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Weight Loss Forum / General Topics / March 2004a note to ignoranus
Ok, I got a note that you again were having some sort of bug up your a.s because I choose not to obsess about my weight these days. Let's get some things straight here and now. You are not privy to my situation or my treatment. We are not in the same situation nor are we alike. You don't know me and what you know about anorexia and bulimia probably wouldn't fit into a thimble. Too bad that the way I'm dealing with *my* situation doesn't meet the ignoranus stamp of approval but life doesn't always go your way. First you were blasting me a while back because I'm not publicly posting my weight to be accountable to you. Well tough. I'm in a maintenance program where I'm weighed in weekly, which I mentioned numerous times. I'm also in a separate treatment program for my eating disorders. *I* don't look at my weight because I don't process the numbers rationally due to my eating disorder. I stand backwards on the scale and the nurse or dietician records the numbers. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure it out. Again - I'm not retarded and do have a good idea of what I weigh. Sometimes I actually give in and look myself - sorry I haven't reported every single one of my movements and thoughts over the last 3 months so you could keep up. It's all part of *my* treatment. I don't need to know the exact pound when a decile works fine for my purposes. Once I'm weighed, I get feedback. I don't live in a vacuum. These people actually speak to me about how things are going, go figure. I know that I've maintained my current weight for 3 months. I have treatment goals since my first priority is to overcome the eating disorder. I realize I can't get you to stop talking about me as if you know a thing about my personal situation. Just so you know, I'm not going to respond to you. Other people may find your tactless ignorance charming or even tolerable, but I don't. It would make me happier than anything if you could just disregard my existence as I try to do with you. Oh, and since I have to spell this out - I didn't see the original comments but they were forwarded to me. I still intend to keep you KF'd. Please go live a happy life and expend your energy on someone who cares. JMA Jenn Just wanted to say (yet again:)) that I think I understand at least some of where you're coming from. I certainly know about being weighed and asking not to know what the numbers say, particularly if other things are in a fragile state. This has been interpreted here as "burying my head in the sand" but some of us know it doesn't mean this at all. For some reason I find I can tolerate Ig's posts, although his patronising attitude and the constant implication that we need his approval for everything we do can be very difficult to take, as can recent assertions to other posters empathising with them because he also is a "compulsive overeater". Apologies, as I think I've used your post as an excuse for a small rant, but I hope you know from past posts that my comments to you are meant to be supportive:) janice 233/184/133 >Ok, I got a note that you again were having some sort of bug up your a.s >because I choose not to obsess about my weight these days. Let's get some [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > >JMA > Jenn > Just wanted to say (yet again:)) that I think I understand at least [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > as "burying my head in the sand" but some of us know it doesn't mean > this at all. Well, I'm just tired of the comments by people who again don't know me or my situation and have made assumptions based on the limited information I choose to share and their limited knowledge base. > For some reason I find I can tolerate Ig's posts, although his > patronising attitude and the constant implication that we need his > approval for everything we do can be very difficult to take, as can You've hit the nail squarely on the head here... > recent assertions to other posters empathising with them because he > also is a "compulsive overeater". Not my place to judge. If that's his problem then I hope he gets the help he needs and stops making judgements about everyone else. I have my opinions about his situation, but unlike him, I know they're assumptions and possibly way off base so I keep it to myself. > Apologies, as I think I've used your post as an excuse for a small > rant, but I hope you know from past posts that my comments to you are > meant to be supportive:) Not a problem. People use this forum to vent as I have done. I like this group and I really get a lot from it, including support and motivation. I certainly don't need a constant group hug, but I have no real desire to beat my head against the wall with someone for whom I have zero respect because of his attitude toward me and others. Jenn > For some reason I find I can tolerate Ig's posts, although his > patronising attitude and the constant implication that we need his > approval for everything we do can be very difficult to take, point taken. > as can > recent assertions to other posters empathising with them because he > also is a "compulsive overeater". Well, I am a compulsive overeater... Why can't I empathize with another compulsive overeater? Why is such empathy difficult to take? By the way, I eat a lot of food every day, something like perhaps 5-6 lbs of food (just a rough estimate). Much of it comes in form of low calorie vegetables, so it is not bad calorically, but it helps keep my appetite for more calorie dense stuff, under control. Just like Alien, Ilike just checking out what is in the fridge. Being at work all day and not eating at night help with that. On weekends, what helps is grabbing some vegetables from the fridge instead of cookies and candy, as I used to do. My point is that clearly, I have not been cured of anything and my overeating is simply under control. i > Just like Alien, Ilike just checking out what is in the fridge. Being > at work all day and not eating at night help with that. On weekends, > what helps is grabbing some vegetables from the fridge instead of > cookies and candy, as I used to do. My point is that clearly, I have > not been cured of anything and my overeating is simply under control. If I may, their point is that this in no way resembles being a "compulsive eater". In fact, you and I have absolutely no idea what it means to be a compulsive eater. We just don't have that illness. We're logic-driven and a vague desire to eat for entertainment is easily coutnered by either a.) eating the object of our desire and stopping or b.) deciding to have something better for us. *Desiring* something unhealthy is not the same as have a compulsion. Having your "overeating" under control is a good indicator that you are a compulsive eater, in fact. Someone with an OCD or an eating disorder would say they've got their disorder under control. Over-eating is just the manifestation of the disorder, not the actual disorder. Dally >> Just like Alien, Ilike just checking out what is in the fridge. Being >> at work all day and not eating at night help with that. On weekends, [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > b.) deciding to have something better for us. *Desiring* something > unhealthy is not the same as have a compulsion. Contrast this with a person who just does not want to eat at all when he or she is satiated, and you will see that there is a spectrum. On one end of the spectrum are people who just do not want to eat much (think about some kids), on the other hand you have out of control compulsive eaters, and somewhere in the middle are people like me, people who still want to eat after they are full, who want to eat for entertainment, but who can control that with some gimmicks for some period of time. > Having your "overeating" under control is a good indicator that you are > a compulsive eater, in fact. which is what I am saying, no? Or have you missed "not" someplace? I am confused. > Someone with an OCD or an eating disorder would say they've got > their disorder under control. Over-eating is just the manifestation > of the disorder, not the actual disorder. I think that I agree with what I understand you are saying. i >>Having your "overeating" under control is a good indicator that you are >>a compulsive eater, in fact. > > which is what I am saying, no? Or have you missed "not" someplace? > I am confused. Sorry, I was missing the "not" I don't believe you are a compulsive over-eater based on your stories. You were a generic over-eater who controls his over-eating deliberately now. The term I like is "restrained" eater. You restrain yourself via your gimmicks. A "restrained" eater can become an "unrestrained" eater on vacations or on holidays or whatever, but they go back to being aware of choosing to eat appropriately after the occasion is over. That sounds more like you. Dally He does not get it, will never get it, you are wasting your energy typing this! It doesn't matter how many posts you or anyone else (including me) can write telling him off. He will never stop being who he is.... Some people are smart enough to evolve into a better human being and some aren't. He is one of the ones that can't regardless of the amount of time or energy people spend trying to make him "get it". > Ok, I got a note that you again were having some sort of bug up your a.s > because I choose not to obsess about my weight these days. Let's get some [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > disorder. I stand backwards on the scale and the nurse or dietician records > the numbers. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure it out. Again - > I'm not retarded and do have a good idea of what I weigh. Sometimes I > actually give in and look myself - sorry I haven't reported every single one [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Once I'm weighed, I get feedback. I don't live in a vacuum. These people > actually speak to me about how things are going, go figure. I know that > I've maintained my current weight for 3 months. I have treatment goals [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > JMA > He does not get it, will never get it, you are wasting your energy typing > this! Right. I'll say this even though it's stating the obvious -- he can be a really a.s. > It doesn't matter how many posts you or anyone else (including me) > can write telling him off. He will never stop being who he is.... Some > people are smart enough to evolve into a better human being and some aren't. Yup, good point. Also, he's so busy thinking that he's better than everyone else that he cannot see that there is A LOT of room for improvement. > He is one of the ones that can't regardless of the amount of time or energy > people spend trying to make him "get it".  Signaturejmk in NC >> He does not get it, will never get it, you are wasting your energy typing >> this! > > Right. I'll say this even though it's stating the obvious -- he can be > a really a.s. Even I have to agree with you! >> It doesn't matter how many posts you or anyone else (including me) >> can write telling him off. He will never stop being who he is.... Some [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > everyone else that he cannot see that there is A LOT of room for > improvement. Define better. i >> He does not get it, will never get it, you are wasting your energy typing >> this! > > Right. I'll say this even though it's stating the obvious -- he can be > a really a.s. I wish you wouldn't. Not because I don't think you should think it, but because there's no reason to turn this into an invective name-calling place. Yes, he's different. Yes, it's hard to bear (as am I). So don't read him. Getting on his case for annoying you really says more about you than it does him. Dally >>> He does not get it, will never get it, you are wasting your energy typing >>> this! [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > don't read him. Getting on his case for annoying you really says more > about you than it does him. The funny thing is, I actually like this jmk. She just could not resist a momentary human temptation to join a jeering crowd of dunces. I fully admit that I can be an a.s at times, which can be an asset (pun not intended) as well as liability. The advantage is that the message delivered bluntly can have more impact than going round in circles. The disadvantage is a distraction due to dealing with overly sensitive people who live in la la land and get offended when that is pointed out, and cannot get over it even over an extended period of time. While you and I are different in many respects, we both want to be rooted in reality and be governed by logic wherever logic actually applies. i > The advantage is that the > message delivered bluntly can have more impact than going round in > circles. I have to totally agree with you there. I for one like bluntness. I would rather be told something for what something is. Not sugar coat it and make the spider out to be a butterfly. If you get what I mean. > The disadvantage is a distraction due to dealing with overly sensitive > people who live in la la land and get offended when that is pointed > out, and cannot get over it even over an extended period of time. The reason some (not all, so please don't flame,I'm not pointing fingers) people get oversensitive is because the truth can hurt sometimes and we have to step back and say. Woah! That is me.We just have to learn to take it and learn from it. Not shoot off our guns to make up for the hurt. (again just speaking in general,not toward anyone.)If the point given does not relate to a persons situation they should just simply move on and not give it another thought. Signature--------------- starting 365 current 216 goal 200 hieght 6'3" 27 male NC In Da House --------------- >> The advantage is that the >> message delivered bluntly can have more impact than going round in [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > rather be told something for what something is. Not sugar coat it and > make the spider out to be a butterfly. If you get what I mean. I agree with you. >> The disadvantage is a distraction due to dealing with overly sensitive >> people who live in la la land and get offended when that is pointed [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > does not relate to a persons situation they should just simply move on > and not give it another thought. You know, I also hurt sometimes when I am told the truth. But what can I do if it is true... i > I have to totally agree with you there. I for one like bluntness. I would > rather be told something for what something is. Not sugar coat it and > make the spider out to be a butterfly. If you get what I mean. And what are you sugar coating? Blunt isn't the problem, his ignorance is. > The reason some (not all, so please don't flame,I'm not pointing fingers) > people get oversensitive is because the truth can hurt sometimes and we [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > does not relate to a persons situation they should just simply move on > and not give it another thought. And when I'm specifically mentioned by name over and over I guess I should assume it's another JMA or Jennifer. I'm wondering when I'll see some truth that might hurt. Why is it that I go and lose half my body weight on a special diet after 30 years of morbid obesity, maintain weight loss for months now having to learn a whole new WOE that I didn't actually get to practice until maintenance all while dealing with a serious eating disorder, and an adrenal disorder and turning myself into a physcially fit, relatively healthy individual and yet I'm somehow in denial about my "real" situation? I tried walking on water - I don't even float anymore. I guess I'm still a complete failure though I am the *only* person from my HMR group who still attends maintenance. Yep, call me Cleo the queen of denial. Jenn >> I have to totally agree with you there. I for one like bluntness. I >> would rather be told something for what something is. Not sugar coat [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > Jenn I was speaking in general.I am so Sorry if you were offended by my comment.I am not the type of person who would hurt anyone intentionaly.When I say I'm sorry you can believe I mean it. It's not just for group points. And Jenn I DO know where people are comming from with thier struggle with disorders. I am obsessive compulsive and have been in and out of therapy for years dealing with binging.I remember the nights I would buy a bunch of junk food the day before and hide it in the trunk of my car only to go out in the middle of the night and set in my car and eat it all. I would actually plan my binges daily.And think about them all day until they happen. Then cry and cry while I was planning my next personal binge party.I would lie about how much I got paid week to week so I could put asside money especially for my daily binges.I knew I was killing myself with food but I honestly could not control myself! Over the past few years I have learned to focus that drawing need of my disorder toward other things. The 2 things that have saved my life are: 1.learning to live healthy as hard as it is and enjoy it. And it is hard. VERY. and #2.GARDENING.. I actually even invested in a green house to keep me occupied in the winter time. People that have no disorder can't relate to that jittery feeling you feel in the back of your body that eventually wins over and causes anguish. Just think I have a panic disorder on top of all that!! Lucky me. :) I am totally here anytime you need to talk or just vent. Again I would never say anything to hurt you intentionally. So please dont take my words in a hurtfull or finger pointing manner. Signature--------------- starting 365 current 216 goal 200 hieght 6'3" 27 male NC In Da House --------------- > I am totally here anytime you need to talk or just vent. Again I would > never say anything to hurt you intentionally. So please dont take my > words in a hurtfull or finger pointing manner. Not to turn this into a giant group hug or anything, but thanks :) I had only intended to point out that while at times we all need a good swift kick to get us in the right direction, I didn't appreciate the frequent comments made from ignorance and arrogance by a specific other about me. His remarks about me and to me do not come from a good place, are not appreciated, and he needs to focus his energies somewhere else. You and I have a lot in common besides membership in the 150 lb club, except that I have a "black" thumb instead of a green one :) You might be interested in knowing that my doctor really believes that my anxiety problems have an organic basis and are probably related to the adrenal/hormone issues that we're attempting to resolve. Keep up the good work! Jenn Hey Alien, I feel for you and identify with you.. been there done that. I used to plan my binges for Friday night while my ex hubby went out with his friends. Friday night was our night apart to hang out with friends. He would usually go to strip clubs and I would sit at home, eat a cheesecake and a gallon of ice cream and still want more. My only friend (and enemy) then was the crap I shoved down my throat. The first binge I remember, I was 6 or 7 years old. My father was a very emotionally abusive man that I could never do right by. My childhood started my obsessive/compulsive disorder over food, etc. I started smoking at 17. I met my ex hubby when I was 18, my first year in college. He was also emotionally needy, distant and hurtful during the 12 years we were together. I just didn't know any better since that was the way I was always treated and was used to it.... I had zero self esteem and didn't think it mattered. I hid from the world. The scariest part now is losing the weight and looking better and getting more attention. What created your obsession toward food??? Screw it, I am sick of dealing with all of this emotional baggage and trying to work my way out of the hole that WAS my life. Alien, I know how hard it is for you to change your life. Whereas you garden, I take it to the gym now.... I put all that stress, compulsion and obsession at the gym. I am trading one compulsion for another. It may not be the healthiest move, but it is what I am doing. "alien" <aliensoul69_is_here@nospam.yahoo.com> wrote in message I am obsessive compulsive and have > been in and out of therapy for years dealing with binging.I remember the > nights I would buy a bunch of junk food the day before and hide it in the [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > NC In Da House > --------------- > Hey Alien, > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > go to strip clubs and I would sit at home, eat a cheesecake and a gallon of > ice cream and still want more. Wow, a gallon of ice cream, that is impressive. How long did it take you to eat that gallon? I am glad that you have it under control for now. i > Hey Alien, > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > What created your obsession toward food??? I'm not sure really. I think maybe from a couple of places. I come from a strong German background and when I was a little child We always had family gatherings every weekend. Where we would start eating around 2pm and not finish until 10 or so that night! The courses kept comming and we kept eating. Goodness forbid you passed up a course. I always heard,"you need to eat,you will be skinny as rail." So I ate. Then my parents got divorced around the age of eight or so. which devistated me. One because that sort of thing didnt happen in our family. To date my parents are still the only ones divorced from the first generations of american borns from our family.My parents faught even worse a year of so after the divorce than they did while married.My father would always say it was us kids fault.Then the next moment he would be so kind and friendly. Then turn around and say horrible things again.That same year my mother attempted suicide. She lay in the hospital for a week on a respirator. We could only wait to see if she pulled through. **can we all say,"it was an emotioinal rollercoaster."** So I turned to the only comfort that made me feel like I did on family weekends. FOOD! It quickly turned into a disorder. My first binge was around age 8 or so, and the feeling it gave me was outstanding.I felt loved again. So I started binging more and more. The first few years I just blindly binged. It wasnt until I hit my teenage years that I started planning binges and getting excited about them. All I ever heard from my family most of the time was, oh you're just healthy. Your just big boned. You'll grow out of it.That did nothing but give me the urge to binge more. Those words made it feel..... OK.... By the time I was 18 I had went through about 100 diets and as many therapist. By that time I knew I had a problem. I just could NOT control it. By my early 20's I had developed panic/anxiety disorder to boot and having night terrors/sleep paralysis.Can you imagine.Night terrors in my 20's!?!? These were brought on by my realization of my former disorder and not being in control over it. Finally I learned to focus my urges to other areas. Well that along with the fact I was soooo fed up. For me at the time it was start living healthy or end it right here and now. I started eating healthy and talking to others (like you peeps) to KEEP motivated and focused.My family and friends finally realized that I needed them more than ever as well. My mother (who is doing great and emotionaly stable now too!) is an angel to me has been great inspiration.Now that I am down to an almost normal weight. My sleep paralysis eps have completely subsided. I still have the occasional panic attack. But nothing like the 12-30 a day!!!!!! I was having at one point in my life. I still find it un-nerving to be around a very populated public place yet. It is getting much easier though. I almost find myself wanting to be seen now. :) Yes emotional baggage is hell. And I guess at some point we do have to say,"screw it." If we don't it will consume us and eventualy kill us. The urges and thoughts are always gonna be there in the back of our mind scaring the mess out of us. I mean we live with these things for so long there is no way to get rid of them all together. They are a part of us by now. Little things can set off memories and pulling thoughts. LIke for me just walking through the kitchen to go out the back door will make me think about just raiding the cabnets and eating everything. (not that there is anything bad there) but still. Normal people dont think those things just walking through a kitchen. I have learned to live with those thoughts but not give into them.(((oooooohhhh how hard))) but it can and does get accomplished everyday by all of us. WOW ok I could go on and on. LOL Geeeese I feel lighter as we speak. Lets all keep on keepin on. sorry for the lengthy post. @-@ > Screw it, I am sick of dealing with all of this emotional baggage and > trying to work my way out of the hole that WAS my life. Alien, I know > how hard it is for you to change your life. Whereas you garden, I > take it to the gym now.... I put all that stress, compulsion and > obsession at the gym. I am trading one compulsion for another. It > may not be the healthiest move, but it is what I am doing. Well I too just traded one obsession for another. But for a wayyyy more healthier one. I'll take the compromise anyday. The good point is now we are on our ways to a healthier life. ***(((AND WE ARE DOING IT!!!)))*** Signature--------------- starting 365 current 216 goal 200 hieght 6'3" 27 male NC In Da House --------------- <moving story about his growing up and where his compulsive eating came from > Alien, I'm so impressed with how you've overcome the difficulties and challenges that you've faced. You're doing wonderfully! I'm glad we in ASD can help. Chris Hey Alien, I feel for you! I am glad that you are succeeding with dealing with your disorder. I am confident that you will be able to get to your goal and maintain your weight and emotional state! I am so pleased to see you come so far! You give me inspiration! "alien" <aliensoul69_is_here@nospam.yahoo.com> wrote in message > > What created your obsession toward food??? > [quoted text clipped - 76 lines] > NC In Da House > --------------- <major stuff snipped> That's quite a lot to go through in one relatively short life dude. Some of it rang very true with me as with stuff PG and others have shared. In the past when I've attempted to explain the perpective and where stuff comes from it was referred to as psychobabble with no clinical basis by my least favorite asd denzien. > > Screw it, I am sick of dealing with all of this emotional baggage and > > trying to work my way out of the hole that WAS my life. Alien, I know [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > healthier one. I'll take the compromise anyday. The good point is now we > are on our ways to a healthier life. ***(((AND WE ARE DOING IT!!!)))*** Absolutely! That's what counts the most. My trainer even said that on our first day - to try and trade one compulsion for another. Another very important thing to remember is that the stuff is always there. Make sure that you have a way to deal with things when the walls come crashing in and then have a back up plan for that. This isn't a problem that ever truly goes away but instead goes into remission. OTOH one doesn't need to be completely obsessed about it either - that's actually part of the disease. Jenn > <major stuff snipped> > [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > Jenn Amen. Yeah I am always on guard for those unexpected crumbling of the walls. so to speak. I just keep the actual act of being on guard mingled within my new way of life. That way the actual act of being on guard doesnt turn into a beast of its own. :) I'm sure you know what I mean. Hard to explain. Thanks for the reply. And thanks for all the kind words peeps! Signature--------------- starting 365 current 216 goal 200 hieght 6'3" 27 male NC In Da House --------------- Alien, I'm just so impressed with your posts here:) I'm 'too much' like YOUR words to discribe YOU! I can never put the correct words down like you do here but YOUR words SOUND like my words:( It is a very HARD life , being CAUGHT in this food problem! I feel very ' not-alone' when reading you. Thanks for being candid here. One thing that comes to mind that I OFTEN have done was : buying a large Hershey Bar and eating it ALL the same day! I've not done this for SEVERAL months. I just always felt such pain to know I'm never REALLY beyond this but I need to be forever on alert ! It's easier when I see others who are going through this pain which I THOUGHT was mine alone. Thanks again! glo GloDon2@webtv.net (Gloria) wrote in news:17139-403F401E-4@storefull- 3136.bay.webtv.net: > I feel very ' not-alone' when > reading you. Thanks for being candid here. > > glo Your not alone. :) That is why I like this group so much. We can speak how we really feel and there will always be others that know where we are comming from. Even when the words can't explain it. :) Have a great day all. Wooo hoooooo. I hit my 150 lb lost today! I'll try and post some recent pics next week. JP. Signature--------------- starting 365 current 215 goal 200 hieght 6'3" 27 male NC In Da House --------------- Woo hoo! Great news!! "alien" <aliensoul69_is_here@nospam.yahoo.com> wrote in message Wooo hoooooo. I hit my 150 lb lost today! I'll try and post some > recent pics next week. > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > NC In Da House > --------------- > GloDon2@webtv.net (Gloria) wrote in news:17139-403F401E-4@storefull- > 3136.bay.webtv.net: [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > JP. Wow, that's fantastic. You should really post news like that in its own thread! I was about to mark the thread as read and I nearly missed your great achievement. Keep up the great work! Tonia > GloDon2@webtv.net (Gloria) wrote in news:17139-403F401E-4@storefull- > 3136.bay.webtv.net: [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > JP. Hey congrats!! woo hoooo back to you! Jenn >Absolutely! That's what counts the most. My trainer even said that on our >first day - to try and trade one compulsion for another. Another very [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Jenn Although I've never got to the bottom of the reasons for my own compusive eating behaviour one thing I know is that I tend to set too high standards for myself in many areas of my life. When I applied this to dieting, it was a recipe for disaster. I can remember how for years I would go into new diet after new diet with the aim of having a completely perfect record of keeping to it - even to the extent of giving up if I ate 1005 calories when I'd decided on a 1000 calorie diet. I seem to have managed to deal with this much better in recent years, which probably explains why I've been able to stay with my WOE for months on end, by not sweating it too much if I have the odd day when I eat more. It also explains to me why I have such an aversion to food logging - I used to spend ages gloating over my perfect food records, only to respond to the 1005 calorie issue by physically tearing up my diet records and starting again in a brand new book - often allowing myself several weeks of bingeing before "starting again". I think quite a few people who are compulsive about food and dieting have it in other areas as well, and I guess transferring the obsession/compulision to something less "harmful" could be one way to go. janice 233/184/133 Hey Janice.... I used to do the same thing. I would set a goal for myself and if I didn't meet it, I would consider the whole diet to be wasted and want to "start over" again. If I didn't get to the gym, if I splurged on food... etc. This time I am not letting myself quit. It is very HARD to not let myself quit, but I am trying! "janice" <janice@london.uk> wrote in message > Although I've never got to the bottom of the reasons for my own > compusive eating behaviour one thing I know is that I tend to set too [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > janice > 233/184/133 Thanks PG, I suspected other people here would identify with what I said. I definitely think that a desire for perfection tends to go hand in hand with a tendency to be compulsive and obsessive. I am gradually learning to modify this as I get older but it's not always easy. janice 233/184/133 >Hey Janice.... > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >This time I am not letting myself quit. It is very HARD to not let myself >quit, but I am trying! Alien, your post about hiding food for planned binge is LIKE ME!! It's a 'good feeling' to KNOW the others who are like me:)) who can really say:I KNOW how you feel" >>>and mean it<<< I found this here and my heart isn't as heavy anymore:) Thanks for sharing what is deep inside ! glo > just for group points. And Jenn I DO know where people are comming from > with thier struggle with disorders. I am obsessive compulsive and have [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > them all day until they happen. Then cry and cry while I was planning my > next personal binge party. And I would wake up in the middle of the night, after a hearty dinner, and secretly snack on chocolate candy or whatever. I did not cry, as such, but I was ashamed of myself. i Hey Dally, I guess you told us. I guess we won't stand up to him. We'll just let Ig not treat us with respect or discretion in this newsgroup. It is just Ig being Ig... harmless little ignorant man. "Dally" <dally@myself.com> wrote in message Getting on his case for annoying you really says more > about you than it does him. > > Dally > Hey Dally, > > I guess you told us. I guess we won't stand up to him. We'll just let Ig > not treat us with respect or discretion in this newsgroup. It is just Ig > being Ig... harmless little ignorant man. Do you have a mental picture of me as a huge, dangerous, big man, with magic abilities to wreck lives of distant people? A person whom only the bravest usenet denizens, like yourself, can stand up to? Just curious. Personally, I like to think of myself as relatively harmless. i > "Dally" <dally@myself.com> wrote in message Getting on his case for > annoying you really says more >> about you than it does him. >> >> Dally > Do you have a mental picture of me as a huge, dangerous, big man, with > magic abilities to wreck lives of distant people? actually, i envision you as a REALLY SHORT guy, with an inflated ego. either stop changing your handle or teach me how to killfile you and your changing name permanently! >> In article <bcedneMPBYmDnaPdRVn-tA@comcast.com>, Perple Gyrl > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > either stop changing your handle or teach me how to killfile you and > your changing name permanently! try killfiling "ignoramus*" in outlook (note the star * after the word ignoramus. It is called a "wildcard". i thank you.............carry on! > >> In article <bcedneMPBYmDnaPdRVn-tA@comcast.com>, Perple Gyrl > > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > i I don't see him as a huge dangerous man... I too see him as a small minded, small stature and small other things trying to make himself feel better about himself by being a know-it-all in the group and toward several group members. The pen is mightier then the sword... > > Do you have a mental picture of me as a huge, dangerous, big man, > with [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > either stop changing your handle or teach me how to killfile you and > your changing name permanently! > I don't see him as a huge dangerous man... I too see him as a small minded, > small stature and small other things trying to make himself feel better > about himself by being a know-it-all in the group and toward several group > members. The pen is mightier then the sword... You *are* aware that he can hear you, right? Yes, you don't like him. I get that. But what is the point in filleting him with your mighty pen? You just make yourself sound so cruel and petty. In another post you also said: > He does not get it, will never get it, you are wasting your energy typing > this! It doesn't matter how many posts you or anyone else (including me) > can write telling him off. He will never stop being who he is.... Some > people are smart enough to evolve into a better human being and some aren't. > He is one of the ones that can't regardless of the amount of time or energy > people spend trying to make him "get it". If he just *is* something you don't like, why not just avoid him? He freely hands out info on how to killfile him. The entire world doesn't exist to your specifications. I'd much prefer people do what Jenn did, which is to call someone to task for some specific thing they did. Your across-the-board judgment that the man is hopelessly horrible is not useful, kind or likely to result in anything other than just making yourself look bad. IMO. No, you don't have to let him slide on attacks on you - feel free to confront him on his specific false assumptions. In fact, feel free to attack him all you want. Just be aware that people are watching and listening to you and forming their own judgments. Dally You mis-read that.... He wrote that I must see him as a big dangerous man and I meant that his pen is mightier then the sword in respect to some of his posts. No, I am not going into specifics. I have gone into detail on previous posts and I just don't have the energy or time to rehash and research everything that he does to annoy, insult or anger me here. I don't have him killfiled, but I do not respond to his posts directed to me or others here anymore. He has repeatedly questioned me on many of the things I've done and choices I've made. He also tries to act like an expert in things that he knows nothing about. Anyone is free to "google" back posts to see for themselves if they so desire. There is no point in wasting my time to confront him on specific mis-guided judgements. As I've said, he doesn't get it and never will get it... I do avoid him for the most part. I just don't like the way he's been responding to this thread. So what if I am "verbal" about it?? I am not trying to make anyone's mind up about him or myself. I am a very passionate person and I may speak up too much about things or people that bother me... but that is me and my personality. You can killfile me too if I bother you that much! "Dally" <dally@myself.com> wrote in message > I get that. But what is the point in filleting him with your mighty > pen? You just make yourself sound so cruel and petty. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Dally >> I don't see him as a huge dangerous man... I too see him as a small minded, >> small stature and small other things trying to make himself feel better [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > Dally I do not really mind her attacking me... i > I don't see him as a huge dangerous man... I too see him as a small minded, > small stature and small other things trying to make himself feel better Hm, I also see myself as a small man... And I will see you as a small woman too, when you lose 50 or so more pounds... So far, you are doing an excellent job losing your weight. i > about himself by being a know-it-all in the group and toward several group > members. The pen is mightier then the sword... [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >> either stop changing your handle or teach me how to killfile you and >> your changing name permanently! he is a man of his word................his directions on BLOCKING him have worked and i know longer have to read his abusive attitude toward others. Signatureread and post daily, it works! rosie the next best thing to being clever, is being able to quote someone who is. ........................................................m.p.poole > I don't see him as a huge dangerous man... I too see him as a small minded, > small stature and small other things trying to make himself feel better [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > either stop changing your handle or teach me how to killfile you and > > your changing name permanently! > Hey Dally, > > I guess you told us. I guess we won't stand up to him. We'll just let Ig > not treat us with respect or discretion in this newsgroup. It is just Ig > being Ig... harmless little ignorant man. Dally & Ignorant are quite a like in many ways. If you do not think and act exactly the way they do, you're wrong. Obstinance and arrogance. Humility would be a better trait. Martha > Dally & Ignorant are quite a like in many ways. If you do not think and act > exactly the way they do, you're wrong. Obstinance and arrogance. That's why I'm defending him. My Myers-Briggs type is solidly into the "J" range. My husband can walk down the street and see a house and think, "the paint flaking off that makes a pretty pattern." I'll see the same house and think, "they need to paint their house." I make judgments, I presume how others ought to behave... it's the way I'm wired. But the part you're missing, the part you're missing about Igor, is that I don't presume that anyone else CARES about my judgments or is required to FOLLOW my arrogant edicts. Just because *I* think they ought to paint their house doesn't mean I expect them to do it. I know they live in their own reality and maybe money is tight or they're fighting over which color or they haven't even noticed because they're so busy with a disabled kid inside... I expect that people know more about their own lives than I do. But it doesn't keep me from having opinions based on the facts I do know. > Humility would be a better trait. Would it? It's a fine trait - one I have in some measure - but doesn't play out well in a support situation, in my opinion. It really doesn't matter what trait you'd prefer, or what trait I'd prefer, for that matter. We are what we are. Value us for what we're good at and forgive us for what we're bad at. Or just flame away. Your choice. Dally > > Dally & Ignorant are quite a like in many ways. If you do not think > and act [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > Dally Certainly, you're right. I do value you for many reasons. I do think you are good at supporting others, and I've appreciated your posts over the long time I've been here. I don't value him for anything. Blind egotism is a huge fault. Just because one has lost weight doesn't make that person: 1) good looking, lots of skinny people are butt-ugly. 2) smarter 3) better; all of which he thinks he is. But hey, I have an opinion and like you, I'm not afraid to say it. : ) Martha PS. It's also a rough time for me, I think Bunky is finally at his end. : ( He's the toughest little kitty I've ever had and my best little buddy. (He's 15.5 years old and has cancer....) He may last a few more days, but not much more I think. >PS. It's also a rough time for me, I think Bunky is finally at his end. : >( He's the toughest little kitty I've ever had and my best little buddy. >(He's 15.5 years old and has cancer....) He may last a few more days, but >not much more I think. I'm so sorry, Martha. I know how tough it is. I am tearing up just reading this, thinking of my own babies who've passed on. Chris > >PS. It's also a rough time for me, I think Bunky is finally at his end. : > >( He's the toughest little kitty I've ever had and my best little buddy. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Chris Thanks, Chris. I just got home from work. I can't deal with people all day today. I'll call the vet as soon as she's open and take him up there one last time..... : ( Martha Janice, I understand you soooo well! I am such a bad binger and I'm better for now AGAIN! I'm stuck at 183 but I want to get out of the 180s so badly. I can't count my calories or it throws me into another binge. I cut back. I agree with trading obbsessons! I do this too! Crazy life but learning to manage is what works. glo I'm so sorry to hear this..... I've lost pets too and I know how heart breaking it can be... :( "MH" <bastzine@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:qJG% > PS. It's also a rough time for me, I think Bunky is finally at his end. : > ( He's the toughest little kitty I've ever had and my best little buddy. > (He's 15.5 years old and has cancer....) He may last a few more days, but > not much more I think. "MH" wrote > He's the toughest little kitty I've ever had and my best little buddy. Martha, I'm so sorry. BTDT SignatureWalking on . . . Laurie in Maine > Martha > > PS. It's also a rough time for me, I think Bunky is finally at his end. : > ( He's the toughest little kitty I've ever had and my best little buddy. > (He's 15.5 years old and has cancer....) He may last a few more days, but > not much more I think. ahhhhhhhhhhh martha! so sorry! you and bunky are in my thoughts and prayers! rosie > PS. It's also a rough time for me, I think Bunky is finally at his end. : > ( He's the toughest little kitty I've ever had and my best little buddy. > (He's 15.5 years old and has cancer....) He may last a few more days, but > not much more I think. i know i don't post here often but i do read and i almost always read your posts, Martha. i'm so sorry to hear your kitty-pal is ill. 15 years is a good long life but it's still so hard to let them go. i'll be thinking of you and Bunky. > > PS. It's also a rough time for me, I think Bunky is finally at his end. : [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > years is a good long life but it's still so hard to let them go. i'll > be thinking of you and Bunky. Thanks to you and everyone.... Martha >> PS. It's also a rough time for me, I think Bunky is finally at his end. : >> ( He's the toughest little kitty I've ever had and my best little buddy. >> (He's 15.5 years old and has cancer....) He may last a few more days, but >> not much more I think. Martha, I hope Bunky goes peacefully. I still cry about my cat who was put to sleep four years ago. The only thing that helps is knowing she was *so* spoiled whilst she was here. She had a great life. Best wishes Cellach > PS. It's also a rough time for me, I think Bunky is finally at his end. : > ( He's the toughest little kitty I've ever had and my best little buddy. > (He's 15.5 years old and has cancer....) He may last a few more days, but > not much more I think. Sorry about Bunky. Our thoughts (mine and my furballs') are with you both. Jenn >PS. It's also a rough time for me, I think Bunky is finally at his end. : >( He's the toughest little kitty I've ever had and my best little buddy. >(He's 15.5 years old and has cancer....) He may last a few more days, but >not much more I think. so sorry to hear this Martha - am thinking of you:) janice 233/184/133 > PS. It's also a rough time for me, I think Bunky is finally at his end. : > ( He's the toughest little kitty I've ever had and my best little buddy. > (He's 15.5 years old and has cancer....) He may last a few more days, but > not much more I think. So sorry to hear this, Martha. I lost my best fur-friend of 18 years a few years ago and she will always have a special place in my heart as I know Bunky will always have his place in yours. Take care, Tonia > > Dally & Ignorant are quite a like in many ways. If you do not think > and act [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > judgments, I presume how others ought to behave... it's the way I'm > wired. Dally, are you also a strong T type according to the MBTI? Have you read _Please Understand Me II_ by Keirsey? i >> > Dally & Ignorant are quite a like in many ways. If you do not think >>and act [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Dally, are you also a strong T type according to the MBTI? Yes. Strong E, too. But I'm in the middle for N/S. I test more as ENTJ these days but was ESTJ when younger. > Have you read _Please Understand Me II_ by Keirsey? I don't think I've read II. I've got the first one and read that a few times. In fact, I recently gave a copy to my daughter. Dally >>> > Dally & Ignorant are quite a like in many ways. If you do not think >>>and act [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Yes. Strong E, too. But I'm in the middle for N/S. I test more as > ENTJ these days but was ESTJ when younger. The N/S is a pretty continuous scale. There are S people, N people, all kinda of people in between and in extremes of the scale. >> Have you read _Please Understand Me II_ by Keirsey? > > I don't think I've read II. I've got the first one and read that a few > times. In fact, I recently gave a copy to my daughter. It is pretty good, even if you read the original book. I thought about your type yesterday, and my expectation was close to what you wrote. I thought that you were strong T and between N and S. Good grasp of reality, but a capacity to think, as well. i >>>> > Dally & Ignorant are quite a like in many ways. If you do not think >>>>and act [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > >i I'm an ENTP -- close to the middle on E & T, just about to the edge on N & P. Chris >>>>> > Dally & Ignorant are quite a like in many ways. If you do not think >>>>>and act [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > Chris ENTP is an interesting type. i >ENTP is an interesting type. It's an uncommon one among my acquaintance. I work in the IT business, and most of my colleagues are ISTJs. I have taken this test many times (including the long version that companies pay for) over the past 10 years or so and have never gotten a different result. This definitely seems to be what I am. Chris >>ENTP is an interesting type. > > It's an uncommon one among my acquaintance. I work in the IT > business, and most of my colleagues are ISTJs. Even computer programmers? > I have taken this test many times (including the long version that > companies pay for) over the past 10 years or so and have never gotten > a different result. This definitely seems to be what I am. This is a personality that is often successful, also, if you can keep your P side under control. i >>>ENTP is an interesting type. >> >> It's an uncommon one among my acquaintance. I work in the IT >> business, and most of my colleagues are ISTJs. > >Even computer programmers? Well, the ones who were in the group with us when we did the office testing were generally in this group, but I wouldn't think it characterized most programmers I've know. I used to mainly be a programmer but am now more in the technology strategy side of things. >This is a personality that is often successful, also, if you can keep >your P side under control. Well, I've been successful enough. A while back I decided I preferred to opt for being a technologist (they call me a "Senior Scientist") rather than continuing to try to climb the management ladder. I plan to retire in just a few years and am more interested in a job that gives me freedom to go to the gym when I want to and stuff like that. Chris >>>>ENTP is an interesting type. >>> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > characterized most programmers I've know. I used to mainly be a > programmer but am now more in the technology strategy side of things. What language did you use? >>This is a personality that is often successful, also, if you can keep >>your P side under control. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > to retire in just a few years and am more interested in a job that > gives me freedom to go to the gym when I want to and stuff like that. Which is quite sensible. Why bother with this corporate stuff when you will retire in a few years anyway . i >What language did you use? Lots, over the years. In some sort of order: various assembly languages (IBM 360, a couple of Univac machines, and several custom-built computers at Raytheon, including those in the Hawk and Patriot missiles), PL/1, Algol, Pascal, Fortran, C, Ada, a little COBOL, a little SNOBOL. I have experience with others too. I used to be an adjunct professor (for Lowell University in Boston and then for Virginia Tech down here), and one of the courses I taught was a programming languages survey course. (I have a little experience with some of the web authoring languages like html and java, but mostly just for personal fooling around.) >Which is quite sensible. Why bother with this corporate stuff when you >will retire in a few years anyway Exactly :-). Chris Forgot to add, I always test INTP and I am INTP to the core. By the way, of all types, INTPs are considered the worst spouses. i >>ENTP is an interesting type. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Chris Ignoramus17895 <ignoramus17895@NOSPAM.17895.invalid> wrote in news:c1td07 $ch$1@pita.alt.net: > Forgot to add, I always test INTP and I am INTP to the core. > > By the way, of all types, INTPs are considered the worst spouses. (Beginning with the sure knowledge I'll hate myself for even getting into this) Quoted from Please Understand Me: "INTPs take their mating relationship seriously and usually are faithful and devoted - albeit preoccupied at times." My husband is INTP and he sure isn't Iggy ;-) SignatureWalking on . . . Laurie in Maine 207/110 60 inches of attitude! Start: 2/02 Maintained since 2/03 > Ignoramus17895 <ignoramus17895@NOSPAM.17895.invalid> wrote in news:c1td07 > $ch$1@pita.alt.net: [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > mating relationship seriously and usually are faithful and devoted - > albeit preoccupied at times." You have to read between the lines:) > My husband is INTP and he sure isn't Iggy ;-) I did not think you were my wife posting, either... i Ignoramus17895 <ignoramus17895@NOSPAM.17895.invalid> wrote in news:c1udlf $pe2$0@pita.alt.net: > I did not think you were my wife posting, either... lolol SignatureWalking on . . . Laurie in Maine 207/110 60 inches of attitude! Start: 2/02 Maintained since 2/03 >>>>Dally, are you also a strong T type according to the MBTI? >>> >>>Yes. Strong E, too. But I'm in the middle for N/S. I test more as >>>ENTJ these days but was ESTJ when younger. > I'm an ENTP -- close to the middle on E & T, just about to the edge on > N & P. That makes you a nicer person than me. Being a J means I annoy people a lot who detect my judgments upon them even when I don't share them or give them much weight myself. I think that last part is key - the "please understand me" part: just because I have an opinion (and I *always do*) doesn't mean I hold it strongly. People who work harder to get an opinion on something don't always get that: I can change my mind about anything with more information. And I freely acknowledge that people ought not to make actions in response to my opinions, they know more about their situation than I do and I credit them with the ability to make better judgements for themselves. Dally >I'm an ENTP -- close to the middle on E & T, just about to the edge on >N & P. I'm an INTJ. beeswing > x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > beeswing I've done this a few times professionally and tend to come out as INTP or INTJ - probably depending on the mood I'm in when taking the test. The N & T scores have always been consistent and strong. The P/J tends to be borderline and easily goes one way or the other and that hasn't changed over time. The very first time I took the MBTI, I was dead even on the I/E score, but I seem to get higher I scores the older I get. Jenn turning into a cranky old introvert OK NOw I'm going to look for the book! You guys (Dally + i) have got my interest up and soon I'm looking for that book. glo:) off to the book store:)) > OK NOw I'm going to look for the book! You guys (Dally + i) have got my > interest up and soon I'm looking for that book. > > glo:) off to the book store:)) It is definitely a good read. You may find yourself looking at friends and strangers, trying to figure out their personality. i > > He does not get it, will never get it, you are wasting your energy typing > > this! > > Right. I'll say this even though it's stating the obvious -- he can be > a really a.s. I didn't really intend for this to become a bashing session. I just wanted to point out again that assumptions are being made about ME with very little actual facts and I don't appreciate it. > > It doesn't matter how many posts you or anyone else (including me) > > can write telling him off. He will never stop being who he is.... Some [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > everyone else that he cannot see that there is A LOT of room for > improvement. That's his problem. I just want him to stop talking about me like he knows anything about me. Jenn From: "JMA" <bjenniferb@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: a note to ignoranus Date: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 2:29 PM I didn't really intend for this to become a bashing session. I just wanted to point out again that assumptions are being made about ME with very little actual facts and I don't appreciate it. He makes ASSumptions about everyone. Nothing new here. > > It doesn't matter how many posts you or anyone else (including me) > > can write telling him off. He will never stop being who he is.... Some > > people are smart enough to evolve into a better human being and some aren't. > Yup, good point. Also, he's so busy thinking that he's better than > everyone else that he cannot see that there is A LOT of room for > improvement. That's his problem. I just want him to stop talking about me like he knows anything about me. Jenn No one appreciates that kind of thing. I certainly don't. I hope he stops and starts minding his own business. Martha You might as well tell him to stop thinking about Pink Elephants.... :) > That's his problem. I just want him to stop talking about me like he knows > anything about me. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Martha > No one appreciates that kind of thing. I certainly don't. I hope he stops > and starts minding his own business. Wait, now someone's bitching about conversation carried about something they posted in a _public_ forum? If your little ego can't handle people commenting on what you post - DON'T POST! SignatureScott Johnson / scottjohnson at kc dot rr dot com > > No one appreciates that kind of thing. I certainly don't. I hope he stops > > and starts minding his own business. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > If your little ego can't handle people commenting on what you post - > DON'T POST! Excuse me???? If you actually bothered to pay attention to this thread, I was commenting on how ignorant continues to push into people's private lives and always asks questions about things that are none of his business. Keep up, Scott. Martha > -- > Scott Johnson / scottjohnson at kc dot rr dot com >> > He does not get it, will never get it, you are wasting your energy > typing [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > to point out again that assumptions are being made about ME with very little > actual facts and I don't appreciate it. Let's see. Last fall, Jennifer made a few posts mentioned completion of her weight loss phase, and I made a few suggestions, and noted that some problems that she possibly hoped would go away, are not likely to go away. Then Jen became very upset, verbally abusive, started calling me all sorts of names etc. All because she thought that I was "patronising" to her. I have not called her any names ever, not even once. She, to the contrary, has been spouting insults in my address on a more or less constant basis. ("a.shole" seems to be a staple word in her vocabulary) She has, by now, recognized that I was right and that her mental/eating problems did not go away and that her weight maintenance did turn out to be quite a struggle, as I predicted. (it was not rocket science to predict that). Kudos to you Jennifer for still trying to maintain your weight loss. It is far from clear just how well you are maintaining, but it is clear that you are at least trying to, most of the time. That is good. Accidentally, at least according to your posts, you took better control of your eating after you recognized that your problems have not been cured, that is, after you actually started recognizing my earlier suggestions, with or without realizing that. You reported binging and even giving up around december, then you came back, and since then you posted a lot, but have not mentioned any recent binging or eating junk food that you binged on. I am very happy that if the impression conveyed by your recent posts that I have is correct, you are controlling your problems in ways not too dissimilar to what I suggested. I happened to point out a few contradictions in her recent posts. She supposedly ignores me, and yet responds even to posts to which no one followed up. She supposedly ignores her weight, and yet knows it. etc. She says that I know nothing about her personal situation, and yet she posts multiple posts on her personal situation every day. >> > It doesn't matter how many posts you or anyone else (including me) >> > can write telling him off. He will never stop being who he is.... Some [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > That's his problem. I just want him to stop talking about me like he knows > anything about me. I will consider killfiling you for a couple of months. i >>That's his problem. I just want him to stop talking about me like he knows >>anything about me. > > I will consider killfiling you for a couple of months. I think that's an excellent idea. Your entire post was about how right you are and how flawed she is. You've completely missed the point of a support group, where people can come with their flaws and get help in managing them. Yes, she's got weight issues! But I think you're not only way off base to presume that she's not handling them well, but you're endangering her very METHOD of handling them when you criticize her for getting support. You're doing more harm than good with your ham-handed attempts at "helping". Kill-file her for both your sakes. Dally You said it better then I obviously can with my generalized statements.... so "ditto", I second that motion!!! "Dally" <dally@myself.com> wrote in message > I think that's an excellent idea. Your entire post was about how right > you are and how flawed she is. You've completely missed the point of a [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Dally > >>That's his problem. I just want him to stop talking about me like he knows > >>anything about me. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Dally Thanks Dally for making another attempt at explaining things. I fear it won't help because there's always some justification for his behavior, but maybe you got through. I hope he finally does killfile me (permanently not just a few months) or at least maybe gets some control over his impulse to talk about me. Jenn >>>That's his problem. I just want him to stop talking about me like he knows >>>anything about me. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Dally I just killfiled Jen for a couple months (expiration time on the entry). i i guess it was too good to be true, because THERE YOU ARE AGAIN.................... my blocking you is not working, because of your deliberate name changing. Signatureread and post daily, it works! rosie the next best thing to being clever, is being able to quote someone who is. ........................................................m.p.poole > >>>That's his problem. I just want him to stop talking about me like he knows > >>>anything about me. [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > i > i guess it was too good to be true, because THERE YOU ARE > AGAIN.................... > my blocking you is not working, because of your deliberate name > changing. What are you using for a newsreader? Jenn i am using OUTLOOK EXPRESS and was looking for an "easier softer way" to keep ig blocked, but i will continue to block daily, due to his name change! Signatureread and post daily, it works! rosie the next best thing to being clever, is being able to quote someone who is. ........................................................m.p.poole > > i guess it was too good to be true, because THERE YOU ARE > > AGAIN.................... > > my blocking you is not working, because of your deliberate name > > changing. ........................................................m.p.poole > What are you using for a newsreader? > > Jenn > i am using OUTLOOK EXPRESS and was looking for an "easier softer > way" to keep ig blocked, but i will continue to block daily, due to > his name change! Go to Tools -> Message Rules -> News Click the New button Under the first section(Select Conditions...) check "Where the from line contains people" In the second section(Select the Actions...) check "Delete it" In the third section(Rule description) click on "contains people" Type in ignoramus and then click the Add button so that the display reads Where the from line contains 'ignoramus'. No wild card is needed. In the fourth section you can give the rule a name or leave it as New Rule #n Click OK HTH Jenn thanks for doing this jen........................... Signatureread and post daily, it works! rosie the next best thing to being clever, is being able to quote someone who is. ........................................................m.p.poole > > i am using OUTLOOK EXPRESS and was looking for an "easier softer > > way" to keep ig blocked, but i will continue to block daily, due to > > his name change! ........................................................m.p.poole > Go to Tools -> Message Rules -> News > Click the New button [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > HTH > Jenn > I realize I can't get you to stop talking about me as if you know a thing > about my personal situation. Just so you know, I'm not going to respond to > you. Other people may find your tactless ignorance charming or even > tolerable, but I don't. It would make me happier than anything if you could > just disregard my existence as I try to do with you. congrats to you JMA for taking control of your life and your recovery! rosie > > I realize I can't get you to stop talking about me as if you know > a thing [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > recovery! > rosie Thanks rosie - it's one day at a time. Jenn |
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