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Jayjay - 02 Mar 2004 15:11 GMT
Not sure where to start.   I'm going on my 3rd week back after
vacation.

While on vacation I exercised daily and tried to make wise choices.
(When you are on a cruise and travelling in hotels, its not always
easy).   I came back 5lbs heavier and lost 3 of those within the first
couple days.

Then I got hit with a harsh dose of reality, wrecked my car and back
to work to be slammed.   Right now I'm hating my job.   The political
environment has gotten real nasty lately.  It was getting bad before I
left and is getting worse.    I'm extremely frustrated.

Because of some whiplash after the accident, I took some time off
exercise to let the back mend up.   Then this past weekend we had to
recarpet 10 offices and your's truely was in moving all the computer
equipment (and desks and stuff) around so the employees didn't have to
do it themselves.   I get to do that again this coming weekend too,
for another 10 offices and large hallways.

Other than the moving of equipment, I haven't gotten much in the way
of exercise.   I'm exhausted all the time.   And with the frustrations
at work, I'm eating like a hound.   Not making wise choices in the
foods either.   I mean, I can't remember the last time I ordered
burger and fries from Chili's, but I did and ate every last morsel of
it too.

Needless to say, I've put back those 3lbs.  And if I don't get myself
under control, I'll put on more.

I'm famished, I'm graze eating, I can't seem to satisfy my appetite.
I'm also tired all the time, and can't get up the motivation to
workout.  I'm working lots of hours at work, come home to do my "home"
chores (cook, clean, etc) then colapse w/ a beer (light at least) in
front of the TV for about an hour before going to bed.  

Right now I'm posting because I'm hungry, but as its only 10am, its
not time for lunch yet.   I'm hoping a post and a jug of water will
stave off this need to graze and I can try to get myself back on track
again today.
Paul - 02 Mar 2004 16:10 GMT
Hi Jayjay,

 Wow it sounds like you're getting your exercise by moving computers.  That
can be a chore in itself.  I wouldn't beat yourself up for having that
burger and fries.  Try to give yourself a treat once in a while.

 I doubt that those three pounds are fat, it's probably mostly water and
can come off fairly easily.  I'm so sorry you were involved in an accident
and hurt your back too.  I'm glad it wasn't worse though.  I hope your back
gets to felling better, because a bad back can be debilitating.

 Do you have a fridge at work?  Take and apple, orange, broccoli,
cauliflower, and carrots with you and if you get hungry, munch on those
instead of bad foods.

 I'm sorry you're frustrated, there is nothing worse than having to deal
with irate folks at work and having that friction in your life.

Hope this helps,

Paul

> Not sure where to start.   I'm going on my 3rd week back after
> vacation.
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> stave off this need to graze and I can try to get myself back on track
> again today.
Jayjay - 02 Mar 2004 16:33 GMT
>Hi Jayjay,
>
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>
>Paul

Thanks for the encouragement, Paul.

Matter of fact, I do have a fridge at work.  My own personal fridge at
that.  Purchased after I'd had enough of people taking my food and
drinks without permission.    It sucked to go to the fridge knowing
you had lunch there and finding that someone else took it for
themselves.

I have had plenty of exercise with the moving.   (mind you, we deal in
21" crt - 65lb beasts).   Moving 10 offices on Friday, to move all
their stuff back on Saturday after the new carpet is in.   A few hours
of lugging crap every day.  

On the other hand, 2 days of lifting is nothing compared to my usual
routines.  

Although I like the idea of thinking its all water, but its probably
only 2 or 3lbs of water, the rest is weight.   Believe me, the
burger/fries isn't the only indescretion.  I have to keep all food out
of site, as I'll just graze constantly and will not make good choices.

I will go to the grocery at lunch and restock my fridge with healthier
choices.   The key then is to control the grazing.
Perple Gyrl - 03 Mar 2004 01:51 GMT
I have a mini fridge at work too and need to stock it again for the same
reason as you!  This past week - 10 days has been true and utter hell for me
and I need to turn to veggies, not candy...  :(

"Jayjay" <jjf_71@notmail.com> wrote in message
> Thanks for the encouragement, Paul.
>
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> I will go to the grocery at lunch and restock my fridge with healthier
> choices.   The key then is to control the grazing.
JMA - 03 Mar 2004 02:34 GMT
> I will go to the grocery at lunch and restock my fridge with healthier
> choices.   The key then is to control the grazing.

What about those bags of veggies you were eating before?  That's what is
getting me through the last few days.  I figured that even if I ate 2 or 3
bags in a day (which has yet to happen), it would do little or no damage to
the diet.  It's keeping the mouth busy and helping me avoid the goodies that
the woman who's husband owns a local bakery keeps bringing in.  Lucky us,
she brings in the day-old donuts and sweet rolls and leaves them in the
lounge which is conveniently located next to my room.  Two weeks a month I
could care less, then all of a sudden they start looking good.  By next week
they'll be calling my name.  This is when I send my students in to make my
photocopies and get my mail until the crap is all eaten.

I even skipped the chocolate today because I just felt like it would break
the dam.

Hope you get through this.

Jenn
Jayjay - 03 Mar 2004 13:40 GMT
>> I will go to the grocery at lunch and restock my fridge with healthier
>> choices.   The key then is to control the grazing.
>>
>What about those bags of veggies you were eating before?  That's what is
>getting me through the last few days.  

I bought a bag each of broccoli, carrots and cauliflower at the store
yesterday and they are now in my fridge waiting for when I get the
munchies today.   I'll mix them together and just eat my assorted
veggies.  

>I figured that even if I ate 2 or 3
>bags in a day (which has yet to happen), it would do little or no damage to
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>they'll be calling my name.  This is when I send my students in to make my
>photocopies and get my mail until the crap is all eaten.

Yeah, we have stuff like that - and the fact that the office manager
stocks the secretaries, receptionist and a few other places with candy
on a regular basis.    Her office is one we redid the carpet in over
the weekend and in cleaning her office she decided that it was time
that I started keeping the peppermint paddies in my office instead of
hers.   So, now they are sitting on the corner of my desk.    

I've hidden them from *my* site behind my plant.  But they face out
the door so that people can come in, take a mint and make them "go
away"...  

chocolate and candies are part of our "corporate culture"  Its like
coffee and sugar.  We also get something brought in for breakfast once
a week (donuts, bagels, danishes, muffins, etc) and birthdays once a
month w/ pies, cake, icecream.  

These are those types of things we have to learn to control on our
own.
Perple Gyrl - 03 Mar 2004 02:08 GMT
I don't get it either.... I've often suggested bringing in veggie and fruit
trays instead of the heavy carbs.  Most everyone agrees with me, but  no one
ever brings healthy food AND all of the heavy carb items do get eaten up.
Over 1/2 of my office is overweight and we all work in a high stress
environment.  My office mate and I each buy fruit every week and keep a
nicely stocked fruit bowl.

Why can't you just tell your boss you don't want candy in your office to
torture you ?????  Offer to put a fruit bowl there instead?

"Jayjay" <jjf_71@notmail.com> wrote in message

> Yeah, we have stuff like that - and the fact that the office manager
> stocks the secretaries, receptionist and a few other places with candy
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> These are those types of things we have to learn to control on our
> own.
jmk - 03 Mar 2004 14:02 GMT
> I don't get it either.... I've often suggested bringing in veggie and fruit
> trays instead of the heavy carbs.  Most everyone agrees with me, but  no one
> ever brings healthy food AND all of the heavy carb items do get eaten up.
> Over 1/2 of my office is overweight and we all work in a high stress
> environment.  My office mate and I each buy fruit every week and keep a
> nicely stocked fruit bowl.

Yeah, I end up being the party pooper who brings in healthier foods for
pot lucks.  Actually, next time we have a pot luck, I think that I will
have a conflict of some sort.  ;-)  The coworker that I have lunch with
is very accommodating (even when we did a holiday lunch with some others
we went somewhere that offered broiled fish, etc.).  We go out 2-4 times
a month and always to places that have something on the menu that fits
my WOE so I am a happy camper there.  Otherwise, I bring my lunch.  That
is good from a nutritional standpoint but no so good from a stress
standpoint because I end up eating at my desk.  It's nice to get a break
from the lovely surroundings, if you know what I mean.

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Jayjay - 03 Mar 2004 14:40 GMT
>I don't get it either.... I've often suggested bringing in veggie and fruit
>trays instead of the heavy carbs.  Most everyone agrees with me, but  no one
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>Why can't you just tell your boss you don't want candy in your office to
>torture you ?????  Offer to put a fruit bowl there instead?

Actually, its not torture, I am able to ignore the fact they are
there.   Oh, and its not my boss that puts them there, its my friend,
the office manager.  

Its part of the culture around here to have candy and food all over
the place.  And its one of those things that I take as a challenge to
learn to control eating of those sort of things.  

Its like going to parties and whatnot.   Just because I diet or try to
lose weight doesn't mean I shouldn't socialize because there will be
food and sugary, tastey products at the party.    You just have to
learn how to handle those situations.
Ignoramus3771 - 03 Mar 2004 14:55 GMT
> Actually, its not torture, I am able to ignore the fact they are
> there.   Oh, and its not my boss that puts them there, its my friend,
> the office manager.  

I agree.

Here at work, we have a pantry chock full of bagels, sweet tarts, and
other garbage, as well as free sodas.

The way I see it, more or less all food is "free" to me, in the
economic sense that all food is cheap relative to my income. Just
because I do not have to pay for those bagels, does not make them much
cheaper than buying them myself. What's $2 or whatever that buys a
dozen of frozen bagels? Nothing.

As part of my dieting, I had a realization that stuffing myself with
food just because either someone is providing it for free, or because
it is about to go bad, is silly and the damage far exceeds my
financial savings.

So, now, I am quite happy to see excess food go to the chicken feed
instead of my mouth, if that prevents me from overeating. It does not
lead to wasting food, as I simply buy in smaller quantities instead of
buying too much and overeating.

Life is full of challenges and seeing free food lying around is one of
those challenges. Or, seeing beautiful babes, some of whom are
actually paying attention to me, and not pursuing them because I am
married, is one more challenge. Temptations are everywhere and adult
people are supposed to be able to overcome them.

i
A Ross - 03 Mar 2004 18:10 GMT
> As part of my dieting, I had a realization that stuffing
> myself with
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> exceeds my
> financial savings.

That was (and sometimes stil is) one of my biggest
hangups. As an incurable penny-pincher, it drives me
nuts to let anything, especially food, go to waste. I
was one of those mom's finishing the food on the kids
plates, eating the last hunk of stale cake, chowing on
the leftover free food at the office--and what did it
gain me? An extra 50 pounds!

Now, I pretty much have no qualms about tossing
leftovers to the dog, feeding the birds all the stale
bread (instead of making bread pudding) and could care
less about that last hunk-o-cake sitting on the
counter. I figured if it doesn't go to waste, it'll go
to waist, and I'm not willing to go there again.

The only think that still bothers me is buffets--gotta
get my money's worth! So I don't go to buffets :-(.

Amy
168/117 (gaining muscle, I hope)
Ignoramus3771 - 03 Mar 2004 18:19 GMT
>> As part of my dieting, I had a realization that stuffing myself
>> with food just because either someone is providing it for free, or
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> That was (and sometimes stil is) one of my biggest
> hangups.

same here.

> As an incurable penny-pincher, it drives me
> nuts to let anything, especially food, go to waste.

ditto.

Now that we have chickens, the food that is bad, or leftovers etc,
does not really go to waste, but instead is fed to the chickens.

>I
> was one of those mom's finishing the food on the kids
> plates

I still do that. For example, tonight I will finish off hot oatmeal
cereal that my son did not finish yesterday. These days though, I
count it towards my daily food allowance.

>, eating the last hunk of stale cake, chowing on
> the leftover free food at the office--and what did it
> gain me? An extra 50 pounds!

Yep. You would probably pay 10x the cost of that food to get rid of
your 50 lbs magically.

> Now, I pretty much have no qualms about tossing
> leftovers to the dog, feeding the birds all the stale
> bread (instead of making bread pudding) and could care
> less about that last hunk-o-cake sitting on the
> counter. I figured if it doesn't go to waste, it'll go
> to waist, and I'm not willing to go there again.

good wording.

> The only think that still bothers me is buffets--gotta
> get my money's worth! So I don't go to buffets :-(.

At buffets, I usually stuff myself with vegetables like a pig.

> Amy
> 168/117 (gaining muscle, I hope)

223/173/180 (not gaining as much muscle as Iwant)
Dally - 03 Mar 2004 18:52 GMT
> That was (and sometimes stil is) one of my biggest
> hangups. As an incurable penny-pincher, it drives me
> nuts to let anything, especially food, go to waste.

I have a problem with this, too.  This morning I put two Eggo waffles in
the toaster for a kid who was running late and wouldn't have time to eat
breakfast.  She only wanted one.  I suddenly realized that I was going
to be left with an Eggo waffle and I desperately had to get it parcelled
out or I'd end up eating it myself.  I was able to hand it off to my
husband as he left.  Phew!

This is so stupid.  Why would it save money to eat the waffle?  It's a
sunk cost, i.e., already spent.  By eating it we incur MORE expense,
i.e., health care costs, rather than less.  But it's not a rational
response.

Dally
Ignoramus3771 - 03 Mar 2004 18:58 GMT
>> That was (and sometimes stil is) one of my biggest
>> hangups. As an incurable penny-pincher, it drives me
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> i.e., health care costs, rather than less.  But it's not a rational
> response.

A plausible argument against this is that if you eat "free" food (with
sunk cost), then you perhaps won't spend money on "non-free" food. You
eat that leftover eggo, and you therefore won't have to open a can of
sardines, which would wait for another time.

The problem is, obviously, that it is very costly to overeat, and
that's why even free food is not costless to eat.

i
Chris Braun - 03 Mar 2004 23:49 GMT
>> That was (and sometimes stil is) one of my biggest
>> hangups. As an incurable penny-pincher, it drives me
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>
>Dally

I don't have much experience with Eggo waffles, but would it be
possible to put it in the refrigerator and use it later?  That's my
usual approach to excess food that we end up with at home.  Sometimes
it doesn't get eaten, but that's ok.

Chris
JMA - 04 Mar 2004 03:39 GMT
> Its part of the culture around here to have candy and food all over
> the place.  And its one of those things that I take as a challenge to
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> food and sugary, tastey products at the party.    You just have to
> learn how to handle those situations.

Yes you do have to learn how to handle them.  However, last year I read a
report on a study that stated people who are or were overweight are 500
times more likely to have a physiological reaction to food triggers (sight
or smell) than someone who has never been overweight.

There are times I don't go to a party or an event if I'm feeling like I may
be too tempted or it would be too difficult for one reason or another (other
triggers present) to resist things I shouldn't have or be able to moderate.

Jenn
Perple Gyrl - 04 Mar 2004 04:19 GMT
Where can I find a copy of that report???
I believe it!

> Yes you do have to learn how to handle them.  However, last year I read a
> report on a study that stated people who are or were overweight are 500
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>
> Jenn
JMA - 04 Mar 2004 04:22 GMT
I'm sorry but I don't remember if it was a little blurb in a magazine or
something I saw on the web that just stuck with me.  If I come across it
again I will let you know.

Jenn

> Where can I find a copy of that report???
> I believe it!
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> >
> > Jenn
Dally - 03 Mar 2004 14:15 GMT
> chocolate and candies are part of our "corporate culture"  Its like
> coffee and sugar.  We also get something brought in for breakfast once
> a week (donuts, bagels, danishes, muffins, etc) and birthdays once a
> month w/ pies, cake, icecream.  

My last job (the one I was fired) had a very serious problem with this.
 The co-worker who didn't like me was morbidly obese and thought my
declining the baked goods she brought in to share (nearly every day!)
was me being rude and inhospitible.  She really thought that.  Our boss
was also morbidly obese.  I was weighing in at around 240 and on the
verge of joining them.  Instead, I joined the gym.

Voila, I didn't fit with corporate culture.  It wasn't that I was
against fat-acceptance - I wasn't - it was simply that I didn't choose
it for myself.  But every time I chose something healthier than my
morbidly obese co-worker she took it as personally insulting her.

My answer to this was to go someplace where I *did* fit with the
corporate culture.  I haven't had a box of donuts or coffee cake sitting
out at work for three years now.

Dally
Chris Braun - 03 Mar 2004 23:53 GMT
>My last job (the one I was fired) had a very serious problem with this.
>  The co-worker who didn't like me was morbidly obese and thought my
>declining the baked goods she brought in to share (nearly every day!)
>was me being rude and inhospitible.  She really thought that.  Our boss
>was also morbidly obese.  I was weighing in at around 240 and on the
>verge of joining them.  Instead, I joined the gym.

I'm fortunate to not work in this sort of environment.  People rarely
bring in food.  When they do, it is put in the coffee room, which is
shared by 50 or so people on our floor.  Things disappear fast, and
they're anonymous placed there and taken, so you're not hurting
anyone's feelings by not taking them.  It used to be that both my
immediate boss and his boss (our VP) were obese.  The VP now has lost
a whole bunch of weight, and my boss just yesterday got a serious
talking-to from his doctor and is now (he says) going to work on
weight loss.  Another friend just down the hall is somewhat overweight
but fit, and he and I celebrated our amazing weather today (mid 70s)
by going for a brisk 4-mile walk at lunch time.

Chris
262/155/ (holding in 152-165 weight class)
jmk - 02 Mar 2004 17:07 GMT
> Not sure where to start.   I'm going on my 3rd week back after
> vacation.
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> stave off this need to graze and I can try to get myself back on track
> again today.

JayJay,

I wish that I had something magical to say that would help you out,
however, all I can say is Hang In There!  I, too, have had the
"opportunity" to play computer moving man and it's not all that fun --
although you may be getting a decent workout :-/  As for being tired,
etc. I think that once you get back to your WOE and get back to your
pre-wedding WOL, that should help you out some.  I'll certainly be
sending some positive vibes your way!

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Dally - 02 Mar 2004 17:17 GMT
> I'm famished, I'm graze eating, I can't seem to satisfy my appetite.
> I'm also tired all the time, and can't get up the motivation to
> workout.  

Sounds pregnant to me.

Dally :-)
Jayjay - 02 Mar 2004 17:25 GMT
>> I'm famished, I'm graze eating, I can't seem to satisfy my appetite.
>> I'm also tired all the time, and can't get up the motivation to
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>
>Dally :-)

suddup biotch!

:-)

Nope, we've taken care of that, not gonna happen here.

I hate office politics!!!   And the ones I'm dealing with are not
playing in my favor well either.
Dally - 02 Mar 2004 20:59 GMT
> I hate office politics!!!   And the ones I'm dealing with are not
> playing in my favor well either.

When things get tough like that I tend to take the attitude that they
wouldn't have to pay me if it were easy.  In other words, this is what
you do for money, not for self-actualization.  My real life is outside
the office.  I go to work to get the job done.

This sort of pyschic divestiture has helped me sometimes, but sometimes
it catches me up short.  I was in a job once where one of my co-workers
hated me.  I didn't much care for her but decided it didn't matter, I
didn't *have* to be friends with everyone.  I was there to do the job
and I just did the job.

Well, I got fired.  Turns out I was supposed to make nice with my
co-workers.  Being neutral wasn't good enough.  That rather surprised
me.  But in the end it was a great thing: I didn't want to have to make
friends with her and leaving the company worked out better for me than
staying and being sucked into her pathology would have.

Dally (who started her own successful business after being fired)
Ignoramus29721 - 02 Mar 2004 21:20 GMT
>> I hate office politics!!!   And the ones I'm dealing with are not
>> playing in my favor well either.
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>
> Dally (who started her own successful business after being fired)

I had exactly the opposite experience. I hated one coworker and he
quit by himself. I got a $10k raise.

Like you, I do not feel like being friends with everyone is a
worthwhile goal. That said, at work, I am in decent relationship with
most people, mostly because they are all quite nice and reasonable.

i
jmk - 03 Mar 2004 12:38 GMT
 had exactly the opposite experience. I hated one coworker and he
> quit by himself. I got a $10k raise.
>
> Like you, I do not feel like being friends with everyone is a
> worthwhile goal. That said, at work, I am in decent relationship with
> most people, mostly because they are all quite nice and reasonable.

Actually, I agree with you on this one.  We have a problem with some of
our students -- they think that we all need to be best friends.  No, we
just need to get along.  OTOH, it's nice to have a few friends at work
that you can have lunch with, vent to, etc.

Now for tips on getting the bad ones to quit...  ;-)
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Perple Gyrl - 03 Mar 2004 01:53 GMT
good luck with your new endeavor!

"Dally" <dally@myself.com> wrote in message

> Dally (who started her own successful business after being fired)
Dally - 03 Mar 2004 14:08 GMT
>  good luck with your new endeavor!
>
> "Dally" <dally@myself.com> wrote in message
>
>>Dally (who started her own successful business after being fired)

Thanks!  But it's not a *new* endeavor.  I'm in my third year since I
started full-time at this.  It just gets more successful each year.

It's interesting being on a weight-loss journey.  My first year I
weighed around 240 pounds.  The second year I had lost 30 pounds and
everyone exclaimed about it (I only see most of my clients once a year)
and this year I've lost another 30.  I'm heading out of my comfort zone:
if I lose another 30 I'll be too sexy for my job!  (I look younger every
year, too, and most of my clients prefer to see me as wise rather than
youthful.)

Dally
Perple Gyrl - 03 Mar 2004 02:34 GMT
Oops.. I misunderstood your post, sorry!!  Too much speed reading to get
caught up!

"Dally" <dally@myself.com> wrote in message news:c24ot0$1pmce2
> Thanks!  But it's not a *new* endeavor.  I'm in my third year since I
> started full-time at this.  It just gets more successful each year.
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>
> Dally
Ignoramus3771 - 03 Mar 2004 14:40 GMT
>>  good luck with your new endeavor!
>>
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>
> Dally

try padding yourself with some pillows for customer visits...

i
Chris Braun - 03 Mar 2004 23:55 GMT
>try padding yourself with some pillows for customer visits...

I've tended to think of you as lacking a sense of humor, Iggy, but
this is cute :-)

Chris
Ignoramus3771 - 04 Mar 2004 00:09 GMT
>>try padding yourself with some pillows for customer visits...
>
> I've tended to think of you as lacking a sense of humor, Iggy, but
> this is cute :-)
>
> Chris

Sense of humor is very culturally dependent... But yes, I have certain
issues with y sense of humor, independent of my cultural background.

i
JMA - 03 Mar 2004 02:53 GMT
> This sort of pyschic divestiture has helped me sometimes, but sometimes
> it catches me up short.  I was in a job once where one of my co-workers
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>
> Dally (who started her own successful business after being fired)

I don't like everyone I work with, but I hide it well.  I don't act like a
phony, but I am pleasant enough and generally quiet.  When I quit my last
corporate job (1994) I made a comment to a friend about someone in the
office and the friend was stunned because no one had an inkling that I
didn't like this person.

Overall I think the school environment is worse because it is full of lots
of touchy-feely "instant friendship" types, buckets of gossip, and
"tattletales" who prefer to go running to the principal rather than deal
with problems directly.  Fortunately I've fallen in with a group of
grown-ups who understand that we're there for the kids first.

I still do a pretty good job of being neutral with those I don't care for
and it goes over well.  There are a few people who go whine to the
superintendent when I tell them I can't drop everything and bequeath their
every whim and wish on demand, but he tells them that he's found my
judgement to be sound and finds me a very reasonable person to deal with.
They only do it once when they realize I will happily forward their requests
on to him for signature if they continue to insist I drop everything (ie
stop teaching my class) to unblock a website so they can shop for their
children's clothes online or cruise the Yahoo personals (true story).

Jenn
who never turns down a reasonable request, even in the middle of class
determined - 03 Mar 2004 03:41 GMT
> > This sort of pyschic divestiture has helped me sometimes, but sometimes
> > it catches me up short.  I was in a job once where one of my co-workers
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> Jenn
> who never turns down a reasonable request, even in the middle of class

Jenn, you sound very well-balanced and thick-skinned.  Those are great
traits.  Traits that I don't possess.  I'm young and tempestuous, so
hopefully I'll grow out of that?  I bite my tongue alot, but I can only go
so far!

det
JMA - 03 Mar 2004 05:28 GMT
> Jenn, you sound very well-balanced and thick-skinned.  Those are great
> traits.  Traits that I don't possess.  I'm young and tempestuous, so
> hopefully I'll grow out of that?  I bite my tongue alot, but I can only go
> so far!
>
> det

I used to be in a miserable work situation with harassment, threats, the
whole 9 yards and I was literally sick over it.  My yoga instructor at the
time spent a lot of time with me on how to deal and to realize what is in my
control and what isn't.  He helped me to stop trying to fight things that
really aren't my battles as I have no real ability to affect the outcome.  I
just stopped fighting with the situation and the people in it and to sum it
up incorrectly let karma deal with it.  I relaxed, backed off completely,
and ended up on top when the dust settled.  I'm finding that the universe
sort of does work things out in the end.

Another thing that keeps me in control at work regardless of the situation
is that I'm usually in the presence of 15-20 sets of impressionable young
eyes and ears that I'm trying to set a good example for.  I make the best
effort to think about if they were my kids and what I'd like them to see
with regards to professionalism.  Since I teach computer science and
english, I talk about careers a lot and the way you present yourself
(speaking and writing) and its effect on how others see you.

I've become very good at a few things over the years: letting one thing come
out of my mouth while another thing runs through my mind, making people
laugh - even at their own expense, and complete honesty.  I'm also nearly
deaf in one ear and a little hard of hearing in the other one so it takes
effort for me to actively listen to someone. There are times I just choose
not to make the effort, but smile, nod, and make eye contact and go on my me
rry way when the noise (their end of the conversation) stops :)  Most people
just think I'm quiet and introspective.

Jenn
MH - 03 Mar 2004 13:19 GMT
> > This sort of pyschic divestiture has helped me sometimes, but sometimes
> > it catches me up short.  I was in a job once where one of my co-workers
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> I don't like everyone I work with, but I hide it well.  I don't act like a
> phony, but I am pleasant enough and generally quiet.

That's the way people should act when working together. Who wants to work
with someone nasty? I mean, really. We all have to get along at work, so why
not at least try? One difficult person can ruin one whole office, even oen
with a lot of people. Sure, there are lots of people I would never talk with
at work outside of the work situation, but that doesn't mean I don't try to
be nice and pleasant to everyone. It makes it easier for everyone including
myself.

Martha
Jayjay - 03 Mar 2004 13:56 GMT
>That's the way people should act when working together. Who wants to work
>with someone nasty? I mean, really. We all have to get along at work, so why
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>
>Martha

In my current situation the problems hav nothing to do with people who
don't like each other.   I get along well (at least on the surface)
with all the players.  

I'm dealing with things like - I need certain stuff from other people
to get my job done, yet those other people put things off constantly,
and for YEARS on end.  Yet when it comes down to my deadlines my boss
gets on my case about my deadlines not being met, and when I try to
explain that its because of these other people not giving me what they
have to give for me to get the job done.  (mind you, these people do
not work for me, and are in different departments all together)    Yet
my boss's reaction is "do what it takes to get it done" ...  Yet he's
head of the company and is actually over both these people I need to
get things from.   He's the one that I should be able to go to for
assistence to get what I need out of these other people when they
aren't giving me what I need.  Yet when I go to him he tells me he's
fed up and not going to deal with it any more.

He does go to these other people and they come up with excuses that
put them in a good light.   They twist their stories that they tell to
him.   For me, I know the truth but then you get into the "tattle
tale" he said/she said crap...
MH - 04 Mar 2004 01:23 GMT
> >That's the way people should act when working together. Who wants to work
> >with someone nasty? I mean, really. We all have to get along at work, so why
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> him.   For me, I know the truth but then you get into the "tattle
> tale" he said/she said crap...

Yeah, management problems....my immediate boss is really good, but her boss,
the regional manager has no spine, so he lets other branches get away with
things we can't, and it's not fair at all. He says, "so what do you expect
me to do?" Uh, be a MANAGER...duh...

Martha
JMA - 03 Mar 2004 02:36 GMT
> I hate office politics!!!   And the ones I'm dealing with are not
> playing in my favor well either.

Here's another me too post.  Fortunately the politics in my workplace seem
to fall in my favor, especially the more I stay out of them.  It doesn't
make it any less stressful.

Jenn
determined - 02 Mar 2004 17:33 GMT
> Not sure where to start.   I'm going on my 3rd week back after
> vacation.
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> stave off this need to graze and I can try to get myself back on track
> again today.

I'd like to say, "I know how you feel".  Somehow I don't think that's going
to help...  Lately, with my situation, I've struggled for motivation also.
I bought a pedometer a couple weeks ago, and do at least 2 miles a day, and
that gives me something "measurable".  Right now, that's all the structure I
can handle.  My eating habits haven't been good, I've taken to grazing also.
I finally just eliminated everything in the house that was junk - and I'm
all stocked up on low carb rtd stuff and healthy snacks, because I don't
feel like cooking...  Sometimes life gets so heavy, it's all you can do to
get from one day to the next.  The thing is, that stuff usually passes, and
things get back to normal.  (whatever the hell THAT is).  So right now I'm
just trying to maintain a good attitude for my family, and take care of my
needs on a basic level.  I'm sure you'll get back onto an even keel soon,
and when things level out, you'll be able to jump back on the wagon.  Hang
in there,

det
Perple Gyrl - 03 Mar 2004 01:53 GMT
Hey I am kinda going thru the same thing.... the only thing I can suggest is
to do it day by day.  If you mess up, don't consider it a total waste.  Try
again tomorrow... that is what I am doing.  Maybe it will work better for
you then it is for me... :)

> Not sure where to start.   I'm going on my 3rd week back after
> vacation.
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> stave off this need to graze and I can try to get myself back on track
> again today.
 
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