She's still ugly. I hate muscles on females. Older females have to exercise
to the point of gaining muscles to be firm. Young females don't need
exercise because their bodies are naturally firm and tight. Stick to young
females and kick the hags to the kerb :o)
> http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/24159091/?GT1=43001
>
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> real good in the world and it's because of people like Ali inspiring
> millions."
kd8ctl - 21 Apr 2008 22:42 GMT
> She's still ugly. I hate muscles on females.
How about muscles on shemales?
an_old_friend - 22 Apr 2008 00:32 GMT
> The Biggest Loser: I am a whole new woman
> Ali Vincent, the first female winner of the hit show, shed half her weight
So she's half the woman she used to be. Sorry, but she isn't woman enough
any more...
> Said her trainer, Jillian Michaels: Shes a dream come true for me. I just
> think shes inspiration incarnate
WHAT?!?!?!?!?!
She is an INSPIRATION? How so? She lost weight, big deal... That's not
inspirational.
> But in her 20s, she saw that she literally got fat five pounds at a time.
> She was prompted to do something about it when she started not getting as
> much affection.
So, she based her self worth on the input of other people. She went from
the "hot chick" to a BBW, and lost the affection of perfect strangers who
don't care about her anyhow. That's losing weight for them, not for her.
What she did is the FURTHEST thing from inspirational she could have
possibly done!
> She teamed with Michaels upon her return to the show. Michaels described
> their workouts as beatings eight hours a day. Sometimes 10 toward the
> end.
8 and 10 hours a day workouts? How is she going to maintain when she has
to go back to work? 8 hours working, 8 hours sleep, 8 hours working out.
That's already 24 hours, and you still have driving to work, eating,
getting ready, etc...
> And Vincent was in for the long haul.
Unless she can bend the laws of time, she's already doomed. There is no
way she can maintain her workout schedule. If that's ALL she wants to do
in her free time, she could probably get in 4 hours, perhaps even 5.
If that's what the fat bashers consider "normal" or "keeping in shape",
I'd RATHER being obese. Sorry, but that is NOT a better quality of life,
period.
> Vincent pocketed $250,000 for her losing ways. After taking a red-eye
> flight from California to New York, one of the first things she saw was a
> copy of USA Today with a Got Milk? ad featuring her chiseled self.
$250,000 prize money, endorsements? Ok, I stand corrected. If she plays
her cards right, she could save enough money to not have to work again.
That would free up the time for her to continue 8 hour a day workouts.
But again, 8 frickin hours a day? Again, I'd rather be fat.
> Vincent hopes her dramatic weight loss will put her in a better position to
> achieve her goal of becoming a platform artist for a large corporation.
And there go her 8 hour workouts again...
Jason Earl - 21 Apr 2008 21:32 GMT
>> The Biggest Loser: ‘I am a whole new woman’ Ali Vincent, the first
>> female winner of the hit show, shed half her weight
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> She is an INSPIRATION? How so? She lost weight, big deal... That's
> not inspirational.
It's not inspirational to you, but it is to lots of other people that
see their extra weight as a problem. In general I have to admit that I
am inspired by people that are successful in achieving difficult goals
even if I do not agree 100% with the goal.
There's something to be said for tenacity and perseverance. Most people
spend their entire lives looking for the path of least resistance.
There's something to be said for people that take a different route,
even if I don't agree with their destination.
>> But in her 20s, she saw that she “literally got fat five pounds at a
>> time.” She was prompted to do something about it when she started
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> What she did is the FURTHEST thing from inspirational she could have
> possibly done!
I agree that this is very superficial. However, to a certain extent it
is also very realistic. People are prejudiced against overweight
individuals. Whether this is fair or not is immaterial. The fact is
that people are prejudiced against fat people.
In my own particular case I lost weight because I had several family
members that were diagnosed with diabetes and I wanted to lower my own
risks for contracting the disease. However, I am forced to admit that
as I began to lose weight and look better I found the change in how
people treated me to be very motivating. I honestly don't know whether
the risk of diabetes alone would have been enough, in the long term, to
make me stick to my fitness goals.
Generally speaking peer pressure is regarded as a negative thing, but at
least in this particular case it can have positive effects.
>> She teamed with Michaels upon her return to the show. Michaels
>> described their workouts as “beatings — eight hours a day. Sometimes
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> working out. That's already 24 hours, and you still have driving to
> work, eating, getting ready, etc...
The real problem with gaining a lot of weight is that it takes a long
time and a lot of work to get rid of it. After a certain thresh hold
you have basically committed yourself to being fat forever because
losing all of that extra weight would require a superhuman effort. "The
Biggest Loser" pattern is definitely one way to make that superhuman
effort.
From my own weight loss experience, however, I can assure you that it
takes far less work to *maintain* a lower weight than it does to lose
the weight in the first place. It still requires some discipline, but
it doesn't require 8 hours of work a day. Maintenance is actually
relatively easy. The difficult part is forcing your body to give up the
weight in the first place.
>> And Vincent was in for the long haul.
>
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> shape", I'd RATHER being obese. Sorry, but that is NOT a better
> quality of life, period.
"The Biggest Loser" is a very problematic show in that contestants are
basically forced to lose ridiculous amounts of weight over a relatively
short period of time. Most people that lose a lot of weight use much
less dramatic measures.
In my own case I have taken the weight off at about the same pace that I
put it on. I've been losing weight for years, and I still don't
consider myself to be done. Of course, I only exercise for an average
of about 30 minutes a day, and until recently I didn't really modify my diet
at all.
In the process I have found that I enjoy discovering what sort of cool
things my body can do.
>> Vincent pocketed $250,000 for her losing ways. After taking a red-eye
>> flight from California to New York, one of the first things she saw
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> again. That would free up the time for her to continue 8 hour a day
> workouts. But again, 8 frickin hours a day? Again, I'd rather be fat.
If that was the only way to lose weight then I would agree with you.
However, it's not. The method employed on "The Biggest Loser" is not
typical in any regard. Most people don't take 6 weeks and devote their
lives to losing weight full time. You *can* lose weight with a far more
reasonable daily commitment of time. However, if you have 100 pounds of
weight to lose losing that weight is going to take a lot of commitment.
I can certainly understand why some people believe that the commitment
is not worth the reward.
Unfortunately, the real trick to weight loss is probably to not get fat
in the first place. It's much easier to make small adjustments in your
diet and exercise to lose 10 pounds than it is to try and get rid of 100
pounds.
>> Vincent hopes her dramatic weight loss will put her in a better
>> position to achieve her goal of becoming a platform artist for a
>> large corporation.
>
> And there go her 8 hour workouts again...
Vincent isn't competing to lose the most weight anymore, she just has to
maintain her current weight and level of fitness.
Jason
misanthropic_curmudgeon - 21 Apr 2008 22:16 GMT
On Apr 22, 1:26 am, The Master <tar...@nospam.sdf.lonestar.org.nospam>
wrote:
[snip]
> 8 and 10 hours a day workouts? How is she going to maintain when
> she has to go back to work?
You mistakenly make the assumption that maintanience levels of
excercise are the same as those required to loose the excess pork-age.
Kenny - 23 Apr 2008 02:27 GMT
>On Apr 22, 1:26 am, The Master <tar...@nospam.sdf.lonestar.org.nospam>
>wrote:
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>You mistakenly make the assumption that maintanience levels of
>excercise are the same as those required to loose the excess pork-age.
TM's not too bright. He admits to buying his shirts at Walmart and he was
very proud when he posted recently of his purchase of a 3 year old Kia Rio.
His former wife left him after she lost weight.
To believe otherwise would contradict fat acceptance propaganda.
Tin@ - 22 Apr 2008 00:22 GMT
On Apr 21, 6:26 am, The Master <tar...@nospam.sdf.lonestar.org.nospam>
wrote:
> > The Biggest Loser: ‘I am a whole new woman’
> > Ali Vincent, the first female winner of the hit show, shed half her weight
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> She is an INSPIRATION? How so? She lost weight, big deal... That's not
> inspirational.
How is someone who lost a whole bunch of weight not inspriational to
people who are trying to lose weight?
> > But in her 20s, she saw that she “literally got fat five pounds at a time.”
> > She was prompted to do something about it when she started “not getting as
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> the "hot chick" to a BBW, and lost the affection of perfect strangers who
> don't care about her anyhow. That's losing weight for them, not for her.
Of course some of any person's self worth is based on what others
think of them.
> What she did is the FURTHEST thing from inspirational she could have
> possibly done!
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> That's already 24 hours, and you still have driving to work, eating,
> getting ready, etc...
When you get to your goal weight, do you really think you need to
maintain an 8 hour workout? Are you an idiot...or do you just play one
here?
> > And Vincent was in for the long haul.
>
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> That would free up the time for her to continue 8 hour a day workouts.
> But again, 8 frickin hours a day? Again, I'd rather be fat.
Sounds like you found your perfect excuse to stay fat.
> > Vincent hopes her dramatic weight loss will put her in a better position to
> > achieve her goal of becoming a platform artist for a large corporation.
>
> And there go her 8 hour workouts again...