cheesecake?" and "Stay fat then."Things never take care of themselves. YOU have to take care of things." Face it. You're just somebody who hates fat people and enjoys bashing them. Quick drown out the fat guy! He's opening up. We have to silence him. >> "Sorry. You'll stay fat as long as you behave like you don't have the >> strength to overcome it." [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > year, I couldn't ride more than a few miles or run a single mile. It > takes determination. Nothing easy about it. > Face it. You're just somebody who hates fat people and enjoys bashing them. > Quick drown out the fat guy! He's opening up. We have to silence him. We don't hate you because you're fat - we hate you because you're stupid. > You've never been more than 20 pounds overweight and yet you hang around a > diet newsgroup and offer pithy "advice" and comments like [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > them. Quick drown out the fat guy! He's opening up. We have to silence > him. Nope. I've been around this newsgroup for 10 yrs. It is a group for ALL who wish to lose weight, not just for those who are seriously overweight. What do you want to hear? Warm and soft fuzzy sugar coated responses? Or realistic, get your a.s in gear responses? Same here. Eventually you get old and die whereas Edison got rich. Westinghouse and his alternating current beat him to the major prize though. Edison only got a small slice. It's a tremendous amount of energy that goes into weight loss during a life. Thin people who never get fat have so much more time and energy to spend on other things because they're not always thinking about food, feeling bad about eating it, fretting over pants that don't fit. >> It's not an act for me or the millions who are stuck repeating the same >> patterns. You might be successful in forever being satisfied with less, [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > like Thomas Edison and the light bulb, one more thing that doesn't > work. > Same here. Eventually you get old and die whereas Edison got rich. > Westinghouse and his alternating current beat him to the major prize [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > not always thinking about food, feeling bad about eating it, fretting over > pants that don't fit. Bullshit. The reason why we aren't fat is because instead of spending time worrying about our fatness, and how we can increase it, we are out there working our a.ses off in the gym, or on a bike. There is no coasting. Maintenance takes plenty of time. >> Same here. Eventually you get old and die whereas Edison got rich. >> Westinghouse and his alternating current beat him to the major prize [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > there working our a.ses off in the gym, or on a bike. There is no > coasting. Maintenance takes plenty of time. It's not bullshit. I know people who just don't like food very much. They don't exercise as much as I do and yet they are thin. They don't have to resist any food urges. >>> Same here. Eventually you get old and die whereas Edison got rich. >>> Westinghouse and his alternating current beat him to the major prize [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > don't exercise as much as I do and yet they are thin. They don't have to > resist any food urges. I don't think that there very many people like that. Most people have to exercise some restraint when it comes to food. >>>> Same here. Eventually you get old and die whereas Edison got rich. >>>> Westinghouse and his alternating current beat him to the major prize [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > I don't think that there very many people like that. Most people have to > exercise some restraint when it comes to food. You might be right, but it's just as possible that you're wrong. I haven't read of any studies on the subject of people who aren't particularly interested in food as a source of pleasure. I just know from personal experience. I have friends who have the same attitude towards food that I had when I was a kid - most food is suspicious. You know how a lof of kids won't go near real food? They're still like that. I think today kids are still wary of most food, but they love fast food and potato chip type things. Those are the kids that are obese. They don't get fat eating steaks and white sauces. They get fat eating big macs, tacos, pizza... the sh.t that doesn't give them the creeps and looks like fun. This one guy I know, he's still skinny in his mid thirties. He hasn't got much interest in fast food, slow food or any food. He's always nervous and making up sh.t (lies) for no reason at all. I don't think he has much willpower at all. I've often told him that I can't stand him making up answers, but he keeps doing it. I don't think he could stop if he tried. He also has little control in shaping his body. For about a year he worked out to build himself up but I never detected any change in his appearance. Like me, he's stuck the way he is. Your "get your a.s in gear" advice is probably as useful as telling him to get his a.s and grow two inches taller - it just isn't possible. > I eat too much. I like eating, shopping and thinking about food, but I don't > like being fat. I can't imagine life without excessive eating. I've dieted [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > love it for long. I'm also not here for your pity. What I want to know is > what do you live for when you give up something you love forever? I kind of have the same urges. Almost everyone who is or has been overweight finds it difficult NOT to overeat. What if boils down to is which drive is stronger: To not overeat, or to not be fully satisfied. Tough choice and to make it worse, obviously people waffle back and forth as evidenced by yo-yo diets. Sometimes it takes a real health scare or some dramatic life change to get the weight off and leave it off. It ain't easy. I still dream about food, and fantasize about being able to eat as much as I like of some of my favorite foods, and it is a daily struggle. This struggle can be won though over the long haul. If you lost weight once, you can do it again and even keep it off. dkw > I eat too much. I like eating, shopping and thinking about food, but I don't > like being fat. Food is one of life's great pleasures. Understanding your relationship with food and hence your reactions to it will help you to control your feelings and enjoy it at the same time without the guilt. There is a great book by Tom Mc Gregor called Eating in Freedom that explains this and a whole lot more. It costs about $15. Some of my colleagues have read it and really started to feel good about their eating and most have made significant changes. It may be worth a try. Click HERE for the link and more info. http://www.healthrecipes.com/down.htm?hop=makemuscle&tid=MAKEMUSC Fred > I eat too much. I like eating, shopping and thinking about food, but I don't > like being fat. I can't imagine life without excessive eating. I've dieted [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > love it for long. I'm also not here for your pity. What I want to know is > what do you live for when you give up something you love forever? This thread generated a lot of comments – many of them unhelpful to the poster. I thought this was supposed to be a support group. Comments like ‘So stay fat’ etc are not supportive. I’m in favor of polite on no comments – but dieting is an emotional business and I suppose we have to bear the occasional flame. I apologize for sounding stilted. My two cents: It is possible to change your outlook a bit with a small twist, to get on the right track. Emotion can be redirected and when emotionally attached to eating, the emotion can be altered to emotional attachment to healthy food. You can get hooked on shopping for ingredients that can be made into real tasty meals. It takes getting enthused, like the poster who ’just loves steel cut oatmeal and all the things you can do with it.’ Have to turn that negative attitude around to positive. If you are not self motivated, I suggest you visit an experienced hypnotist. He/she can install some motivation and advise you on auto-suggestion techniques to keep you going. If you have the time to spend on it you can research foods and see what is healthy. If not, you can follow someone else’s recipes or diets. Sooo much better if you research it yourself from scratch. Gets you more into the spirit. Main thing is getting emotionally involved with cooking. Once in a while declare yourself a diet holiday and call for pizza – the object is not to be punishing yourself but to be enjoying yourself. As the various posters said – you are in charge. Some positive stuff: 1. Food on a plate should look attractive – you know - something red, green, yellow etc, arranged with care on your best crockery; 2. The 80/20 advice you got is sound, if you don’t have time or inclination for detailed food research; 3. Practice saying to yourself out loud “damn, but that tasted good,” when you finish a meal you cooked. A little self praise doesn’t hurt; 4. So far, the main method of increasing lifespan that is being researched is ‘dietary restriction.’ Some encouraging results with laboratory animals and some human trials coming up; 5. I’m told that the Alli product works by stopping food from being digested. Haven’t tried it, but if it does, it is probably something to investigate before calling for that pizza; Your question "what do you live for when you give up something you love forever?" I'd say, live for the same thing - food - just healthy food. Mal > I thought this was supposed to be a support group. Comments like 'So stay > fat' etc are not supportive. People who show up and post their reasons for staying fat aren't going to find support here. People who are interested in making changes and taking control will. >> I thought this was supposed to be a support group. Comments like 'So stay >> fat' etc are not supportive. > > People who show up and post their reasons for staying fat aren't going > to find support here. People who are interested in making changes and > taking control will. Idiot! I'd be interested in making changes if I could expect them to be permanent. Studies have shown that diets aren't permanent solutions. I'm guessing you're another one who's not really fat and just enjoys pestering people who are fat with your "do what I say or get out" attitude. Hello, There is nothing wrong with being pasionate about good food :-) Food is .. amazing :-) Not many people get fat on food they didn't like. So, I think the main question here is, how to maintain a lower / sensible weight after the 'diet' without being miserable or hungry all the time? Hopefully during the diet phase you'll get used to smaller portions - this isn't happening with me, but it does with some people >shrug< so when you get to the maintainace part, you'll already be eating smaller amounts. Smaller amounts? Less food? Nooooo! This is my golden rule... if I have to eat less, then what I'm going to eat is going to be darn good! No rubbish, if I fancy X I'm going to get the best darn healthy X I can find... this whole process for me hasn't reduced my pasion for food, it's just turned me into a foodie snob :-) If you love within spitting distance of London, you have to go to Borough Market at least once.. good, fresh, amazing food :-) Also, as I'm on the loseing weight part of my life at the moment rather than maintainance and being uber-healthy, I've found that I don't fancy the unhealthy things so much as I did... the Pizza Hut pizza is too greasy for me now (still tasty though) so I prefer Clever Wally's Raw Pizza... so good, much fresher... Of course, you still have to be sensible - but fresh, good food that you adore is usually better than processed food anyway, so it's a start... Lose the weight, then spoil yourself rotton with high quality - but not loaded with fat - healthy goodness mmmmm I assume you make your own pizza? Did it take an age to learn how to do the bases? I would love to try that... :-D Any tips? Amykate - snob >>> I thought this was supposed to be a support group. Comments like 'So >>> stay [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > guessing you're another one who's not really fat and just enjoys pestering > people who are fat with your "do what I say or get out" attitude. That's right - we don't advocate diets here, but PERMANENT CHANGES in our way of eating and way of life. >>>> I thought this was supposed to be a support group. Comments like 'So >>>> stay [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > That's right - we don't advocate diets here, but PERMANENT CHANGES in our > way of eating and way of life. If you've made permanent changes to your diet, you don't need this place. Sounds like you're constantly having to rediet to reduce your weight. You've got the same problem as the morbidly obese. Your diet only works temporarily. It's just that your problem is on a smaller scale. > >> Idiot! I'd be interested in making changes if I could expect them to be > >> permanent. You're new enough that you haven't read almost any of the ASD archives. That fact is ASD is one of the few places where the regulars constantly stress that thinking of a diet as something temporary not permanent means regain. That stress on the long term is why the support on ASD is so superior. But you haven't had time to see that yet so you're spitting into the wind. > >> Studies have shown that diets aren't permanent solutions. In 95% of the people who try them. What you're missing is what has always made ASD different. Here the stress has always been on making it permanent. Whether you call it a diet or not is irrelevant to making it permanent. So why are you ignoring that it is those 5% who are the regulars on ASD? Instead you argue with them. > If you've made permanent changes to your diet, you don't need this place. Nonsense. A way to achieve permanence is no-nonsense support of the sort that's found on ASD and ASDLC. That quiting your plan means gaining it back. That thinking a diet is anything short of permanent is a one way ticket to regain. Have you ever seen a 12-step program that ends with the chant of "Keep coming back. It works if you work it"? Overeating is an addictive behavior pattern. It needs to be worked on forever by many of the folks who manage to make it past those 5 years. How many AA 12-steppers are willing to say "you don't need this place"? So far I haven't seen any ASD people who've ever been seriously overweight, what might be called morbidly obese or even 60 to 100 pounds obese. If one of those people were to lose that 80 pounds and keep it off for at least five years, I'd be more impressed. Just one or two wouldn't do it though as there are probably thousands who have visited here. Bottom line, you don't have scientific evidence that visiting this newsgroup and using it's accepted weight loss methods is successful for 5 year or longer periods people 80 pounds overweight. >> >> Idiot! I'd be interested in making changes if I could expect them to >> >> be [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > How many AA 12-steppers are willing to say "you don't need this > place"? > So far I haven't seen any ASD people who've ever been seriously > overweight, what might be called morbidly obese or even 60 to 100 pounds [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > newsgroup and using it's accepted weight loss methods is successful for 5 > year or longer periods people 80 pounds overweight. That's right, we don't have evidence. If you feel it's a waste of your time to be here, you can go. >> So far I haven't seen any ASD people who've ever been seriously >> overweight, what might be called morbidly obese or even 60 to 100 pounds [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > That's right, we don't have evidence. If you feel it's a waste of your > time to be here, you can go. I think you feel it's your job to chase away people who don't agree with your brilliant diet techniques. > So far I haven't seen any ASD people who've ever been seriously overweight, > what might be called morbidly obese or even 60 to 100 pounds obese. If one > of those people were to lose that 80 pounds and keep it off for at least > five years, I'd be more impressed. There's Chris who posts daily. > Just one or two wouldn't do it though as > there are probably thousands who have visited here. Several regulars other than Chris have lost and kept it off. > Bottom line, you don't have scientific evidence that visiting this > newsgroup and using it's accepted weight loss methods is successful for 5 > year or longer periods people 80 pounds overweight. So you have any better resource anywhere? You're just a troll looking for excuses to not try. Goodbye. >>>>> I thought this was supposed to be a support group. Comments like 'So >>>>> stay [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > You've got the same problem as the morbidly obese. Your diet only works > temporarily. It's just that your problem is on a smaller scale. Nope. I've been at goal weight for a long time. I hang around here to share my perspective on weight loss. Without and "oldtimers", there would just be a bunch of newbies and a bunch of spam. >>>>>> I thought this was supposed to be a support group. Comments like 'So >>>>>> stay [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > share my perspective on weight loss. Without and "oldtimers", there would > just be a bunch of newbies and a bunch of spam. Did you ever think that some people don't want to be as rigid as you are? Your attitude... it just seems like you have a lot of contempt for anyone who doesn't have your iron will. As for making a home on a newsgroup. I've seen the phenomenon before. Newsgroups are supposed to be public, unmoderated. You and some of your friends have appointed yourselves moderators. You can't delete posts, but I think you try to make people miserable if they don't agree with the gist of your plan and your dieting beliefs. If you're not trying to moderate this newsgroup, why do you keep telling me to leave? I'm not selling anything. I'm just giving my opinion. > >> I thought this was supposed to be a support group. Comments like 'So stay > >> fat' etc are not supportive. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Idiot! I'd be interested in making changes if I could expect them to be > permanent. You could expect them to be permanent if you got off your lazy a.s and made them so. >> >> I thought this was supposed to be a support group. Comments like 'So >> >> stay [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > You could expect them to be permanent if you got off your lazy a.s and > made them so. I can burn myself with a candle by holding my hand over it, but I doubt I'm likely to make a regular habit of it. > >> >> I thought this was supposed to be a support group. Comments like 'So > >> >> stay fat' etc are not supportive. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > I can burn myself with a candle by holding my hand over it, but I doubt I'm > likely to make a regular habit of it. Yeah, because that's totally analogous to losing weight and taking control of your food intake. >> >> >> I thought this was supposed to be a support group. Comments like >> >> >> 'So [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > Yeah, because that's totally analogous to losing weight and taking > control of your food intake. I don't like deprivation and I don't like the pain of being burned so I avoid both even though I can put up with both for a little while. It's not the best analogy, but then you're not really a support person. You're more of a flamer. How much overweight have you ever been? How long have you kept the pounds off? > It's not the best analogy, but then you're not really a support person. Why should I offer any support to someone who isn't interested in making changes? I've made changes. I'm eating more whole foods and fruits and vegetables as a percentage and exercising more. My plan is to bicycle more of the year. I'm not enthused about restricting myself to 1800 calories a day. It was a disaster in the long run the last time I did it when I was in my early thirties. >> It's not the best analogy, but then you're not really a support person. > > Why should I offer any support to someone who isn't interested in making > changes? > I can burn myself with a candle by holding my hand over it, but I doubt > I'm likely to make a regular habit of it. So you compare exercising to holding your hand over a candle? Ok, then start slow by standing next to a burned out match and work your way up. :) You can't reach all your fitness goals in a day. Start slow like we all do and take one step at a time. Joe 357/301/220 |
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