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Book To Teach Me How To Eat On Food Pyramid Diet (Mediteranian Diet)

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ChristopherL - 25 Feb 2008 15:17 GMT
In 1997, I lost 100 pounds on low carb. Since then, I have been
following a low fat diet with a lot of supplements. Three years ago I
lost 10 more pounds.

My question follows.

I want to learn how to eat healthy by following the Mediteranian diet/
food pyramid. The reason for this is I have problems in determining
portion sizes of grains, fruits, and vegetables. In other words, weeks
go by and I mostly eat simple carbohydrates (fruits of all kinds).

Consequently, my eating habits are not healthy according to the US
food pyramid. Thus, can anyone give me a book, DVD, or audio tape that
will teach me how to eat. I mean I'll go as far as buy a food weight
scale if I have to. I want to learn how to eat all over again and I'm
lost. A strict regime may help.

And, eating twice per day is my goal!

Thank you,
Christopher Lusardi
Foobar - 25 Feb 2008 17:57 GMT
> In 1997, I lost 100 pounds onlowcarb. Since then, I have been
> following alowfatdietwith a lot of supplements. Three years ago I
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> Thank you,
> Christopher Lusardi

Depends on your goal.  If you want to eat 2 meals a day forever, then
go for it.  I prefer to eat several (5-6) meals per day.  Small
meals.  Lot's of water.

Fruit is not necessarilly a simple carb.
Doug Freyburger - 25 Feb 2008 18:59 GMT
> In 1997, I lost 100 pounds on low carb. Since then, I have been
> following a low fat diet with a lot of supplements. Three years ago I
> lost 10 more pounds.

If it works so well for you why do you want to change plan
types?  Stick with what works for you.

> My question follows.
>
> I want to learn how to eat healthy by following the Mediteranian diet/

Mediteranian diet is healthy.  Plenty of fresh fruits, veggies,
meats, cheeses, olives.  Rather like what you're already eating
in pattern but not detail.

> food pyramid.

The food pyramid from 1993 is how livestock is fattened for
slaughter.  You're already doing great, why switch to this flawed
system?

> The reason for this is I have problems in determining
> portion sizes of grains, fruits, and vegetables. In other words, weeks
> go by and I mostly eat simple carbohydrates (fruits of all kinds).

Going from pears to pasta is not an improvement.  Going from
CaptnCrunch to oatmeal is an improvement but you're already
doing better.

> Consequently, my eating habits are not healthy according to the US
> food pyramid.

So much for the food pyramid then.  Seriously.  It was replaced
for a reason - It's nonsense.
dkw12002@yahoo.com - 26 Feb 2008 00:12 GMT
> > In 1997, I lost 100 pounds on low carb. Since then, I have been
> > following a low fat diet with a lot of supplements. Three years ago I
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> So much for the food pyramid then.  Seriously.  It was replaced
> for a reason - It's nonsense.

It's not really nonsense because it does suggest a kind of balanced
diet that seems to work for some folks. The thing is, it is only one
way to eat, but certainly not necessarily the best. What's the best
way to eat? That depends on your diet philosophy. If you are a low
carber, it might be low carb. If you are a low-fatter, like me, then
you strive for low fat. Vegetarians eat no meat whatsoever and some
don't eat eggs or drink milk either, and they seem to be a healthy
group for the most part. The short of it is that there is no best diet
that we know about for sure. Food pyramid is only one way to go- a
kind of rough guideline, not a sacred bull of dieting. Do watch your
calories though, whichever diet you decide on. dkw
Doug Freyburger - 26 Feb 2008 15:48 GMT
"dkw12...@yahoo.com" <dkw12...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> > > food pyramid.
>
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>
> It's not really nonsense ...

Viewing a method used to fatten hogs and sumo wrestlers as
healthy is nonsense.  Thinking that a government
recommendation is good simply because comes from the
government is nonsense.  The food pyramid from 1993 is and
has been since the beginning nonsense with no scientiific
data to back it up.

> because it does suggest a kind of balanced diet

There are many types of balanced diets that are far superior.
One simple way to do that is draw a line above the bottom
rung and mark the layers above it as for humans, the layer
under it for livestock.  There are other systems that work
even better.

> that seems to work for some folks.

When it was introduced in 1993 the current obesity
epidemic was already in full siwng.  It did nothing to help.

> The thing is, it is only one
> way to eat, but certainly not necessarily the best.

Best evidence says there is no one way that is best for
everyone.

> What's the best
> way to eat? That depends on your diet philosophy.

Incorrect.  Pick a diet philosophy inconsistant with what your
individual body does best on and you WILL fail.  It can't be
about philosophy other than accidentally.

> If you are a low
> carber, it might be low carb. If you are a low-fatter, like me, then
> you strive for low fat.

But do it based on the data.  Do it based on your own results.
Why am I a low carber?  Because I tried low fat for 20 years and
gained 50 pounds doing that.  Failed result of a failed plan that
I stayed with far too long - I didn't start reading books on other
plan types until it had gotten out of hand.  Someone else might
have started on low fat, done well, and should stick with it.  The
OP started on low carb, did well, and should stick with it.

The OP's reason for wanting to switch is simple - People ignore
the data so there is drive to push people off plans that work for
them.  That's nonsense.  The plan that works for that one
person, no matter what the philosophy is, that's the plan that
one person should stick to.  Pushing someone to abandon
success is nonsense and idiocy - And pushing people to one
specific plan with no idea if they are already successfull at some
other plan is exact what the nonsense food pyramid is.

You're a sucessfull low fatter.  I should push you to switch to
the nonsense food pyramid, right?  After all, the fact that you are
successful at your plan is utterly irrelevant.  It's not the food
pyramid therefore it's unhealthy.  That's as idiotic as if I tried to
push you from your sucessful low fat just because I tried low
fat and it failed for *me*.  You're not me.  You *are* succesful on
low fat.

> Vegetarians eat no meat whatsoever and some
> don't eat eggs or drink milk either, and they seem to be a healthy
> group for the most part.

People raised in vegitarian cultures seem healthy to me.  The
ones that made a choice on their own, you and I have met different
vegitarians because the ones I've met haven't been all that healthy.

> The short of it is that there is no best diet
> that we know about for sure.

But it can be determined for any one person for that individual.
Try a type for at least 6 months.  If it works stick with it and make
small changes to improve.  If it fails try a different type for at
least
6 months.  Mild low cal like Weight Watchers, low fat, low carb,
systems based on an elimination process like the Texas elinimation
system or Atkins, systems based on digestion mechanisms like
Fit for Life, combination systems like Carbohydrate Addicts Diet
(combines mild low carb and mild low cal) or paleolithic systems
(combines mild low carb with elimination systems), Weight Watches
point system (combines mild low cal with mild low fat) and on and
on.  All of them work fine for some so it's a matter of trying types
until you have the data on your own reaction to them.

> Food pyramid is only one way to go- a
> kind of rough guideline, not a sacred bull of dieting.

It is the single worst guideline out there.

> Do watch your calories though, whichever diet you decide on.

And also your hunger level.  Consider food as a preventative against
hunger and your ability to stay on a system lasts longer - An ounce
of prevention is worth a pound of cure.  It's far too easy to overeat
when a rash of hunger comes on.
 
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