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Against fat supplements, including Omega 3

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dkw12002@yahoo.com - 25 Aug 2007 23:08 GMT
There is some evidence that omega 3 helps protect the heart. There is
also evidence that, since it is a fat, basically what might be helping
is bringing the mix of omega 3 more in line with the omega 6 found in
vegetable oils, which is a staple of the American diet. It might be
just as beneficial or more so, to limit your total fat in the first
place.

A few days ago, I mentioned how people really don't need to seek fat
for their diet, and insufficient essential fatty acids in a diet is
rare. In fact, it apparently only has occurs in people who can't
digest fat. Why? Fat is in all foods...skim milk, grapes, oats, wheat,
lettuce, etc. Not much of course, but enough to get the essential
fatty acids even on a vegan diet.

Flax is considered by some almost a miracle food additive, but the
benefits of flax might be related to it's high fiber content, not the
omega 3 in it. Fiber can help carry away cholesterol and other fats,
thus lowering BP and cholesterol and presumably the risk of heart
disease and stroke, not to mention the protection that may occur to
defend against colon cancer. If its the fiber at play, you could just
avoid the extra fat in flax seed. Of course there is no fiber in omega
3 oils, whether they are made from flax or anything else.

The jury is still out on whether extra omega 3 is helpful, IMO. I eat
a high fiber, vegetarian diet. I estimate that I get 10-12% of my 2000
cal a day from fat, while purposely avoiding any and all fats except
those in whole grain. My cholesterol, BP and weight are low. I also
exercise moderately 6X a week.

Here is a good general article on very low fat diets:
http://www.fatfree.com/FAQ/fatfree-faq

dkw
Mal - 27 Aug 2007 05:44 GMT
> There is some evidence that omega 3 helps protect the heart. There is
> also evidence that, since it is a fat, basically what might be helping
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Gotta disagree a bit. I found that the only thing I was lacking in my
food intake was Omega 3 fatty acid - I don't eat much fish. The Omega 3
is needed to uptake some fat soluble vitamins and is a basic building
block, tying together sugars for digestion etc.

So the only supplement I take is a capsule of fish oil a day. Of course
we get plenty of Omega 6 without supplementing and the ratio of 3 to 6
is important. The UK government says 3 times the 6 relative to the 3,
but I have seen recommendations of up to 7 times as much.

Anyway, the link was very informative - thanks.

Mal
dkw12002@yahoo.com - 27 Aug 2007 12:20 GMT
> dkw12...@yahoo.com wrote:
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Well that makes for a lot of fat especially when added to dietary fat,
but many people agree with you that it's a good idea. I would worry
about mercury in the fish oil and would buy flax seed and grind it up
in a coffee grinder just before using it. That way you get the added
fiber as well. Plus, I'm vegetarian and wouldn't want the fish oil for
that reason. dkw
loomy - 29 Aug 2007 10:17 GMT
On Aug 27, 8:20 am, "dkw12...@yahoo.com" <dkw12...@yahoo.com> wrote:

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> fiber as well. Plus, I'm vegetarian and wouldn't want the fish oil for
> that reason. dkw

Plants like flax have at least one order of magnitude less omega 3
potency than a similar sized dose of fish or a fish oil supplement.  I
forget the exact values, but basically flax is all ALA, which your
body uses 5-10 units of to make one unit of EPA, which your body then
needs 5-10 units of which to make one unit of DHA, which is the
compound that is used all over the place in your body.  So you'd need
to eat fields of flax crops in order to get close to what I can get in
a daily cap of omega 3 from fish.

Also note that omega 3 supplements processed from fish specifically
have the mercury REMOVED.  So if you're worried about mercury,
processed fish oil supplements are actually better for you than the
real fish.
dkw12002@yahoo.com - 29 Aug 2007 16:42 GMT
> On Aug 27, 8:20 am, "dkw12...@yahoo.com" <dkw12...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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Yes, I read up on it and you are right. Flax is rich in omega 3 oils
but 55% of it is ALA and only 2-5% of that ALA gets converted to DHA
in your body, so if you want the DHA, fish oil sounds like the way to
go.

It does seem strange though that originally the connection was that
certain mediteranian cultures who eat fish once or twice a week had
lower risk of heart attack. It just doesn't seem like they would be
getting all that much omega 3. I'm suspicious. The entire differences
could be from other things....like race or culture or something else
altogether, but I agree that taking the omega 3 supplements might be a
good idea. I'm not at all sure of the amount though. dkw
Mal - 30 Aug 2007 01:45 GMT
>> On Aug 27, 8:20 am, "dkw12...@yahoo.com" <dkw12...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> altogether, but I agree that taking the omega 3 supplements might be a
> good idea. I'm not at all sure of the amount though. dkw

A little off the the subject here, but didn't you (dkw) say in an
earlier post that you eat prodigious amounts of oatmeal [or was it
grits?] Anyway, read up on purines if you haven't already. Chris
mentioned once that they are present in grains (although more so in
animal organs which wouldn't bother a vegetarian.) Anyway, excess
purines give you gout & gallstones and tear up the joints with spiky
uric acid crystals. I think if I was a vegetarian, I would be concerned
about purines. BTW if you do suffer the above at any time - drink 1/4
cup of lemon juice a couple of times a day. Cured my dad of gallstones.
It was recommended by a family friend surgeon who was quite embarrassed
to be recommending what could be construed as a homeopathic remedy. The
guy was right though. These days MD's are usually more enlightened and
the good ones don't hesitate to tell you about non medicinal treatments.

Mal
dkw12002@yahoo.com - 30 Aug 2007 04:33 GMT
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Thanks, I didn't know that about oats, etc. I eat a lot of oats and
whole wheat...well 4 or more servings a day of each. Far as I know, I
don't have a problem with purines, no gall stones, kidney stones,
joint problems, etc. I know there are purines in asparagus, shellfish
and organ meats, in fact most meat, but I didn't know it about grains.
I did hear about the lemon juice though. dkw
 
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