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Tomorrow night at midnight the 100 Day Diet to Thanksgiving starts!

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Caleb - 17 Aug 2008 09:35 GMT
Want to kick yourself in the fanny and get started on a low-calorie
approach to take weight off? Concerned about health and looks and
everything else? Worrying about the latest blood pressure reading or
the pain in your over-stressed knees?

Why not promise to yourself that on Sunday you'll start to get ready
for the Monday diet program, and then on Midnight tomorrow night --
August 17 -- you'll start to implement it.

Low calorie with at least some exercise, recording of calories
consumed, weighing on a fairly regular basis (I will weigh myself
daily, but using a balance beam scale so I don't have to look and see
how much water weight I have put on, etc. -- more of this below), and
a restricted calorie approach (aiming at about 1000 to 1200 for men
and maybe 800 to 1000 for women).

100 Days from tomorrow midnight (or maybe Monday midnight or Tuesday
Midnight) for 100 Days. Ending before Thanksgiving with all the
trimmings.

For me it's easiest if I avoid bread, alcohol, and graph daily. Also,
I wear numbers on my watch (e.g., 4/2 would indicate that on day 4 of
my diet I have lost 2 pounds). And I weigh myself daily, using a
balance beam scale. But in weighing myself I never move the indicator
to the right. I know that if I stick to a low-calorie approach then
the weight will HAVE TO COME OFF, unless the laws of physics are
suspended in my kitchen (as Joe Pesci said to a witness in "My Cousin
Vinnie"). So I know that over time the indicator will show me at a
lower weight.

At any rate, think about getting ready to get ready. If you start out
a day after me or two days, that's fine! Check with your doctor or
other health care professional, but I'm going to do it and if you
would like to lose weight over the next 3.3 months, it would be GREAT
to have you along!

So, Gentle Persons -- Start your Engines! Time to get serious about
GETTING SERIOUS!!!

Yours,

Caleb
Tin@ - 17 Aug 2008 21:45 GMT
> Want to kick yourself in the fanny and get started on a low-calorie
> approach to take weight off? Concerned about health and looks and
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> Caleb

Jillian Michaels would never recommend a diet with that few calories.
You'll put your body into starvation mode and your body will hang onto
everything.
Jeri - 17 Aug 2008 22:19 GMT
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> Jillian Michaels would never recommend a diet with that few calories.
> You'll put your body into starvation mode and your body will hang onto
> everything.

Don't waste your breath. Caleb is the resident troll who shows up once a
year around this time trying to get people to join him in his crazy ultra
low calorie, nutritionally unbalanced diet. The more you tell him what he's
doing isn't healthy the more he argues that it's fine.
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Jeri
"Change is inevitable, except from vending machines (and Caleb)."

Tin@ - 17 Aug 2008 23:19 GMT
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> Jeri
> "Change is inevitable, except from vending machines (and Caleb)."

Thanks for the heads up.
Caleb - 17 Aug 2008 23:41 GMT
100 Day Diet – one day.

Day 1 of 100 Day Diet starts tonight at midnight! Until then, enjoy
yourself! But get your gameface ready to put on!

If people would like to aim at 1200 calories or 1400 calories, that
would be great! I'm interested in the lower end of the approach --
less time in painful circumstances, but a less demanding approach
makes sense. (My physician says fine to 800 or a 1000 calories a
day.)  I also will drink a lot of water, continue taking a daily
vitamin/mineral pill, etc.

Of course a variety of people should never attempt to make large
changes in their calories without checking with their physicians --
people with various medical conditions, growing children, etc. On the
other hand, I do believe that one of the greatest impediments to
weight loss is the reactions engendered by nay-sayers who get people
away from following an approach that works for them.  I have not
understood the motivation that many people have to bring this about,
but I do think that in large part we are wired to give advice, and we
feel vindicated somehow when someone takes our advice.

As was said on this list about 6 years ago, if one tried to follow all
the advice given, one would never lose weight. I think it's far best
to pick a sensible approach (one hopefully that has worked in the past
for you) and STICK WITH IT!

In the 7 years or so since I first came to this site, I'd imagine many
people have met their goals and maintained them. And at the same time,
I think that many people also suffered serious consequences by not
reducing their overweight status, of trying to follow competing advice
and then giving up. Our words can certainly demotivate people and we
should employ them carefully. And in the general area of weight
control, demotivation may lead to increased health problems including:
strokes, depression, etc.  The simple secret is that to lose weight we
must take in fewer calories than our body requires to maintain weight.
The greater the calorie deficit, the more weight is lost, everything
else being equal. I think about 1000 calories over a 100 Days is about
the the minimum I can achieve, or really want to achieve. But the
daily calories fluctuate. (Isn’t it funny how they almost always
fluctuate up?)

Another person's method may not work for you -- but guess what? YOU
don't have to follow it!

So, whatever method people use to achieve their health ends I applaud!
That is, vegetarian, low carb, eating only every other day, etc., etc.
-- as long as it works for them. Low calorie, medium calorie, etc. –
but the basic equation is the same – enough of a restriction on the
calories into your body for a long enough period of time and you will
lose weight.

I remember when I used to run in the Honolulu Marathon (In the 70's
and before back problems), there was a chubby somewhat elderly guy
(probably younger than I am now) would serve as a leader for one of
the slower groups of runners. (The groups trained by expected time of
finish.) Anyway, this guy had a propeller  hat and was unmistakable.
Also he was willing to poke fun at himself with his hat and outfit,
and he was very good in helping others reach their goals. I'm sure he
has run many, many marathons -- I think I've finished about 8 to 10
myself.

Training for them takes a lot of time and energy, and my body would
have trouble with the heavy running now. My long run was about 15
miles, from the University of Hawaii, jogging around Diamond Head,
going out to Hawaii Kai and then jogging home. Lots of wear on the
chassis, I'm sure. That was the way I controlled my weight, but that
is not a method that I would be able to employ throughout my life. Not
with back problems, knee and tendon problems, etc. Much easier to work
on the calorie side.

So, if I weigh 250 when I wake up tomorrow, and if I expend 300
calories a day, then in 100 Days if  take in the following number of
calories on a daily basis I will have lost about the following number
of pounds: (Just a back of the envelope type of figuring, as a male, I
require about 13 calories a pound to maintain body weight. Women
probably require about 11 calories a pound. Add in the extra calories
consumed in moderate exercise and the weight loss will be faster and
probably healthier -- giving your physician says okay. (The following
is based on a weight of 220 calories so I don't have to constantly
change the factors. Just a guesstimate, but probably likely to be
slightly conservative.)

Daily Calories                          Pounds lost in 50
Days                  Lost in 100 Days
1000
26.6                                                   53.2
1100
25.1                                                   50.3
1200
23.7                                                   47.4

1500
19.4                                                   38.9

On the other hand, given the following calorie intake, this occurs:

Daily Calories                          Pounds Lost in 50
Days                  Lost in 100 Days
2000
12.3                                                 24.6
2500
5.1                                                 10.3

Very, very few people are going to maintain motivation on a diet
program that says that in 100 days you'll lose 10 pounds. There is
already a sense of deprivation, of doing things that is slightly
uncomfortable.

So mainly I will just stick with my low calorie and exercise program
(knees, tendons, etc., allowing me to do so), and will post daily.  By
Thanksgiving I WILL be much healthier and much lighter.

I hope everyone meets their goals and succeeds in their health quests!

Yours,

Caleb
Caleb - 17 Aug 2008 23:48 GMT
I hope this formatting is easier to read

Daily Calories  Lbs lost in 50 Days  Lost in 100 Days
1000                 26.6                                53.2
1100                 25.1                                50.3
1200                 23.7                                47.4

1500                19.4                                38.9

On the other hand, given the following calorie intake, this occurs:

Daily Calories  Lbs Lost in 50 Days  Lost in 100 Days
2000                  12.3                                  24.6
2500                    5.1                                  10.3
Caleb - 18 Aug 2008 00:02 GMT
I just looked up Jillian Michaels and think she's probably pretty
neat! This is from her website:

"Nutrition labeling includes calorie content. Make good use of that
information. If you have tried sticking to 1200 calories in the past
(or some other calorie limit) and still couldn’t lose weight, you were
probably eating more calories than you thought. For many dieters, it’s
the invisible calories eaten between meals, or consumed in beverages,
that run up the daily total and sabotage weight loss. Remember: a
latte on your coffee break, a handful of candy from a colleague’s
desk, a sports drink during your workout, the French fries off your
child’s plate—all these extras “count.” There are plenty of these
calorie traps lurking in daily life. If you want to enjoy these
treats, add them to your calorie total. Reduce your weight loss
frustration by making food labels your friend."

She sure doesn't think 1200 calories is a threat to health.

Overall, what I've read of her site suggests she is effective at
helping people with weight issues!

I doubt if she has ever been as overweight as I have been, or as
undisciplined in eating as I have been (or as many other stretch-pants
Americans have been), but her advice to others regarding weight loss
appears to be generally reasonable and not dogmatic.

Yours,

Caleb
Tin@ - 18 Aug 2008 00:04 GMT
> I just looked up Jillian Michaels and think she's probably pretty
> neat! This is from her website:
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> Caleb

Do you even know who she is?

She says she was overweight as a child.
Caleb - 18 Aug 2008 00:39 GMT
> > I just looked up Jillian Michaels and think she's probably pretty
> > neat! This is from her website:
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> She says she was overweight as a child.

How overweight? (As a kid I weighed a bit more than 290.) Overweight?
In the stretch-pants group?

Maybe yes. Maybe no.

Do you have numbers on her weight? (You were the one who cited her --
I had never heard of her before.)

Yours,

Caleb
Tin@ - 18 Aug 2008 01:00 GMT
> > > I just looked up Jillian Michaels and think she's probably pretty
> > > neat! This is from her website:
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> Caleb-

I dont know how overweight.  She is one of the trainers on The Biggest
Loser and she does a Sunday morning call in show on my local radio.
She says women shouldnt go below 1200 calories and men shouldnt go
below 1500.
Caleb - 18 Aug 2008 01:18 GMT
> > > > I just looked up Jillian Michaels and think she's probably pretty
> > > > neat! This is from her website:
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> She says women shouldnt go below 1200 calories and men shouldnt go
> below 1500.

My physician said it was fine for me to go 800 to a 1000 calories. I
can give a variety of reasons right off the bat for the apparent
differences:

My physician (a board certified internist) knows my medical history
(also hypertension, etc.) and has the medical background to advise me
to lose weight.

She knows that losing weight is difficult enough, and that if I can
maintain momentum through a faster weight-loss regimen, then so much
the better.

Jillian is dispensing advice to people in general and she probably has
to err on the side of conservatism. (e.g., people with a history of
gall stones should be very careful about how large a calorie deficit
they should maintain.)

I don't know her professional background, but I'm sure Jillian does
her job well. I also know that as a professional she would not presume
to give me medical advice that conflicts with what my personal
physician has advised, especially as she has never seen me, talked to
me, evaluated me, etc.

On the other hand, remaining overweight is clearly dangerous,
unhealthy, etc.

Turns out, of course, that losing significant weight for even 18
months of time can result in health benefits (e.g., reduction of Type
2 diabetes risk) that can last for 4 years. I sure have maintained
significant weight loss for a heck of a lot more than 18 months, and I
will do so again.

People imbued with faddish beliefs all too often do not look at the
literature. The so-called "yo-yo" dieting phenomenon is largely a
myth. (People don't find it more difficult to lose weight if they have
lost weight before. People are not incredibly fragile. Some research
shows that it does not really benefit one more if the weight comes off
more slowly than faster.)

The major goal for those trying to lose weight is this -- being good
enough for long enough.

(Even Jillian herself says on the bottom of one of her pages that her
methods do not speak to maintenance of weight loss, but that the
methods use to lose weight may also help to maintain weight-loss
itself. Sounds reasonable to me.)

I think the metaphor of a marathon is a good one, in which people
train to get in shape, and are going on longer and longer runs. So too
weight loss has been like that for me, with periods of slacking off
and periods of clear focus. Not too many athletes are in focus all
year long. (Not many have overeaten the way I have, but I am not an
athlete -- I am a "civilian" who has been able to follow an effective
program and who says that everyone else can do so as well.

1200 for women and 1500 for men? If I stayed on that program by the
numbers I posted earlier I still would lose about 38 pounds, and so I
have no problem generally with Jillian's posts.

I just want people to GET INTO GEAR AND DO IT! If I can be useful as a
demo dieter, I'd be happy to do that for them!

Yours,

Caleb
Tin@ - 18 Aug 2008 02:02 GMT
> > > > > I just looked up Jillian Michaels and think she's probably pretty
> > > > > neat! This is from her website:
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Well good luck to you.
Caleb - 18 Aug 2008 03:28 GMT
> > > > > > I just looked up Jillian Michaels and think she's probably pretty
> > > > > > neat! This is from her website:
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> Well good luck to you.

Tin --

Thank you very much! And I sure wish the very best to you and everyone
here!

If we all meet our goals, then we are all winners the deepest and most
important sense! Certainly this should not be a zero-sum game, with
people doing well at the expense of others. Whatever reasonable road
leads to success is a good road.

Yours,

Caleb
 
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