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Myra - 11 Jul 2009 00:29 GMT http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/31845266/ns/today_relationships/?gt1=43001
Looking for love, 650-pound virgin loses 410 David Smith once contemplated suicide; now, girls make googly eyes at me By Mike Celizic updated 8:59 a.m. MT, Fri., July 10, 2009 He was enormously obese a lost soul with no friends and no life who had given up on himself and on life.
David Smith even hatched a plan to end it. He would get an inflatable swimming pool, and he would take it to a remote spot in the Arizona desert. He would fill it with gasoline, get in, and light a match. It would be a horrific and painful way to die, but thats what Smith thought he deserved.
And the best thing about it would be that the fire would consume his 650-pound body. When it had done his work, there would be nothing left to make fun of anymore.
It is hard to believe that the David Smith who tells this story is the same hunky man who sat down with TODAYs Matt Lauer Friday in New York. Smiling and confident, hes cut and ripped, a certified personal trainer with a body thats no longer to die in a blaze of glory for. He has a future that never seemed possible and a past that seemed to have belonged to someone else.
Its a different person, Smith told Lauer after watching a video that showed the gelatinous blob he used to be. Its not me anymore.
Night and day The remarkable story of how Smith lost more than 400 pounds in just 26 months without gastric bypass surgery is the subject of a TLC documentary that premieres Sunday, July 12. Its called The 650-pound Virgin, and it follows Smiths journey from a suicidal and friendless loner who never left his house to a new life as an inspiration to everybody who has battled obesity.
The storys not over. Smith, now 32, would not say directly if he is still a virgin, but he admitted that he is still fighting to get over his shyness around women and his fear of rejection.
Its like night and day. Ive gone from being a laughingstock to having girls make googly eyes at me, he said. But responding to those looks is still a challenge. I still have to muster up the courage to talk to girls, he said.
Instead of being a dud, I want to be a stud, he added.
Facing his fear The remarkable transformation in Smiths life began in 2003, when he was considering suicide. Somewhere deep down, he discovered that he still harbored a hope that he could transform himself. He decided to lose weight.
Smith rejected bypass surgery as too risky. He didnt want to die on the operating table and have his obese remains mocked by the surgeons who had been trying to save his life.
The remaining alternative was to learn to eat properly and exercise the weight off. And, he decided, he would renounce his terror of being seen in public by making his journey the subject of a documentary.
I decided that the best way to get over my fear was to destroy it
and the best way to be seen is on television, he wrote. So he contacted KTVK, a local television station that had a feature hosted by fitness and nutrition guru Chris Powell. After some initial hesitation, Powell took Smith on.
Powell waited several weeks before contacting Smith. He had doubts about whether he could help, but the more he looked at the pictures Smith had sent, the more he felt he had to meet Smith.
I couldnt stop thinking about it, Powell told Lauer. I had no idea how the hell somebody was so large. I couldnt stop thinking about him. It was curiosity.
Baby steps to giant strides Using a nutritional program and what he calls a transformational approach that he devised himself and now sells the STAX System Powell went to work. When they began, Smith couldnt walk 500 feet and couldnt fit in a car.
Powell told Lauer he alternated diet plans. Not wanting to tell Smith he couldnt ever eat ice cream, pizza and the other calorie-laden foods he loved, Powell told his student he would diet strictly one day, then reward himself the next. It was baby steps, the trainer explained.
The baby steps became giant strides. The weight melted off a phenomenal average of more than 15 pounds a month. By 2007, just 26 months after he decided to transform himself and his life, Smith had lost 410 pounds from a starting weight of 650.
The weight loss left behind great folds and bags of excess skin that had to be removed over the course of more than a year in a series of three operations. At last count, surgeons had removed some 30 pounds of excess skin, and, Smith said, he still needs one or two more operations.
Troubled childhood In a biographical sketch Smith wrote, he says his problems began after his family moved to the Phoenix area when he was 7 and was sexually molested by his best friend. Unable to deal with the experience, he cut himself off from everyone and found solace in eating. A large child to begin with, he quickly became not just one of the tallest kids in his class, but also the fattest.
I didnt want to be hurt again, he wrote. I was full of shame.
But his desire invited only more abuse. He became a target of bullies, who would gather gangs of kids to see if they could beat him up.
I have been spit on; I have had dirt clots, rocks, bolts, basketballs, books, even feces among other things thrown at me, he wrote. I started to hate people. Nobody wanted to be my friend. I didnt even want friends anymore, I just wanted to be left alone.
The physical abuse ended in high school, but the emotional abuse continued. It got so bad, that Smith dropped out at the age of 17. He didnt want to take it anymore.
And then he got hit with another emotional trauma. His mother, the only person he allowed himself to show any emotion to, was diagnosed with non-Hodgkins lymphoma. She fought the disease for five years, but in the end it took her life.
It hit me hard, he wrote. The first month, I hardly ate anything, but after the first month I was an eating machine. I didnt care about anything. I just wanted to get my fix and be left alone.
Thats when he stopped leaving his familys home, stopped interacting with others, and started to think of ways to end it all.
Fortunately, he made one giant effort to break out of his personal hell, and Powell responded. Theyre best friends and roommates now, and fellow fitness trainers. Helping others to do the same thing he did is Smiths way of paying back the gift hes received.
Now, all thats left is to meet a girl and have children who wont grow up in the emotional desert he inhabited for most of his life.
Asked after the show when he thinks that could happen, he said, Im just putting the pieces together and hopefully a girl will be one of the pieces.
The 650-pound Virgin premieres Sunday, July 12, at 10 p.m. on TLC.
The Master - 13 Jul 2009 19:37 GMT > David Smith even hatched a plan to end it. He would get an inflatable > swimming pool, and he would take it to a remote spot in the Arizona desert. > He would fill it with gasoline, get in, and light a match. It would be a > horrific and painful way to die, but thats what Smith thought he deserved. Because of how so-called "people" treat him no doubt.
Marc - 14 Jul 2009 00:48 GMT > > David Smith even hatched a plan to end it. He would get an > > inflatable swimming pool, and he would take it to a remote spot in [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Because of how so-called "people" treat him no doubt. When your children are old enough, would you approve of them dating a 650 pound person?
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The Master - 14 Jul 2009 00:55 GMT >>> David Smith even hatched a plan to end it. He would get an >>> inflatable swimming pool, and he would take it to a remote spot in [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > When your children are old enough, would you approve of them dating a > 650 pound person? Don't know off hand, but I would make damn sure that my children don't treat a 650 pound person so badly that he would consider soaking himself in gasoline and light himslf on fire. Honestly here, no troll sh.t... Do you think treating another person so badly that they honestly believe they deserve such a painful death is a good thing? Come on, really?
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David Stone - 14 Jul 2009 01:32 GMT >>>> David Smith even hatched a plan to end it. He would get an >>>> inflatable swimming pool, and he would take it to a remote spot in [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >you think treating another person so badly that they honestly believe they >deserve such a painful death is a good thing? Come on, really? No, I do would never treat someone in an extremely unfriendly manner simply based upon their weight. But there are limitations that I might set in our relationships. If they were incontinent I would be reluctant to let them ride in my car but that would be true if they were thin and incontinent or fat and incontinent. I do believe that far more very obese people have this problem.
If someone weighed 600 lbs and were a visitor at my home I would be selective in the furniture where they are seated.
In other words there are some areas where I would be inclined them to treat them differently because of their weight.
Now, on the other side of the coin. Where is their responsibility for their extreme overweight condition. Are there avenues available to them for treatment of the condition. If so have they pooh pooed any treatment by stating that they do not want to be any different.
Along the same vein, if someone is homeless and without an income but absolutely refuses to accept any gainful employment I find myself reluctant to help support their lifestyle. Shades of "I ain't gonna flip no burgers" If I i hear that my thought is "Then be homeless and penniless."
In other words in my mind a person does some have some responsibility to assume responsible for themselves.
Extreme obesity does not simply happen overnight. It is not at all relative to someone who was involved in an accident that caused very serious facial disfigurements that resulted in them being especially unsightly. However that person will also be subjected to much of the rejection as an extremely obese person.
Remember if some is gaining 25 lbs a year in 10 years they have gained 250 lbs. Responsibility for ones own self should have resulted in them taking measures to bring this under control. No, it is not a reason to hate them but human nature being what it is they will likely see some rejection.
I don't want to make a big point of saying be like me but I do take notice of my weight, what and how much I am eating and what am I doing for exercise. No big organized program for that but I am cognizant of the matter. If I see that my weight were to go up 30 lbs in the last year I would try to determine what I can do about it.
David Stone
The Master - 14 Jul 2009 17:56 GMT >>>>> David Smith even hatched a plan to end it. He would get an >>>>> inflatable swimming pool, and he would take it to a remote spot in [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > reluctant to let them ride in my car but that would be true if they > were thin and incontinent or fat and incontinent. That I understand and fully accept.
It's not racist to hate a black man for reasons other then his blackness. It could be because he is an a.shole.
It's not sexist to not promote a woman for reasons other then her gender. It could be because she wasn't qualified.
> If someone weighed 600 lbs and were a visitor at my home I would be > selective in the furniture where they are seated. And yet I know of no fat person who would think they deserved to soak themself in gasoline and light themself on fire because someone told them to not sit on a chair that might fall apart.
Now I am not David Smith so I can't say for sure, but I would be willing to bet that those feelings of utter uselessness came from the rabid hate that has been on display in s.s.f-a on such a regular basis. While it is not accepted in society to hate minorities because of the color of their skin, it seems perfectly ok to hate fat people simply because of their size.
> In other words there are some areas where I would be inclined them to > treat them differently because of their weight. I can see why you would say that, but I actually disagree that such a view would be because of their weight. If you had a chair that would NEVER break, even if sat on by 5 tons, would you deny a 600 pound man the ability to sit on it? By your argument, I would say no. On the other hand, if the chair can only take 500 lbs, saying no to a 600 pount man is perfectly justified. It's not saying no because of the weight so much as it is saying no because of the structural limitations of the chair.
> Now, on the other side of the coin. Where is their responsibility for > their extreme overweight condition. Are there avenues available to > them for treatment of the condition. If so have they pooh pooed any > treatment by stating that they do not want to be any different. That's the leap I have never understood... I'm fat, I understand that. I for one do not want special treatment. I'm not asking for the "right" to free extra seats on the air plane, I for one think charging more is perfectly justified. I know some fat people do want free seats, and I think they are wrong. However, what does that have to do with skinny people making smart a.s comments while standing in line at a store?
Marc - 14 Jul 2009 01:44 GMT > > > > David Smith even hatched a plan to end it. He would get an > > > > inflatable swimming pool, and he would take it to a remote spot [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Don't know off hand, There you have it. You are not even sure whether you could treat a 650 pound individual as a complete, fully fledged human being. That might be why he had suicide ideations.
Shame on your hypocrisy.
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The Master - 14 Jul 2009 17:11 GMT >>> When your children are old enough, would you approve of them dating >>> a 650 pound person? [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Shame on your hypocrisy. Funny...
You see, I said "don't know off hand" because there are factors other then just weight. Are you telling me that you would approve of a woman at ideal BMI with LV's attatude? Ofcourse not... Would you be treating that woman as something other then a "fully fledged human being" because of her skinnyness?
I see, however, that you were unable, or unwilling, to answer the question I asked directly after my comment. That, naturally, is if you think it's ok to treat someone so badly that they believe they deserve to die in a flaming fireball. One can only assume, therefore, that you do think such treatment is a good thing, but lack the balls to say so.
Casual Observer - 14 Jul 2009 17:57 GMT >>>> When your children are old enough, would you approve of them dating >>>> a 650 pound person? [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >flaming fireball. One can only assume, therefore, that you do think such >treatment is a good thing, but lack the balls to say so. It appears to me that you are jumping to a conclusion that the individual in question was suicidal only because of how others felt about him and not because of his own self esteem or lack thereof.
Or do you maintain that it is impossible for one have a good self-image if they are the subject of intensive criticism?.
Casula Observer
The Master - 14 Jul 2009 18:20 GMT > It appears to me that you are jumping to a conclusion that the > individual in question was suicidal only because of how others felt > about him and not because of his own self esteem or lack thereof. You figured that out all by yourself? Ofcourse that is the conclusion I jumped to... Jumping to any other conclusion would have quickly fizzled out. Declaring it was due to how others treated him opened up a thread. Honestly though, I expected it to be a little more exciting then it has turned into... :(
Ragnar - 14 Jul 2009 18:53 GMT On Jul 14, 1:20 pm, The Master <tar...@nospam.sdf.lonestar.org.nospam> wrote:
> > It appears to me that you are jumping to a conclusion that the > > individual in question was suicidal only because of how others felt [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Honestly though, I expected it to be a little more exciting then it has > turned into... :( What did you expect, some kind of witty exchange of valid thoughts regarding perception, human attraction and humanity, lol? Remember who you are dealing with here and keep that in perspective.
Ragnar
The Master - 14 Jul 2009 19:57 GMT > What did you expect, some kind of witty exchange of valid thoughts > regarding perception, human attraction and humanity, lol? Remember who > you are dealing with here and keep that in perspective. Not at all. My goal was to get the LV fan club on a different topic. A good 'ole flame war would be a refreshing change to the "oh oh, notice me too LV" posts that plague the s.s.f-a group.
If the quality of trolls don't improve, I may be forced to stop coming here on grounds that the room is too boring. Ugh...
*** George Bush left horse sh.t on the floor of the barn. Barack Obama is "cleaning up the mess" by smearing more horse sh.t all over the rest of the barn, so the floor will no longer seems messy.
S.top O.bama's S.ocialism
Ragnar - 15 Jul 2009 15:45 GMT On Jul 14, 2:57 pm, The Master <tar...@nospam.sdf.lonestar.org.nospam> wrote:
> > What did you expect, some kind of witty exchange of valid thoughts > > regarding perception, human attraction and humanity, lol? Remember who [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > good 'ole flame war would be a refreshing change to the "oh oh, notice me > too LV" posts that plague the s.s.f-a group. Unfortunately, that is the typical ssfa trolls idea of a flame war.
> If the quality of trolls don't improve, I may be forced to stop coming > here on grounds that the room is too boring. Ugh... I agree but it does make for some easy pickings when you just can't resist pointing out a stupidity overload.
Ragnar
Walter Bushell - 17 Jul 2009 01:07 GMT > > > David Smith even hatched a plan to end it. He would get an > > > inflatable swimming pool, and he would take it to a remote spot in [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > When your children are old enough, would you approve of them dating a > 650 pound person? If athletic enough, they have a career as a nose tackle in pro football.
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