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CNN:  Teacher loses 120 pounds, drops seven dress sizes

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Kelly - 16 Feb 2008 15:16 GMT
http://www.cnn.com/2008/HEALTH/diet.fitness/02/14/weightloss.tracey.wygal/i
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Story Highlights

* Teacher Tracey Wygal was morbidly obese when she weighed 295 pounds

* A doctor prescribed a 1,600-calorie-a-day diet and exercise

* Wygal started eating clean, keeping a food diary and working out at home

* Eventually she joined a gym, hired a personal trainer and lost 120 pounds

By Jackie Adams
CNN

MARTINSBURG, West Virginia (CNN) -- Hardly a day that goes by that you
won't find Tracey Wygal working out at the gym.

The 30-year-old middle-school teacher does cardio exercise, strength trains
and follows what she calls a "clean diet."

That's quite a change for a woman who tipped the scales eight years ago at
295 pounds.

Wygal first started gaining weight in her early teens. A fast-food diet and
little to no exercise helped her pack on the pounds, and her weight
ballooned to over 200 pounds.

"It was my first year out of college, and that number, along with being
diagnosed as morbidly obese, was very frightening," remembers Wygal. "I
went to several doctors, trying to get them to prescribe a weight-loss
pill."

But none of her doctors would give her the quick fix she was looking for.
Instead, a physician handed her a 1,600-calorie-a-day diet and told her to
start moving.

At first, Wygal was shocked and refused to begin a diet that she thought
was too restrictive. Even though her weight was rapidly approaching 300
pounds, she believed she had a pretty good diet and an active lifestyle.

As her weight crept up, Wygal grew more frustrated, and eventually she
decided it was time to gain control of her life.

She started by keeping track of her daily calorie intake in a food diary
and soon realized that her eating was worse than she thought. Watch more
from Tracey Wygal on her weight loss success. »

"I was amazed by how many calories I was eating," Wygal said. "The food
diary showed me that I really needed to get my food intake under control
and helped me maintain my diet realistically."

She also started exercising.

At first, Wygal says, she was too embarrassed to go to a gym, so she bought
an elliptical machine and started working out 15 minutes a day in her
apartment.

"It was all I could do at first. I didn't give up, though," she said.
"Gradually, my endurance improved. After losing about 30 pounds, I decided
to join a small gym."

Several months later, Wygal was ready to take the next step. She hired a
trainer and began a short strength-training program.

That's when something clicked.

Instead of feeling intimidated, Wygal started to love her workouts and the
physical changes taking shape with her body. Ready to take the next step,
she joined a larger gym, began researching different workouts and got into
weight training.

Over the next three years, she lost 120 pounds and dropped seven dress
sizes. Wygal, who's 5 feet 10 inches tall, says the fear of gaining weight
motivates her to stick to her diet and exercise regimen because she never
wants to look like she did at 295 pounds.

Now comfortable with her weight, which she says fluctuates between 170 and
180 pounds, Wygal works out at least five to six days a week. She says the
key to losing weight and keeping it off is being honest about what you eat,
writing it down and staying consistent. She wants people to know they can
do it, but there are no quick fixes or easy outs -- just hard work.

"It won't happen overnight," Wygal advises. "Know that it will take time
but it is worth it in the end."
Cheese Wheels - 16 Feb 2008 16:52 GMT
>Over the next three years, she lost 120 pounds and dropped seven dress
>sizes. Wygal, who's 5 feet 10 inches tall, says the fear of gaining weight
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>Now comfortable with her weight, which she says fluctuates between 170 and
>180 pounds, Wygal works out at least five to six days a week.

@ 5 FOOT 10 INCHES AND 180 LBS she is overweight.
Twisted Sister - 16 Feb 2008 18:19 GMT
"Cheese Wheels" <> @ 5 FOOT 10 INCHES AND 180 LBS she is overweight.

She is still a disgusting fat pig-hog. Her students should be spared the
cow-dog.
listen2me88@gmail.com - 16 Feb 2008 18:31 GMT
On Feb 16, 1:19�pm, "Twisted Sister" <weRnotGonnaTak...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> "Cheese Wheels" <> @ 5 FOOT 10 INCHES AND 180 LBS she is overweight.
>
> She is still a disgusting fat pig-hog. Her students should be spared the
> cow-dog.

^^ shes actually not a fat cow at all buddy , she might be a little
chubby , she's it she get to 160 she would have a sick body. she's
tall , so 170 isnt that bad if she was 5'2 then yea she is obese
Curt - 16 Feb 2008 22:56 GMT
On Feb 16, 1:31 pm, listen2m...@gmail.com wrote:
[...]

> she might be a little
> chubby , she's it she get to 160 she would have a sick body. she's
> tall , so 170 isnt that bad if she was 5'2 then yea she is obese

No doubt. Height is a big factor. I worked with a waitress who was 6
feet tall and 160 and looked positively skinny.

And I met the teacher at a bodybuilding contest in Maryland and she is
anything but obese. She's beautiful, smart, and fit.

--
Stromata - 16 Feb 2008 22:40 GMT
> "Cheese Wheels" <> @ 5 FOOT 10 INCHES AND 180 LBS she is overweight.
>>
> She is still a disgusting fat pig-hog. Her students should be spared
> the cow-dog.

Bullshit, she looks very sexy in her "after" picture.
Lady Veteran - 17 Feb 2008 00:07 GMT
>"Cheese Wheels" <> @ 5 FOOT 10 INCHES AND 180 LBS she is overweight.
>>
>She is still a disgusting fat pig-hog. Her students should be spared the
>cow-dog.

Nice try, brain stem. What have you contributed to the world lately
besides hiding in a newsgroup?

LV

PS: you take it if you dish it out and you will like it.

"I rode a tank and held a general's rank
When the blitzkrieg raged and the bodies stank."

---Sympathy for the Devil-The Rolling Stones
--------------------------------------------
"A fanatic cannot change his mind and will not
change the subject."

---Winston Churchill
----------------------------------------------
Avenger - 18 Feb 2008 04:08 GMT
>>"Cheese Wheels" <> @ 5 FOOT 10 INCHES AND 180 LBS she is overweight.
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> "I rode a tank and held a general's rank

Your fat arse couldn't fit through the trapdoor of a tank.

> When the blitzkrieg raged and the bodies stank."

Fat people always stink. It's all that sweat and dirt trapped between the
rolls of fat.
Lady Veteran - 19 Feb 2008 00:31 GMT
>>>"Cheese Wheels" <> @ 5 FOOT 10 INCHES AND 180 LBS she is overweight.
>>>>
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
>Your fat arse couldn't fit through the trapdoor of a tank.

Prove it, brain stem. My fat a.s fits in a F-16 pilot's ejection seat.
That is SEVENTEEN inches across. Stick that up your a.s.

>> When the blitzkrieg raged and the bodies stank."
>
>Fat people always stink. It's all that sweat and dirt trapped between the
>rolls of fat.

I say better stinky than stupid any day.

LV

"I rode a tank and held a general's rank
When the blitzkrieg raged and the bodies stank."

---Sympathy for the Devil-The Rolling Stones
--------------------------------------------
"A fanatic cannot change his mind and will not
change the subject."

---Winston Churchill
----------------------------------------------
The Masster - 16 Feb 2008 18:50 GMT
>>Over the next three years, she lost 120 pounds and dropped seven dress
>>sizes. Wygal, who's 5 feet 10 inches tall, says the fear of gaining weight
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
>@ 5 FOOT 10 INCHES AND 180 LBS she is overweight.

She was perfect before she lost the weight.  Thin women make me want to
puke.  I wanked off to her 'before' picture on the web site.  ;-)
The Master - 18 Feb 2008 18:17 GMT
> Date: 16 Feb 2008 18:50:18 -0000
> From: The Masster <retard@nospam.sdf.lonestar.org.nospam>

OMG!  I have my own name troll?  YEAH!!!!  I am so honored.

I want to thank all the people who came before me.  Ranger, LV, and the
rest who have been given the honor of a name troll.  When I discovered
this group, I was given the chance to stand up to bigotry, up against
those who discriminate based on weight.  My courage has shown a light
through the fog, so other people of size can learn to accept themselves.

And today, I am given the greates honor the size bashers can give, a name
troll.  It validates all my hard work and dedication.  Thank you again, so
much.

> She was perfect before she lost the weight.  Thin women make me want to
> puke.  I wanked off to her 'before' picture on the web site.  ;-)

5 foot 10 at 300 lbs, actually yes that sounds very sexy.  But I didn't
look at the URL, so I cannot say exactly how sexy I found her before pic.
However, most likely, yes I would find the before pic more attractive.

As a name troll, you sort of suck...
Lady Veteran - 19 Feb 2008 00:33 GMT
>> Date: 16 Feb 2008 18:50:18 -0000
>> From: The Masster <retard@nospam.sdf.lonestar.org.nospam>
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
>
>As a name troll, you sort of suck...

You got a titty-baby in training...Keep it up-soon you will have your
own barnacle just like the rest of the regulars :-)

LV

"I rode a tank and held a general's rank
When the blitzkrieg raged and the bodies stank."

---Sympathy for the Devil-The Rolling Stones
--------------------------------------------
"A fanatic cannot change his mind and will not
change the subject."

---Winston Churchill
----------------------------------------------
Jane - 19 Feb 2008 11:24 GMT
On Mon, 18 Feb 2008,  wrote:

>>Date: 16 Feb 2008 18:50:18 -0000
>>From: The Masster <retard@nospam.sdf.lonestar.org.nospam>
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>troll.  It validates all my hard work and dedication.  Thank you again, so
>much.

You are being parodied because you are pathetically stupid and mentally
ill.  No other reason.
The Master - 19 Feb 2008 15:01 GMT
>> And today, I am given the greates honor the size bashers can give, a name
>> troll.  It validates all my hard work and dedication.  Thank you again, so
>> much.
>
> You are being parodied because you are pathetically stupid and mentally
> ill.  No other reason.

No, actually it's because they lost all ability to fight, probably
shaken up by something I said.  The ONLY way they can hold on to their
fragile view of the world is to invalidate what I wrote.  The problem is,
they can't.  So they resort to a name troll, trying to invalidate the
poster rather then just the posts.

Having a name troll is a sign if victory, pure and simple...  I win, they
lost.
Jane - 21 Feb 2008 11:34 GMT
>>>And today, I am given the greates honor the size bashers can give, a name
>>>troll.  It validates all my hard work and dedication.  Thank you again, so
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>No, actually it's because they lost all ability to fight, probably shaken
>up by something I said.  

ROTFLMAO!  

> The ONLY way they can hold on to their fragile
>view of the world is to invalidate what I wrote.  The problem is, they
>can't.

All the bullshit that you write has been invalidated.  You are simply too
stupid and deranged to understand that.

> So they resort to a name troll, trying to invalidate the poster
>rather then just the posts.

You're too stupid to understand parody.  You are being mocked.  

>Having a name troll is a sign if victory, pure and simple...  I win, they lost.

In your deluded little mind.  You seem to envision yourself as an MLK for
fat people.
The Master - 21 Feb 2008 14:29 GMT
>> No, actually it's because they lost all ability to fight, probably shaken
>> up by something I said.
>
> ROTFLMAO!

Actaully, that is EXACTLY the cause of most name trolls.  The others
simply poped a fuse and decided to go ape-sh.t, as seen with "LV's Ghost"
within the past day.

> All the bullshit that you write has been invalidated.

Not a single word of it actually.

> You're too stupid to understand parody.  You are being mocked.

...by a name troll, trying to invalidate the poster.  Correct...
Jane - 22 Feb 2008 11:13 GMT
>>>No, actually it's because they lost all ability to fight, probably shaken
>>>up by something I said.
>>
>>ROTFLMAO!
>
>Actaully, that is EXACTLY the cause of most name trolls.  

How do you know this?  Have you conducted a study?

>The others
>simply poped a fuse and decided to go ape-sh.t, as seen with "LV's Ghost"
>within the past day.

'LV's Ghost' is insuring that LV's posts are archived.  He/she is actually
doing LV a favor since LV herself expressed bewilderment over why her posts
weren't showing up in Google.

>>All the bullshit that you write has been invalidated.
>
>Not a single word of it actually.

Only in your stupid, deluded mind.  The rest of us laugh at you, just as
people do in real life behind your back as you and your obese wife waddle
past them.

>>You're too stupid to understand parody.  You are being mocked.
>
>...by a name troll, trying to invalidate the poster.  Correct...

The person was mocking your penchant for fat women via parody.  Nothing
more.  Get over yourself already.
Hollywood - 22 Feb 2008 15:15 GMT
> The person was mocking your penchant for fat women via parody.  Nothing
> more.  Get over yourself already.

Uhm, isn't inflated self importance like a requirement to be a big
time usenet
poster?
Doug Freyburger - 22 Feb 2008 17:15 GMT
> > The person was mocking your penchant for fat women via parody.  Nothing
> > more.  Get over yourself already.
>
> Uhm, isn't inflated self importance like a requirement to be a big
> time usenet poster?

Pretty much.

Where "The Master" went right - In all the years I've been on Usenet
I've yet to find a mocker troll who's as sane as the person they mock.

Where "The Master" went wrong - Having someone less sane than
you does not impy you're sane yourself.  It just means it's still
possible to fall further.
Lady Veteran - 23 Feb 2008 02:04 GMT
>>>>No, actually it's because they lost all ability to fight, probably shaken
>>>>up by something I said.
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>doing LV a favor since LV herself expressed bewilderment over why her posts
>weren't showing up in Google.

Yes, well, "LV's Ghost" isn't me. A post without the headers is
invalid.

Nice try, brain stem.
LV

"I rode a tank and held a general's rank
When the blitzkrieg raged and the bodies stank."

---Sympathy for the Devil-The Rolling Stones
--------------------------------------------
"A fanatic cannot change his mind and will not
change the subject."

---Winston Churchill
----------------------------------------------
Lady Veteran - 22 Feb 2008 01:46 GMT
>>>>And today, I am given the greates honor the size bashers can give, a name
>>>>troll.  It validates all my hard work and dedication.  Thank you again, so
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
>In your deluded little mind.  You seem to envision yourself as an MLK for
>fat people.

Well that is better than being poster sh.t for the trolls.

LV

"I rode a tank and held a general's rank
When the blitzkrieg raged and the bodies stank."

---Sympathy for the Devil-The Rolling Stones
--------------------------------------------
"A fanatic cannot change his mind and will not
change the subject."

---Winston Churchill
----------------------------------------------
Lady Veteran - 20 Feb 2008 02:23 GMT
>On Mon, 18 Feb 2008,  wrote:
>>
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>You are being parodied because you are pathetically stupid and mentally
>ill.  No other reason.

One day you too will be a real boy.

LV

"I rode a tank and held a general's rank
When the blitzkrieg raged and the bodies stank."

---Sympathy for the Devil-The Rolling Stones
--------------------------------------------
"A fanatic cannot change his mind and will not
change the subject."

---Winston Churchill
----------------------------------------------
Roger Zoul - 17 Feb 2008 19:46 GMT
>>Over the next three years, she lost 120 pounds and dropped seven dress
>>sizes. Wygal, who's 5 feet 10 inches tall, says the fear of gaining weight
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> @ 5 FOOT 10 INCHES AND 180 LBS she is overweight.

I once had a girlfriend who weighed 180 lbs and was 5'10".  She didn't have
a drop of fat on her.
AnotherD@rnedSock - 17 Feb 2008 23:25 GMT
>>> Over the next three years, she lost 120 pounds and dropped seven dress
>>> sizes. Wygal, who's 5 feet 10 inches tall, says the fear of gaining weight
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> I once had a girlfriend who weighed 180 lbs and was 5'10".  She didn't have
> a drop of fat on her.

Licked it all up as soon as it landed?

Sockworthy
jcderkoeing - 18 Feb 2008 01:17 GMT
>> I once had a girlfriend who weighed 180 lbs and was 5'10".  She didn't
>> have a drop of fat on her.

JPEGS.
Cheese Wheels - 18 Feb 2008 01:27 GMT
>> @ 5 FOOT 10 INCHES AND 180 LBS she is overweight.
>
>I once had a girlfriend who weighed 180 lbs and was 5'10".  She didn't have
>a drop of fat on her.

Then your gf was very unique in the way she carried her fat, most
likely she had huge boobs and that is where all that extra fat landed.

I stand by my statement.
Roger Zoul - 18 Feb 2008 03:08 GMT
>>> @ 5 FOOT 10 INCHES AND 180 LBS she is overweight.
>>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> I stand by my statement.

Quit being such an idiot.  She didn't have huge boobs at all. She was lean
and muscular and you're kinda stupid.
The Master - 18 Feb 2008 19:08 GMT
>> Then your gf was very unique in the way she carried her fat, most
>> likely she had huge boobs and that is where all that extra fat landed.
>> I stand by my statement.
>
> Quit being such an idiot.  She didn't have huge boobs at all. She was lean
> and muscular and you're kinda stupid.

The person you replied to is commonly known as a size troll, also known as
a fat basher.  In his eyes, any woman over 110 lbs, or 100 if she is 5
foot 3 or shorter, is a big fat moomoo cow...  It doesn't matter what the
reality is, it's all based on the stupid BMI charts made by the AMA...  No
matter what you say, the size troll will insist they are right and you are
wrong.
The Master - 18 Feb 2008 18:43 GMT
> Then your gf was very unique in the way she carried her fat, most
> likely she had huge boobs and that is where all that extra fat landed.
> I stand by my statement.

Ofcourse you would.  Any woman not 110 lbs is a big fat moomoo cow...  If
she is 5 foot 3 or shorter, she needs to be 100 lbs.  You are right, all
others are wrong, match your ideal opinion because lord knows only YOU are
correct...  Typical size nazi bullshit...
Cheese Wheels - 18 Feb 2008 20:07 GMT
>> Then your gf was very unique in the way she carried her fat, most
>> likely she had huge boobs and that is where all that extra fat landed.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>others are wrong, match your ideal opinion because lord knows only YOU are
>correct...  Typical size nazi bullshit...

Please consult a Height Weight Chart and see where this woman fits.

I guess you think Doctors are also nazis.
The Master - 18 Feb 2008 20:23 GMT
>> Ofcourse you would.  Any woman not 110 lbs is a big fat moomoo cow...  If
>> she is 5 foot 3 or shorter, she needs to be 100 lbs.  You are right, all
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Please consult a Height Weight Chart and see where this woman fits.
> I guess you think Doctors are also nazis.

You blindly follow the AMA's BMI chart.  As for "Western" medicine, you
are partly correct.  I have a major problem with modern medical practices,
yes.  Any organization that creates "antibiotics" from either bread mold
or the fungus growing in the back of a chicken's throat, yet doesn't
acknowledge "natural" and "homeopathic" treatments, has a major screw
lose.  We must save the rain forest because it will bring us the next
great set of cures, but zinc doesn't really help with a sore throat...  If
a doctor didn't learn about it in medical school, it's not real and
doesn't work.  That's it, end of story...  Use your own opinion as to if
that makes them nazis or not.
Stromata - 18 Feb 2008 22:20 GMT
> You blindly follow the AMA's BMI chart.  As for "Western" medicine,
> you are partly correct.  I have a major problem with modern medical
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> it, end of story...  Use your own opinion as to if that makes them
> nazis or not.

A bit of info, those tribals who live in the Amazon have an average lifespan
in the late 20s. Assuming Westerners don't come in with immunization shots.
Then all bets are off.
Kenny - 19 Feb 2008 04:02 GMT
>>>Ofcourse you would.  Any woman not 110 lbs is a big fat moomoo cow...  If
>>>she is 5 foot 3 or shorter, she needs to be 100 lbs.  You are right, all
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>You blindly follow the AMA's BMI chart.  As for "Western" medicine, you
>are partly correct.  I have a major problem with modern medical practices, yes.

When you go into cardiac arrest, insist that no one calls an ambulance.
Lady Veteran - 19 Feb 2008 00:35 GMT
>>> Then your gf was very unique in the way she carried her fat, most
>>> likely she had huge boobs and that is where all that extra fat landed.
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
>I guess you think Doctors are also nazis.

Some are-see MENGELE.

LV

"I rode a tank and held a general's rank
When the blitzkrieg raged and the bodies stank."

---Sympathy for the Devil-The Rolling Stones
--------------------------------------------
"A fanatic cannot change his mind and will not
change the subject."

---Winston Churchill
----------------------------------------------
Melissa - 19 Feb 2008 17:26 GMT
>> Then your gf was very unique in the way she carried her fat, most
>> likely she had huge boobs and that is where all that extra fat landed.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> others are wrong, match your ideal opinion because lord knows only YOU are
> correct...  Typical size nazi bullshit...

Good lord...I'm 5' 3" and would look like a prison camp captive at 100
pounds. I wear a size 4-6 at 130 and no one would see me and think I was
fat. I got down to 116 once and had people asking me if I was ill.

Stupid trolls.

Melissa
The Master - 19 Feb 2008 18:06 GMT
> Good lord...I'm 5' 3" and would look like a prison camp captive at 100
> pounds. I wear a size 4-6 at 130 and no one would see me and think I was
> fat. I got down to 116 once and had people asking me if I was ill.
>
> Stupid trolls.

EXACTLY!  The size bigots insist that a woman must fit into a very
specific weight range.  The problem is that in most cases, this makes the
woman look like she is starving to death.  A dog with ribs that clearly
defined, the animal cruelty officers would be banging down your door
charging you with abuse.  Yet they think the look is sexy on a human.
rdubose@pdq.net - 19 Feb 2008 23:58 GMT
On Feb 19, 10:06 am, The Master
<tar...@nospam.sdf.lonestar.org.nospam> wrote:
> > Good lord...I'm 5' 3" and would look like a prison camp captive at 100
> > pounds. I wear a size 4-6 at 130 and no one would see me and think I was
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> defined, the animal cruelty officers would be banging down your door
> charging you with abuse.  Yet they think the look is sexy on a human.

It is a waste of time arguing this point with you because I suspect
you have never personally experienced the touch and feel of a lithe,
fit, non-fat woman. You have had only your twisted, hate-filled
imagination to inform you as to what that would be like. Whatever. A
while ago you were saying that being able to walk on level ground
counted for you as adequate "fitness". Your taste in women seems to
have an odd similarity to your taste regarding fitness.
McAlisters - 20 Feb 2008 02:02 GMT
On Feb 19, 10:06 am, The Master
<tar...@nospam.sdf.lonestar.org.nospam> wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Feb 2008, Melissa wrote:
> > Good lord...I'm 5' 3" and would look like a prison camp captive at 100
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> defined, the animal cruelty officers would be banging down your door
> charging you with abuse. Yet they think the look is sexy on a human.

It is a waste of time arguing this point with you because I suspect
you have never personally experienced the touch and feel of a lithe,
fit, non-fat woman. You have had only your twisted, hate-filled
imagination to inform you as to what that would be like. Whatever. A
while ago you were saying that being able to walk on level ground
counted for you as adequate "fitness". Your taste in women seems to
have an odd similarity to your taste regarding fitness.

Why so much hate in your posts?  The purpose of  this group is to
help one another.  Please take your negative viewpoint to a different
arena.
rdubose@pdq.net - 20 Feb 2008 03:03 GMT
> <rdub...@pdq.net> wrote in message
>
[quoted text clipped - 26 lines]
> help one another.  Please take your negative viewpoint to a different
> arena.

You are confused. I did not start this unpleasantness. I did not come
up with idea of injecting the notion "fat=health and beauty" into the
bloodstream of the internet. The other guy has promoted that repulsive
notion and he has also proceeded to insult the taste and judgment of
all of us who would stand against his attack on public
decency,physical  health, and good sexual hygeine.
The Master - 20 Feb 2008 15:13 GMT
> You are confused. I did not start this unpleasantness. I did not come
> up with idea of injecting the notion "fat=health and beauty" into the
> bloodstream of the internet.

You are correct, you aren't.  But Dr Xuemei Sui of the University of South
Carolina settled the argument now didn't he?  Mortality does not corelate
to BMI, but rather to a "fitness level" as defined by the study.  Dr. Sui
says that a 30 minute brisk walk on most days of the week is all you need
to stay out of the high-risk group, and BMI has nothing to do with it one
way or the other.

> The other guy has promoted that repulsive
> notion

All I did was say the results of an actual medical study.  If you don't
want to accept it, tuff.

> and he has also proceeded to insult the taste and judgment of
> all of us who would stand against his attack on public
> decency, physical  health, and good sexual hygeine.

Actually, I "insult" your insistance that your view of "decency, physical
health, and good sexual hygeine" are the only proper views to have.  I use
that "skinny dog vrs skinny woman" argument as an illustration as to why I
hate the look.  You like it, I don't care.  Have at it, hope you like it.
But I think it's inane for you to assume that is the measure of beauty for
everyone.
Doug Freyburger - 21 Feb 2008 17:32 GMT
> rdub...@pdq.net wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> to stay out of the high-risk group, and BMI has nothing to do with it one
> way or the other.

The chart in the study have FIVE levels of fitness not 2.  What it
said
is once a specific threshold of fitness is reached then higher fitness
no longer changes risk of death.

But what are those other 3 levels of fitness higher than walking on
the
level 30 minutes and wondering why it counts as exercise?

Also note in the chart that risk of death by the folks lower than that
level
does depend on size.

And even more interesting - For the thin folks each increase in
fitness
category their risk of death goes down.  That seems to be where the
opinons of the trolls come from.
Naughty Boy - 26 Mar 2008 22:52 GMT
> Actually, I "insult" your insistance that your view of "decency, physical
> health, and good sexual hygeine" are the only proper views to have.

Admission that bad sexual hygeine is OK by The Master noted.

Signature

Look at that. The one, the only, the original, the stupid Naughty Boy is
back. Who said Usenet couldn't go further downhill?

Ragnar - 05 Mar 2008 14:25 GMT
On Feb 19, 10:03 pm, "rdub...@pdq.net" <rdub...@pdq.net> wrote:

> > <rdub...@pdq.net> wrote in message
>
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>
> - Show quoted text -

Intolerance, paranoia and an inflated, nay ridiculous sense of moral
superiority, which you are all guilty of, is the real "attack on
public decency" perpetrated here. For someone that fancy's themselves
as an intellectual, you are really not very bright. Your intolerance
for and fear of concepts different from your own are very telling of
just what you are about and it isn't very hard to see that most
sensible people would agree that you and those like you are the only
individuals spreading "repulsive notions" here.

Ragnar
Lady Veteran - 20 Feb 2008 03:05 GMT
>On Feb 19, 10:06 am, The Master
><tar...@nospam.sdf.lonestar.org.nospam> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
>help one another.  Please take your negative viewpoint to a different
>arena.

You must be new around here. The only "help" offered are idiots
telling fat people how worthless they are becuase they don't conform
to the ideals of the particular fool spewing at the moment.

People are allowed to state what they think is attractive. Some like
anorexic and others don't.

Live well, eat right, die anyway.

LV

"I rode a tank and held a general's rank
When the blitzkrieg raged and the bodies stank."

---Sympathy for the Devil-The Rolling Stones
--------------------------------------------
"A fanatic cannot change his mind and will not
change the subject."

---Winston Churchill
----------------------------------------------
AnotherD@rnedSock - 20 Feb 2008 09:35 GMT
> On Feb 19, 10:06 am, The Master
> <tar...@nospam.sdf.lonestar.org.nospam> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
> help one another.  Please take your negative viewpoint to a different
> arena.

That's right. Help.

Being fat is a major problem, both from a health and aesthetic point of
view of the fat person, and a drain on the social welfare organizations
that could be better used to help people without self-induced and
maintained problems. All pretending that there is no problem with being
fat, accepting fatness, is not helping, it is damaging both to fat
individuals and to society. Being made to face reality may at least start
*some* of the stronger fat people moving in the right direction.

Accepting fat only worsens the problem, it is damaging.

Sockworthy
The Master - 20 Feb 2008 15:04 GMT
> A
> while ago you were saying that being able to walk on level ground
> counted for you as adequate "fitness".

Dr Xuemei Sui of the University of South Carolina, Columbia, did a
medical study that appeared in the December 5, 2007 issue of the Journal
of the American Medical Association.  Read it!

The definition of "fitness" that you are bitching about isn't mine, it's
his.  If you don't like it, write to him.  However, when reading the
study, that IS the metric used, so you can't substitute your own when
reading the study.  Understand now, retard?  I've been telling you this
for how long now?
AnotherD@rnedSock - 19 Feb 2008 22:09 GMT
>>> Then your gf was very unique in the way she carried her fat, most
>>> likely she had huge boobs and that is where all that extra fat landed.
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> pounds. I wear a size 4-6 at 130 and no one would see me and think I was
> fat. I got down to 116 once and had people asking me if I was ill.

Only people who knew that you were normally fatter would think you might be
ill. No one who had never met you would assume that based on weight alone.
At 5'3" and 130 you may not be obese, but you are fat. Deny it all you
like, but at 130lb a naked 5'3" woman isn't a sexy sight. My GF is 104/106
at 5'3" and she *is* sexy and nowhere near thin. Curvy hips, full breasts
nice legs and a pretty face. Add twenty-five or so lbs to her to bring her
to your weight and she would be fat.

If heavier women were normal, why is it that all of the women considered
sexy in magazines, TV & Movies are closer to my GF's build than yours? Do
you seriously think that after many thousands of years of evolution, men
are erroneously finding a fit and healthy, lithe and agile, fat free woman
attractive, that they should be finding fatness attractive instead?

Even during times when a more plump woman was in vogue, they still weren't
really fat. Marilyn Monroe at 5'5.5" weighed 120lbs at her heaviest during
her prime years, and by modern standards she was plump.

> Stupid trolls.
>
> Melissa

Stupid Melissa.

Troll - (AKA Sockworthy)
Doug Freyburger - 20 Feb 2008 15:27 GMT
> If heavier women were normal, why is it that all of the women considered
> sexy in magazines, TV & Movies are closer to my GF's build than yours? Do
> you seriously think that after many thousands of years of evolution, men
> are erroneously finding a fit and healthy, lithe and agile, fat free woman
> attractive, that they should be finding fatness attractive instead?

Clearly you've never been to a good art museum and you think that
history began in 1960.  The flock of celebreties in this decade look
like a convention of AIDS victims campaigning for anorexia compared
to the pin-ups of the 1940s, paintings of the 1600-1800s, statuary of
the last several thousand years.

> Even during times when a more plump woman was in vogue, they still weren't
> really fat. Marilyn Monroe at 5'5.5" weighed 120lbs at her heaviest during
> her prime years, and by modern standards she was plump.

Yet compared to the pin-ups of the 1940s she was thin.  The current
trend is extremely new on a historical time scale and is therefore
nonsense.  Now go to a good art museum and look at the paintings
from the Rocococo era.  The people in those paintings aren't fat
compared to today's standards, they are fat compared to the standards
of the 2 centuries between that time and 1940.  Obese by current
charts.
That trend also only lasted a century and thus it too was nonsense.

I'll take Marilyn, Betty Page or whoever over either today's sick
looking
models or the round folks in Rocococo paintings.  I'm overweight and
I'm leaner than folks in Rocococo paintings.

The more centuries worth of art you inspect, the more you'll see that
this century's focus on AIDS/anorexia level thinness and the Rocococo
era's focus on fat roundness are out of line with all the other
centuries
that have preserved paintings and statuary.  Or is it?  Get ancient
enough to predate the invention of agriculture 20K years ago and all
of the surviving statuary is of very fat people.  Back in a time when
all
of humanity lived as hunter gatherers always close to starvation,
there
was a value of fatness that doesn't apply ever since then.
The Queen of Cans and Jars - 20 Feb 2008 21:49 GMT
> Rocococo

You keep using that word.  I do not think it means what you think it
means.

http://www.artchive.com/artchive/rococo.html
Curt - 20 Feb 2008 23:31 GMT
> > Rocococo
>
> You keep using that word.  I do not think it means what you think it
> means.
>
> http://www.artchive.com/artchive/rococo.html

Perhaps you could scratch beneath the surface.

Or, yeah, perhaps not.

re rococo, a cursory Google offers, "The movement portrayed the life
of the aristocracy, preferring themes of romance, mythology, fantasy,
every day life to historical or religious subject matter. Rococo was a
light, ornamental, and elaborate style of art, identified by elegant
and detailed ornamentation and the use of curved, asymmetrical forms.
Other elements of the style included graceful movement, playful use of
line, and delicate coloring. Dominated by feminine taste and
influence, the lively colors and playful subject matter made it
suitable for interior decoration. The Rococo style was also used in
portraiture and furniture and tapestry design"

Here's a painting by Boucher, a French artist and proponent of the
Rococo style:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fb/Marie-Louise_O%27Murphy_%2817
37-1818%29_painted_by_Francois_Boucher_%281703%E2%80%931770%29.jpg

aka http://tinyurl.com/3ajlv7

That might illustrate a body inspired by the Rococo spirit.

Anyway, "I do not think it means what you think it means." Yeah, not
exclusively.

--
The Queen of Cans and Jars - 21 Feb 2008 02:06 GMT
> Perhaps

Anyone pooped in your mouth lately?
Curt - 21 Feb 2008 03:59 GMT
> > Perhaps
>
> Anyone pooped in your mouth lately?

Could it be the same person who pooped between your ears?

And just how are your ears?

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.bodyart/msg/a7aeac1247deacc9
aka http://tinyurl.com/nq2dj

The Queen of Dis and Gruntled!

I do love your nickname. A seemingly never-ending source of
amusement.

--
The Queen of Cans and Jars - 21 Feb 2008 04:11 GMT
> Could

This is you posting from your secret LJ, isn't it?

http://community.livejournal.com/bmezine/3855178.html
Curt - 21 Feb 2008 04:53 GMT
On Feb 20, 11:11 pm, dhrr...@ohatzhapu.bet (The Queen of Try and
Again) wrote:
> > Could
>
> This is you posting from your secret LJ, isn't it?
>
> http://community.livejournal.com/bmezine/3855178.html

Fail.

--
The Queen of Cans and Jars - 21 Feb 2008 05:11 GMT
> Fail.

Uh huh.
Stephanie - 05 Mar 2008 14:11 GMT
>> Rocococo
>
> You keep using that word.  I do not think it means what you think it
> means.
>
> http://www.artchive.com/artchive/rococo.html

LMAO!
Stephanie - 05 Mar 2008 14:11 GMT
>>>> Then your gf was very unique in the way she carried her fat, most
>>>> likely she had huge boobs and that is where all that extra fat
[quoted text clipped - 36 lines]
>
> Troll - (AKA Sockworthy)

How about if you go hang out with her and leave us fat slobs alone.
Stephanie - 05 Mar 2008 14:06 GMT
>> Then your gf was very unique in the way she carried her fat, most
>> likely she had huge boobs and that is where all that extra fat
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> right, all others are wrong, match your ideal opinion because lord
> knows only YOU are correct...  Typical size nazi bullshit...

If I were 110 pounds, they would have me in the hospital for bulemia. I
know. I used to BE 110. It was disghusting. (No I was not bulemic. Just
crazy prepubescent metabolism.)
The Master - 05 Mar 2008 17:05 GMT
> If I were 110 pounds, they would have me in the hospital for bulemia. I
> know. I used to BE 110. It was disghusting. (No I was not bulemic. Just
> crazy prepubescent metabolism.)

EXACTLY!  But the fat haters follow strict BMI charts, that say my wife,
who is 5 foot 3, needs to be 98 pounds!  No sh.t, that's what her MD told
her!  It is a raw weight to height ratio, and does not take into accound
anything else.

The funny thing is though, a recient study says that mortality rates can
be corelated to a general fitness level independent of BMI.  A skinny
person who can walk briskly for 30 minutes will have the same mortality
rate as an obese person who can do the same 30 minute brisk walk.
David - 05 Mar 2008 17:15 GMT
>> If I were 110 pounds, they would have me in the hospital for bulemia. I
>> know. I used to BE 110. It was disghusting. (No I was not bulemic. Just
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> person who can walk briskly for 30 minutes will have the same mortality
> rate as an obese person who can do the same 30 minute brisk walk.

The only problem is that the person of size will start to get bad knees very
quickly if he continues to walk briskly for 30 minutes. And the person of
size may develop diabetes. Plus the person of size may develop hypertension.
People of size are just substance abusers and that;s about the size of it.
Stephanie - 05 Mar 2008 18:01 GMT
>>> If I were 110 pounds, they would have me in the hospital for bulemia. I
>>> know. I used to BE 110. It was disghusting. (No I was not bulemic. Just
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> hypertension. People of size are just substance abusers and that;s about
> the size of it.

But a person, like myself, who is 5'8" and 140 pounds is not a person of a
size to risk these things.
The Master - 05 Mar 2008 18:47 GMT
> The only problem is that the person of size will start to get bad knees
> very quickly if he continues to walk briskly for 30 minutes. And the
> person of size may develop diabetes. Plus the person of size may develop
> hypertension. People of size are just substance abusers and that;s about
> the size of it.

I can walk briskly, and I'm a lard a.s...  I could, if I wanted to, go to
the gym and lose a crap load of weight.  I've done it before, I can do it
again.  The "problem" is that I honestly don't give a sh.t.  Literally, I
don't care if I'm fat.  Sort of pisses me off that other people seem to
care, but I for one don't.  Due to my apathetic state of mind, even a
little effort isn't worth it.

It's a basic cost vrs reward function.  I don't see being skinny that much
of a reward.  If I reached an epiphany where I realized I had to lose
weight for some reason, then the reward would be worth the cost.  But
right now, it's not.  At this point, I'm looking for a little magic pill,
because swallowing a pill is the only effort I'm willing to put out.
Jason - 05 Mar 2008 19:35 GMT
>> The only problem is that the person of size will start to get bad knees
>> very quickly if he continues to walk briskly for 30 minutes. And the
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>care, but I for one don't.  Due to my apathetic state of mind, even a
>little effort isn't worth it.

I know a guy who expresses the exact same sentiment regarding him
taking a bath.  He  says "The hell with others"   Taking or not taking
a bath is no one else's business according to him.

Jason

>It's a basic cost vrs reward function.  I don't see being skinny that much
>of a reward.  If I reached an epiphany where I realized I had to lose
>weight for some reason, then the reward would be worth the cost.  But
>right now, it's not.  At this point, I'm looking for a little magic pill,
>because swallowing a pill is the only effort I'm willing to put out.
The Master - 05 Mar 2008 20:04 GMT
> I know a guy who expresses the exact same sentiment regarding him
> taking a bath.  He  says "The hell with others"   Taking or not taking
> a bath is no one else's business according to him.

Well, if you don't like it, you could always hire someone to give him
a bath.  Send over a slut in a naughty nurse outfit, I'm sure he would let
her give him a sponge bath.

In that same respect, if you hire someone, I'll gladly watch them exercise
for me.
Stephanie - 05 Mar 2008 20:52 GMT
>>> The only problem is that the person of size will start to get bad knees
>>> very quickly if he continues to walk briskly for 30 minutes. And the
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
>>right now, it's not.  At this point, I'm looking for a little magic pill,
>>because swallowing a pill is the only effort I'm willing to put out.

Whether he is overweight and liking it really IS no one else's business.
Stephanie - 05 Mar 2008 20:51 GMT
>> The only problem is that the person of size will start to get bad knees
>> very quickly if he continues to walk briskly for 30 minutes. And the
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> care, but I for one don't.  Due to my apathetic state of mind, even a
> little effort isn't worth it.

What does your doc advise?

> It's a basic cost vrs reward function.  I don't see being skinny that much
> of a reward.  If I reached an epiphany where I realized I had to lose
> weight for some reason, then the reward would be worth the cost.  But
> right now, it's not.  At this point, I'm looking for a little magic pill,
> because swallowing a pill is the only effort I'm willing to put out.

You are lazy and apathetic. And this is a good thing? I mean, I don't care
what you weigh. Your self image is none of my business. On my cost / reward
analysis I get:

Overweight rewards
- Get to eat whatever I want whenever I want.

Slim and fit rewards:
- look better. Yes it is true. I look better to ME. So I walk around with a
saucy walk and waggle my fanny at my DH. HE thinks I look better because
well, I do. AND because I feel better. And waggle my fanny at him.
- more energy.
- get to eat yummy foods. after retraining it winds up being whatever and
whenever I want.
- shorter doctor's visits with fewer nags.

We all have different cost and reward analysis. But it seems a little odd to
see fat acceptance on a weight watchers support group.
Lady Veteran - 06 Mar 2008 02:18 GMT
>>> The only problem is that the person of size will start to get bad knees
>>> very quickly if he continues to walk briskly for 30 minutes. And the
[quoted text clipped - 35 lines]
>We all have different cost and reward analysis. But it seems a little odd to
>see fat acceptance on a weight watchers support group.

It is there becuase the idiots put it there. Haven't you figured that
out yet or is your brain atrophied?

LV

"I rode a tank and held a general's rank
When the blitzkrieg raged and the bodies stank."

---Sympathy for the Devil-The Rolling Stones
--------------------------------------------
"A fanatic cannot change his mind and will not
change the subject."

---Winston Churchill
----------------------------------------------
Stephanie - 06 Mar 2008 03:35 GMT
>>>> The only problem is that the person of size will start to get bad
>>>> knees very quickly if he continues to walk briskly for 30 minutes.
[quoted text clipped - 40 lines]
> It is there becuase the idiots put it there. Haven't you figured that
> out yet or is your brain atrophied?

Gee you're sweet. Nasty people suck.
The Master - 06 Mar 2008 15:09 GMT
> What does your doc advise?

Same stuff...  You know, lose weight, exercise, blah blah blah...
Considering doctors have a statistically shorter lifespan then the general
population by about 10 years, I don't put much value on their opinions on
how to live longer.  I only go when I'm sick and need drugs.

> You are lazy and apathetic. And this is a good thing?

When it comes to losing weight, yes.  I don't care about doing it, so I
won't do it.

> Slim and fit rewards:
> - look better. Yes it is true. I look better to ME.

And since you obviously value that, then it is a reward.  I for one don't
give a rat's a.s, so it's not a "reward" in my case.  Rather, it's a
simple result that I don't care about one way or the other.

> - get to eat yummy foods.

Sorry, veggies don't taste good.  Neither does skinless chicken breasts.
At least I don't think so.  "Healthy" food is like eating sticks and
twigs in my opinion.

Remember, I was talking about MY cost vrs reward function.

> - shorter doctor's visits with fewer nags.

But that's doing it for THEM, not for YOU.

> We all have different cost and reward analysis. But it seems a little odd to
> see fat acceptance on a weight watchers support group.

The fat haters like to do that.  I don't add any groups to my messages,
but I also tend not to remove extra ones...
Stephanie - 07 Mar 2008 13:18 GMT
> The fat haters like to do that.  I don't add any groups to my
> messages, but I also tend not to remove extra ones...

I did not notice the massive cross posts. I hate when people do that. My
sincere apologies. I cant believe I called you lazy and apathetic. :(
Kenny - 06 Mar 2008 01:31 GMT
>>The only problem is that the person of size will start to get bad knees
>>very quickly if he continues to walk briskly for 30 minutes. And the
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
>I can walk briskly, and I'm a lard a.s...

Walking briskly from the handicap parking spot to the buffet restaurant is
not fitness.  How about I take you on a hike in the mountains and watch
your heart explode on the way?
Always Learning - 06 Mar 2008 05:21 GMT
>>>The only problem is that the person of size will start to get bad knees
>>>very quickly if he continues to walk briskly for 30 minutes. And the
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>not fitness.  How about I take you on a hike in the mountains and watch
>your heart explode on the way?

LOL @ handicap 2 buffet
Ragnar - 06 Mar 2008 13:56 GMT
> >>The only problem is that the person of size will start to get bad knees
> >>very quickly if he continues to walk briskly for 30 minutes. And the
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> not fitness.  How about I take you on a hike in the mountains and watch
> your heart explode on the way?

How about we have a logical discussion without all your idiotic,
nasty, acrimony and we can all watch your head explode.

Ragnar
Daedalus - 06 Mar 2008 15:43 GMT
>> >>The only problem is that the person of size will start to get bad knees
>> >>very quickly if he continues to walk briskly for 30 minutes. And the
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
>Ragnar

You first, sour puss.

Jade
Ragnar - 06 Mar 2008 18:45 GMT
> On Thu, 6 Mar 2008 05:56:41 -0800 (PST), Ragnar
>
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>
> You first, sour puss.

Jade, I'm surprised you responded to me out of hand like that,
especially since you claim that the only reason you come here is to be
entertainted by The Master. Should I be honored or should I just chalk
it up to more of your bullshit?

Ragnar
The Master - 07 Mar 2008 18:01 GMT
> Jade, I'm surprised you responded to me out of hand like that,
> especially since you claim that the only reason you come here is to be
> entertainted by The Master.

That makes me feel so dirty...
Hoots - 08 Mar 2008 02:08 GMT
>> Jade, I'm surprised you responded to me out of hand like that,
>> especially since you claim that the only reason you come here is to be
>> entertainted by The Master.
>
> That makes me feel so dirty...

Yay!

*Now* we're getting some real posting done!

:-)
Daedalus - 10 Mar 2008 17:23 GMT
>> >> >>The only problem is that the person of size will start to get bad knees
>> >> >>very quickly if he continues to walk briskly for 30 minutes. And the
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
>
>Ragnar

What time is it in tardville right now? I understand your clocks only
have one hand.

Jade
The Master - 10 Mar 2008 19:18 GMT
> What time is it in tardville right now? I understand your clocks only
> have one hand.

I've noticed a remarkable change in the quality of Jade's posts lately.  I
wonder if she's ok...
Jason - 10 Mar 2008 19:54 GMT
>> What time is it in tardville right now? I understand your clocks only
>> have one hand.
>
>I've noticed a remarkable change in the quality of Jade's posts lately.  I
>wonder if she's ok...

She is adjusting to the level of the competition.  She has no desire
to totally overwhelm them.  She has too much compassion for that.

Jason
The Master - 10 Mar 2008 21:06 GMT
>> I've noticed a remarkable change in the quality of Jade's posts lately.  I
>> wonder if she's ok...
>
> She is adjusting to the level of the competition.

Nice try...

> She has no desire
> to totally overwhelm them.  She has too much compassion for that.

Jade, compassion?  My sides hurt from laughing so much...
The Master - 06 Mar 2008 16:20 GMT
>> Walking briskly from the handicap parking spot to the buffet restaurant is
>> not fitness.  How about I take you on a hike in the mountains and watch
>> your heart explode on the way?
>
> How about we have a logical discussion without all your idiotic,
> nasty, acrimony and we can all watch your head explode.

Size trolls are like Adam on Mythbusters...  "I reject your reality and
substitute my own".

A medical study said that a 30 minute brisk walk most days of the week
is all the exercise you actually need to stay out of the high-risk group.
Trolls think that the study really meant to say that you need to be able
to hike a mountian and run a marathon.  The "truth" messes with their
brain, they are simply unable to understand it.
The Master - 06 Mar 2008 14:40 GMT
> Walking briskly from the handicap parking spot

Not handicap, retard.  Good try though.  Better luck next time.
Naughty Boy - 26 Mar 2008 22:58 GMT
>> Walking briskly from the handicap parking spot
>
> Not handicap, retard.  Good try though.  Better luck next time.

Oh, but you are handicapped. It shows through in every post you make.

Signature

Look at that. The one, the only, the original, the stupid Naughty Boy is
back. Who said Usenet couldn't go further downhill?

David - 05 Mar 2008 21:41 GMT
>>>> If I were 110 pounds, they would have me in the hospital for bulemia. I
>>>> know. I used to BE 110. It was disghusting. (No I was not bulemic. Just
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> But a person, like myself, who is 5'8" and 140 pounds is not a person of a
> size to risk these things.

You don't seem like a person of size to me. I'm talking about porkers
Kenny - 06 Mar 2008 01:31 GMT
>>If I were 110 pounds, they would have me in the hospital for bulemia. I
>>know. I used to BE 110. It was disghusting. (No I was not bulemic. Just
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>her!  It is a raw weight to height ratio, and does not take into accound
>anything else.

Like I stated previously, that would equate to a BMI of 17.4, clinically
underweight.  Either you or your wife is lying.  Given your history here,
it's probably you.

>The funny thing is though, a recient study says that mortality rates can
>be corelated to a general fitness level independent of BMI.  A skinny
>person who can walk briskly for 30 minutes will have the same mortality
>rate as an obese person who can do the same 30 minute brisk walk.

Bullshit!

In this very extensive study, thin unfit women had a lower mortality rate
than fat fit(?) women.  

Am J Epidemiol 2002 Nov 1;156(9):832-41  
Fitness and fatness as predictors of mortality from all causes and from
cardiovascular disease in men and women in the lipid research clinics
study.
Stevens J, Cai J, Evenson KR, Thomas R.
Department of Nutrition, School of Public Health, University of North
Carolina, Chapel Hill 27599, USA. June_Stev...@unc.edu

The relative size of the effects of fitness and fatness on longevity has
been studied in only one cohort. The authors examined this issue using data
from 2,506 women and 2,860 men in the Lipid Research Clinics Study. The
mean age was 46.6 years in women and 45.1 years in men at baseline
(1972-1976). Fitness was assessed using a treadmill test, and fatness was
assessed as body mass index calculated from measured height and weight.
Participants were followed for vital status through 1998. Hazard ratios
were calculated using proportional hazard models that included covariates
for age, education, smoking, alcohol intake, and the dietary Keys score.
Fitness and fatness were both associated with mortality from all causes and
from cardiovascular disease. For mortality from all causes, the adjusted
hazard ratios were 1.32 among the fit-fat, 1.30 among the unfit-not fat,
and 1.57 among the unfit-fat women compared with fit-not fat women. Among
men the same hazard ratios were 1.44, 1.25, and 1.49. There were no
significant interactions between fitness and fatness in either men or
women. The authors conclude that both fitness and fatness are risk factors
for mortality, and that being fit does not completely reverse the increased
risk associated with excess adiposity.
AnotherD@rnedSock - 18 Feb 2008 03:51 GMT
>>> Over the next three years, she lost 120 pounds and dropped seven dress
>>> sizes. Wygal, who's 5 feet 10 inches tall, says the fear of gaining weight
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> I once had a girlfriend who weighed 180 lbs and was 5'10".  She didn't have
> a drop of fat on her.

Sure it was girl and not Mr T in drag?

I vary between 178 & 182 lbs, am 6'1" and work damn hard to keep under
eight percent body fat. A 5' 10" girl with no body fat weighing 180lb
sounds like the stuff of nightmares.

Sockworthy
The Master - 18 Feb 2008 18:27 GMT
>> @ 5 FOOT 10 INCHES AND 180 LBS she is overweight.
>
> I once had a girlfriend who weighed 180 lbs and was 5'10".  She didn't have
> a drop of fat on her.

You know that...  But that doesn't stop the fat bashers from saying
otherwise.  To them, any woman over 110 lbs is obese, no matter what
"reality" actually says.
AnotherD@rnedSock - 19 Feb 2008 00:05 GMT
>>> @ 5 FOOT 10 INCHES AND 180 LBS she is overweight.
>>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> otherwise.  To them, any woman over 110 lbs is obese, no matter what
> "reality" actually says.

No, not obese, but overweight. 180lbs on 5'10" woman's frame is too heavy,
no disputing it, unless she is an abnormally developed body builder.

Try looking at life as it actually is rather than through the fuzzy
distortions afforded by your desperate "fat-is-beautiful" colored glasses.

Fat ain't beautiful, fat ain't healthy, fat ain't a good thing.

Sockworthy
Barbara - 18 Feb 2008 14:14 GMT
> On 16 Feb 2008 15:16:26 -0000, kelly@not4mail.com (Kelly) wrote this
> stuff here :
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> @ 5 FOOT 10 INCHES AND 180 LBS she is overweight.

I've been reading along here since a couple of month, if one can get over
the crap there are some good post here. I am 5 feet 8 inches and I weigh
146-150, down from 225 and holding my weight since 2 years. My daughter is
5'10 and weighs 147 (athlete) ... we are both considered to be normal weight
here in the US. In Europe, where I am from, I am on the heavy end of the
normal scale ... over there a physician told me my "normal" weight would be
between 130 - 140, no more, and I am trying to slowly push the weight down
to get between 140 - 145, everything else requires too much effort to hold.
My girlfriend is 5'7 and 131 lbs, never was overweight in her life ... she
is normal.

You're right, that teacher, while it is great that she lost the 120 pounds,
is at least still 20-30 lbs over what she should be. Sure she looks nice, at
that age the skin doesn't sag so badly and the workouts helped tone the
muscles a bit. If she is healthy and plans to work out for the rest of her
life 3 - 4 times a week in a gym with maximum impact I guess there is
nothing wrong with holding that weight.

Barbara
Melissa - 19 Feb 2008 17:22 GMT
>>Over the next three years, she lost 120 pounds and dropped seven dress
>>sizes. Wygal, who's 5 feet 10 inches tall, says the fear of gaining weight
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> @ 5 FOOT 10 INCHES AND 180 LBS she is overweight.

Her BMI is only a bit over 25. Her loss is remarkable IMO. Another 10 pounds
would put her right where she should be. I also knew a woman who was almost
6 feet tall, and she looked thin at 180.

Melissa
Cheese Wheels - 20 Feb 2008 02:56 GMT
>>>Over the next three years, she lost 120 pounds and dropped seven dress
>>>sizes. Wygal, who's 5 feet 10 inches tall, says the fear of gaining weight
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
>Melissa

People seem to think I said she was FAT, I didn't call her FAT I
called her overweight.

I wanted to get people to think about the way society puts us all into
a box. I think I did a good job.
Roger Zoul - 20 Feb 2008 10:08 GMT
"Cheese Wheels" <obesity2008@yahoo.com> wrote in message >>

> People seem to think I said she was FAT, I didn't call her FAT I
> called her overweight.

You don't know if she is overweight or not.  Also, the presumption is
overweight means overfat. Whether she is overfat or overweight depends. You
can access the question from the information of 5'10" and 180 lbs.  Some may
be over fat and other might not be. There is such a thing as body
composition.
jcderkoeing - 20 Feb 2008 11:56 GMT
> "Cheese Wheels" <obesity2008@yahoo.com> wrote in message >>
>>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> Some may be over fat and other might not be. There is such a thing as body
> composition.

Prove your point with jpegs, liar.
Stephanie - 05 Mar 2008 14:13 GMT
>>>> Over the next three years, she lost 120 pounds and dropped seven
>>>> dress sizes. Wygal, who's 5 feet 10 inches tall, says the fear of
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> I wanted to get people to think about the way society puts us all into
> a box. I think I did a good job.

Weight is a stupid indicator anyway. If she is overweight but not overfat
then she is fine, fine.
Robyn Kingsize - 16 Feb 2008 19:32 GMT
>http://www.cnn.com/2008/HEALTH/diet.fitness/02/14/weightloss.tracey.wygal/=
i
>ndex.html
>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
>* Wygal started eating clean, keeping a food diary and working out at home=

>* Eventually she joined a gym, hired a personal trainer and lost 120 pound=
s

>By Jackie Adams
>CNN
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
>The 30-year-old middle-school teacher does cardio exercise, strength train=
s
>and follows what she calls a "clean diet."
>
>That's quite a change for a woman who tipped the scales eight years ago at=

>295 pounds.
>
>Wygal first started gaining weight in her early teens. A fast-food diet an=
d
>little to no exercise helped her pack on the pounds, and her weight
>ballooned to over 200 pounds.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>But none of her doctors would give her the quick fix she was looking for.
>Instead, a physician handed her a 1,600-calorie-a-day diet and told her to=

>start moving.
>
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>
>At first, Wygal says, she was too embarrassed to go to a gym, so she bough=
t
>an elliptical machine and started working out 15 minutes a day in her
>apartment.
>
>"It was all I could do at first. I didn't give up, though," she said.
>"Gradually, my endurance improved. After losing about 30 pounds, I decided=

>to join a small gym."
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
>Instead of feeling intimidated, Wygal started to love her workouts and the=

>physical changes taking shape with her body. Ready to take the next step,
>she joined a larger gym, began researching different workouts and got into=

>weight training.
>
>Over the next three years, she lost 120 pounds and dropped seven dress
>sizes. Wygal, who's 5 feet 10 inches tall, says the fear of gaining weight=

>motivates her to stick to her diet and exercise regimen because she never
>wants to look like she did at 295 pounds.
>
>Now comfortable with her weight, which she says fluctuates between 170 and=

>180 pounds, Wygal works out at least five to six days a week. She says the=

>key to losing weight and keeping it off is being honest about what you eat=
,
>writing it down and staying consistent. She wants people to know they can
>do it, but there are no quick fixes or easy outs -- just hard work.
>
>"It won't happen overnight," Wygal advises. "Know that it will take time
>but it is worth it in the end."

Her weight loss will result in a higher setpoint.

Robyn Kingsize, noted authority on setpoints.
Lady Veteran - 17 Feb 2008 00:06 GMT
Since is this off charter drek for SSFA news anyway? She lost
weight-good for her, mow pack your tent and go home already.

LV

"I rode a tank and held a general's rank
When the blitzkrieg raged and the bodies stank."

---Sympathy for the Devil-The Rolling Stones
--------------------------------------------
"A fanatic cannot change his mind and will not
change the subject."

---Winston Churchill
----------------------------------------------
Jason - 17 Feb 2008 01:27 GMT
>Since is this off charter drek for SSFA news anyway? She lost
>weight-good for her, mow pack your tent and go home already.
>
>LV

Blobbie, you posted this to five newsgroups. If you are making the
off-charter claim just for SSFA, why did you post it to four other
newsgroups?.

Does the charter of  SSFA  clearly state that is is considered
on-charter to tell someone else that their message is off-charter?

Your thought processes are becoming  more muddled with time, Blobbie

Could that be a side effect of one of your meds?

If you respond to this,Blobbie, try just this one time  to refrain
from using foul language or the word "idiot"  (Just a test to see if
you can)

Does the charter address the issue of foul language?
Contrary to your frequent claim, your foul language does not "make my
eyes water" but it does lower the validity of your claim as to being
an intelligent, educated  person.

HTH
Jason
Twisted Sister - 17 Feb 2008 12:39 GMT
<Jason>> Your thought processes are becoming  more muddled with time,
Blobbie

I do not know you or Bobbie, but if you are a guy picking on a woman (for
years), then you must be a major HOMO.

Give it up, get a hobby, buy a Lego set, do something with your self. You
need to stop stalking women.
Alex - 17 Feb 2008 15:45 GMT
><Jason>> Your thought processes are becoming  more muddled with time,
>Blobbie
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>Give it up, get a hobby, buy a Lego set, do something with your self. You
>need to stop stalking women.

Lady Veteran stalks people in real life.  Read this link:

http://tinyurl.com/2csoh8
Lady Veteran - 17 Feb 2008 16:12 GMT
>><Jason>> Your thought processes are becoming  more muddled with time,
>>Blobbie
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
>http://tinyurl.com/2csoh8

My, my my...do read that link. Read how I turned in one limp dick for
writing pornography from his JOB. It was not just regular porn it was
bestiality porn and he made me the subject.

That is what idiots call stalking.

Another example is that I hired a PI to find a third rate Canadian
name Marty "the maggot" Taylor becuase he was stalking ME.

I have the power I need. I don't need idiots to hang labels on me that
keep falling off, Yet, these brain stems will try, and try , and try.

It keeps them entertained.

LV

"I rode a tank and held a general's rank
When the blitzkrieg raged and the bodies stank."

---Sympathy for the Devil-The Rolling Stones
--------------------------------------------
"A fanatic cannot change his mind and will not
change the subject."

---Winston Churchill
----------------------------------------------
Kenny - 17 Feb 2008 17:23 GMT
>>><Jason>> Your thought processes are becoming  more muddled with time,
>>>Blobbie
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
>I have the power I need. I don't need idiots to hang labels on me that
>keep falling off, Yet, these brain stems will try, and try , and try.

13. Does Lady Veteran take things to real life with people who disagree
with her?

Yes.  As financially distressed as she is, LV paid a private
investigator $500 to track down a 20 year old Canadian named Marty who
was besting her with their every encounter.  LV later took things to
real life with Jim Dutton and contacted his employer.  LV's mission is
to take things to real life with anyone who disagrees with her,
assuming she can track the person down.

LV re-affirms that she will continue to stalk people who post from work
as she did with Jim Dutton.

From: Lady Veteran <army...@bigfoot.com>
Subject: Re: Bobbi, Robin, others=read.
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 20:42:36 -0600
Message-ID: <5rq3m31c5dci477cf7r5idtfk209ho0...@4ax.com>
Newsgroups:
soc.support.fat-acceptance,alt.fucknozzles,soc.singles,alt.usenet.kooks,
alt.troll

>Let's get to the facts here.  You netKKKop Jeem for posting from work,
then
>your headers show you doing the same.  The postings that you made from
your
>workplace were forwarded to your employer, just like you did to Jeem.
Now
>you're whining that you are a victim of stalking?  ROTFLMAO!!!!

Yes I did. I will do it again and again and again to you or any other
f.ck that tries it. Want to dare me?

<end quote>
Twisted Sister - 18 Feb 2008 00:20 GMT
"Kenny" <LV's mission is to take things to real life with anyone who
disagrees with her, assuming she can track the person down.

There is a big difference between a disagreement and constant harassment. I
have disagreed with lots of people and in some cases a certain amount of
negativity was traded back and forth. After a while everyone went on their
merry way even if we happen to dislike our "internet identities."

Now if someone was following me around for years on the internet, I would
probably hire a p.i. also. There is a limit to internet banter and when
someone is hiring investigators it is probably a good sign that you have
passed the limit with that particular person.

If you folks are not smart enough to move on, then you have only yourselves
to blame if you lose your jobs or otherwise get embarassed.

Let's face it, most of the nonsense that gets posted is complete nonsense.
Sometimes it is pure word association when I am in a hurry and just post a
couple of words and hit ENTER. I know I would not want to look back on all
the silly crap that I have posted and back it up in real life.

Move on, and live and let live. Every day we all get older and closer to our
graves.
Lady Veteran - 18 Feb 2008 03:13 GMT
>"Kenny" <LV's mission is to take things to real life with anyone who
>disagrees with her, assuming she can track the person down.
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
>Move on, and live and let live. Every day we all get older and closer to our
>graves.

The brain stems know this, yet they get some joy out of twisting
things to say what they want and the lack of facts stop them.

Oh and by the way, Marty stopped 6 months after he turned 21 becuase
he knew that if I ever caught him I would put him UNDER the jail. The
only thing he ever bested me at was being a idiot.

LV

"I rode a tank and held a general's rank
When the blitzkrieg raged and the bodies stank."

---Sympathy for the Devil-The Rolling Stones
--------------------------------------------
"A fanatic cannot change his mind and will not
change the subject."

---Winston Churchill
----------------------------------------------
Lady Veteran - 18 Feb 2008 03:09 GMT
>>>><Jason>> Your thought processes are becoming  more muddled with time,
>>>>Blobbie
>Yes I did. I will do it again and again and again to you or any other
>f.ck that tries it. Want to dare me?
>
><end quote>

Well Kendra, do you? You are truly a waste of space.

LV

"I rode a tank and held a general's rank
When the blitzkrieg raged and the bodies stank."

---Sympathy for the Devil-The Rolling Stones
--------------------------------------------
"A fanatic cannot change his mind and will not
change the subject."

---Winston Churchill
----------------------------------------------
AnotherD@rnedSock - 17 Feb 2008 23:24 GMT
>> <Jason>> Your thought processes are becoming  more muddled with time,
>> Blobbie
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Lady Veteran stalks people in real life.  Read this link:

So what? Even if she finds someone, there is nothing she can do. She
doesn't post under her real name so there is no defamation involved, not
that she could win even if there was. What is she going to do? Tell
someone's boss? Wouldn't work with me.

Hell, if she wants to meet me she can, anytime she likes. I'd enjoy a good
laugh. I'd have the whole thing videoed and put it on Youtube so everyone
else could share in the laughter.

Sockworthy
Lady Veteran - 17 Feb 2008 16:08 GMT
><Jason>> Your thought processes are becoming  more muddled with time,
>Blobbie
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>Give it up, get a hobby, buy a Lego set, do something with your self. You
>need to stop stalking women.

LOL!!! Jason has a great need for an erector set. He thinks it's my
fault he can't get it up.

LV

"I rode a tank and held a general's rank
When the blitzkrieg raged and the bodies stank."

---Sympathy for the Devil-The Rolling Stones
--------------------------------------------
"A fanatic cannot change his mind and will not
change the subject."

---Winston Churchill
----------------------------------------------
AnotherD@rnedSock - 17 Feb 2008 23:25 GMT
>> <Jason>> Your thought processes are becoming  more muddled with time,
>> Blobbie
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> LOL!!! Jason has a great need for an erector set. He thinks it's my
> fault he can't get it up.

I have a feeling that you could cause many men to fail to get it up.

Sockworthy
Twisted Sister - 18 Feb 2008 00:26 GMT
"Lady Veteran" <> LOL!!! Jason has a great need for an erector set. He
thinks it's my
> fault he can't get it up.

I have taken shots at lots of people, and even more have done the same to
me. It is never personal with a couple of exceptions and even then I have no
idea who I am arguing with. That makes it even more silly.

The fact that you have all these guys hating you makes me think that these
are closet homos and they spend every night fantacizing about you raping
their a.ses with a big black strap-on dildo.

That is the only reason that they keep attacking you. Every time you post,
they read your emails while looking at your photo that they are always
making fun of, and then they imagine you coming to their home like The
Terminator, kicking in the door, and forcing them to be submissive. They are
submissives seeking a Dominatrix. They are your slaves. That is why they are
so attracted to you.

I just read a post from sockworthy who says he wants to meet you in person.
You can bet he will be wearing panties under his pants and hoping that you
will molest him.
AnotherD@rnedSock - 18 Feb 2008 01:59 GMT
> "Lady Veteran" <> LOL!!! Jason has a great need for an erector set. He
> thinks it's my
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>
> I just read a post from sockworthy who says he wants to meet you in person.

No you didn't.

You read a post that said that I would agree to meet her if she was
inclined, not that I wanted to meet her. I also said that I would find such
a meeting greatly amusing, and believe me, I would. Not that it would ever
happen, LV is all piss & wind, no substance when it comes to character, too
much substance in other areas.

> You can bet he will be wearing panties under his pants and hoping that you
> will molest him.

No, no panties and no molesting.

I wouldn't mind someone like Catherine Zeta-Jones trying to molest me,
(she's cute) and I'd probably enjoy getting into her panties, but a fat
woman with a bellicose attitude coupled with a closed mind and sub-standard
IQ offers no appeal whatsoever.

Sockworthy
Lady Veteran - 18 Feb 2008 03:15 GMT
>"Lady Veteran" <> LOL!!! Jason has a great need for an erector set. He
>thinks it's my
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>You can bet he will be wearing panties under his pants and hoping that you
>will molest him.

You know, I think you are right. They certainly have the hots for me.

Sock Puppet will certainly dream on.

LV

"I rode a tank and held a general's rank
When the blitzkrieg raged and the bodies stank."

---Sympathy for the Devil-The Rolling Stones
--------------------------------------------
"A fanatic cannot change his mind and will not
change the subject."

---Winston Churchill
----------------------------------------------
Avenger - 18 Feb 2008 04:10 GMT
>>"Lady Veteran" <> LOL!!! Jason has a great need for an erector set. He
>>thinks it's my
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
>>
> You know, I think you are right. They certainly have the hots for me.

Did you send yourself flowers and candy again this VD day  lardarse and tell
everyone it's from a lover?  lol  In your dreams!  haha
Twisted Sister - 18 Feb 2008 07:34 GMT
"Avenger" <> Did you send yourself flowers and candy again this VD day
lardarse and tell everyone it's from a lover?  lol  In your dreams!  haha

I bet you wanted to send her flowers but were afraid of rejection.

The truth is that some of you must be sexually attracted to Bobbie if you
are so obsessed with her. You attack her and secretly spank your monkey
dreaming about her. It is certainly sad for both of you. In spite of all the
sarcastic remarks you make about her, the odds are good that she is better
than the last girlfriend you had, ten or fifteen years ago.

Get better. Ask for forgiveness. Assume the position as a submissive. Ask
Bobbie to become your Master.
The Master - 18 Feb 2008 19:18 GMT
> The truth is that some of you must be sexually attracted to Bobbie if you
> are so obsessed with her. You attack her and secretly spank your monkey
> dreaming about her.

It's obvious to you too, hu?  I've noticed it a while ago also...
The Master - 18 Feb 2008 18:09 GMT
> * Teacher Tracey Wygal was morbidly obese when she weighed 295 pounds
> * A doctor prescribed a 1,600-calorie-a-day diet and exercise
> * Wygal started eating clean, keeping a food diary and working out at home
> * Eventually she joined a gym, hired a personal trainer and lost 120 pounds

Fantastic.  But why is this diet sh.t being posted in the s.s.f-a group?
If I wanted to read diet sh.t, I'd join a diet group.

> The 30-year-old middle-school teacher does cardio exercise, strength trains
> and follows what she calls a "clean diet."

What is a "clean diet"?  She's not eating mud, rocks, and twigs?

> But none of her doctors would give her the quick fix she was looking for.
> Instead, a physician handed her a 1,600-calorie-a-day diet and told her to
> start moving.

I love the idea that far people want a "quick fix".  It's a basic
cost/reward function.  The more wanting the person is to lose weight, the
more sh.t they are willing to put themself through.  I for one don't care
about losing weight, so in my case a "quick fix" is the only diet I would
be willing to do.  Anything else isn't worth it.  But if I actually was
wanting to lose weight, then I'd get a gym membership and work out.  Since
I'm not, I won't...

The only problem Wygal will face is that since she had to resort to such a
strict diet, she will now have to follow that same diet plan for the rest
of her life to maintain the weight.  Constant focusing, constant counting
calories, one slip-up and she gains some back.  That's a rather hefty
cost, how long do you think she will continue to believe it is worth it?

> Instead of feeling intimidated, Wygal started to love her workouts and the
> physical changes taking shape with her body.

It's called a workout high...  Normally caused by a lack of oxygen killing
off your brain cells, giving you a sense of euphoria.  It works much the
same way as sniffing glue.

> Now comfortable with her weight, which she says fluctuates between 170 and
> 180 pounds,

And the size nazi fat bashing trolls, would say she is still obese...
rdubose@pdq.net - 19 Feb 2008 04:47 GMT
On Feb 18, 12:09 pm, The Master
<tar...@nospam.sdf.lonestar.org.nospam> wrote:
> > * Teacher Tracey Wygal was morbidly obese when she weighed 295 pounds
> > * A doctor prescribed a 1,600-calorie-a-day diet and exercise
[quoted text clipped - 33 lines]
> off your brain cells, giving you a sense of euphoria.  It works much the
> same way as sniffing glue.

One thing we can all be sure of is that you have no personal
experience of, or insight regarding, a "work-out high". If you really
did, you could not be fat. And you could not know what it was like to
run across the finish line of the first Marathon held in Berlin just
as the Wall was coming down (Sept 30, 1990)  A million people in the
city squares; world-historic changes all around, truly hot young women
worshipping your naughty bits....
That sort of thing is like glue-sniffing? Whatever, dude.

> > Now comfortable with her weight, which she says fluctuates between 170 and
> > 180 pounds,
>
> And the size nazi fat bashing trolls, would say she is still obese...
The Master - 19 Feb 2008 14:51 GMT
>>> Instead of feeling intimidated, Wygal started to love her workouts and the
>>> physical changes taking shape with her body.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> experience of, or insight regarding, a "work-out high". If you really
> did, you could not be fat.

Amd if you had brain cells left, you wouldn't be a troll.

I have my faults, you have yours.  The funny thing is, I COULD lose
weight.  If I REALLY wanted to, yeah I could go to the gym and work out.
I eat right, shed the pounds, and slim down.  In that respect, my
"problem" has a so-called solution.  But in your case, "stupid a.shole"
can't be fixed.

Beauty is only skin deep, idiot goes down to the bone.  Sucks to be you...

> And you could not know what it was like to
> run across the finish line of the first Marathon

Let's see, a Marathon is named in honor of a greek messenger, who ran from
Marathon to Athens some 20 some-odd miles away, to relay the fact that
Greece won the battle, only to then colapse and die.

Thanks, but no thanks...
Doug Freyburger - 19 Feb 2008 16:45 GMT
"rdub...@pdq.net" <rdub...@pdq.net> wrote:

> One thing we can all be sure of is that you have no personal
> experience of, or insight regarding, a "work-out high".

True enough.  I never experienced it while in high school soccer
when I could run all evening and never since at imes I've gotten
myself into that level of fitness.  For many years I thought people
made it up as a fiction to convince themsevles to greater
efforts.  In my I realized that can't work and these people must
be able to deliberately drug themselves into a stupor as they
describe.  My insight regarding it is simple - Genetic variation.
Whatever the gene is I don't have it and they do.

> If you really did, you could not be fat.

That statement is ridiculous on its face - You claim that anyone
born with the gene that allows a workout high cannot be fat,
in a society with obesity increasing generation to generation.
Where's your evidence that this self drugging gene is a certain
preventative to the insulin disorder that causes a body to
accumulate fat?

> And you could not know what it was like to
> run across the finish line of the first Marathon held in Berlin just
> as the Wall was coming down (Sept 30, 1990).

That's another statement ridiculous on its face - Only people
born with the self-drugging gene will ever participate in marathons.
Where's your evidence that all people who have chosen the
extreme of fitness to be able to survive a marathon do so
because of self inflicted endorphin addiction?  I suppose it has
never occured to you that people do this for reasons like
personal pride, spiritual advancement, charity sponsoring
and so on.

> A million people in the
> city squares; world-historic changes all around, truly hot young women
> worshipping your naughty bits....
> That sort of thing is like glue-sniffing? Whatever, dude.

For the ones who do it for the self inflicted endorphine drugs, most
certainly.
AnotherD@rnedSock - 19 Feb 2008 05:14 GMT
>> * Teacher Tracey Wygal was morbidly obese when she weighed 295 pounds
>> * A doctor prescribed a 1,600-calorie-a-day diet and exercise
[quoted text clipped - 31 lines]
> hefty cost, how long do you think she will continue to believe it is
> worth it?

What a load of crap. Once you get to a good weight and fitness level, your
metabolism speeds up. The more muscle, the better your metabolism.

People who are fat are amazed at how much I eat. My plate is always loaded,
but not with carbs and high calorie foods. I eat five meals a day,
probably, by weight and volume, I eat far more than most obese people, but
I still keep my weight within a very small variation, year in year out. I
do not diet, I just eat nothing but healthy foods, tasty, enjoyable, but
not carb and sugar laden. Fat people don't eat to satisfy hunger they eat
for pleasure. That is the main difference between a normal and a fat person.

Once you are fit, and exercise regularly, dieting is not necessary. If I am
going for a fifty or a hundred mile bike ride on the weekends, I'll eat two
large pizzas on Friday night, no problem. It all burns off well before I
finish. Good metabolism. I drink protein and carb drinks during the ride
and eat jerky or other protein foods the whole time. I still weight a lot
less at the end of the ride than when I started, and it is not dehydration,
I hydrate well. It my metabolism burning fat.

>> Instead of feeling intimidated, Wygal started to love her workouts and
>> the
>> physical changes taking shape with her body.
>
> It's called a workout high...  Normally caused by a lack of oxygen
> killing off your brain cells, giving you a sense of euphoria.

Absolute garbage.

Why then would people who use EWOT training get an even bigger high? Idiot.
I use EWOT when at my own gym, but not when traveling.

> It works  much the same way as sniffing glue.

You are a clueless moron.

>> Now comfortable with her weight, which she says fluctuates between 170
>> and
>> 180 pounds,
>
> And the size nazi fat bashing trolls, would say she is still obese...

But at least doing something about it.

Sockworthy
Naughty Boy - 26 Mar 2008 23:08 GMT
> The only problem Wygal will face is that since she had to resort to such
> a strict diet, she will now have to follow that same diet plan for the
> rest of her life to maintain the weight.  Constant focusing, constant
> counting calories, one slip-up and she gains some back.  That's a rather
> hefty cost, how long do you think she will continue to believe it is
> worth it?

Bzzztttt. Wrong. Once your metabolism increases naturally with regular
exercise, you can eat just about anything and the calories get burnt up
without much effort at all. But you wouldn't know about that, because you are
a lazy f.ck.

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Look at that. The one, the only, the original, the stupid Naughty Boy is
back. Who said Usenet couldn't go further downhill?

DONNA DONNA - 21 Feb 2008 19:24 GMT
how long did it take you to lose the weight?
Doug Freyburger - 21 Feb 2008 20:11 GMT
> how long did it take you to lose the weight?

Since that was mentioned in the cited article - Did you read it?
 
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