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Weight Loss Forum / General Topics / June 2009Expert: It's your fault if you're a fatty
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10575537 Expert: It's your fault if you're a fatty 4:00AM Sunday May 31, 2009 By Anna Leask and Geraldine Johns A leading expert in human nutrition has caused outrage by calling "over-fatness" a self-inflicted burden on the taxpayer. Professor John Birkbeck, adjunct professor in human nutrition at Massey University, said anti-obesity efforts won't work until society refuses to accept the condition as normal and healthy, as it has done for smoking. The 76-year-old, who moved into semi-retirement this week after 50 years in his field, rejected the notion that some people will get fat regardless of their efforts to keep weight down. While acknowledging that some may have a genetic propensity to obesity, he said: "You can't get over-fat without eating more calories than you expend." Birkbeck even cited concentration camps to illustrate his point. "You do not see fat people in concentration camps. Why? Because they get hardly anything to eat and they have to do a lot of work." Birkbeck also said "over-fatness" was a bigger problem with Maori and Pacific Islanders than Europeans and an emerging issue with Asian migrants. Professor John Birkbeck, adjunct professor in human nutrition at Massey University, said anti-obesity efforts won't work until society refuses to accept the condition as normal and healthy, as it has done for smoking. The 76-year-old, who moved into semi-retirement this week after 50 years in his field, rejected the notion that some people will get fat regardless of their efforts to keep weight down. While acknowledging that some may have a genetic propensity to obesity, he said: "You can't get over-fat without eating more calories than you expend." Birkbeck even cited concentration camps to illustrate his point. "You do not see fat people in concentration camps. Why? Because they get hardly anything to eat and they have to do a lot of work." Birkbeck also said "over-fatness" was a bigger problem with Maori and Pacific Islanders than Europeans and an emerging issue with Asian migrants. Maree Burns, coordinator of the Auckland-based Eating Difficulties Education Network, said they were "flagrant", "inappropriate", "intolerant" and "offensive". "Shaming and blaming people has never been effective. This is the worst example of fat phobia and doesn't achieve anything except building discrimination," she said. "People that are bigger already experience profound levels of discrimination and feel like health pariahs and social outcasts without these kinds of attitudes. With comments like that I am glad he's retiring." She was particularly upset by his race-based comments. "Maori and Pacific Islanders have bigger bone structures and bigger bodies. To use BMI and make comparisons across ethnic groups is inappropriate." Birkbeck caused further outrage by saying methods used to reduce obesity rates had failed. "In a dictatorship, you say 'everybody that comes back in a year's time with a Body Mass Index (BMI) of more than 30 will be shot' - and you'll find hardly anyone has a BMI over 30. "But you can't do that in society, so what we have to do is find a way to cajole and coerce. And I don't think they've done enough of that." Burns said that some people were destined to be fat and were "perfectly fine" at their body weights. She said a lot of people were overweight as a result of constant dieting, which was unsustainable because it led to cravings and binge eating. The way to curb obesity was to encourage a lifestyle change - which groups like hers were working to do. Obesity Action Coalition director Leigh Sturgiss said the condition should be blamed on environment rather than the individual. "While there is some aspect of people making choices for themselves, we do live in an environment that doesn't promote healthy eating," she said. "I am quite surprised he is saying these things. I would have thought we were past these kinds of positions. He's quite controversial." > http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10575537 > [quoted text clipped - 91 lines] > "I am quite surprised he is saying these things. I would have thought we > were past these kinds of positions. He's quite controversial." Well, the joke is on the “expert” in reality one of the biggest drains on the taxpayers of most western nations is the aging population issue. But nobody wants to broach that problem because it wouldn’t be nice or practical to blame the old farts for living well past what government medical benefits and pension plans was designed for. Blaming fat people is a lot more obvious and in reality fun for these dorks. Not to be harsh but if he is truly concerned for the taxpayers of NZ, I’d suggest that this old bastard take a good look in the mirror and shoot himself in the head before he goes into full retirement and starts fully sucking on the government teat. Ragnar In article <afeb95d4-2867-47a0-ad3b-9fe5604db57c@g20g2000vba.googlegroups.com>, > > http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10575537 > > [quoted text clipped - 105 lines] > > Ragnar I presume that his retirement is payed by employment and the stiff taxes by the rest of the industrial, civilized world, that pay for universal health care, child care, and five week vacations as well. If we had nationalized health care, logically, our farm policies would change to support healthier foods, and we would have a less toxic environment in order to keep health costs down. Want to be healthier? Exercise, eat 5 servings of fruits and vegetables a day, and stay away from the empty calories of processed foods.  Signature- Billy "For the first time in the history of the world, every human being is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=En2TzBE0lp4 http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1050688.html > If we had nationalized health care, logically, our farm policies would > change to support healthier foods, and we would have a less toxic > environment in order to keep health costs down. Sure, if Big Brother ran everything, it would be a green paradise. The problem is that history has shown otherwise. Communist countries have proven to be dirty holes whose inhabitants ravaged the environment. Collectivism is bad for the environment, because cleaning up is always someone else's problem. > > If we had nationalized health care, logically, our farm policies would > > change to support healthier foods, and we would have a less toxic [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > for > the environment, because cleaning up is always someone else's problem. You stupid person. The Soviet Union was never Communist, it was an oligarchy as is Russia, China, and the United States. Don't you know anything? Signature- Billy "For the first time in the history of the world, every human being is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=En2TzBE0lp4 http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1050688.html > In article <20090616102406....@gmail.com>, > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > anything? > -- An Oligarchy by definition is government by a few elite individuals. An argument can be made that the former communist Soviet Union is an oligarchy because free elections are generally rigged in favor of the hand picked successors of the governing elite. But in the US the power is still with the people. The power of free democratic elections in theory prevents the wealthy elite from ruling with impunity. So in reality the US is NOT an oligarchy in its true form. The problem in recent years has been the fact that money drives the US political spectrum and not the actual issues, which gives the impression that politics is only for the rich elite. The real problem behind this is that the US population has been bought and silenced with electronic gadgets, easy credit, substandard education and soft living so that they have either forgotten how to or they just don’t care enough to take back political control. If the mainstream population in the US were actually more interested in the goings on in DC than what’s happening on American Idol, the political hacks in Washington and their pet lobbyists would be sh.tting bricks. Ragnar >> In article <20090616102406....@gmail.com>, >> [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] >they have either forgotten how to or they just dont care enough to >take back political control. Some of the same factors that turned them into Big Fat Lazy Blobs Justin >If the mainstream population in the US were actually more interested >in the goings on in DC than whats happening on American Idol, the >political hacks in Washington and their pet lobbyists would be >sh.tting bricks. > >Ragnar > >> In article <20090616102406....@gmail.com>, > >> [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > Justin Fat bodies, fat minds, take your pick. If you hadn't noticed, most people are working like dogs to stay afloat. They are lucky if they can help their kids with their homework much less keep up with the bullshit that is Washington, D.C. http://www.democracynow.org/ will help. If you are going to make an asinine remark, please try to base it in reality, and not just print what you have recently grabbed from your bottom. Signature- Billy "For the first time in the history of the world, every human being is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=En2TzBE0lp4 http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1050688.html > http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10575537 > [quoted text clipped - 99 lines] > "I am quite surprised he is saying these things. I would have thought we > were past these kinds of positions. He's quite controversial." I would say there is some truth to Birbeck's musings but the delivery is pathetic. It's often social/societal factors, some needless and unfair, which 'drive' people to fatness. RE: Pacific Islander types. It's not clear from Birkbeck's statement if he's refering to an emerging phenomenon where these peoples are exposed to more processed (westernised?) diets or if he means native type diets. The latter would be unjustified. Yes they're huge but due largely to fish proteins. .... Pause for web search.... http://www.faqs.org/nutrition/Ome-Pop/Pacific-Islanders-Diet-of.html Seems to support what I would have naturally concluded on the limited knowledge of the region. Also highlights the factors, i.e. poverty, stress and other aspects of 'modern' living which in my view any sensible person would determine as the root causes of fatness. Just a guess tho. All that said, clearly fatter people cost society (yes, the same one which failed them) and the environment more. > http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10575537 > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > University, said anti-obesity efforts won't work until society refuses to > accept the condition as normal and healthy, as it has done for smoking. It has only been a century or so since we have had famines. People who can easily put on weight (store energy) have a better chance of surviving them than people who can't store energy. The ability to store energy is genetically predisposed. Active Fat People Are Healthier than Sedentary Thin People http://weight-loss-methods.suite101.com/article.cfm/exercise_improves_hea lth_more_than_weight_loss The problem is that we are over fed and undernourished by cheap calories called processed foods or pre-prepared foods (white flour, soy oil, and corn syrup). These should be avoided at all cost. The media's icon of health is young and thin. Young, we have no control over, and thin, is mostly a matter of genetics. It's time for the media to stop perpetuating such impossible goals, and time for us to accept that we are good as we are. Of course, there comes a point, when there is too much of a good thing and the knees and feet suffer the consequences. The bottom line is to eat 5 fruits and vegetables a day, avoid processed foods, and exercise. Swimming is great exercise and it doesn't impact your joints. Otherwise, try to exercise 2 1/2 hr a week. Walking, biking, gardening, or just doing stretches on a mat. Signature- Billy "For the first time in the history of the world, every human being is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=En2TzBE0lp4 http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1050688.html [snip] > thin, is mostly a matter of genetics. Complete mythology - propagated by the lazy and the dull. > time for us to accept that we are good as we are. Mediocrity is fine by you? > Swimming is great exercise and it doesn't impact > your joints. Swimming is idle recreation (but midly cardiovasuclarly taxing for those with poor oxygen uptake abilities) and it is a myth that is 'low stress on joints' - ask anybody with connective tissue damage. > Otherwise, try to exercise 2 1/2 hr a week. Walking, > biking, gardening, or just doing stretches on a mat. Anybody who considers walking or stretching as specific excercise needs to re-evaluate their definition of normal. Like breathing, these thinsg should be normal parts of everyones day, not exceptions to be 'acheived'. In article <1db2d6e7-6dff-40da-9f42-8e722f53c788@z19g2000vbz.googlegroups.com>, Misanthropic Curmudgeon <misanthropiccurmudgeon@breastcancermail.com> wrote: > [snip] > > thin, is mostly a matter of genetics. > > Complete mythology - propagated by the lazy and the dull. What's misanthrope doing interacting socially? And what state of grace, allows you to cast invectives in such a gratuitous manner? Apparently, up to 1994, there was little consideration of genetics impacting obesity. That is no longer the case. Genetic predisposition will make it harder for some people to gain or lose weight. Body mass is a result of nature and nurture, genetics and environment. If you live in a concentration camp long enough, you will be thin. If you live in a country that produces 50% more calories than the population needs, you have a good chance of being obese, especially when "food, beverage, candy and restaurant advertising hit $11.26 billion in 2004, compared to a mere $9.55 million to advertise the Five A Day campaign, which promotes eating five or more servings of fruits and vegetables daily." http://www.consumersunion.org/pub/core_health_care/002657.html > > time for us to accept that we are good as we are. > > Mediocrity is fine by you? So you are an übermench, oder was? What about average do you find disturbing? There are at least 7 different types of intelligence. I'm sure we can find you deficient in several. Your nom de plume vaunts your weaknesses. I'm sure that not everyone would find that a Misanthropic Curmudgeon would be the person that they would choose to be cornered by at a party. Oh, that's right. You're not good with people. How less than mediocre of you ;o) > > Swimming is great exercise and it doesn't impact > > your joints. > > Swimming is idle recreation (but midly cardiovasuclarly taxing for > those with poor oxygen uptake abilities) and it is a myth that is 'low > stress on joints' - ask anybody with connective tissue damage. So, you've gone from being a curmudgeon to being a head case. What is wrong with idle recreation? It relieves stress that can kill you. Maybe being catatonic would give one pause, as well, about going swimming. In any event, I'm not suggesting team sports, or ballistic stretching as I'm sure you are well aware. Being in water allows the flexing of muscles without support. Dog paddling, or just floating on your back may be a good way to begin. If you have a differing opinion, I would love a reference, if you have one. Before anyone listens to us, they should ask their doctor what they think. > > Otherwise, try to exercise 2 1/2 hr a week. Walking, > > biking, gardening, or just doing stretches on a mat. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > these thinsg should be normal parts of everyones day, not exceptions > to be 'acheived'. Walking continuously for 30 - 60 min. is not part of everyone's life. Getting on the floor and reaching for your toes isn't an everyday experience for most people, or even you. Next time I hope that you can give citations for the duplicitous and very weak assertions that you make. At least make an effort to stay on topic. It's not everyday that I meet Misanthropic Curmudgeon who is orthographically challenged (5, can you find them?). Signature- Billy "For the first time in the history of the world, every human being is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=En2TzBE0lp4 http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1050688.html ["Followup-To:" header set to alt.support.diet.] > In article ><1db2d6e7-6dff-40da-9f42-8e722f53c788@z19g2000vbz.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > impacting obesity. That is no longer the case. Genetic predisposition > will make it harder for some people to gain or lose weight. There is a slight problem with the above proposition: for people of all kinds of ethnic backgrounds, who are thin in their countries of origin, we can find their fat cousins in, say, America. So genetics isn't the major effect. Genes do not change in one or two generations. The number one factor is taking no responsibility for your health and just mindlessly doing what others around you are doing, and blindly following the suggestions fed to you by your socio-economic environment. > Body mass is a result of nature and nurture, genetics and environment. ``Environment'' is not a good synonym for ``nurture''. Nurturing implies taking care, which implies taking responsibility. The conntation of ``environment'' is passively allowing the surroundings to dictate your actions. Nurture is number one. Genetics is a close second. Sure, genetics sets upper limits on how good a body you can achieve through nurture. To look spectactular, you need genetics. Without the genetics, you can still be very good. Genetics doesn't add up to an excuse for being slob. If you don't even remotely have a grip on the nurture, you can't blame any of the lesser factors. > If you live in a concentration camp long enough, you will be thin. If > you live in a country that produces 50% more calories than the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > campaign, which promotes eating five or more servings of fruits and > vegetables daily." This may explain the statistical incidence of obesity as a phenomenon, but it does not amount to a legitimate excuse that any individual can use. Yes, there are people who simply do whatever their environment compels them to do without giving it a second thought. They imitate others, obey advertizing and so on. This has certain undeniable results. However, all these facts do not absolve any one individual from thinking and taking responsibility for the consequences of his actions. > ["Followup-To:" header set to alt.support.diet.] > > In article [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > of ethnic backgrounds, who are thin in their countries of origin, we can find > their fat cousins in, say, America. As I was saying, it is a predisposition. It will affect different people differently. > So genetics isn't the major effect. Genes do not change in one or two > generations. [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > However, all these facts do not absolve any one individual from thinking and > taking responsibility for the consequences of his actions. Why don't you park your conceit and read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Bernays If your not being lead glassy-eyed into two vanity wars, you start mumbling something about regulating business is leading us into socialism. Good god man, don't you see what's going on? Read the article. ----- "Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger." -- Herman Goering at the Nuremberg trials Every government is run by liars and nothing they say should be believed. I. F. Stone Signature- Billy "For the first time in the history of the world, every human being is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=En2TzBE0lp4 http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1050688.html [snip] > > > thin, is mostly a matter of genetics. > > > Complete mythology - propagated by the lazy and the dull. > > What's misanthrope doing interacting socially? Sharing the love. > And what state of grace, allows you to cast >invectives in such a gratuitous manner? Being honest. > Apparently, up to 1994, there was little consideration of genetics > impacting obesity. That is no longer the case. Genetic predisposition > will make it harder for some people to gain or lose weight. Harder, perhaps. By what perventage/ratio? Not impossible or even difficult, though eh? Instead of loosing 5 kilos such a 'geneticially challenged' person might only loose 4 kilos. But that is all the excuse the butter-balls need, eh? > Body mass is a result of nature and nurture, genetics and environment. Part of that 'environment' is being able to pull oneself away from the Twinkie display. > If you live in a country that produces 50% more calories > than the population needs, you have a good chance of > being obese, Your value sytem, and the poor esteem you hold fellow man in in implying that mankind cant control themselve when a surfeit of calories abounds, brings a tear to an old misanthropic curmudgeons eye. > > > time for us to accept that we are good as we are. > > > Mediocrity is fine by you? [snip] > What about average do you find disturbing? Those that settle for it. > I'm sure that not everyone would find that a Misanthropic > Curmudgeon would be the person that they would > choose to be cornered by at a party. True: some people dont like honesty and forthrightness, as it pushes them from thier nice safe little self-deluding comfort zones > > > Swimming is great exercise and it doesn't impact > > > your joints. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > So, you've gone from being a curmudgeon to being a head case. What is > wrong with idle recreation? It relieves stress that can kill you. True: but to suggets that it is phtical activity is self-delusional > Being in water allows the flexing of muscles > without support. Ahhh, what do you think muscles are for? > Dog paddling, or just floating on your back may > be a good way to begin. If that is your frame of reference, I'll order up the 600kg bed hoise for you now, shall I? > Before anyone listens to us, they should ask > their doctor what they think. Given that most GP's are fat-accepters, fat-condoners, and/or stuck on the 'eat- a truck load of pasta and you'll loose weight, but for gods sake dont eat more than three eggs a week', and are illness focused and not health focused (there is a onstrous difference, I say with no pun intended) most of what GP says on this subject can be ignored. > > > Otherwise, try to exercise 2 1/2 hr a week. Walking, > > > biking, gardening, or just doing stretches on a mat. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Walking continuously for 30 - 60 min. is not part of everyone's life. Precisly. That is why they are geletonous blobs who pour themselves in and out of tehir car just to go to the local shop for a sugar-laden donut or 24. > Getting on the floor and reaching for your toes isn't > an everyday experience for most people, or even you. It is, actually. And a lot more besides. > It's not everyday that I meet Misanthropic Curmudgeon who is > orthographically challenged (5, can you find them?). Only 5? I did well that day. In article <2eaa387e-82a2-4014-95e8-36ce27c6702d@j20g2000vbp.googlegroups.com>, Misanthropic Curmudgeon <misanthropiccurmudgeon@breastcancermail.com> wrote: > > What's misanthrope doing interacting socially? > > Sharing the love. Thanks for the daily laugh. ;-D SignaturePeace! Om Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass. It's about learning to dance in the rain. -- Anon. recfoodrecipes@yahoogroups.com Subscribe: recfoodrecipes-subscribe@yahoogroups.com In article <2eaa387e-82a2-4014-95e8-36ce27c6702d@j20g2000vbp.googlegroups.com>, Misanthropic Curmudgeon <misanthropiccurmudgeon@breastcancermail.com> wrote: > [snip] > > > > thin, is mostly a matter of genetics. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Sharing the love. I'd be surprised if you even had a nodding relationship with love, neurotic need to feel important, but love? Nah. > > And what state of grace, allows you to cast > >invectives in such a gratuitous manner? > > Being honest. Honesty would be constraining yourself to the facts, and not characterizing others or their motives. > > Apparently, up to 1994, there was little consideration of genetics > > impacting obesity. That is no longer the case. Genetic predisposition [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > kilos such a 'geneticially challenged' person might only loose 4 > kilos. But that is all the excuse the butter-balls need, eh? Oh, I forgot to mention that ad hominem attacks ALWAYS signal a weak, or non-existent, argument. Argument that is in the formal sense, where you connect a number of assertions to support a position. It appears to be absent from your bag of tricks. > > Body mass is a result of nature and nurture, genetics and environment. > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > calories abounds, brings a tear to an old misanthropic curmudgeons > eye. Lack of modesty will never be counted as one of your faults. A deterministic man in charge of his own destiny. Bwahahaha. Right, and thats why those fools at Krafts, and whatever Phillip Morris is calling them selves these days, and Post Cereals spent $11.26 billion in 2004 on advertising. It works because most people are too busy keeping their bills paid, the dishes and the clothes washed, the house picked up, preparing dinner, to keep up with the latest nutrient break through, much less keep up with the development of a police state around them. See: Http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Bernays Http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3LSyck0YTE or if you're still literate try reading Food Politics: How the Food Industry Influences Nutrition, and Health, Revised and Expanded Edition (California Studies in Food and Culture) by Marion Nestle http://www.amazon.com/Food-Politics-Influences-Nutrition-California/dp/05 20254031/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1244222934&sr=1-2 > > > > time for us to accept that we are good as we are. > > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Those that settle for it. Everybody should be above average, Gracie? Human beings aren't widgets, to be compared one to another. We have a diversity of skills and capabilities, which keeps our Darwinistic options open for us as a species. The problem may be that you don't see the problem. > > I'm sure that not everyone would find that a Misanthropic > > Curmudgeon would be the person that they would > > choose to be cornered by at a party. > > True: some people dont like honesty and forthrightness, as it pushes > them from thier nice safe little self-deluding comfort zones True, I can feel the nausea myself. I think I've already wasted too much time here reading your delusional honesty and forthrightness. It must be lonely for you with those brown colored glasses on. > > > > Swimming is great exercise and it doesn't impact > > > > your joints. [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] > > Only 5? I did well that day. Signature- Billy "For the first time in the history of the world, every human being is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1Zunx_goz4 http://www.democracynow.org/2009/6/2/israeli_journalist_amira_hass_on_the [snip] > > > > > thin, is mostly a matter of genetics. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > I'd be surprised if you even had a nodding relationship with love, > neurotic need to feel important, but love? Nah. Ask yo' momma. > > > And what state of grace, allows you to cast > > >invectives in such a gratuitous manner? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Honesty would be constraining yourself to the facts, and not > characterizing others or their motives. What is more factual that observations of dull-eyed slump-gutted face- stuffers, well, stuffing their faces and wailing about how their genetics stop them from being supermodels? > > > Apparently, up to 1994, there was little consideration of genetics > > > impacting obesity. That is no longer the case. Genetic predisposition [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > connect a number of assertions to support a position. It appears to be > absent from your bag of tricks. I'll remember that when I re-read the bit you wrote about me not knowing love in your opening paragraph in this post. > > > Body mass is a result of nature and nurture, genetics and environment. > > > Part of that 'environment' is being able to pull oneself away from the > > Twinkie display. *oink* *oink* > > > If you live in a country that produces 50% more calories > > > than the population needs, you have a good chance of [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Lack of modesty will never be counted as one of your faults. A > deterministic man in charge of his own destiny. Bwahahaha. I see you judge others by your own (lack of) values. > Right, and > thats why those fools at Krafts, and whatever Phillip Morris is calling [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > preparing dinner, to keep up with the latest nutrient break through, > much less keep up with the development of a police state around them. Too busy to watch what they stuff down their throats? Your stats and arguments only support one thing, and its not what you want it to be. Firstly, your mistalen belif that BMR calculations and knowledge of macro-nutrient profiles are somehow new breakthroughs. Secondly, that most people share your slack motivation levels. And thirdly you imply we are all passive drones subject to the whims of corporate marketing strategies. > > > > Mediocrity is fine by you? > > [snip] [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Darwinistic options open for us as a species. The problem may be that > you don't see the problem. And you condone the lack of the above, as you imply we are all passive drones subject to the whims of corporate marketing strategies. > > > I'm sure that not everyone would find that a Misanthropic > > > Curmudgeon would be the person that they would [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > True, I can feel the nausea myself. Indeed, many people dont like it when mirrors are help up in front of them. > I think I've already wasted too much > time here reading your delusional honesty and forthrightness. Fine: sod off out of MFW and back to the fat-acceptors with such a low value of humanity as you do; assumig they are all passive drones > > > > > Swimming is great exercise and it doesn't impact > > > > > your joints. [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > and not health focused (there is a onstrous difference, I say with no > > pun intended) most of what GP says on this subject can be ignored. I note you ignore the above. > > > > > Otherwise, try to exercise 2 1/2 hr a week. Walking, > > > > > biking, gardening, or just doing stretches on a mat. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > in and out of tehir car just to go to the local shop for a sugar-laden > > donut or 24. And that. How about we get back to subject at hand? Genetics do play a role, but so does that processed fried chicken, jelly donut...and lets not forget Americas all favorite BACON. At the end of the day, people need to learn to take the blame and stop with the exscuses. No one is forcing a donut down their throat, no one is forcing them to go home and sit in front of TV, than hit the bed and repeat it again the next day and day after and so on. Also, 2 1/2hrs of exercise a week? This one is tricky, if you mean a heavy work out after which your heart rate is up and you are at least somewhat soaking in sweat I'd agree....walking or stretching, useless and pointless (IF only 2 1/2hrs a week). If you prefer stretching and walking aka lazy peoples exercise. Than at least stretch in the morning *Every Morning* and walk for 30 - 60 minutes every day. Also, eating a whole pie of Pizza w/ "DIET" Coke is NOT the way to go. People need to take responsibility and take action, yeah it is hard to lose weight for some people and others it's hard to gain but through diligence and lifestyle change, they can and will achieve whatever goals they set for themselves. In article <4b8dd15d-ca47-430c-8f3c-49e9f9777431@x6g2000vbg.googlegroups.com>, Who the hell are you to denigrate anybody's efforts at anything? The journey starts with the first step. Don't matter how damn big that step is, as long as it's followed by another step. Using pejoratives like "lazy" is just plain mean. We have to be our own advocates because no one else cares. Don't take your own self loathing out on the rest of the world, unless you just lookin' for a flame war. You sure the hell ain't gonna judge me. Back off. > How about we get back to subject at hand? > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > diligence and lifestyle change, they can and will achieve whatever > goals they set for themselves. Signature- Billy "For the first time in the history of the world, every human being is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1Zunx_goz4 http://www.democracynow.org/2009/6/2/israeli_journalist_amira_hass_on_the [snip] > Using pejoratives like "lazy" is just plain mean. It is also plain truth. > We have to be our own advocates because no > one else cares. So why do you condone apathy and helplessness, in your blaming all and sundry except the trough-diver themselves? > In article ><4b8dd15d-ca47-430c-8f3c-49e9f9777431@x6g2000vbg.googlegroups.com>, > Who the hell are you to denigrate anybody's efforts at anything? The > journey starts with the first step. Don't matter how damn big that step > is, as long as it's followed by another step. Using pejoratives like > "lazy" is just plain mean. So the first step in the journey is to eat and blow up fatter than a fall hog? As long as the scoop-shovel is full and the food is still going down, I guess you could say there is some exercise occurring. Lazy still fits though. On Jun 9, 9:10 pm, "rsn...@att.net" <rsn...@att.net> wrote: [snip] > As long as the scoop-shovel is full and the food is still going down, I > guess you could say there is some exercise occurring. Lazy still fits > though. Which reminds me of the research done that shows chewing burns an additional 11 (IIRC) calories an hour. On Jun 9, 8:58 am, 3560...@gmail.com wrote: [snip] > Genetics do play a role, but so does that processed > fried chicken, jelly donut...and lets not forget Americas > all favorite BACON. At the end of the day, people > need to learn to take the blame and stop with > the exscuses. What is interesting is the likes of Billy, who appear to argue that it is not peoples fault that they are obese, but rather in Billy's postinsg has randomly blamed genetics, corporate marketing propgrams, or the nned to pay the mortgage for obesity. Rather than "you eat too much and dont do any excercise" > No one is forcing a donut down their throat, no one is > forcing them to go home and sit in front of TV, than hit the bed and > repeat it again the next day and day after and so on. Indeed. But laziness in people, perhaps combined with a lack of self- awareness and an amazing abilty to deny their growing waist, does lead them to this path. They'll whine about "its normal to put on a few pounds for winter" or "its normal to gain a pound a year" and ignore the concequences of these delusions. > Also, 2 1/2hrs of exercise a week? This one is tricky, if you mean a > heavy work out after which your heart rate is up and you are at least [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > morning *Every Morning* and walk for 30 - 60 minutes every day. > Also, eating a whole pie of Pizza w/ "DIET" Coke is NOT the way to go. In reading these commenst of yours, I am reminded of the distorted views that some people have of excercise. The human body was 'designed'[1] to move, and people suggesting that a few hours of walking a week demonstrated just how inactive their bodies (and minds?) have become. Stretching and walking are not some sort of goal to work towards, they are normality! > People need to take responsibility and take action, yeah it is hard to > lose weight for some people and others it's hard to gain but through > diligence and lifestyle change, they can and will achieve whatever > goals they set for themselves. Indeed, the fat-accepters seem to belive that because some things are hard, they should not even try. Because some people (say 0.2% of the population) have medical conditions (eg kidney issues), all the fatties wail that therefore they cant loose any weight (and console themselves by up-sizing their Triple-Cheese-Burger when next at the drive-through.) [1] I use that word advisidly. As an atheist, it is apparent there was no designer. <followups set to alt.support.diet.low-carb> In article <4b8dd15d-ca47-430c-8f3c-49e9f9777431@x6g2000vbg.googlegroups.com>, > Genetics do play a role, but so does that processed fried chicken, > jelly donut...and lets not forget Americas all favorite BACON. Actually bacon is good for you. Certainly compared to most manufactured food stuffs. It has a very low glycemic index and has complete protein for body building and fat for energy, along with a whole raft of vital nutrients like CoQ10. |
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