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Weight Loss Forum / General Topics / August 2007Needing advice on weight loss. Would really appreciate it.
Hi all. Before I begin, thanks to any of you who are taking time out of your day to read this to help me and give me good advice. I really appreciate it. Here's what I need advice on: I am a 23 year old (in 2 days to be exact) female and am 5'6. I've always been semi- thin, but over the past few years, I have slowly put on pounds. I did work as a waitress and got down to 137 lbs two years ago, then got pregnant and had a baby, leaving me at 160, as of last May. I desperately want to be 130 lbs, which would make me about a size 6. This is ideal for me. Right now, I wear about an 11. Since May of this year, I have been really working out, consistently. I work out about 5 times a week. When I say work out, I mean a mixture of cardio and weights. I typically do a full body workout (given to me by a trainer) about twice a week and the other days I am there, I do cardio for about an hour. This type of activity is much more than I have ever done before in my life. I never consistently worked out before now. I have tried really hard to eat better since I started working out consistently. I only drink water, diet drinks and ocassionally sweet tea. My diet could definitely be better, though. I have my good days and bad. Some days I stay right at 1,000 calories, while others I don't do so well and eat a fast breakfast, like a biscuit and then eat out for lunch and so on. I pretty much always keep a running count of my calories, but food is definitely one downfall to my losing weight. I am very busy so I eat what is easiest to get to and I love to eat out, which I know is very bad. I also tend to gorge at my mother's house when she cooks. She always has cabinets brimming with fatty snacks too that I can't resist. Obviously I have a really hard time dieting, so I usually do extra cardio to try and make up for the extra calories I've had. So, my problem is that I'm not seeing the results that I really want to see. With as much as I work out and do cardio, I've only lost 12 lbs in 3 months. At first, it was slowly coming off, but it has been at a dead standstill at 147 for about 5 weeks now, which is very frustrating. I know that I am gaining muscle which weighs more than fat, but I still think I should be losing more weight than I am. My clothes are fitting a little looser, I feel more toned than I did before I started working out, and my body fat has gone down from 28 to 24, but I still don't have results like I would expect for as hard as I work. My goal is to be where I want by December, and I have been told this is a reasonable goal. I am considering spending a couple hundred dollars on a weight loss clinic to get shots consisting of half lipo-dissolve and half B-12. These are suppose to give you alot of energy and dissolve fat. You can also buy diet pills from this clinic that work with the program to help you lose quickly. I am considering doing the pills too. I will still be watching what I eat and working out while I am on this plan. This seems like my best option for losing the weight that I want to in the time that I want. Otherwise, it seems I will have to eat virtually nothing, stay away from my mother's house ( :( ) and still keep working out all the time to achieve the results I want. Can anyone give me advice on what I should do at this point or tell me what you think of my proposed next step? Thanks a bunch! > Hi all. Before I begin, thanks to any of you who are taking time out > of your day to read this to help me and give me good advice. I really [quoted text clipped - 61 lines] > > Thanks a bunch! The short answer is that you eat too much. Since the body is such an efficient machine, it is very difficult to lose significant weight from increasing your exercise level. You might have to spend 30 min. on a treadmill to get rid of one bite of a fatty food, for example. Calorie control is the key. If some days you only eat 1,000 calories, other days you must be eating 4,000 or more. My guess is that given your size and active lifestyle, you probably burn about 2300 calories per day. If you start counting calories and eat say 1500 calories each and every day....then stop and don't go over that, you will start losing weight again at the rate of about 1 pound per week. dkw "lipo-dissolve" What the hell is that? Your clinic might be run by snake-oil experts. > Hi all. Before I begin, thanks to any of you who are taking time out > of your day to read this to help me and give me good advice. I really [quoted text clipped - 61 lines] > > Thanks a bunch! You haven't heard of lipodissolve yet? Do you live in a cave? > "lipo-dissolve" What the hell is that? > [quoted text clipped - 65 lines] > > > Thanks a bunch! > You haven't heard of lipodissolve yet? Do you live in a cave? That was a rather rude response to a legitimate question. I hadn't heard of it either but did a google and came up with this site. Many of us aren't interested in lipo of any form :) http://www.yourplasticsurgeryguide.com/liposuction/lipo-dissolve.htm >> "lipo-dissolve" What the hell is that? >> [quoted text clipped - 65 lines] >> >> > Thanks a bunch! I'm sorry (Beverly) that you found my response rude, but when I write about 6 paragraphs explaining my situation and a person writes, "What the hell is lipodissolve? Your clinic might be run by snake oil experts," that is much more rude than what I wrote in response. Lipodissolve is a big thing is my city, maybe it's not passed around the rest of the world yet, but I assumed it had because I live in TN. We are usually one of last places to catch onto things. Yes, the link you posted is what I am talking about. It is a non- invasive shot that you are given as much as once a week to dissolve fat underneath the skin. I don't know about anyone else, but in my experience that fat is the hardest to get to vanish. It seems like a pretty good option to me as long as the person isn't depending solely on the shot because obviously she will gain the weight back quickly after the process is over. If she uses the lipodissolve as a jump- start the fat loss process, then maintains it by working out properly and eating properly, I think it's a great idea. > > You haven't heard of lipodissolve yet? Do you live in a cave? > [quoted text clipped - 77 lines] > > >> > Thanks a bunch! > Yes, the link you posted is what I am talking about. It is a non- > invasive shot that you are given as much as once a week to dissolve > fat underneath the skin. And it's a total scam. Don't waste your time or money, and don't insult the group by suggesting that we're somehow a.s backwards for not knowing about it. Most of us have seen a scam just like it somewhere along the way. Eat less. Exercise more. Repeat forever. 12 pounds in three months, by the way, is perfectly fine. A plateau after initial good loss, by the way, is perfectly normal. You need to butch up and continue doing the sensible thing, not give in to some stupid scam. Caves have many advantages. Temperature control can be less expensive and sharing leftovers with bears leaves little cleanup after meals. [/end sarcasm] Thanks to a link provided in the thread I found: "Because different doctors use different ingredients for lipo-dissolve, it is difficult to give a meaningful prediction of results from past procedures. There are no significant studies demonstrating where the medication travels or how it may affect organs, what the proper dosage or ingredient requirement is, the short term side effects, or long-term complications." I had read about a side effect of colagenase that is the dissolving of fat. However, the lipo-dissolve folks do not seem to be using that, and it certainly is far from *approval* for such use. I stopped hoping for treatments like this, when I learned how direct caloric restriction acts, and found that I was comfortable with an Atkins-like approach. > You haven't heard of lipodissolve yet? Do you live in a cave? > [quoted text clipped - 67 lines] >> >> > Thanks a bunch! Thanks for the tips. That's why you get several opinions and not just a few. There is a very well-liked morning talk show guy in Knoxville that seriously talks about lipodissolve about every day. Then there's a new weight loss clinic in my hometown that opened up recently that people my family know are swearing by. They say they feel better, more energized, and they are losing weight. And hey, it never hurts to ask what people think about something like this. I, myself, will probably not be trying it now. And by the way, was not trying to imply that anyone here was "a.s backwards," I was just saying that I'm surprised it hasn't gotten around more because we in Tennessee are usually one of the last to know about things. I was implying that I am "a.s backwards." Shauna, a lot depends on what you are trying to do. You are focussed on getting the weight off fast, but you aren't fixing the root problem - which is that you eat excessive quantitites of the wrong things. If you DON'T change your eating habits for the long haul, you might lose the weight with pills and shots, but you will put it all back on again - and when you get into that groove, iweight not only comes back, it brings its friends with it....so your weight slowly starts to ratchet upwards with every yo-yo. The best results are getting into good habits you can sustain - and if you ask me, some of your exercise routine may not be sustainable either. You are knocking yourself out with exercise, and not dealing at all with the food. You have to control portion size, you have to steer away from the high fat/high carb junk, and you need to up the fruit and veggie quotient. Its not rocket science. You are eating too much, and you need to dial back your intake - permanently, and no, it isn't easy to change habits. You have to run a bigger deficit to lose weight, but in the longer term, essentially you have to plan to eat a little less than you plan to expend daily, so you have a bit of wiggle room (i.e. if you have every single calorie spoken for in the plan - i.e. you know your maintenance calories are 2000 per day and you are planning to eat that much, you will end up gaining since there is no room for occasional unplanned splurge). Mary G. On Aug 17, 11:05 am, Mary_Gor...@tvo.org wrote: > Shauna, a lot depends on what you are trying to do. You are focussed > on getting the weight off fast, but you aren't fixing the root problem [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > Mary G. I agree with your advice....but if someone is to change their eating habits, one habit that is/was extremely important to me was to NEVER splurge in the first place. Once you get to your daily quota, you stop eating. The problem is of course that if you allow yourself to "cheat" even once, then you do it over again and again. I suppose there are rare folks who overeat only at Thanksgiving and thier birthday, for example, but much more commonly is a lot of splurging...followed by feeling guilty, followed by starving yourself, excessive work outs to try to offset your indulgence, or the outright ending of your diet. This is a kind of eating disorder, IMO, so I won't allow myself to do it. Overweight people do not have good mechanisms to tell them when they should be full and stop eating, so in that way, the extra calories you get from overeating are STILL NOT ENOUGH. Once your recognize this, it makes it easier to never do it. As an analogy, how many people only cheat on their spouses once in a great while. They do it a lot or not at all. Same idea. You also feel guilty, remorseful, a failure, and out of control....and you go and do it again. Just don't even go there. NO SPLURGING ever. That's my 2 cents anyway. dkw dkw said NO SPLURGING ever. That's my 2 cents anyway. Mary responds: I didn't express myself properly - what I meant by splurge....was budgetting calories to allow the occasional spontaneous little treat - so you have enough "give" to have a little frozen yoghurt if the whole family is at the beach and decides to go for it, or have a nibble of cake when its someone's birthday at the office. I didn't mean going on a total blow out bender. I've been maintaining about 3 years now, and if I have can't EVER have a spontaneous and unplanned for treat, I end up feeling deprived, particularly in social situations. I do keep them small, but because I make my eating plan run about 100-200 calories lighter than I need for maintenance daily, I have that little bit of freedom to let me have an unplanned biscuit when you take me out for a coffee! M. On Aug 18, 3:52 am, Mary_Gor...@tvo.org wrote: > dkw said NO SPLURGING ever. That's my 2 cents anyway. > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > M. That works. dkw > Hi all. Before I begin, thanks to any of you who are taking time out > of your day to read this to help me and give me good advice. I really [quoted text clipped - 61 lines] > > Thanks a bunch! Hi, You sound really frustrated and discouraged. I would like to help you. Please visit my website at loseweightnowtips.com and check out my story. I am in the process of developing the site but there is information that can get you started. Also please feel free to e-mail me at georgene@loseweightnowtips.com. It sounds as though your metabolism has changed due to age, too low of calorie intake and hormones associated with the baby. I am not a big advocate of fads. Many are unsafe and very costly. I look forward to hearing from you, Georgene Dana Collins I Care Because I've Been There So it sounds like I should stick to around 1500 and make a daily effort to stick to that and not go over. Will a person still lose 1 lb a week while doing weight training 2-3 times a week? I know muscle weighs more than fat, so I just want to make sure I am striving for a realistic goal here and not expecting to lose weight when actually I should be staying the same because of muscle gain. Also, can any of you give me tips on how to keep from going over 1500 calories a day? I have tried a food log and that wore off. I don't keep it anymore. Maybe I'll try keeping it on here, so I can get a spat on the hand when I eat bad stuff or go over my limit. One big problem is I love to go out to eat and I can never resist the free appetizers, like the bread, chips and salsa, etc. I know that if I took my lunch to work everyday or went to subway over going out to eat, I would be saving many calories, but who wants to sit at work and eat a packed lunch and not get out of the office for an hour?? It's really hard to find the motivation to just sit at work for an hour and eat a crappy meal to save the calories. I also need tips on how I can go to my mother's house in the evening to pick up my son when she is cooking a really good meal and not over-eat. I have tried eating before I go there, so that I'm not hungry when I'm there, but I still can never resist eating something there because she has so much good stuff, so then I end up having even more calories. I will really try my best to eat fewer calories and see how the results go. Thanks for the help. :) Shauhnathan, I hate to sound negative, but this is not going to work unless you commit. Think about what Yoda says...There is no "try", there is only DO. You are looking for a way out of change - even short term change - to get the desired effect, and sorry, that is just not possible - we all wish it weren't so, but it IS hard, but there is no escape. You have to change. You are doomed to fail before you start if you don't get your head around that reality. If you are struggling with this at 23, you'll be in deep by middle age, unless you take the steps now to avert. Start keeping your food log again. Pack a lunch and go for a walk instead of going out and eating crap. Buy yourself a little scale (here is a sample of a pretty good one for very little money http://www.thekitchenstore.com/). If you have to, take it with you to your mom's and weigh your darned portion so you don't load up your plate. Mary G. On Aug 18, 7:33 am, Mary_Gor...@tvo.org wrote: >If you are struggling > with this at 23, you'll be in deep by middle age, unless you take the > steps now to avert. What she said. Another young woman here, who was around your age and weight, said she couldn't imagine ever getting up to a really obese weight like I'd once been at (my all-time high was at least 275); she just had to worry about her extra 15-20 stubborn pounds. Well, here's what happens: I was 135 lbs. at age 20. At 54 I was 275. So I gained 140 lbs. in 34 years. That comes out to about 4 lbs/year. Not such a lot, huh? That's an extra 14,000 calories PER YEAR over what I would have needed to maintain my weight. That's a whopping extra 38 calories per day -- maybe 1/4 of a breadstick :-). Obesity happens because you don't do anything about the little problem before it becomes a big problem. Think about this. Chris 262/130s/130w > So it sounds like I should stick to around 1500 and make a daily > effort to stick to that and not go over. Will a person still lose 1 lb [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Thanks for the help. :) Yes. Muscle does weigh more than fat, but you will still lose weight on the 1500 cal/day. For one thing, you'll lose fat quickly, but muscle builds much more slowly. Also, no matter what, you will also lose a little muscle while on the diet. If you do the 1500 cal, it shouldn't be significant, but there will be some muscle loss along with the fat. People who diet have extra proteins in their blood that comes from the muscle breakdown, is how they know. The biggest pitfall is that you might not carefully count calories. If you aren't religious about it, it is very easy to get an extra 200-300 calories too..... just a few cookies that you conveniently forget about, or fudging on portion sizes, or just guessing about caloric content, etc. I've been there and done that (lots of times) and perhaps you have too. NO CHEATING and good luck. Let me know when you reach your goal. Actually you can pretty much determine that: there are 3500 cal in 1 pound. At 1500 cal you are undereating by about 500 cal per day (since we estimated probably very accurately that you are presently burning 2300 cal per day. 3500 divided by 500 = 7 days to lose one pound. Initially you might lose even little more, but it would most likely be water and temporary. As your weight decreases, so does the 500 calories though and for a couple of reasons: 1) Your body recognizes you are starving yourself (relatively speaking of course) so it becomes a little more efficient getting extra work out of those calories you are eating and 2) You burn fewer calories as your weight decreases. A really big person burns more calories walking for 1 mile at 4 mph than a thin person. Here the fat person AND the thin person is YOU. Because of these mathematical changes, you might want to re- estimate your needed calories after a month or so, especially if you are losing a little more or less than you expected, but I think it will work like clockwork for at least 3 months and by then you'll be down 12 pounds and at least one size clothes smaller..maybe even 2 sizes. Good luck. dkw > So it sounds like I should stick to around 1500 and make a daily > effort to stick to that and not go over. Will a person still lose 1 lb > a week while doing weight training 2-3 times a week? Well, I lost 130 lbs (at an average rate of about 6 lbs/month) while weight training 4-5 times a week :-). > Also, can any of you give me tips on how to keep from going over 1500 > calories a day? I have tried a food log and that wore off. I don't > keep it anymore. Well, that's just because you gave up on it. I kept a food log for 4 1/2 years. (Incidentally, I generally targeted about 1600 calories per day, but by the time I got down to what you weigh I was doing more like 1400 while I was continuing to try to lose, then back up to around 1600 for maintenance. But I'm a whole lot older than you and almost surely have a slower metabolism for that reason.) >I know that if I > took my lunch to work everyday or went to subway over going out to > eat, I would be saving many calories, but who wants to sit at work and > eat a packed lunch and not get out of the office for an hour?? It's > really hard to find the motivation to just sit at work for an hour and > eat a crappy meal to save the calories. Well, why do you suppose the lunch you took to work would be "crappy"? What's crappy is the breadsticks and stuff you're eating at the restaurants. I really loved the big salads I took to work for lunch. And think about getting out for a walk or a run at lunchtime. (Running works best if you have a shower at the office or a good way to cool off afterward :-).) >I also need tips on how I can > go to my mother's house in the evening to pick up my son when she is > cooking a really good meal and not over-eat. I have tried eating > before I go there, so that I'm not hungry when I'm there, but I still > can never resist eating something there because she has so much good > stuff, so then I end up having even more calories. Well, I think you know the real answer to all this. You just don't have the commitment or discipline to control what you're eating. You say you can't do it, but of course you can. You just don't want to. At some point you're going to have to get serious about it if you hope to lose weight. And keep in mind that you're setting an example for your son. If you eat junk all the time, so will he. Chris 262/130s/130s I'm actually fairly good about not eating junk food. I am bad at portion control. I love healthy food and I could eat it all day, but I tend to eat what's most convenient because of my busy lifestyle. I'm getting better though, thanks to some great advice from this forum. I am going to contine to keep my food log on here and I think that's going to help too. I feel like it holds me accountable. > > So it sounds like I should stick to around 1500 and make a daily > > effort to stick to that and not go over. Will a person still lose 1 lb [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > Chris > 262/130s/130s > I'm actually fairly good about not eating junk food. I am bad at > portion control. I love healthy food and I could eat it all day, but I [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] > > - Show quoted text - That's exactly why I do it -- accountability! Chris > Also, can any of you give me tips on how to keep from going over 1500 > calories a day? I have tried a food log and that wore off. I don't > keep it anymore. Butch the hell up. Seriously. Nothing's going to work if you keep quitting. http://www.fitday.com I am not and will never be "butch." I know I have to be more serious about some things, but I don't need your attitude. I am here for moral support, not for rude comments. Thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!! On Aug 19, 10:16 am, dhrr...@ohatzhapu.bet (The Queen of Cans and Jars) wrote: > > Also, can any of you give me tips on how to keep from going over 1500 > > calories a day? I have tried a food log and that wore off. I don't [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > http://www.fitday.com > I am not and will never be "butch." > > I know I have to be more serious about some things, but I don't need > your attitude. I am here for moral support, not for rude comments. If you don't think someone telling you to stop whining and get your act together is support, you aren't going to last very long here. While some of the regulars are less blunt than I am, they're still not the type to hold your hand and baby you along. "Butch up" doesn't have anything to do with "being butch." It means suck it the hell up and start acting like an adult who has control over the choices she makes, and it's some of the best advice you'll ever get when it comes to losing weight. It seems to me that you can't stick to a set calorie intake by counting calories each day. My advice is don't bother. Eat 5 meals per day no more than 3 hours apart. Each meal should have 30g approx of protein (fish, chicken, turkey, egg white, lean beef or cottage cheese). The rest of your plate should be full of salad or vegetables and nothing else. You will find it difficult to eat too many calories this way; it is very healthy and will kick your metabolism into shape. Every 3 days add a large potato or some pasta to one of these meals only. Make it the first meal after your exercise. Once a week have 2 meals with the added carbs again after exercise. See that you exercise virtually everyday for about 30 minutes but make it hard exercise, which should get out of breath. Try this for 3 weeks and you will see and feel real results. I can recommend a great resource to use if you wish. Good luck > It seems to me that you can't stick to a set calorie intake by > counting calories each day. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Good luck Your recommendation is very general and good diets and exercise routine might include nothing you mention and also the specifics you mention will definely NOT work for lots of people. If it works for you, that is the main thing though. There are lots of good ways to diet and maintain weight and muscle tone and health, I think. dkw Thank you DKW and Fred for the really good tips! After tonight, I am definitely going to watch my calories much better. Today was my birthday, so I had some delicious birthday cake tonight, so I'm sure I went over my calorie count. The thing is for me, since I am now working out alot, plus am somewhat conscious of the calories I'm eating, I am doing much more than I ever have in the past, and it's showing. People are noticing my weight loss that haven't seen me in a while, which I am stoked about. If I were to keep doing exactly what I am doing, I would slowly, slowly lose what I want to lose, I think, but I definitely want to lose it faster than it's going now. I am definitely going to be more diligent about the calorie thing. You guys are awesome to give such good advice. Thanks so much. <3 > I am a 23 year old (in 2 days to be exact) female and am 5'6. I've > always been semi- thin, but over the past few years, I have slowly put > on pounds. I did work as a waitress and got down to 137 lbs two years > ago, then got pregnant and had a baby, leaving me at 160, as of last > May. A woman's figure improves permanently when she has her first child. It includes some changes in bone structure. Call it around 5-10 pounds above your pre-baby reasonable low. So now it is realistic to expect that your new ideal weight is in the range of 142-148. > I desperately want to be 130 lbs, which would make me about a size 6. > This is ideal for me. It is no longer your ideal weight. In the movie Gone with the Wind after Scarlet O'Hara gave birth she insisted that she could have her figure and her baby both. More than just the local culture passed in Gone with the Wind. So I think your goal is 12-18 pounds below your new ideal weight. You could get there but it would set you up for unending unrelenting hunger. Not maintainable and of questionable health value. > Right now, I wear about an 11. Since May of this > year, I have been really working out, consistently. I work out about 5 [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > about an hour. This type of activity is much more than I have ever > done before in my life. I never consistently worked out before now. Most excellent. > I have tried really hard to eat better since I started working out > consistently. I only drink water, diet drinks and ocassionally sweet > tea. I'm a low carber so I cringe at the thought of sweet tea, but that's me not you ... > My diet could definitely be better, though. I have my good days > and bad. Some days I stay right at 1,000 calories, Let's work the numbers a bit. At a target weight of 142-148 your maintenance calorie count could be 1500 or a bit below that. Loss work best at about 500 calorie deficit - Cut more and the body changes its hormone balances to reduce resting metabolism (commonly called "starvation mode"). At 1000 calories you have selected just the right target intake. Good job. > while others I > don't do so well and eat a fast breakfast, like a biscuit and then eat [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > house when she cooks. She always has cabinets brimming with fatty > snacks too that I can't resist. One day off plan isn't a problem unless it erodes your resolve. Calories work best when viewed with a weekly average anyways. Average it out and see how close you are to 1000 by the end of the week. > Obviously I have a really hard time dieting, Who doesn't. > so I usually do extra > cardio to try and make up for the extra calories I've had. Cardio is good stuff, but it is very hard to work out enough to make up for even one piece of chocolate cake. > So, my problem is that I'm not seeing the results that I really want > to see. Partially because you have selected an unrealistic goal. > I've only lost 12 lbs in 3 months. Consider - Folks who've managed to keep it off 5+ years tended to lose it at a pound a week. So your loss rate so far has been ideal. Has there ever been a dieter in history satisfied with realistic ideal loss rates? Probably not. But is your loss rate ideal? Absolutely. And since nothing is wrong there is no need for you to consider fixing that which is not broken. > At first, it was slowly coming off, but it has been > at a dead standstill at 147 for about 5 weeks now, which is very > frustrating. A lesson from Dr Atkins that really applies across the board - The last 10 pounds is supposed to be lost very slowly. Also he defined a stall as 4+ weeks without a new low and also without a lost inch (wanna bet you're smaller in those 5 weeks so you really aren't stalled?). Add these together and it comes out the last 10 pounds should take about a year. Since you are now 6 pounds from the bottom of my suggested goal range, you should expect realistically to lose a pound a month now. So you may not like your current progress (no dieter ever does) but you are doing just fine. > My clothes are fitting a little looser, I feel more toned than I did Consider why Dr Atkins defined a stall in terms of both new lows and also lost inches. Anyone with small amounts to lose (under a hundred) is probably trying to lose size if they really think about it. Weight is just an easily measured but not particularly accurate side effect of size. > before I started working out, and my body fat has gone down from 28 to > 24, Good progress. More toning to go to edge it down farther. > My goal is to be where I want by December, and I have been > told this is a reasonable goal. I disagree. How qualified is the person who told you that? Note that I'm just some guy posting on UseNet so I don't have any formal qualifications either. But how much is your wish to achieve the unreasonable in the face of your already ideal progress? > I am considering spending a couple hundred dollars on a weight loss > clinic to get shots consisting of half lipo-dissolve and half B-12. Scam alert. > These are suppose to give you alot of energy and dissolve fat. The B-12 will increase energy. Nothing wrong with that part of it but you're a lot younger than the typical menopausal woman who gets B-12 shots. > You can > also buy diet pills from this clinic that work with the program to > help you lose quickly. I am considering doing the pills too. Let's see. Ideal realistic progress so nothing is wrong so any change would be fixing something not broken. Combined with reinforced unrealistic expectations. Combined with an offer to buy pills. Check. What say you just send me the check instead? I won't BS you about pills. > > I am a 23 year old (in 2 days to be exact) female and am 5'6. I've > > always been semi- thin, but over the past few years, I have slowly put [quoted text clipped - 144 lines] > buy pills. Check. What say you just send me the check > instead? I won't BS you about pills. Here is a website that gives some guidelines for height. http://www.halls.md/ideal-weight/body.htm I punched in 23 years old, female, and 66 inches and got a medical recommendation of 118-155 when I punched in her previous wt. of 137. According to this site, it is not unrealistic to set 137 as a goal. I don't know about 1000 calories though. That seems too few. Many nutritionists recommend no fewer than 1200 calories. The 1500 calories you estimate she burns also seems too low according to what I've read. I would guess it to be closer to 2,000 caloies or a little more given her exercise level. Of course it is academic, because she can easily determine her maintenance calories if she keeps good records of calories consumed and keeps her present exercise schedule. I think she would lose the weight at a reasonable rate at 1200 cal per day. 1000 cal a day wouldn't kill her, and she might opt for real quick results like many people who make up their minds to lose wt. The experts say that isn't the best way, but I certainly did starve myself initially to get quick results....and I was able to eventually adjust to a reasonable maintenance diet and exercise. The side effects for me of serious dieting were sweating a lot, sleeping poorly and dreaming about food, being freezing cold a lot of the time, and grouchy. Heck, I'm still grouchy, so I guess the last one doesn't count. dkw wow, so the site said 118-155? whew I can't imagine being 118. I would be all bone! But my goal is 130. I may make it a little higher because 130 really might be too much to lose for me. As of this morning, I am at 143.6 so I've lost a couple pounds very recently, probably due to eating fewer calories. some people are telling me they can really tell I've lost alot and one person today told me I shouldn't go overboard and that I look great as I am now. But, I was about the same height in high school and I weighed about 130 my sophomore year and wore about a size 6. It steadily increased from there. Now I'd like to be back in a 6. I think a 6 is a reasonable size for me. It's average. I think I would be about 130 to be in a 6. Interesting though, Doug, that you said a woman's bone structure changes so she shouldn't try to go back to the previous ideal weight, pre-baby. I hadn't ever heard that, but it's possible that I could look too thin at 130 now. About the clinic, I had pretty much already decided to nixay that plan. I would hate to hear in 10 years that it was causing cancer and since it is so new, you never know. I am going to keep going the same, old-fashioned way- diet and exercise. I mean, you're right, it IS working and why fix it if it isn't broken. I'll keep you all updated if you'd like, unless I am boring you to death. ;) > wow, so the site said 118-155? whew I can't imagine being 118. I would > be all bone! But my goal is 130. I may make it a little higher because [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > I'll keep you all updated if you'd like, unless I am boring you to > death. ;) Ya, most women would look and be too thin at 118, but remember this guideline is based on health and longevity, so it includes people who are genetically very small-framed, perhaps like some of the fashion models. What I did was keep reevaluating my goal as I got closer to it. Actually, I started wanting to be 155, my high school wrestling weight, but once I got there, I decided to lose some more. You can see how you feel and look when you are nearing your goal. What happened to me was since I had to dramatically change my routine, it became much easier to continue working out and permanently eating much less. Had I set 135 as an initial goal, that would have seemed unrealistic even to me, but I really like it down here. I wouldn't be surprised if you decided to go on to 130 and then even 125 once you get there. I'm retired with time on my hands though, and I never was so successful with my many diets when I was working...pressure from work, my wife's cooking, business meetings, not so much time to work out, etc....all flimsy excuses now that I look back on them, since many people work a lot harder than I did and manage to do it, but that's what I usually attributed my yo-yoing to. dkw > > I am a 23 year old (in 2 days to be exact) female and am 5'6. I've > > always been semi- thin, but over the past few years, I have slowly put [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > unending unrelenting hunger. Not maintainable and of > questionable health value. -----------------------Very interesting! > > Right now, I wear about an 11. Since May of this > > year, I have been really working out, consistently. I work out about 5 [quoted text clipped - 60 lines] > ideal? Absolutely. And since nothing is wrong there is no need > for you to consider fixing that which is not broken. -----------------------Good point. I just have to keep telling myself that it's better to come off slowly- more likely to stay off. > > At first, it was slowly coming off, but it has been > > at a dead standstill at 147 for about 5 weeks now, which is very [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > achieve the unreasonable in the face of your already ideal > progress? -------------------------------------The guy that told me that was a personal trainer at my gym- The Rush. and he wasn't saying that in particular about the weight goal, but he was saying that a goal of a body fat percentage of 20 could be accomplished by December if I continued to work hard. And I think I will be around 130, maybe a few pounds more when I get to 20 for body fat. > > I am considering spending a couple hundred dollars on a weight loss > > clinic to get shots consisting of half lipo-dissolve and half B-12. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > buy pills. Check. What say you just send me the check > instead? I won't BS you about pills. Shaunathan, You are doing a great job of starting to control your weight. Maybe you want to re-examine some of your goals and, in my opion, definately chagne your use of adjectives. What you weigh in the next few months- how important is that? I mean, compared with how much you weigh 2 year from now. Or 3 years from now? Or 10 years from now? I try to get people to look at 5 year spaces. That is pretty much how people gain weight: 2 or 3 lbs a year. Then one year they gain 6 pounds and suddenly they are fat comparted with 5 years ago. Those 6 lb years seem to come every 5 years. People say "losing weight isn't easy" They are lying. Not delberately, no. Those lies will make you fat, though. What I mean is: Keeping the weight (that you have already lost) off is HARD. Losing weight is easy. Losing weight AGAIN after re-gaining it and *then* trying to keep it off? HARD HARD HARD, Losing weight is VERY easy. *Controlling your weight* is maybe what you want as a goal. You might not want to make "the easy part" easier or faster at the expense of the hard part. Take it slowly. Be good to yourself. > With as much as I work out and do cardio, I've only lost 12 > lbs in 3 months. That word "ONLY" ? ? That word "only" is an expensive word. Do you want to pay the price for using taht word? You have lost 12 pounds. People notice. Trust me, if you are 23 and some people SAY they noticed, there are guys that are noticing your figure. Only the way they might express it is "Hello! How ya doing?" > At first, it was slowly coming off, You are losing weight at a rate of a pound and a half a week for 8 weeks. That's 75 lbs a year. That is 375 lbs over 5 years. FAST. You are losing weight fast. Not "slowly." You are only losing weight "slowly" if you don't care what you weigh two years from now. You are working out hard. Do you think you could stay motivated to work out this hard if you aren't losing weight from it? Like "I won't workout if it won't help me lose wt?"? I ask because in 6 months, in a year, in 2 years, in 5 years, you will need to work out to maintain a slender weight. If your workouts are so hard that you need to be losing weight to motivate yourself to workout? That is a road to "having to relosing the weight you regained when you stopped working out." Ouch. Ouch. Ouch. You might want to figure out how much you want workouts to be part of your life. If you are successful at weight loss, you will have to watch your eating and exercise when you are no longer losing weight. Find physical activities (volleyball? Swing dancing? winning races?) that will reward you for working out, when you are done losing weight. People lose weight and then say "Mission accomplished." (You have heard that phrase, yes?) When you are done losing is when the hard work STARTS.. Be patient with yourself during this part. There are plenty of things that will make the weight loss faster - but they will make the hard work harder, too. Think a lot about what you can live with for a decade or two. Michael (Just finished 6 months "re-losing." Looking at the hard part now.) "Gving up smoking is easy, I've done it dozens of times" Mark Twain. > but it has been > at a dead standstill at 147 for about 5 weeks now, which is very [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > I work. My goal is to be where I want by December, and I have been > told this is a reasonable goal. |
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