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Info - 16 Nov 2008 07:34 GMT If this is a duplicate, please accept my apologies.
I weigh 184 and am 5'7". I need to lose twenty pounds and I cannot exercise because I'm in a wheelchair.
What is your daily calorie intake and what do you eat to keep your taste buds interested when you've cut back on food or calories?
I eat All Bran with skim milk in the AM and at least two apples a day. I drink four or five glasses of water a day, some decaf tea and two Metamucil cocktails. I also take several B-Complex vitamins. I ran into some 90 calorie "garden burgers" and 230 frozen dinners. I hardly ever use salt. Sometime I have half a sub from Subway. A dietician said that is OK.
I stopped chocolate and ice cream months ago. Fat free pudding and fruit are my dessert, if I have any.
Do you eat soy burgers or other soy products? I can make them taste good, if I add a little low-cal salsa or other spicy stuff.
Ideas welcome. Thanks
marcilall.com@gmail.com - 16 Nov 2008 16:54 GMT > If this is a duplicate, please accept my apologies. > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Ideas welcome. Thanks Hi there,
First off I wouldn't eliminate exercise altogether just because you're in a wheel chair.
I assume you can use your arms??
If so you can easily do bicep curls, shoulder presses and an assortment of other exercises while sitting in your wheel chair. Just by doing some of these exercises will help you burn some extra calories and ultimately help you lose some weight as well as increase your lean muscle which will help increase your metabolism.
Everyone's daily caloric intake is different. However it seems that you are on the right track in terms of eating healthy foods.
What you can do if you have a craving is to put some dark chocolate in the freezer and when one of the cravings hit you, suck on the piece of chocolate as if it were hard candy. This will allow you to enjoy the chocolate for a longer period of time without indulging.
Remember everything in moderation should be key, it seems like you have a ton of discipline at this point so don't stop and keep going!
havent tried the soy burgers, but I am a big fam of veggie and turkey burgers...salsa's always a nice treat!
Hope that helps.
Marci Lall http://www.marcilall.com
Info - 17 Nov 2008 02:58 GMT On Nov 16, 2:34 am, "Info" <i...@nwfirst.com> wrote:
> If this is a duplicate, please accept my apologies. > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Ideas welcome. Thanks Hi there,
First off I wouldn't eliminate exercise altogether just because you're in a wheel chair.
I assume you can use your arms??
If so you can easily do bicep curls, shoulder presses and an assortment of other exercises while sitting in your wheel chair. Just by doing some of these exercises will help you burn some extra calories and ultimately help you lose some weight as well as increase your lean muscle which will help increase your metabolism.
Everyone's daily caloric intake is different. However it seems that you are on the right track in terms of eating healthy foods.
What you can do if you have a craving is to put some dark chocolate in the freezer and when one of the cravings hit you, suck on the piece of chocolate as if it were hard candy. This will allow you to enjoy the chocolate for a longer period of time without indulging.
Remember everything in moderation should be key, it seems like you have a ton of discipline at this point so don't stop and keep going!
havent tried the soy burgers, but I am a big fam of veggie and turkey burgers...salsa's always a nice treat!
Hope that helps.
Marci Lall http://www.marcilall.com
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The arms don't work either. They'll move, just as the legs will, but it's fatiguing because of the disease. http://www.charcot-marie-tooth.org/about_cmt/overview.php Exercise won't work.
Does anyone have an opinion about the reliability of this websites: http://www.calorieking.com/
Thanks
James G - 16 Nov 2008 20:29 GMT > If this is a duplicate, please accept my apologies. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > What is your daily calorie intake and what do you eat to keep your taste > buds interested when you've cut back on food or calories? My baseline metabolic rate is around 2200 (although I suspect it's gone down a bit, as I've lost weight). Right now, I'm taking in anywhere from 1000-1500 calories a day. Most days I hit 1200 pretty consistently, but no diet is without falter.
I'm a resident undergraduate student, so my choices are unfortunately somewhat limited, but on a average weekday:
Breakfast (~300 cal) Generally, nothing. But if I do eat something, it's a bagel with cream cheese & black coffee
Lunch (~500 cal) A wrap or sandwich (anything from buffalo chicken to turkey club) A bag of chips (generally try to stick to something in the 200 cal range)
Occasionally, I'll opt for a 6" sub instead (turkey+green peppers).
Dinner (~600 cal) This is my grabbag meal. I generally end up with some kind of meat/ veggie mix from an all-you-care-to-eat facility, but sometimes I opt for two slices of pizza or something instead.
Snack (80 cal) I chow down on a Dannon Light & Fit Yogurt. They're the best I've found, to date. Sometimes I stir in a little granola.
> I eat All Bran with skim milk in the AM and at least two apples a day. I > drink four or five glasses of water a day, some decaf tea and two Metamucil > cocktails. I also take several B-Complex vitamins. I ran into some 90 > calorie "garden burgers" and 230 frozen dinners. I hardly ever use salt. > Sometime I have half a sub from Subway. A dietician said that is OK. Subway is a tough call. In pop culture, it's the "healthy" alternative. In reality, a lot of their sandwiches are going to do you a lot worse than a fast-food burger.
Stick to cold subs there (and in general; Quizno's etc.), and take a look at their nutritional information. Most of the information is fairly on the level, but the sodium level in a lot of the subs is somewhat disturbing. I generally stick to Ham & Turkey (+green peppers and black olives. Shredded lettuce is a waste of time, and peppers are more satisfying), or maybe an Italian if I've got calories to spare.
> I stopped chocolate and ice cream months ago. Fat free pudding and fruit > are my dessert, if I have any. I've heard mixed things about double-churned ice cream, but it seems like a reasonable way to go, if you want to spoil yourself.
I know SmartOnes also makes a small icecream/cookie dessert that weighs in at about 130 calories. It's not very much at all, but it takes the edge off sometimes, and it's very tasty. (I'd say overall, not worth the money, though)
The thing about dessert is that it's almost impossible to moderate. It's hard to self-discipline to eat just one cookie, etc. Modern portions and bulk sales unfortunately hurt everyone here. Alternatively, I suppose you could use some plastic baggies and make little dessert "packages" for yourself. Stick to the package, and you'll know what you've eaten.
> Do you eat soy burgers or other soy products? I can make them taste good, > if I add a little low-cal salsa or other spicy stuff. > > Ideas welcome. Thanks I'm not sure I've tried a soy burger before, but I've tried some variety of veggie burger before, and it was awful. It's just not worth it to me. The appeal of a burger to me is a big juicy slab of meat between bread with some veggies. Take away the big slab of meat, and I'd just as soon rather switch up and make some other dish that avoids the meat.
Somewhat unconventional, but take a look at individually packaged soups. I eat Cup O' Noodles often enough, and I find it very filling for only 300 calories (and hot!). I don't worry myself to death about the sodium, because I'm hydrating so much anyway. Alternatively, Healthy Choice also makes AWESOME soups (vegetable/roast/etc.) for about 200 calories apiece.
In general, it seems like filling yourself with something HOT really helps satiate the hunger without going over on calories.
The one thing I think a lot of people overlook on a diet (myself included) is variety. If you eat the same thing, or the same variety of things all the time, you're going to get bored. When you get bored, you'll start craving something else. And if you don't answer that by trying new things and experimenting, you'll snap and break a pattern eventually (Pringles are my personal demons).
mikesmith9999@hotmail.com - 17 Nov 2008 04:16 GMT > If this is a duplicate, please accept my apologies. > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Ideas welcome. Thanks I would advise you to learn to cook. And stop polluting your body with industrial food and stuff made in a laboratory. Are your B-Complex vitamins made from coal? If you visited the place where they produce and saw the making from A to Z, I'm sure you would say "no thank you!" if offered to try the pill. Extremely disturbing.
Info - 17 Nov 2008 05:01 GMT On 16 nov, 02:34, "Info" <i...@nwfirst.com> wrote:
> If this is a duplicate, please accept my apologies. > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Ideas welcome. Thanks I would advise you to learn to cook. And stop polluting your body with industrial food and stuff made in a laboratory. Are your B-Complex vitamins made from coal? If you visited the place where they produce and saw the making from A to Z, I'm sure you would say "no thank you!" if offered to try the pill. Extremely disturbing.
-------------- I cooked for myself every day for 30 years and in restaurants for 5 years . I can't any more because I can't hold a pan any longer or stand up without support. I have seizures and I use a machine at night so I don't stop breathing.
http://www.charcot-marie-tooth.org/about_cmt/overview.php
http://www.epilepsyfoundation.org/
http://www.sleepapnea.org/
Kate XXXXXX - 17 Nov 2008 08:27 GMT --------------
> I cooked for myself every day for 30 years and in restaurants for 5 years . > I can't any more because I can't hold a pan any longer or stand up without [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > http://www.sleepapnea.org/ Sounds like you have one of the more severe cases. I'm sorry to hear that. Even with CPAP, the broken nights are going to exacerbate the other problems.
Is there anyone who could cook batches of stuff for you that could then be frozen in single portion lots? A nice variety of low fat, calorie-counted home cooked meals that you could simply defrost and zap, followed by fresh fruit, home-made pure fruit smoothie frozen lollies and the like would probably be more to your taste, more filling, and a lot better for you than factory processed foods. Frozen low fat yoghurt deserts, fresh ones, and occasional Skinny Cow treats are permited as well, just for fun.
If you could get together with a friend and provide recipe and ingredients and swap those and advice for muscle power, you could both end up with a freezer full of delicious meals and soups that would fill you up and not bloat you with excess salt (Subway are particularly bad for that), flood you with chemicals and what Jamie Oliver calls 'bollock-burgers' (made with 'mechanically recovered meat', or animal sludge that is mostly fat), or are bulked out with useless stuff like guar gum.
The Weight Watchers recipe books are full of excellent recipes that work, and many are very good for freezing. I recently helped a friend make a vast batch of several different soups like this for a her father in law, and elderly gent dying of non-Hodgkinson's Lymphoma, who needed some decent nutriton that was easy to prepare, tempting when he was exhausted, and could be frozen in single portions that were very zappable.
I tend to batch cook soups, and some stews and casseroles. I also freeze the 'spare' portions from 4 person recipes as there are only three of us. It gives us a chance for a decent home cooked meal on those days that the fibromyalgia takes over and I'm incapable of anything remotely related to cooking.
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mikesmith9999@hotmail.com - 17 Nov 2008 15:27 GMT > <mikesmith9...@hotmail.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > > - Afficher le texte des messages précédents - I apologize.
For Vitamin B, I've been advised to get it from *natural* yeast that you can mix with low-fat, no sugar added, yogurt. Do you have organisations in your area that can help you with cooking?
Info - 17 Nov 2008 17:55 GMT On 17 nov, 00:01, "Info" <i...@nwfirst.com> wrote:
> <mikesmith9...@hotmail.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > > - Afficher le texte des messages précédents - I apologize.
For Vitamin B, I've been advised to get it from *natural* yeast that you can mix with low-fat, no sugar added, yogurt. Do you have organisations in your area that can help you with cooking? ------ Thank you, Mike. It's almost not necessary but a delight to find someone on Usenet who will apologize for something. I'm a little embarrassed right now. Your response hit a nerve, last night, and I almost ripped you a big one. Again, thank you.
My wife does all the cooking. It's healthy food and I keep the portions small. It's breakfast and lunch that I have to take care of.
I was eating the yogurt you mentioned, but I fell off the wagon. I'll get bake on it, today.
I keep the carbs high because two of the drugs I take cause constipation. I take a stool softener, but I need to get rid of what I eat easily and the softener doesn't work well enough. I can still walk with a walker, but using the stove and microwave are getting too dicey. Early next year the stove will have become impossible. We are moving the microwave to put it at waist-level so I can get to it while sitting down. I am contacting every organization that I can think of and am going to see rehab doctors and OT departments at several hospitals outside my HMO.
mikesmith9999@hotmail.com - 17 Nov 2008 21:32 GMT > <mikesmith9...@hotmail.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 62 lines] > response hit a nerve, last night, > and I almost ripped you a big one. Again, thank you. It's all good. :) One the best advice I can give you is that before trying to figure out what your menu should be that you build your menu around veggies. Eat as much veggie you can in a day and you won't have much have room left for anything left. I'm a steak person. I could have it for breakfast, no problem. I cooked a large piece of it last night, enough to feed two persons. If I had not had anything else to eat, I would have eaten all of it, and would have been hungry an hour later. What I did is to have a herbal tea and a huge soup of only veggies. After that, I did not have enough space for the whole steak, so I ate only the half of it, and kept the rest for the next day. When it comes to weight-management, nothing beats the veggies!
Martin Levac - 17 Nov 2008 22:47 GMT >> <mikesmith9...@hotmail.com> wrote in message >> [quoted text clipped - 59 lines] > so I ate only the half of it, and kept the rest for the next day. When > it comes to weight-management, nothing beats the veggies! The China study shows that those who ate the most fruits and vegetables were also the fattest. So it would seem that for weight management, at least if the purpose is to grow fatter, then eating veggies is the way to go.
You'd have been better off eating the whole steak. Steak is meat and meat contains no carbohydrates.
Carbohydrates drive insulin drives fat accumulation.
mikesmith9999@hotmail.com - 17 Nov 2008 23:14 GMT > mikesmith9...@hotmail.com wrote: > >> <mikesmith9...@hotmail.com> wrote in message [quoted text clipped - 72 lines] > > - Afficher le texte des messages précédents - "THE" China study? Never heard of it. If it was done by Chinese, then I would not rely to much on it. The statement you mane is a too broad, anyway. You're not telling me WICH fruits they eat. I eat mostly those that don't make my glands produce too much fat-storing hormones. As for steak, I buy the one containing no hormones or antibiotics.
Martin Levac - 17 Nov 2008 23:31 GMT >> mikesmith9...@hotmail.com wrote: >>>> <mikesmith9...@hotmail.com> wrote in message [quoted text clipped - 73 lines] > that don't make my glands produce too much fat-storing hormones. As > for steak, I buy the one containing no hormones or antibiotics. All fruits and vegetables contain carbohydrates to some degree. There is only one fat-storing hormone, it's insulin and it's not a gland that makes it, it's the pancreas. More specifically, the beta cells inside the pancreas. And there is only two things that make the pancreas secrete and release insulin, it's carbohydrates and protein. But there's only one of those that causes fat to accumulate, it's carbohydrates.
The mechanism is complicated and even I don't know everything that goes on but I'll try to explain it in the simplest terms I can.
As I said, insulin is a storage hormone. Its primary function is to store nutrients, all nutrients inside fat cells. Insulin is the primary regulator of fat cells. Fat is stored inside fat cells as triglycerides. Fat is also transported as triglycerides. But triglycerides are too big to go through the fat cell membrane so it must be dismantled. Fat enters and exits fat cells as fatty acids. Once inside, the fatty acids are recombined into triglycerides using a molecule called alpha glycerol phosphate i.e. glycerol.
This glycerol molecule is critical to fat accumulation. Without it, fatty acids can't be bound and fat can't be stored. This molecule is the by-product of glucose metabolism inside fat cells.
As fat cells use glucose, they produce glycerol. This glycerol is used to recombine fatty acids into triglycerides for storage. As we eat carbohydrates, blood glucose rises, insulin rises, insulin takes glucose (and fatty acids) and stores it inside fat cells, fat cells use glucose, produce glycerol which can then be used to recombine the fatty acids into triglycerides for storage. Fat accumulates, we grow fat.
Protein doesn't cause glucose to rise so it can't cause fat accumulation like I explained above even though it causes insulin to rise. However, in the context of a low carb diet, eating protein can cause a stall in fat loss temporarily because it causes insulin to rise temporarily. The solution to this is easy, eat less protein but eat more fat.
Doug Freyburger - 18 Nov 2008 15:37 GMT > All fruits and vegetables contain carbohydrates to some degree. There is > only one fat-storing hormone, it's insulin and it's not a gland that > makes it, it's the pancreas. More specifically, the beta cells inside > the pancreas. Ah. At this point you've finally come out as a no-carb troll. History says no-carb trolls don't last so you're not a problem.
> And there is only two things that make the pancreas > secrete and release insulin, it's carbohydrates and protein. But there's > only one of those that causes fat to accumulate, it's carbohydrates. This is incorrect. It's only carbs. See glucogenesis for how excess protein is converted to glucose for use as fuel.
> The mechanism is complicated and even I don't know everything that goes > on but I'll try to explain it in the simplest terms I can. The mechanism is only complicated to people who want it to be as simple as "if low carb is good, then lower carb is better and zero carb is best". If it were that simple every single low carb book out there would recommend doing exactly that. None do and without exception folks who draw out quotes on the topic to support that view ignore the context from the book they are quoting.
Below some point in dietary carbs eating less carb does not result in lower insulin release. Lower isn't better all the way to zero.
> Protein doesn't cause glucose to rise Incorrect. See glucogenesis for how excess dietary protein is converted to glucose at a bit over 50% energy efficiency.
> ... However, > in the context of a low carb diet, eating protein can cause a stall in > fat loss temporarily because it causes insulin to rise temporarily. The > solution to this is easy, eat less protein but eat more fat. Also incorrect. This ignores the fact that fat is pulled from storage based on the concentration of the hormone glucagon and that glucagon is released in an indirect result of (dietary fat calories minus dietary carb calories) and that's why low carbing is high fat.
Dee Flint - 17 Nov 2008 13:45 GMT > If this is a duplicate, please accept my apologies. > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Ideas welcome. Thanks You should have AT LEAST 6 glasses (eight ounces each) of water per day. Check out the government food pyramid for calories requirements and nutritional requirements. They list recommendations for losing as well as maintaining weight. If this is too confusing, joint Weight Watchers and follow their points system.
There's a huge variety of fruits and vegetables available and these should be your mainstay. If you want to avoid sodium, use fresh or frozen ones or read the labels very carefully to find the no sodium added kind.
Doug Freyburger - 17 Nov 2008 15:45 GMT > If this is a duplicate, please accept my apologies. Why did you include the eating disorders group in the list?
> I weigh 184 and am 5'7". I need to lose twenty pounds and Note that insurance tables tend to run 10 pounds to light. If you used insurance tables to set your goal then you actually need to lose ten not twenty. Just how did you select your goal? It doesn't seem far enough from a practical goal that you'd include the eating disorder group.
> I cannot exercise because I'm in a wheelchair. Exercise is relative to one's current fitness level. Don't get duped by the falacy that it has to be in the gym to count as exercise. Any level of movement that stretches your current level of fitness is exercise no matter that level of fitness. This could be from best efforts to move your limbs around to control your power chair with your hands instead of your tongue all the way through doing a 10K run because you're accustomed to doing 5K runs. What you can do is what you can do and it counts in your own context.
> What is your daily calorie intake and what do you eat to keep your taste > buds interested when you've cut back on food or calories? What I do to keep my tastes interested is low carb not low fat. You did include a low carb support group in your posting after all. Not only does low carb work as well as low fat, I think the foods taste better and they are just as filling even if they aren't as bulky.
> I eat All Bran with skim milk in the AM and at least two apples a day. I > drink four or five glasses of water a day, some decaf tea and two Metamucil > cocktails. I also take several B-Complex vitamins. I ran into some 90 > calorie "garden burgers" and 230 frozen dinners. I hardly ever use salt. > Sometime I have half a sub from Subway. A dietician said that is OK. Dieticians rarely have a clue about low carb and often blindly endorse low fat without any idea of why. Not that there's anything wrong with going low fat if it works for you without hunger but it is most certainly not the one healthy way and only magic cure to all the worlds ills.
> I stopped chocolate and ice cream months ago. Fat free pudding and fruit > are my dessert, if I have any. Okay for low fat. Your choice in that. Dessert as a goal or a regular feature of meals isn't compatible with watning to lose weight in my very biased opinion.
> Do you eat soy burgers or other soy products? I can make them taste good, > if I add a little low-cal salsa or other spicy stuff. I have no interest in meat substitutes. It's one of the advantages of low carb that my meals are generous portions of veggies with actual meat cut from delicious animals. I'm happy to have tofu along with the standard generous portion of veggies but it's not something I do every week. Yes, spicing the soy up is the way to go.
jay - 17 Nov 2008 17:42 GMT > Ideas welcome. Thanks Drop all the processed foods. Eat simply prepared fresh/whole fruits, veggies, beans and limited grains, nuts, meat, dairy, etc. Supplemental fiber (extra carbs), OK.
Martin Levac - 17 Nov 2008 21:23 GMT >> Ideas welcome. Thanks > > Drop all the processed foods. Eat simply prepared fresh/whole fruits, > veggies, beans and limited grains, nuts, meat, dairy, etc. > Supplemental fiber (extra carbs), OK. Drop all carbs. Eat only meat. Any meat will do. Fatty meat preferably. Supplement with vitamin D. Stay in bed. Read a book. Start with Good Calories Bad Calories by Gary Taubes. When your health returns, which will happen pretty quickly on this kind of diet, you won't need to be told to go out and play. You will simply do it as a result of returning to good health.
jay - 18 Nov 2008 16:12 GMT > ...Eat only meat. Fatty meat preferably. ... Many persistent environmental pollutants (ie PCBs, dioxins, pesticides, herbicides, plasticizers, heavy metals, solvents, etc) are lipohilic. A diet high in animal fat will significantly increase exposure to such pollutants. See www.newscientist.com/article/mg19926731.900-could-the-diabetes-epidemic-be-down- to-pollution.html?full=true
Search www.pubmed.com for "TCDD" (a dioxin) to see the effects of one such pollutant.
Tanel Kagan - 25 Nov 2008 14:03 GMT > If this is a duplicate, please accept my apologies. > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Ideas welcome. Thanks Hi there,
Let me try and break this down.
I've been on the "Special K diet" for about 6-7 weeks. Thing is, I don't really like to call it a "diet" as such, because I do eat a bowl for breakfast and a bowl for lunch, with basically whatever I want in the evening, but I guess millions and millions of people eat cornflakes in the morning anyway so are they all "dieting" in one sense of the word?
In those 6-7 weeks I've lost 6-7 kilos, or about 13-15 lbs. In other words, about a kilo or 2lbs a week. I'm 6'1" and weighed 113 kg (248 lbs), now I weigh about 106kg (233 lbs).
First of all, you say you need to lose 20 lbs, but how quickly are you proposing to do it? If you aim to lose 20 lbs in about 8-10 weeks, then I think that's quite feasible and won't do you any harm. On the other hand, if you're trying to lose 20 lbs in 4 weeks, then not only are you going to find it difficult, but you'll probably be restricting your body's nutritional intake to an extent that isn't healthy.
I started by looking at the recommended average daily calorie intake for a man. It's supposed to be 2,500 for men and 2,000 for women.
I then said to myself "ok, factor in your exercise level and job". I have an office job, and exercise is something I get around to once every few weeks. So I figured that if 2,500 is the average, I probably needed to reduce the "baseline" a bit. So I set my "baseline" at 2,000 calories a day. I think this is an important step because if you don't exercise and don't have a manual job that requires energy, and you're still looking at 2,500 as the minimum, then you won't really see results. On the other hand, if you're a lumberjack by trade and finish it off with a game of squash at the gym, then your basic requirement is going to be somewhat higher.
Of course, that figure is the basic number of calories that you are supposed to consume to be at a stable level. If you're looking to lose weight, then your target has to be a bit lower than that. So I said to myself that I'd aim for 1,500 to 1,750 calories a day.
Now some people will be quick to say "oh calorie counting doesn't work". Well it doesn't work for many people simply because a) they don't have the discipline to follow it and b) it's not always obvious how many calories they're consuming.
In my opinion, calorie counting *has* to work. When you strip away everything else, you're left with a basic, fundamental principle, that what goes in minus what goes out equals what's left. Of course, different people's respond differently to different things, but ultimately if you're expending a certain amount of energy which is greater than the amount of chemical energy contained in the food you eat, then your body will look to burn its own fat reserves to make up the deficit, rather than the opposite scenario when you consume more than you expend such that the body stores the additional chemical energy as fat.
I suppose I'm fortunate in that I've never had an addiction to sweet food and chocolate. I enjoy them, yes, but I can go for ages without them and not miss them. Rather, my weakness is to takeaway food so part of the plan was to cut that down. By implication, cutting down on these foods reduced my calorie intake, since most are very high in calories, but the key point was that nothing is off-limits.
The cereal in the morning is about 250 calories, same again at lunch. Sometimes I'll actually substitute the lunchtime bowl with some fruit, also does the trick. This way, if I've used up about 500 calories, I can enjoy a nice meal with 1,250-1,500 calories in the evening.
Yes, there are some people that will say "oh but you need more calories in the morning", and others will say "you shouldn't eat after such and such hour", but I think they're missing the point.
The point is that we are not trying to fine tune our bodies to the degree that an olympic athlete requires, only eating foods from a prescribed list and at certain times of day. What we are trying to do (at least what I was trying to do) was to begin to invoke a general trend in my eating habits, resulting in a gradual weight loss. What many people tend to do is hit the spring, fresh from the excesses of Christmas/New Year and start thinking "oh I need to get that bikini body" (I don't wear one myself...) or something like that, and then try to achieve the impossible in a short space of time.
James G - 25 Nov 2008 18:24 GMT On Nov 25, 9:03 am, "Tanel Kagan" <tanelkagan@ (nospamatall).hotmail.com> wrote:
> Yes, there are some people that will say "oh but you need more calories in > the morning", and others will say "you shouldn't eat after such and such > hour", but I think they're missing the point. I agree with you on most of your post, but there is a notable exception here. Anybody with diabetes or at risk for diabetes should take their blood sugar into account.
I would say the most important thing is to NOT change the structure of your eating. Just change WHAT you eat and HOW MUCH you eat.
But at the end of the day, thermodynamics wins. You just can't support excess weight if you choke the body's energy supply.
Info - 26 Nov 2008 20:51 GMT >> If this is a duplicate, please accept my apologies. >> [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > words, about a kilo or 2lbs a week. I'm 6'1" and weighed 113 kg (248 > lbs), now I weigh about 106kg (233 lbs). Congratulations
> First of all, you say you need to lose 20 lbs, but how quickly are you > proposing to do it? If you aim to lose 20 lbs in about 8-10 weeks, then I > think that's quite feasible and won't do you any harm. On the other hand, > if you're trying to lose 20 lbs in 4 weeks, then not only are you going to > find it difficult, but you'll probably be restricting your body's > nutritional intake to an extent that isn't healthy. I'll be happy with losing for 20 pounds in 15 weeks. I need to do this slowly because I'm in a wheelchair. Exercise is not an option and I take a lot of drugs that cause fatigue.
> I started by looking at the recommended average daily calorie intake for a > man. It's supposed to be 2,500 for men and 2,000 for women. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > squash at the gym, then your basic requirement is going to be somewhat > higher. I'm disabled and use a walker indoors and will need an electric wheelchair indoors soon.
> Of course, that figure is the basic number of calories that you are > supposed to consume to be at a stable level. If you're looking to lose > weight, then your target has to be a bit lower than that. So I said to > myself that I'd aim for 1,500 to 1,750 calories a day. I'm aiming for 1,200 to 1,500.
> Now some people will be quick to say "oh calorie counting doesn't work". > Well it doesn't work for many people simply because a) they don't have the [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > scenario when you consume more than you expend such that the body stores > the additional chemical energy as fat. I agree with the calorie counting. I didn't know enough about the calorie count of various stuff until I started this dieting.
My wife fixes food at Dinners Ready, http://www.dinnersready.com/Main.aspx, and we're turning their 6 serving meals into 8 serving leals to cut down on the calories.
> I suppose I'm fortunate in that I've never had an addiction to sweet food > and chocolate. I enjoy them, yes, but I can go for ages without them and [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > also does the trick. This way, if I've used up about 500 calories, I can > enjoy a nice meal with 1,250-1,500 calories in the evening. Same here with my bran cereal with non-fat milk or light fruited yogurt.
I'll have an apple in the AM and a sandwich or bean burrito for lunch.
> Yes, there are some people that will say "oh but you need more calories in > the morning", and others will say "you shouldn't eat after such and such > hour", but I think they're missing the point. I'm at my strongest in the evening because I have sleep apnea and just don't get good enough sleep at night. I need to nap during the day. After that nap. I'm recharged. I'll hit the bed in a little while. Sometimes I take two and I need to get back to that. I try to go out in the evening once a week to ToastMasters
Since I do nothing during the day I really don't need that much. I watch TV, dink on the computer and, once a week, I go the movies. My movie reviews are here: http://doggiewoofus.blogspot.com/ Please feel free to read and post movie stuff there
> The point is that we are not trying to fine tune our bodies to the degree > that an olympic athlete requires, only eating foods from a prescribed list [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > or something like that, and then try to achieve the impossible in a short > space of time. I'm not the bikini type, either. One Y chromosome.
jberm8556 - 27 Nov 2008 07:07 GMT My mom was about 290 lb and 5'1" for a long time, and so many times her Dr would tell her she need to lose the weight it is affecting the hart, Her Blood Pressure and it was the resin why she would get tired fast.
Her girl friend from China told her about Wu Yi tea and she gave it a try. I think it was about a 6 months the next time I saw her and almost didn’t recognize her I had never seen my mom that small ever even when was a kid. It was a different person standing in front of me. She had lost over 80 Lbs I was so proud of her. “She is my Queen” As if you could not tell already. Any ways I ran across the same tea on a site the other day my mom used. Hope I didn’t bore you all too much just wanted to share a proud moment. I don’t know if this may work for every one but it sure worked for her.
Oh that site was: http://hjlas.com/click/s=63706&c=101201&subid=jberm If any one want to take a look.
>If this is a duplicate, please accept my apologies. > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > >Ideas welcome. Thanks Info - 08 Dec 2008 23:19 GMT > If this is a duplicate, please accept my apologies. > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Ideas welcome. Thanks I weighed in at 184 on Nov 24 at the hospital I went to for an out-patient visit. I went to the local office of my HMO today and clocked 179. Five pounds in two weeks is too much. I need to up the calorie intake a bit. I'll increase the morning bran cereal breakfast. The extra fiber will also help.
Dee Flint - 09 Dec 2008 00:21 GMT >> If this is a duplicate, please accept my apologies. >> [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > I'll increase the morning bran cereal breakfast. The extra fiber will > also help. If you just started this program, it is normal to have larger losses the first week or two. The body dumps a lot of excess water at first when you switch to healthier food. If it continues at a high rate for several weeks, then it would be time to increase the calorie intake.
Info - 09 Dec 2008 02:44 GMT >>> If this is a duplicate, please accept my apologies. >>> [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > switch to healthier food. If it continues at a high rate for several > weeks, then it would be time to increase the calorie intake. Hey, thanks. I hadn't considered that, but I will up the bran cereal a little. There are hardly any caloies in it and I do need the fiber. I've cut back on portion sizes elsewhere and will leave them at their reduced level. I'll see you in two weeks after the next weight check. Thanks again.
aadarsh - 10 Dec 2008 08:00 GMT > If this is a duplicate, please accept my apologies. > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Ideas welcome. Thanks you are amazing you are taking the steps to give yourself lot of living energy keep it up
harryhsanford@googlemail.com - 10 Dec 2008 21:21 GMT > If this is a duplicate, please accept my apologies. > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Ideas welcome. Thanks IF YOUR FED UP WITH YOUR WEIGHT CONTROLING YOU BEFORE OR AFTER SURGERY AND YOU WANT TO GET BACK ON TRACK THEN CYNTHIA CAN HELP SHE WILL BE YOUR PERSONAL WEIGHT LOSS COACH AND SHE IS FREE EMAIL HER AT cynthia@accessmedicalsolutions.com and get a helathy you
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