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Info - 16 Nov 2008 07:34 GMT
If this is a duplicate, please accept my apologies.

I weigh 184 and am 5'7".  I need to lose twenty pounds and I cannot exercise
because I'm in a wheelchair.

What is your daily calorie intake and what do you eat to keep your taste
buds interested when you've cut back on food or calories?

I eat All Bran with skim milk in the AM and at least two apples a day. I
drink four or five glasses of water  a day, some decaf tea and two Metamucil
cocktails.  I also take several B-Complex vitamins. I ran into some 90
calorie "garden burgers" and 230 frozen dinners.  I hardly ever use salt.
Sometime I have half a sub from Subway.  A dietician said that is OK.

I stopped chocolate and ice cream months ago.  Fat free pudding and fruit
are my dessert, if I have any.

Do you eat soy burgers or other soy products?  I can make them taste good,
if I add a little low-cal salsa or other spicy stuff.

Ideas welcome.  Thanks
marcilall.com@gmail.com - 16 Nov 2008 16:54 GMT
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Hi there,

First off I wouldn't eliminate exercise altogether just because you're
in a wheel chair.

I assume you can use your arms??

If so you can easily do bicep curls, shoulder presses and an
assortment of other exercises while sitting in your wheel chair.  Just
by doing some of these exercises will help you burn some extra
calories and ultimately help you lose some weight as well as increase
your lean muscle which will help increase your metabolism.

Everyone's daily caloric intake is different.  However it seems that
you are on the right track in terms of eating healthy foods.

What you can do if you have a craving is to put some dark chocolate in
the freezer and when one of the cravings hit you, suck on the piece of
chocolate as if it were hard candy.  This will allow you to enjoy the
chocolate for a longer period of time without indulging.

Remember everything in moderation should be key, it seems like you
have a ton of discipline at this point so don't stop and keep going!

havent tried the soy burgers, but I am a big fam of veggie and turkey
burgers...salsa's always a nice treat!

Hope that helps.

Marci Lall
http://www.marcilall.com
Info - 17 Nov 2008 02:58 GMT
On Nov 16, 2:34 am, "Info" <i...@nwfirst.com> wrote:
> If this is a duplicate, please accept my apologies.
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> Ideas welcome. Thanks

Hi there,

First off I wouldn't eliminate exercise altogether just because you're
in a wheel chair.

I assume you can use your arms??

If so you can easily do bicep curls, shoulder presses and an
assortment of other exercises while sitting in your wheel chair.  Just
by doing some of these exercises will help you burn some extra
calories and ultimately help you lose some weight as well as increase
your lean muscle which will help increase your metabolism.

Everyone's daily caloric intake is different.  However it seems that
you are on the right track in terms of eating healthy foods.

What you can do if you have a craving is to put some dark chocolate in
the freezer and when one of the cravings hit you, suck on the piece of
chocolate as if it were hard candy.  This will allow you to enjoy the
chocolate for a longer period of time without indulging.

Remember everything in moderation should be key, it seems like you
have a ton of discipline at this point so don't stop and keep going!

havent tried the soy burgers, but I am a big fam of veggie and turkey
burgers...salsa's always a nice treat!

Hope that helps.

Marci Lall
http://www.marcilall.com

--------

The arms don't work either.  They'll move, just as the legs will, but it's
fatiguing because of the disease.
http://www.charcot-marie-tooth.org/about_cmt/overview.php  Exercise won't
work.

Does anyone have an opinion about the reliability of this websites:
http://www.calorieking.com/

Thanks
James G - 16 Nov 2008 20:29 GMT
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> What is your daily calorie intake and what do you eat to keep your taste
> buds interested when you've cut back on food or calories?

My baseline metabolic rate is around 2200 (although I suspect it's
gone down a bit, as I've lost weight).  Right now, I'm taking in
anywhere from 1000-1500 calories a day.  Most days I hit 1200 pretty
consistently, but no diet is without falter.

I'm a resident undergraduate student, so my choices are unfortunately
somewhat limited, but on a average weekday:

Breakfast (~300 cal)
Generally, nothing.  But if I do eat something, it's a bagel with
cream cheese & black coffee

Lunch (~500 cal)
A wrap or sandwich (anything from buffalo chicken to turkey club)
A bag of chips (generally try to stick to something in the 200 cal
range)

Occasionally, I'll opt for a 6" sub instead (turkey+green peppers).

Dinner (~600 cal)
This is my grabbag meal.  I generally end up with some kind of meat/
veggie mix from an all-you-care-to-eat facility, but sometimes I opt
for two slices of pizza or something instead.

Snack (80 cal)
I chow down on a Dannon Light & Fit Yogurt.  They're the best I've
found, to date.  Sometimes I stir in a little granola.

> I eat All Bran with skim milk in the AM and at least two apples a day. I
> drink four or five glasses of water  a day, some decaf tea and two Metamucil
> cocktails.  I also take several B-Complex vitamins. I ran into some 90
> calorie "garden burgers" and 230 frozen dinners.  I hardly ever use salt.
> Sometime I have half a sub from Subway.  A dietician said that is OK.

Subway is a tough call.  In pop culture, it's the "healthy"
alternative.  In reality, a lot of their sandwiches are going to do
you a lot worse than a fast-food burger.

Stick to cold subs there (and in general; Quizno's etc.), and take a
look at their nutritional information.  Most of the information is
fairly on the level, but the sodium level in a lot of the subs is
somewhat disturbing.  I generally stick to Ham & Turkey (+green
peppers and black olives.  Shredded lettuce is a waste of time, and
peppers are more satisfying), or maybe an Italian if I've got calories
to spare.

> I stopped chocolate and ice cream months ago.  Fat free pudding and fruit
> are my dessert, if I have any.

I've heard mixed things about double-churned ice cream, but it seems
like a reasonable way to go, if you want to spoil yourself.

I know SmartOnes also makes a small icecream/cookie dessert that
weighs in at about 130 calories.  It's not very much at all, but it
takes the edge off sometimes, and it's very tasty.  (I'd say overall,
not worth the money, though)

The thing about dessert is that it's almost impossible to moderate.
It's hard to self-discipline to eat just one cookie, etc.  Modern
portions and bulk sales unfortunately hurt everyone here.
Alternatively, I suppose you could use some plastic baggies and make
little dessert "packages" for yourself.  Stick to the package, and
you'll know what you've eaten.

> Do you eat soy burgers or other soy products?  I can make them taste good,
> if I add a little low-cal salsa or other spicy stuff.
>
> Ideas welcome.  Thanks

I'm not sure I've tried a soy burger before, but I've tried some
variety of veggie burger before, and it was awful.  It's just not
worth it to me.  The appeal of a burger to me is a big juicy slab of
meat between bread with some veggies.  Take away the big slab of meat,
and I'd just as soon rather switch up and make some other dish that
avoids the meat.

Somewhat unconventional, but take a look at individually packaged
soups.  I eat Cup O' Noodles often enough, and I find it very filling
for only 300 calories (and hot!).  I don't worry myself to death about
the sodium, because I'm hydrating so much anyway.  Alternatively,
Healthy Choice also makes AWESOME soups (vegetable/roast/etc.) for
about 200 calories apiece.

In general, it seems like filling yourself with something HOT really
helps satiate the hunger without going over on calories.

The one thing I think a lot of people overlook on a diet (myself
included) is variety.  If you eat the same thing, or the same variety
of things all the time, you're going to get bored.  When you get
bored, you'll start craving something else.  And if you don't answer
that by trying new things and experimenting, you'll snap and break a
pattern eventually (Pringles are my personal demons).
mikesmith9999@hotmail.com - 17 Nov 2008 04:16 GMT
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I would advise you to learn to cook. And stop polluting your body with
industrial food and stuff made in a laboratory. Are your B-Complex
vitamins made from coal? If you visited the place where they produce
and saw the making from A to Z, I'm sure you would say "no thank you!"
if offered to try the pill. Extremely disturbing.
Info - 17 Nov 2008 05:01 GMT
On 16 nov, 02:34, "Info" <i...@nwfirst.com> wrote:
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> Ideas welcome. Thanks

I would advise you to learn to cook. And stop polluting your body with
industrial food and stuff made in a laboratory. Are your B-Complex
vitamins made from coal? If you visited the place where they produce
and saw the making from A to Z, I'm sure you would say "no thank you!"
if offered to try the pill. Extremely disturbing.

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I cooked for myself every day for 30 years and in restaurants for 5 years .
I can't any more because I can't hold a pan any longer or stand up without
support.
I have seizures and I use a machine at night so I don't stop breathing.

http://www.charcot-marie-tooth.org/about_cmt/overview.php

http://www.epilepsyfoundation.org/

http://www.sleepapnea.org/
Kate XXXXXX - 17 Nov 2008 08:27 GMT
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> I cooked for myself every day for 30 years and in restaurants for 5 years .
> I can't any more because I can't hold a pan any longer or stand up without
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> http://www.sleepapnea.org/

Sounds like you have one of the more severe cases.  I'm sorry to hear
that.  Even with CPAP, the broken nights are going to exacerbate the
other problems.

Is there anyone who could cook batches of stuff for you that could then
be frozen in single portion lots?  A nice variety of low fat,
calorie-counted home cooked meals that you could simply defrost and zap,
followed by fresh fruit, home-made pure fruit smoothie frozen lollies
and the like would probably be more to your taste, more filling, and a
lot better for you than factory processed foods.  Frozen low fat yoghurt
deserts, fresh ones, and occasional Skinny Cow treats are permited as
well, just for fun.

If you could get together with a friend and provide recipe and
ingredients and swap those and advice for muscle power, you could both
end up with a freezer full of delicious meals and soups that would fill
you up and not bloat you with excess salt (Subway are particularly bad
for that), flood you with chemicals and what Jamie Oliver calls
'bollock-burgers' (made with 'mechanically recovered meat', or animal
sludge that is mostly fat), or are bulked out with useless stuff like
guar gum.

The Weight Watchers recipe books are full of excellent recipes that
work, and many are very good for freezing.  I recently helped a friend
make a vast batch of several different soups like this for a her father
in law, and elderly gent dying of non-Hodgkinson's Lymphoma, who needed
some decent nutriton that was easy to prepare, tempting when he was
exhausted, and could be frozen in single portions that were very zappable.

I tend to batch cook soups, and some stews and casseroles.  I also
freeze the 'spare' portions from 4 person recipes as there are only
three of us.  It gives us a chance for a decent home cooked meal on
those days that the fibromyalgia takes over and I'm incapable of
anything remotely related to cooking.
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mikesmith9999@hotmail.com - 17 Nov 2008 15:27 GMT
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I apologize.

For Vitamin B, I've been  advised to get it from *natural* yeast that
you can mix with low-fat, no sugar added, yogurt. Do you have
organisations in your area that can help you with cooking?
Info - 17 Nov 2008 17:55 GMT
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I apologize.

For Vitamin B, I've been  advised to get it from *natural* yeast that
you can mix with low-fat, no sugar added, yogurt. Do you have
organisations in your area that can help you with cooking?
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Thank you, Mike.  It's almost not necessary but a delight to find someone on
Usenet who
will apologize for something.  I'm a little embarrassed right now.  Your
response hit a nerve, last night,
and I almost ripped you a big one. Again, thank you.

My wife does all the cooking.  It's healthy food and I keep the portions
small.  It's breakfast and
lunch that I have to take care of.

I was eating the yogurt you mentioned, but I fell off the wagon.  I'll get
bake on it, today.

I keep the carbs high because two of the drugs I take cause constipation.  I
take a stool softener,
but I need to get rid of what I eat easily and the softener doesn't work
well enough.
 I can still walk with a walker, but using the stove and microwave are
getting too dicey.
Early next year the stove will have become impossible.  We are moving the
microwave
to put it at waist-level so I can get to it while sitting down.
I am contacting every organization that I can think of and am going to see
rehab doctors and
OT departments at several hospitals outside my HMO.
mikesmith9999@hotmail.com - 17 Nov 2008 21:32 GMT
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> response hit a nerve, last night,
> and I almost ripped you a big one. Again, thank you.

It's all good. :) One the best advice I can give you is that before
trying to figure out what your menu should be that you build your menu
around veggies. Eat as much veggie you can in a day and you won't have
much have room left for anything left. I'm a steak person. I could
have it for breakfast, no problem. I cooked a large piece of it last
night, enough to feed two persons. If I had not had anything else to
eat, I would have eaten all of it, and would have been hungry an hour
later. What I did is to have a herbal tea and a huge soup of only
veggies. After that, I did not have enough space for the whole steak,
so I ate only the half of it, and kept the rest for the next day. When
it comes to weight-management, nothing beats the veggies!
Martin Levac - 17 Nov 2008 22:47 GMT
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> so I ate only the half of it, and kept the rest for the next day. When
> it comes to weight-management, nothing beats the veggies!

The China study shows that those who ate the most fruits and vegetables
were also the fattest. So it would seem that for weight management, at
least if the purpose is to grow fatter, then eating veggies is the way
to go.

You'd have been better off eating the whole steak. Steak is meat and
meat contains no carbohydrates.

Carbohydrates drive insulin drives fat accumulation.
mikesmith9999@hotmail.com - 17 Nov 2008 23:14 GMT
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"THE" China study? Never heard of it. If it was done by Chinese, then
I would not rely to much on it. The statement you mane is a too broad,
anyway. You're not telling me WICH fruits they eat. I eat mostly those
that don't make my glands produce too much fat-storing hormones. As
for steak, I buy the one containing no hormones or antibiotics.
Martin Levac - 17 Nov 2008 23:31 GMT
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> that don't make my glands produce too much fat-storing hormones. As
> for steak, I buy the one containing no hormones or antibiotics.

All fruits and vegetables contain carbohydrates to some degree. There is
only one fat-storing hormone, it's insulin and it's not a gland that
makes it, it's the pancreas. More specifically, the beta cells inside
the pancreas. And there is only two things that make the pancreas
secrete and release insulin, it's carbohydrates and protein. But there's
only one of those that causes fat to accumulate, it's carbohydrates.

The mechanism is complicated and even I don't know everything that goes
on but I'll try to explain it in the simplest terms I can.

As I said, insulin is a storage hormone. Its primary function is to
store nutrients, all nutrients inside fat cells. Insulin is the primary
regulator of fat cells. Fat is stored inside fat cells as triglycerides.
Fat is also transported as triglycerides. But triglycerides are too big
to go through the fat cell membrane so it must be dismantled. Fat enters
and exits fat cells as fatty acids. Once inside, the fatty acids are
recombined into triglycerides using a molecule called alpha glycerol
phosphate i.e. glycerol.

This glycerol molecule is critical to fat accumulation. Without it,
fatty acids can't be bound and fat can't be stored. This molecule is the
by-product of glucose metabolism inside fat cells.

As fat cells use glucose, they produce glycerol. This glycerol is used
to recombine fatty acids into triglycerides for storage. As we eat
carbohydrates, blood glucose rises, insulin rises, insulin takes glucose
(and fatty acids) and stores it inside fat cells, fat cells use glucose,
produce glycerol which can then be used to recombine the fatty acids
into triglycerides for storage. Fat accumulates, we grow fat.

Protein doesn't cause glucose to rise so it can't cause fat accumulation
like I explained above even though it causes insulin to rise. However,
in the context of a low carb diet, eating protein can cause a stall in
fat loss temporarily because it causes insulin to rise temporarily. The
solution to this is easy, eat less protein but eat more fat.
Doug Freyburger - 18 Nov 2008 15:37 GMT
> All fruits and vegetables contain carbohydrates to some degree. There is
> only one fat-storing hormone, it's insulin and it's not a gland that
> makes it, it's the pancreas. More specifically, the beta cells inside
> the pancreas.

Ah.  At this point you've finally come out as a no-carb troll.
History says no-carb trolls don't last so you're not a problem.

> And there is only two things that make the pancreas
> secrete and release insulin, it's carbohydrates and protein. But there's
> only one of those that causes fat to accumulate, it's carbohydrates.

This is incorrect.  It's only carbs.  See glucogenesis for how
excess protein is converted to glucose for use as fuel.

> The mechanism is complicated and even I don't know everything that goes
> on but I'll try to explain it in the simplest terms I can.

The mechanism is only complicated to people who want it to be
as simple as "if low carb is good, then lower carb is better and
zero carb is best".  If it were that simple every single low carb
book out there would recommend doing exactly that.  None do
and without exception folks who draw out quotes on the topic
to support that view ignore the context from the book they are
quoting.

Below some point in dietary carbs eating less carb does not
result in lower insulin release.  Lower isn't better all the way to
zero.

> Protein doesn't cause glucose to rise

Incorrect.  See glucogenesis for how excess dietary protein is
converted to glucose at a bit over 50% energy efficiency.

> ... However,
> in the context of a low carb diet, eating protein can cause a stall in
> fat loss temporarily because it causes insulin to rise temporarily. The
> solution to this is easy, eat less protein but eat more fat.

Also incorrect.  This ignores the fact that fat is pulled from storage
based on the concentration of the hormone glucagon and that
glucagon is released in an indirect result of (dietary fat calories
minus dietary carb calories) and that's why low carbing is high
fat.
Dee Flint - 17 Nov 2008 13:45 GMT
> If this is a duplicate, please accept my apologies.
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> Ideas welcome.  Thanks

You should have AT LEAST 6 glasses (eight ounces each) of water per day.
Check out the government food pyramid for calories requirements and
nutritional requirements. They list recommendations for losing as well as
maintaining weight.  If this is too confusing, joint Weight Watchers and
follow their points system.

There's a huge variety of fruits and vegetables available and these should
be your mainstay.  If you want to avoid sodium, use fresh or frozen ones or
read the labels very carefully to find the no sodium added kind.
Doug Freyburger - 17 Nov 2008 15:45 GMT
> If this is a duplicate, please accept my apologies.

Why did you include the eating disorders group in the list?

> I weigh 184 and am 5'7".  I need to lose twenty pounds and

Note that insurance tables tend to run 10 pounds to light.  If you
used insurance tables to set your goal then you actually need to
lose ten not twenty.  Just how did you select your goal?  It
doesn't seem far enough from a practical goal that you'd include
the eating disorder group.

> I cannot exercise because I'm in a wheelchair.

Exercise is relative to one's current fitness level.  Don't get duped
by the falacy that it has to be in the gym to count as exercise.
Any level of movement that stretches your current level of fitness
is exercise no matter that level of fitness.  This could be from best
efforts to move your limbs around to control your power chair with
your hands instead of your tongue all the way through doing a 10K
run because you're accustomed to doing 5K runs.  What you can
do is what you can do and it counts in your own context.

> What is your daily calorie intake and what do you eat to keep your taste
> buds interested when you've cut back on food or calories?

What I do to keep my tastes interested is low carb not low fat.
You did include a low carb support group in your posting after all.
Not only does low carb work as well as low fat, I think the foods
taste better and they are just as filling even if they aren't as
bulky.

> I eat All Bran with skim milk in the AM and at least two apples a day. I
> drink four or five glasses of water  a day, some decaf tea and two Metamucil
> cocktails.  I also take several B-Complex vitamins. I ran into some 90
> calorie "garden burgers" and 230 frozen dinners.  I hardly ever use salt.
> Sometime I have half a sub from Subway.  A dietician said that is OK.

Dieticians rarely have a clue about low carb and often blindly endorse
low fat without any idea of why.  Not that there's anything wrong with
going low fat if it works for you without hunger but it is most
certainly
not the one healthy way and only magic cure to all the worlds ills.

> I stopped chocolate and ice cream months ago.  Fat free pudding and fruit
> are my dessert, if I have any.

Okay for low fat.  Your choice in that.  Dessert as a goal or a
regular
feature of meals isn't compatible with watning to lose weight in my
very biased opinion.

> Do you eat soy burgers or other soy products?  I can make them taste good,
> if I add a little low-cal salsa or other spicy stuff.

I have no interest in meat substitutes.  It's one of the advantages of
low
carb that my meals are generous portions of veggies with actual meat
cut from delicious animals.  I'm happy to have tofu along with the
standard
generous portion of veggies but it's not something I do every week.
Yes,
spicing the soy up is the way to go.
jay - 17 Nov 2008 17:42 GMT
> Ideas welcome.  Thanks

Drop all the processed foods. Eat simply prepared fresh/whole fruits,
veggies, beans and limited grains, nuts, meat, dairy, etc.
Supplemental fiber (extra carbs), OK.
Martin Levac - 17 Nov 2008 21:23 GMT
>> Ideas welcome.  Thanks
>
> Drop all the processed foods. Eat simply prepared fresh/whole fruits,
> veggies, beans and limited grains, nuts, meat, dairy, etc.
> Supplemental fiber (extra carbs), OK.

Drop all carbs. Eat only meat. Any meat will do. Fatty meat preferably.
Supplement with vitamin D. Stay in bed. Read a book. Start with Good
Calories Bad Calories by Gary Taubes. When your health returns, which
will happen pretty quickly on this kind of diet, you won't need to be
told to go out and play. You will simply do it as a result of returning
to good health.
jay - 18 Nov 2008 16:12 GMT
> ...Eat only meat. Fatty meat preferably. ...

Many persistent environmental pollutants (ie PCBs, dioxins,
pesticides, herbicides, plasticizers, heavy metals, solvents, etc) are
lipohilic.  A diet high in animal fat will significantly increase
exposure to such pollutants. See
www.newscientist.com/article/mg19926731.900-could-the-diabetes-epidemic-be-down-
to-pollution.html?full=true


Search www.pubmed.com for "TCDD" (a dioxin) to see the effects of one
such pollutant.
Tanel Kagan - 25 Nov 2008 14:03 GMT
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Hi there,

Let me try and break this down.

I've been on the "Special K diet" for about 6-7 weeks.  Thing is, I don't
really like to call it a "diet" as such, because I do eat a bowl for
breakfast and a bowl for lunch, with basically whatever I want in the
evening, but I guess millions and millions of people eat cornflakes in the
morning anyway so are they all "dieting" in one sense of the word?

In those 6-7 weeks I've lost 6-7 kilos, or about 13-15 lbs.  In other words,
about a kilo or 2lbs a week.  I'm 6'1" and weighed 113 kg (248 lbs), now I
weigh about 106kg (233 lbs).

First of all, you say you need to lose 20 lbs, but how quickly are you
proposing to do it?  If you aim to lose 20 lbs in about 8-10 weeks, then I
think that's quite feasible and won't do you any harm.  On the other hand,
if you're trying to lose 20 lbs in 4 weeks, then not only are you going to
find it difficult, but you'll probably be restricting your body's
nutritional intake to an extent that isn't healthy.

I started by looking at the recommended average daily calorie intake for a
man.  It's supposed to be 2,500 for men and 2,000 for women.

I then said to myself "ok, factor in your exercise level and job".  I have
an office job, and exercise is something I get around to once every few
weeks.  So I figured that if 2,500 is the average, I probably needed to
reduce the "baseline" a bit.  So I set my "baseline" at 2,000 calories a
day.  I think this is an important step because if you don't exercise and
don't have a manual job that requires energy, and you're still looking at
2,500 as the minimum, then you won't really see results.  On the other hand,
if you're a lumberjack by trade and finish it off with a game of squash at
the gym, then your basic requirement is going to be somewhat higher.

Of course, that figure is the basic number of calories that you are supposed
to consume to be at a stable level.  If you're looking to lose weight, then
your target has to be a bit lower than that.  So I said to myself that I'd
aim for 1,500 to 1,750 calories a day.

Now some people will be quick to say "oh calorie counting doesn't work".
Well it doesn't work for many people simply because a) they don't have the
discipline to follow it and b) it's not always obvious how many calories
they're consuming.

In my opinion, calorie counting *has* to work.  When you strip away
everything else, you're left with a basic, fundamental principle, that what
goes in minus what goes out equals what's left.  Of course, different
people's respond differently to different things, but ultimately if you're
expending a certain amount of energy which is greater than the amount of
chemical energy contained in the food you eat, then your body will look to
burn its own fat reserves to make up the deficit, rather than the opposite
scenario when you consume more than you expend such that the body stores the
additional chemical energy as fat.

I suppose I'm fortunate in that I've never had an addiction to sweet food
and chocolate.  I enjoy them, yes, but I can go for ages without them and
not miss them.  Rather, my weakness is to takeaway food so part of the plan
was to cut that down.  By implication, cutting down on these foods reduced
my calorie intake, since most are very high in calories, but the key point
was that nothing is off-limits.

The cereal in the morning is about 250 calories, same again at lunch.
Sometimes I'll actually substitute the lunchtime bowl with some fruit, also
does the trick.  This way, if I've used up about 500 calories, I can enjoy a
nice meal with 1,250-1,500 calories in the evening.

Yes, there are some people that will say "oh but you need more calories in
the morning", and others will say "you shouldn't eat after such and such
hour", but I think they're missing the point.

The point is that we are not trying to fine tune our bodies to the degree
that an olympic athlete requires, only eating foods from a prescribed list
and at certain times of day.  What we are trying to do (at least what I was
trying to do) was to begin to invoke a general trend in my eating habits,
resulting in a gradual weight loss.  What many people tend to do is hit the
spring, fresh from the excesses of Christmas/New Year and start thinking "oh
I need to get that bikini body" (I don't wear one myself...) or something
like that, and then try to achieve the impossible in a short space of time.
James G - 25 Nov 2008 18:24 GMT
On Nov 25, 9:03 am, "Tanel Kagan" <tanelkagan@
(nospamatall).hotmail.com> wrote:

> Yes, there are some people that will say "oh but you need more calories in
> the morning", and others will say "you shouldn't eat after such and such
> hour", but I think they're missing the point.

I agree with you on most of your post, but there is a notable
exception here.  Anybody with diabetes or at risk for diabetes should
take their blood sugar into account.

I would say the most important thing is to NOT change the structure of
your eating.  Just change WHAT you eat and HOW MUCH you eat.

But at the end of the day, thermodynamics wins.  You just can't
support excess weight if you choke the body's energy supply.
Info - 26 Nov 2008 20:51 GMT
>> If this is a duplicate, please accept my apologies.
>>
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> words, about a kilo or 2lbs a week.  I'm 6'1" and weighed 113 kg (248
> lbs), now I weigh about 106kg (233 lbs).

Congratulations

> First of all, you say you need to lose 20 lbs, but how quickly are you
> proposing to do it?  If you aim to lose 20 lbs in about 8-10 weeks, then I
> think that's quite feasible and won't do you any harm.  On the other hand,
> if you're trying to lose 20 lbs in 4 weeks, then not only are you going to
> find it difficult, but you'll probably be restricting your body's
> nutritional intake to an extent that isn't healthy.

I'll be happy with losing for 20 pounds in 15 weeks.  I need to do this
slowly because I'm in a wheelchair.
Exercise is not an option and I take a lot of drugs that cause fatigue.

> I started by looking at the recommended average daily calorie intake for a
> man.  It's supposed to be 2,500 for men and 2,000 for women.
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> squash at the gym, then your basic requirement is going to be somewhat
> higher.

I'm disabled and use a walker indoors and will need an electric wheelchair
indoors soon.

> Of course, that figure is the basic number of calories that you are
> supposed to consume to be at a stable level.  If you're looking to lose
> weight, then your target has to be a bit lower than that.  So I said to
> myself that I'd aim for 1,500 to 1,750 calories a day.

I'm aiming for 1,200 to 1,500.

> Now some people will be quick to say "oh calorie counting doesn't work".
> Well it doesn't work for many people simply because a) they don't have the
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> scenario when you consume more than you expend such that the body stores
> the additional chemical energy as fat.

I agree with the calorie counting.  I didn't know enough about the calorie
count of various stuff until I started this dieting.

My wife fixes food at Dinners Ready, http://www.dinnersready.com/Main.aspx,
and we're turning their 6 serving meals into 8 serving leals to cut down on
the calories.

> I suppose I'm fortunate in that I've never had an addiction to sweet food
> and chocolate.  I enjoy them, yes, but I can go for ages without them and
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> also does the trick.  This way, if I've used up about 500 calories, I can
> enjoy a nice meal with 1,250-1,500 calories in the evening.

Same here with my bran cereal with non-fat milk or light fruited yogurt.

I'll have an apple in the AM and a sandwich or bean burrito for lunch.

> Yes, there are some people that will say "oh but you need more calories in
> the morning", and others will say "you shouldn't eat after such and such
> hour", but I think they're missing the point.

I'm at my strongest in the evening because I have sleep apnea and just don't
get
good enough sleep at night.  I need to nap during the day.  After that nap.
I'm recharged.
I'll hit the bed in a little while.  Sometimes I take two and I need to get
back to that.
I try to go out in the evening once a week to ToastMasters

Since I do nothing during the day I really don't need that much.  I watch
TV, dink on the computer and, once a week, I go the movies.  My movie
reviews are here: http://doggiewoofus.blogspot.com/ Please feel free to read
and post movie stuff there

> The point is that we are not trying to fine tune our bodies to the degree
> that an olympic athlete requires, only eating foods from a prescribed list
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> or something like that, and then try to achieve the impossible in a short
> space of time.

I'm not the bikini type, either.  One Y chromosome.
jberm8556 - 27 Nov 2008 07:07 GMT
My mom was about 290 lb and 5'1" for a long time, and so many times her Dr
would tell her she need to lose the weight it is affecting the hart, Her
Blood Pressure and it was the resin why she would get tired fast.

Her girl friend from China told her about Wu Yi tea and she gave it a try. I
think it was about a 6 months the next time I saw her and almost didn’t
recognize her I had never seen my mom that small ever even when  was a kid.
It was a different person standing in front of me. She had lost over 80 Lbs I
was so proud of her. “She is my Queen” As if you could not tell already. Any
ways I ran across the same tea on a site the other day my mom used.  Hope I
didn’t bore you all too much just wanted to share a proud moment. I don’t
know if this may work for every one but it sure worked for her.

Oh that site was: http://hjlas.com/click/s=63706&c=101201&subid=jberm If any
one want to take a look.

>If this is a duplicate, please accept my apologies.
>
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>
>Ideas welcome.  Thanks
Info - 08 Dec 2008 23:19 GMT
> If this is a duplicate, please accept my apologies.
>
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>
> Ideas welcome.  Thanks

I weighed in at 184 on Nov 24 at the hospital I went to for an out-patient
visit.  I went to the local office of my HMO today and clocked 179.  Five
pounds in two weeks is too much.  I need to up the calorie intake a  bit.
I'll increase the morning bran cereal breakfast.  The extra fiber will also
help.
Dee Flint - 09 Dec 2008 00:21 GMT
>> If this is a duplicate, please accept my apologies.
>>
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> I'll increase the morning bran cereal breakfast.  The extra fiber will
> also help.

If you just started this program, it is normal to have larger losses the
first week or two.  The body dumps a lot of excess water at first when you
switch to healthier food.  If it continues at a high rate for several weeks,
then it would be time to increase the calorie intake.
Info - 09 Dec 2008 02:44 GMT
>>> If this is a duplicate, please accept my apologies.
>>>
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> switch to healthier food.  If it continues at a high rate for several
> weeks, then it would be time to increase the calorie intake.

Hey, thanks.  I hadn't considered that, but I will up the bran cereal a
little.  There are hardly any caloies in it and I do need the fiber.  I've
cut back on portion sizes elsewhere and will leave them at their reduced
level.  I'll see you in two weeks after the next weight check.  Thanks
again.
aadarsh - 10 Dec 2008 08:00 GMT
> If this is a duplicate, please accept my apologies.
>
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>
> Ideas welcome.  Thanks

you are amazing
you are taking the steps to give yourself lot of living energy
keep it up
harryhsanford@googlemail.com - 10 Dec 2008 21:21 GMT
> If this is a duplicate, please accept my apologies.
>
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>
> Ideas welcome.  Thanks

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AND YOU WANT TO GET BACK ON TRACK THEN CYNTHIA CAN HELP SHE WILL BE
YOUR PERSONAL WEIGHT LOSS COACH AND SHE IS FREE  EMAIL HER AT
cynthia@accessmedicalsolutions.com   and get a helathy you
 
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